[WSG] XHTML 2.0
Hello everyone! I was reading the changes from XHTML 1 to 2, and saw many intereseting and improved things. I was surprised when I saw (despite beign very different ways of coding) the backwards copatibility, at http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml2-20060726/introduction.html#backCompat. There it says that almost 95% of the browsers can handle XHTML 2.0, since it is an XML based anguage and those browsers are also XML based. Neat! So, what do you think? Can we just start using these improvements? Thanks in advance! Best regards; Eugenio. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
On 8/11/06, TuteC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There it says that almost 95% of the browsers can handle XHTML 2.0, since it is an XML based anguage and those browsers are also XML based. Neat! So, what do you think? Can we just start using these improvements? I'd say no for the time being, unless you're building for a controlled environment like an intranet. The other 5% of browsers will most likely fail horribly, crashing, asking to save the document, etc. I'd imagine Google etc. would ignore the semantic elements of XHTML2, aswell. I did some basic research into browser support for XML+CSS a while back which may be of interest: http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/xml_css/ I could get started on the lack of browser support for even XHTML1.1, but I won't :) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] i want my svg
Matthew Cruickshank wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you for the definitive statement. The blinked text was also in my second post. now that you understand what i am trying to do, is it possible? I still don't understand; you have conflicting requirements. Without putting text in the SVG itself you will get scrollbars at some resolutions which you don't want, but you also don't want to put text in the SVG. So please produce half-a-dozen mockups with different window-sizes and font-sizes to help explain how you wish the text and background to size in relation to each other, and please also lobby government to make helping some dude on a mailing list worthy of a knighthood. actually, all i was trying to do was see if i could use z-indexing to put the text over the graphic. i was not really trying for sizing of the graphic and text. once i had the z-indexing working in all of the browsers, then i would work on the scaling aspect. there is much i need to learn about working with this format. i thank you for the time you spent on this issue with me. you'll always be a knight in my book. dwain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
TuteC wrote: I was reading the changes from XHTML 1 to 2, and saw many intereseting and improved things. I was surprised when I saw (despite beign very different ways of coding) the backwards copatibility, at http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml2-20060726/introduction.html#backCompat. Don't believe it. XHTML 2 is supported as much in current browsers, as would some FooML language that you've made up yourself. There it says that almost 95% of the browsers can handle XHTML 2.0, But, even all the browsers that currently support XHTML 1.x, have zero real support for XHTML 2. Every single element in XHTML 2 is in a different namespace, and even though many share the same tag name, they are completely different elements. In other words, xhtml1:p/ is a completely different element from xhtml2:p/. since it is an XML based anguage and those browsers are also XML based. Neat! That's somewhat true, but all you can do is is attach a stylesheet to it using ?xml-stylesheet?. That's fine for handling basic styling issues, but when it comes to things that require knowledge of the semantics to function, you're screwed. Core attributes like href and src, which are usable on almost every single element in XHTML 2, will not function; not even on the a, img or object elements (because of the namespace issue). There are ways you could work around it with CSS and/or XBL. There is an experimental page that makes use of such techniques, but take a look at the source and you'll see just how much effort it takes, for such little benefit, and, besides that, support is still very limited. http://w3future.com/weblog/gems/xhtml2.xml So, what do you think? Can we just start using these improvements? No. It takes far too much effort to simulate XHTML 2 support in selected current browsers, for zero benefit. You'd also have to consider accessibility issues, particularly screen readers. Without known semantics, screen readers won't be able to read the text sensibly. e.g. They won't recognise headings or paragraph boundaries, or much else for that matter. Then you've still got many other UAs to consider, like mobiles, search engines, etc. IMHO, XHTML 2 is effectively irrelevant these days. The work on (X)HTML 5 from the WHATWG looks a lot more promising, with far more features and much better backwards compatibility. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
I recently discovered this article/thread: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393445 A good read... and touches on your question a bit: What about XHTML 2.0? What about it? It shows no signs of becoming even a candidate recommendation any time soon. We don't know what it will contain, but it seems as if it is not going to be backwards compatible with XHTML 1.0. The author seems to be very knowledgeable when it comes to XHTML. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
Well, thank you all very much! I didn´t know you could do something like !DOCTYPE html [ !ATTLIST section id ID #IMPLIED !ATTLIST h id ID #IMPLIED !ATTLIST div id ID #IMPLIED !ATTLIST nl id ID #IMPLIED ] there in the document. Cheers! Eugenio. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
This was for me REALLY useful. http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393445. Many basic things which are not taken seriously (at least by me). Regards and thank you for the information; Eugenio. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] xhtm 1.1 and Ruby annotations
Thanks to Eugenio, I was reading the article from sitepoint forum. XHTML 1.1 deprecates the lang attribute (in favour of xml:lang) and also the name attribute for a and map tags. It also adds a number of elements for Ruby annotations. I have a question about XHTM 1.1, Ruby annotations and validation. I do CSS coding for a company that its clients' sites are developed in Ruby. Every time I receive a job, I am curious why they used XHTML 1.1 - I asked once but it was never answered. Now this part is clear with the article I'd just read. All jobs I received, the markup are full of errors (xhtml and html all mixed up), fixing the validation errors really isn't part of my job but I try my best to clean up as much as possible (no pay because I was not asked to do it) however sometimes it's just not possible to help fixing it because almost every page uses iframe that the code is generated from server. I learned that XML is about well-formness and with XTHML, no markup error should exist or browsers give parsing errors - those sites are served with XML and XHTML 1.1, but none of the sites I visited ever broken. Why? tee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] xhtm 1.1 and Ruby annotations
Tee G. Peng wrote: Thanks to Eugenio, I was reading the article from sitepoint forum. XHTML 1.1 deprecates the lang attribute (in favour of xml:lang) and also the name attribute for a and map tags. It also adds a number of elements for Ruby annotations. I have a question about XHTM 1.1, Ruby annotations and validation. I do CSS coding for a company that its clients' sites are developed in Ruby. Every time I receive a job, I am curious why they used XHTML 1.1 - I asked once but it was never answered. Now this part is clear with the article I'd just read. All jobs I received, the markup are full of errors (xhtml and html all mixed up), fixing the validation errors really isn't part of my job but I try my best to clean up as much as possible (no pay because I was not asked to do it) however sometimes it's just not possible to help fixing it because almost every page uses iframe that the code is generated from server. I learned that XML is about well-formness and with XTHML, no markup error should exist or browsers give parsing errors - those sites are served with XML and XHTML 1.1, but none of the sites I visited ever broken. Why? tee Two different meanings of the word Ruby: its clients' sites are developed in Ruby is the case of the Ruby programming language [1]. It also adds a number of elements for Ruby annotations is the case of special characters use to annotate ideographic languages [2]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_programming_language [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_character It sounds like they don't actually understand what XHTML is or how to produce it, they just want to believe they're using the latest cool thing. HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
TuteC wrote: Well, thank you all very much! I didn´t know you could do something like !DOCTYPE html [ !ATTLIST section id ID #IMPLIED !ATTLIST h id ID #IMPLIED !ATTLIST div id ID #IMPLIED !ATTLIST nl id ID #IMPLIED ] there in the document. It's called an 'internal subset'. Theoretically, you could do the same thing in HTML, since it's a valid SGML construct. But, although it's supported in XML, support for it in HTML is virtually non-existent and, in current browsers, results in ] being output as content. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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RegardsSteve WhiteWebsdezined.comPO Box 931Paris, IL 61944Tel No: (217) 686-4115www.websdezined.com -Original Message-From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:29 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgFrom: "del usr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:55:26 +1000Subject: Peek-a-boo Bug i thinkI seem to be getting a peek-a-boo type bug (but in firefox 1.5 linux) with this web template http://delusr.bigpondhosting.com/kam/. So im told i cannot comfirm this but I was informed by a reliable source. I have also noticed that with in IE v6 on a MS platform using XP SP2 there is an issue relating to the hyperlinks on the product images. There should be a red dashed border on the mouse over.This site has been tested with Firefox 1.5.0.6 and Opera 8.54 and works well in both on a MS platform using windows XP SP2.Thanks in advance.DelFrom: Aijaz Abbas [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT)Subject: unsubscribe me pleasePierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 August 2006 13:50, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just having some trouble with validating I keep getting the report this report about the maxlength property: Error Line 69 column 100: there is no attribute "maxlength". ...id="good-turn-description" maxlength="50" title="Tell us about it"/ it"/ And my doctype is: "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" As far as I can see, maxlength is a valid XHTML strict attribute, can anyone tell me why this isn't validating?! Cheers, PaulMaybe instead of maxlength="50" / :)Cheers-- Pierre-Henri Lavigne[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From: "Daniel Lewis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:50:03 +0100Subject: Wordpress RDFa pluginHello, I am quite new to the WSG so Hello All.This is an email just to let you know that I have started to spec outand develop a plugin/theme for Wordpress so that it can autogenerateRDFa. I have initially called it WP_RDFa seemed an adequate name.If any of you haven't heard of RDFa, it is the W3Cs syntax for addingmetadata (in the form of RDF).Heres the syntax doc:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa-syntaxHeres the primer for rdfa:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primerThe address to find details about this is here:http://vanirsystems.co.uk/wprdfa/This site is actually a Wordpress blog, so if all goes well I will betesting it there too.The very very initial spec is on there already. Its not perfect andwill be editing it soon. I would like ideas on the project, so feelfree to leave comments and I will adapt the spec accordingly.I look forward to working with you guys further.Thanks,Daniel.Daniel Lewis* Vanir Systems* Web development: http://www.vanirsystems.com/* Vanir Systems Projects: http://www.vanirsystems.co.uk/From: "Dani Nordin | 401.787.5178" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:28:40 -0400Subject: Re: [WSG] unsubscribe me pleaseHi Al jaz,In order to unsubscribe to the list, you actually have to go to the site, l ogin and hit unsubscribe on the home page.Cheers,Dani~~Dani Nordinthe zen kitchenGraphic and web design with a touch of green 1 Fitchburg Street, B160Somerville, MA 02143401.787.5178 mobileSee a full portfolio and sign up for our monthly newsletterthoughts on design, life, food and other trivialitiesat http://www.tzk-de sign.comRead our notes from the zen kitchenweekly(ish) articleson design, the environment, and life as a business owner - at http://zenkitchen.blogs pot.comOn 8/10/06 11:40 AM, "Aijaz Abbas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n bsp; On Thursday 10 August 2006 13:50, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just having some trouble with validating I keep getting the report thi s report about the maxlength property: Error Line 69 column 100: there is no attribute "maxlength". ...id="good-turn-description" maxlength="50" title ="Tell us about it"/ rows="5" id="description" maxlength="50" title="Tell us about it"/ And my doctype is: "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" As far as I can see, maxlength is a valid XHTML strict attribute, can BR anyone tell me why this isn't validating?! Cheers, PaulMaybe instead of maxlength="50" / :)CheersFrom: Matthew Cruickshank [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:25:57 +1200Subject: Re: [WSG] i want my svg[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you for
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Now that's hillarious11On 8/11/06, Steve White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RegardsSteve WhiteWebsdezined.com PO Box 931Paris, IL 61944Tel No: (217) 686-4115www.websdezined.com -Original Message-From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:29 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgFrom: del usr [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:55:26 +1000Subject: Peek-a-boo Bug i thinkI seem to be getting a peek-a-boo type bug (but in firefox 1.5 linux) with this web template http://delusr.bigpondhosting.com/kam/ . So im told i cannot comfirm this but I was informed by a reliable source. I have also noticed that with in IE v6 on a MS platform using XP SP2 there is an issue relating to the hyperlinks on the product images. There should be a red dashed border on the mouse over.This site has been tested with Firefox 1.5.0.6 and Opera 8.54 and works well in both on a MS platform using windows XP SP2.Thanks in advance.DelFrom: Aijaz Abbas [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT)Subject: unsubscribe me pleasePierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 August 2006 13:50, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just having some trouble with validating I keep getting the report this report about the maxlength property: Error Line 69 column 100: there is no attribute maxlength. ...id=good-turn-description maxlength=50 title=Tell us about it/ rows=5 id=description maxlength=50 title=Tell us about it/ And my doctype is: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd As far as I can see, maxlength is a valid XHTML strict attribute, can anyone tell me why this isn't validating?! Cheers, PaulMaybe instead of maxlength=50 / :)Cheers-- Pierre-Henri Lavigne[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From: Daniel Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:50:03 +0100Subject: Wordpress RDFa pluginHello, I am quite new to the WSG so Hello All.This is an email just to let you know that I have started to spec outand develop a plugin/theme for Wordpress so that it can autogenerateRDFa. I have initially called it WP_RDFa seemed an adequate name.If any of you haven't heard of RDFa, it is the W3Cs syntax for addingmetadata (in the form of RDF).Heres the syntax doc:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2005-rdfa-syntax Heres the primer for rdfa:http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/HTML/2006-04-24-rdfa-primer The address to find details about this is here:http://vanirsystems.co.uk/wprdfa/This site is actually a Wordpress blog, so if all goes well I will betesting it there too.The very very initial spec is on there already. Its not perfect andwill be editing it soon. I would like ideas on the project, so feelfree to leave comments and I will adapt the spec accordingly.I look forward to working with you guys further.Thanks,Daniel.Daniel Lewis* Vanir Systems* Web development: http://www.vanirsystems.com/* Vanir Systems Projects: http://www.vanirsystems.co.uk/From: Dani Nordin | 401.787.5178 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:28:40 -0400Subject: Re: [WSG] unsubscribe me pleaseHi Al jaz,In order to unsubscribe to the list, you actually have to go to the site, l ogin and hit "unsubscribe" on the home page.Cheers,Dani~~Dani Nordinthe zen kitchenGraphic and web design with a touch of green 1 Fitchburg Street, B160Somerville, MA 02143401.787.5178 mobileSee a full portfolio and sign up for our monthly newsletter—thoughts on design, life, food and other trivialities—at http://www.tzk-de sign.com Read our notes from the zen kitchen—weekly(ish) articleson design, the environment, and life as a business owner - at http://zenkitchen.blogs pot.comOn 8/10/06 11:40 AM, Aijaz Abbas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wro te: Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n bsp; On Thursday 10 August 2006 13:50, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just having some trouble with validating I keep getting the report thi s report about the maxlength property: Error Line 69 column 100: there is no attribute maxlength. ...id=good-turn-description maxlength=50 title =Tell us about it/ rows=5 id=description maxlength=50 title=Tell us about it/ And my doctype is: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd As far as I can see, maxlength is a valid XHTML strict attribute, can BR anyone tell me why this isn't validating?! Cheers, PaulMaybe instead of maxlength=50 / :)CheersFrom: Matthew
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Re: [WSG] Branding - Accessible, Unobtrusive and Semantic
Richard Czeiger wrote: Hi all :o) Just thought I'd throw a bit of code out there and see if anyone thinks it's useful.. Unobtrusive Semantic Branding http://www.grafx.com.au/dik/branding.html Basically it allows you to dynamically style a company's brand name every time it appears on a web page as text. All you have to do it wrap it in a span with a class name (I've used brand) and away we go :o) You can style your branded company name any way you like and it works on all elements, including those with existing (multiple) class names. Check it out and if you find any bugs, please let me know. Cheers :o) Richard Maybe it is a setting on my end? Not working for me: Opera Version9.01 Build8552 PlatformWin32 SystemWindows XP and I default to fuchsia background-color. Best, ~dL ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Branding - Accessible, Unobtrusive and Semantic
That is a nice little chunk of code. I might find that useful in the near
future!
I salute thee.
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Thanks to Lindsay's comments, the hover color issues is resolved - it
requires a background value (even one of inherit).
R :o)
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On 8/11/06, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all :o)
Just thought I'd throw a bit of code out there and see if anyone thinks
it's
useful..
Unobtrusive Semantic Branding
http://www.grafx.com.au/dik/branding.html
Hi Richard,
Interesting bit of code, I could've used something like this a few
years ago when we had a client that had part of their company name
bolded insisted on it following brand everywhere :)
btw, I got the colours to change on the hover state using this CSS:
a.brand:hover .b1 { color: #f00; }
a.brand:hover .b2 { color: #0f0; }
a.brand:hover .b3 { color: #00f; }
a.brand:hover .b4 { color: #00e; }
a.brand:hover .b5 { color: #00d; }
a.brand:hover .b6 { color: #00c; }
a.brand:hover .b7 { color: #00b; }
a.brand:hover .b8 { color: #00a; }
Is that what you were intending?
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STOP PLEASE STOP, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...On 8/11/06, mir ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!!hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- wayneo ://What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglasWhat I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] Branding - Accessible, Unobtrusive and Semantic
Maybe it is a setting on my end? Not working for me: Opera Version9.01 Build8552 PlatformWin32 SystemWindows XP and I default to fuchsia background-color. Best, ~dL It doesn't work on Opera for me, either. But, it works great in FF! :) Joseph Bernhardt Web Applications Developer Incomprehensibilities, Inc. 406.587.4875 - Office 406.570.2004 - Cellular [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] unsubscribe
Is this a joke? Sometimes its hard to portray sarcasm in an email Joseph Bernhardt Web Applications Developer Incomprehensibilities, Inc. 406.587.4875 - Office 406.570.2004 - Cellular [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mir ali Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] unsubscribe Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!! hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/ What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] unsubscribe
Wayne,Go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/index.cfm, login and then proceed to the unsubscribe page.Daz On 11/08/06, Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STOP PLEASE STOP, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...On 8/11/06, mir ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!!hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- wayneo ://What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/ What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglasWhat I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] unsubscribe
Whether its a joke or not its highly irritating (both the unsubscribe messages and the lolling at it). Its making me wonder if its actually worthwhile to be subscribed to this list at all. F FRANCES BERRIMAN From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: 11 August 2006 16:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] unsubscribe Is this a joke? Sometimes its hard to portray sarcasm in an email Joseph Bernhardt Web Applications Developer Incomprehensibilities, Inc. 406.587.4875 - Office 406.570.2004 - Cellular [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mir ali Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] unsubscribe Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!! hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/ What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] unsubscribe
On 11/08/06, Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STOP PLEASE STOP, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... Wayne, Go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/index.cfm, login and then proceed to the unsubscribe page. Daz I think he was refering to people just not grasping that concept... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] unsubscribe
I don't want to unsubscribe - I meant stop the unsubscribe messages - they're comming in every 2 minutes!!!On 8/11/06, Darren West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wayne,Go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/index.cfm, login and then proceed to the unsubscribe page.Daz On 11/08/06, Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STOP PLEASE STOP, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...On 8/11/06, mir ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!!hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- wayneo ://What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/ What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglasWhat I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo ://What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] unsubscribe
This reminds me of an email a couple years ago, I think it was to this list. Someone sent a message to her friend about workplace gossip, friends, and oh my god, can you believe Sharon is pregnant Just when you get to the point of pulling your hear out over z-index issues in IE6 a little drop of levity comes in to save the day. Speaking of which, the internet veterans out there will appreciate the we are the web video http://www.wearetheweb.org/ Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. Ted From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] unsubscribe Is this a joke? Sometimes its hard to portray sarcasm in an email Joseph Bernhardt Web Applications Developer Incomprehensibilities, Inc. 406.587.4875 - Office 406.570.2004 - Cellular [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mir ali Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] unsubscribe Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!! hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/ What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/basic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] unsubscribe
On 8/11/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether it's a joke or not it's highly irritating (both the unsubscribe messages and the lolling at it). It's making me wonder if it's actually worthwhile to be subscribed to this list at all. Funny, po-faced top-posting has the same effect on me... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Branding - Accessible, Unobtrusive and Semantic
Richard Czeiger wrote: Hi all :o) Just thought I'd throw a bit of code out there and see if anyone thinks it's useful.. Unobtrusive Semantic Branding http://www.grafx.com.au/dik/branding.html Yes, it's interesting - but is there an advantage over pure CSS? see [1]. It seems simple, but I knocked it up very quickly, so someone may find a problem . . . [1] http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/template/branding_CSS.html -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE6 ignores white-space; normal?
Title: IE6 ignores white-space; normal? Hi all, I have a friend whos come across a problem I havent seen before. I was hoping the folks on this list might be able to help: I have a block with white-space: nowrap, and within it, another block with white-space: normal. My browsers (Safari and Firefox on OS X) do just what they should, which is that text wraps in the inner block but text outside the inner block doesn't wrap. But IE6 screenshots seem to indicate that IE6 is ignoring the style on the inner block. I tried doing an explicit p style=white-space: normaltext text.../p in there, just to make sure I wasn't having CSS selector problems, but IE6 still seems to inherit the nowrap into that paragraph. And I can't seem to find anything about this googling around the web. Is this a known problem? Have you run into it? Any workarounds? -- Cos Does anyone know about this issue, or if theres a workaround for it? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! Cheers, Dani Nordin ~~ Dani Nordin the zen kitchen Graphic and web design with a touch of green 1 Fitchburg Street, B160 Somerville, MA 02143 401.787.5178 mobile See a full portfolio and sign up for our monthly newsletterthoughts on design, life, food and other trivialitiesat http://www.tzk-design.com Read our notes from the zen kitchenweekly(ish) articles on design, the environment, and life as a business owner - at http://zenkitchen.blogspot.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] unsubscribe
And the number of stupid messages everyday makes me want to get away from this verbosity as well. A policy on who can send a dozen dumb emails a day to annoy everyone. Sick of so much crap as well. On 12/08/2006, at 2:11 AM, Frances Berriman wrote: Whether it’s a joke or not it’s highly irritating (both the unsubscribe messages and the “lolling” at it). It’s making me wonder if it’s actually worthwhile to be subscribed to this list at all. F FRANCES BERRIMAN From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: 11 August 2006 16:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] unsubscribe Is this a joke? Sometimes it’s hard to portray sarcasm in an email… Joseph Bernhardt Web Applications Developer Incomprehensibilities, Inc. 406.587.4875 - Office 406.570.2004 - Cellular [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mir ali Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 9:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] unsubscribe Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Wayne Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG This is getting better by the minute Should I have put OT in the subject?!!?!?1 Nah that would remove from the original sin!!! hahahhaha On 8/11/06, dheeraj kothapalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dont mail me any more messages to me. I want to unsubscribe from this group. Please leave me alone. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- wayneo :// What I'm listening to: http://www.last.fm/user/wayneo/ What I'm snapping: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twistedmelon/ What I'm reading: http://del.icio.us/wayne.douglas What I'm doing: http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/public/ basic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Branding - Accessible, Unobtrusive and Semantic
On 8/11/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I think javascript is an odd choice for this. ... Javascript is great for immediate user interaction, but for page modification like this it seems slow, redundant, and inefficient. If we're generating our pages server-side to begin with, why download an incomplete markup to the client and then complete the markup with javascript? It makes sense when javascript executes differently based on user actions and on conditions found only after download, but I don't see that here. I agree that, if possible, this type of thing is probably better done on the server side. But regardless of whether it's done server or client side, I think branding can be quite difficult to solve with CSS HTML alone, mainly because the required fonts often aren't available. Perhaps sIFR (Scalable Inman Flash Replacement) would be a viable alternative (http://wiki.novemberborn.net/sifr/)? Ben Lobo Hobo Internet, 39-40 Bond St, Brighton Hove, East Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK http://www.hobointernet.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] i want my svg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, all i was trying to do was see if i could use z-indexing to put the text over the graphic. i was not really trying for sizing of the graphic and text. once i had the z-indexing working in all of the browsers, then i would work on the scaling aspect. Well your SVG in IE problem might be more generic, as overlaying text on plugins is difficult (see the earlier thread How do I make html menu go over flash content in all the big browsers?). If none of the answers in that thread suit you then you might consider using VML for IE and SVG for everything else, as I believe you can overlay text with that MS-only format. i thank you for the time you spent on this issue with me. you'll always be a knight in my book. Awesome. .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] peek-a-boo bug?
I seem to be getting a peek-a-boo type bug (but in firefox 1.5 linux) with this web template http://delusr.bigpondhosting.com/kam/ . So im told i cannot comfirm this but I was informed by a reliable source. I have also noticed that with in IE v6 on a MS platform using XP SP2 there is an issue relating to the hyperlinks on the product images. There should be a red dashed border on the mouse over.This site has been tested with Firefox 1.5.0.6 and Opera 8.54 and works well in both on a MS platform using windows XP SP2.Thanks in advance. Del **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
