[WSG] Avoid non valid css hacks
Ok at my work I joined last october they used to work with ie hacks such as _ In their specifications, they are releasing only valid html code and not css, and I am trying to release valid css stylesheets too, (Boum) I still used tantek hack for example with voice-family. And for various reasons, they don't like it. For maintaining they don't want to use ie conditional stylesheets for example and want everything in one stylesheet. So everyone think about it, decided to upgrade it progressivly to try finding new stuffs. First initiative came from a colleague who suggest for width and height properties : width: 980px !important; /* standard loving browser */ width: 952px; /* IE5 */ width /**/ : /**/ 962px; /* IE6 */ What do you think about it ? Is it a method already used on the web ? My other question is different and was about the selector . I am using htmlbody #container for example. On the source from webstandardsawards.com they are using body#container. I suppose it is ok 'cause IE 6 won't understand it, but was it tested in depth ? Cheers, -- Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Sending correct MYME-TYPE and content
Regards to http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq#ie I just discovered,
I was just wondering if we could use :
?php
if (stristr($_SERVER[HTTP_ACCEPT],application/xhtml+xml)) {
header(Content-Type: application/xhtml+xml; charset=UTF-8);
printf(?xml version=\1.0\ encoding=\UTF-8\ ?\n);
printf(!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN\
\http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd\;\n);
$contentType=application/xhtml+xml; charset=utf-8;
} else {
header(Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8);
printf(?xml version=\1.0\ encoding=\UTF-8\ ?\n);
printf(?xml-stylesheet type=\text/xsl\ href=\copy.xsl\ ?\n);
printf(!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN\
\http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd\;\n);
$contentType=text/html; charset=utf-8;
}
?
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en
head
titleHehe/title
meta http-equiv=Content-Language content=en-us /
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=?php printf($contentType);
? /
What do you think about ? I suppose if the trick works, everyone will
use it. I never heard about it before. Any informations / suggestions
about it ?
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Wcube . eQuesto
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Re: [WSG] Sending correct MYME-TYPE and content
Matthew Smith wrote: Quoth Pierre-Henri Lavigne at 02/11/07 05:03... snip / What do you think about ? I suppose if the trick works, everyone will use it. I never heard about it before. Any informations / suggestions about it ? Setting MIME type by accept string for XHTML is certainly used - I use it myself. The thing that is missing from your implementation is giving any regard to the weight, or the user agent's this is what I prefer number. Let me know if you would like to see the code I use, which takes into account the weight factor. Cheers M Yes I am curious and would like to see the code that includes the weight factor I even don't know. Anyway I think I confused, my question was about the use of the tip from http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq#ie : * Why does nobody use it ? (To my little knowledgedes ) * And find a true way to send and declare the Meta Content Type in the document with both standard compliant UA and the proprietary Internet Explorer 6 browser. Cheers -- Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] image placement problem
You are welcome, Dwain Some notes : As a class you can use it nicely : div id=header class=clearfix div id=kdd/div /div Instead of : div id=header div class=clearfix div id=kdd/div /div /div You could use multiple classes too like : div class=myClass clearfix.../div The goal is to use a semantic method by avoiding a line like the old method div class=clear/div at the end of every container of floated elements cf http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ClearingSpace I am reading the book Don't make me think from Steve Krug at the moment. Regards to the author mind, I would not say I prefer left align text or left align text is better than justify align text, but looking at the last paragraphs, In term of usability - I, we, hope you find- is better than -I, we hopeyou find-. (Kind of what users view in resolution =1024x768) What do you think of ? Take it easy, I was exciting by reading the book :). Not shure anyway if you are free to read some docs or interesting in text formatting, I recommend to you http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/basics/ cssbasics4.html. Regards, Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr On Jan 29, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Dwain Alford wrote: thanks pierre-henri. the clearfix after every third image did the trick. i was wondering about that, but everything else about the site seemed to work without it. now i've got to go change some more main page to reflect the solid look. dwain On 1/28/07, Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't look at the css, I have a similar problem using a list. I suppose you floated the elements and let them elastic, without setting a fixed height in the css property. The simple solution is to keep a ratio in height to your thumbnails (thanks to markups or images) and idem setting a fixed height to the decription (this implies a maximum length characters) Otherwise you can clear the last item of every line in case of a fixed gallery width, using for example the class clearfix on every third position item ( http://www.positioniseverything.net/ easyclearing.html) Cheers Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr On Jan 29, 2007, at 12:59 AM, Dwain Alford wrote: i'm using a variation of eric meyer's picture gallery; without the slide mounts. i've been looking at this and shuffling pictures around and i've come to a stalemate as to why the calle d borbon image won't slide into place. in fact, there are others that don't follow suit either. i have placed horizontal pix next to each other as well as verticals next to verticals. the html and css validate. the rest of the images on the site seem to fall into place, so why not these; it's the same code? would someone take a look at this and help me solve it? page: http://www.studiokdd.com/sandbox/new-orleans.html css:http://www.studiokdd.com/css/studiokdd.css dwain -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford p.o. box 145 winfield, alabama 35594 u.s.a. tele: 205.487.2570 cell: 205.495.5619 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
I confirm regards to various tests, wmode didn't help. iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3) too. Thanks for the info. Do not know atm how we will manage it. (skip submenu ? oucha) Cheers, Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Micky Hulse wrote: Al Sparber wrote: It could be as mnuch an Adobe issue as an Apple one. In any event, you Ahh, good point. :) can see here that Adobe's own dropdown menu, which falls over a Flash movie, exhibits the same problem in Safari. http://www.adobe.com Now, it is possible that Adobe does not check its site in Safari, because I know for a fact that Adobe (and formerly Macromedia) has known about this for a very long time. Yeah, this has been a prob I have heard about for a long time too... wonder what is gumming-up the works for a fix? Thanks for the reply Al, I appreciate your time. Oh, and thanks agian for that link, it has been very helpful. Keep up the excellent work! :D Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Good morning / afternoon, One of the website we are developing contains a drop down sections menu over a flash. I think we are catching the same problem as Adobe (http://www.adobe.com) If you are using Safari, it seems there is a problem with the hover status of links displayed in front of the flash. (a short blink) Did someone get the same issue ? Comments from my message on the forum are welcome too : http://forum.webstandardsgroup.org/discussion/19/caring-is-creepy- date-offleft-invert-and-revert/ Regards, Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Mac favour
Heya, just to tell I am taking part a little in porting / testing some stuffs with Fink. (http://fink.sourceforge.net) It is really wonderful. From a web point of view, with Fink you can run Konqueror / Galeon and other tools under native Mac OS X as even Incutio said (http:// css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BrowserTesting) I advise every one / web agency to consider catching a Mac even 'older' with Mac OS X (Panther minimum will be nice) You can run a Mac OS 9.2 if need be Today in France I found a shop specialized in Mac, lend return, expo models, etc... and you can get one in a correct price. I have just bought a G4 768Mg Ram, CD/DVD, 20 Giga, Mac OS X Tiger default installed, a Jaguar DVD Package I am going to install. That's enough for testing. Mac is still expensive but the community seems to be strong. And do not forget : with the last OS - Unix Power :D I don't want to be mad and I am not active since a long time but I took part in 'favours' in the past that created troubles on the list. Take care. If there are too much favours, and enough volunteers, why not creating a WSG testing community ? Regards, Peter Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:58 PM, John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Hi All, Can anyone out there with a MAC take a look at this website and tell me if it renders happily in Opera and/or IE5 etc?? www.lilaccoast.co.uk In fact – I guess any anomalies in any browser would be good to know about ;-) Many thanks, Max. The Pig Farmer Designs Ltd www.thepigfarmer.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Ozewai2005 fork
Howdy WSG, After reading Mr Weakley http://www.usability.com.au/resources/ozewai2005/, I was wondering for one of my work if this could be a true way to dynamic add the following modification for example : Original Reference : http://www.usability.com.au/resources/ozewai2005/sample/index.htm h2 class="structurelabel" Site navigation /h2 ul id="sitenav" lia href=""Home/a/li lia href=""Water birds/a/li lia href=""Land birds/a/li lia href=""Urban birds/a/li /ul h2 class="structurelabel" Water birds navigation /h2 ol id="secondarynav" listronga id="birds01"Australian Pelican span class="offleft"Here you are/span/a/strong/li lia href=""Black Swan/a/li lia href=""Little Pied Cormorant/a/li lia href=""Purple Swamphen/a/li lia href=""Musk Duck/a/li /ul If this is true, I suppose I'm not creating a new method. Can anyone link me a reference please ? Cheers, _ Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com Some exist through what they do... We exist through what we are ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Firefox print style sheet bug
Thanks for your reply Philippe and the tips for Mac. I didn't know about it. I was talking about a similar bug - bold text overlapping white-space - I have for a print style sheet especially with Firefox. At the moment I fixed the bug by changing the relative font style units (% - em) to fixed units (pt) in the print stylesheet and it seems to work great. Actually I was wondering now about the law about accessiblity, section 508 for example. Is there a reference or specifications to follow even for the print ? The site does not require a high level of accessibility but I'm curious to find out more. Cheers, _ Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com Some exist through what they do... We exist through what we are Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Oct 13, 2006, at 8:14 AM, Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote: I got the same problem in css as the following example page : http://www.getphuture.com/i/google.jpg The qualified persons on the mozilla IRC were busy at the moment I asked support. If someone has an idea about fixing it... I'll forward you answers if I find out more about it. And what is the problem ? The problems with the text, as seen in that screenshot (bold text that overlaps previous text/loose the white-space before the text-node) ? If yes, that is an OS X 10.4 only bug with some fonts: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=288047. If something else, please give some more details, a link to an example page, etc. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] Firefox print style sheet bug
Howdy, I got the same problem in css as the following example page : http://www.getphuture.com/i/google.jpg The qualified persons on the mozilla IRC were busy at the moment I asked support. If someone has an idea about fixing it... I'll forward you answers if I find out more about it. Cheers _ Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com Some exist through what they do... We exist through what we are ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Absolute URLs, RSS Feeds Mod_Rewrite
Howdy, I suppose you validate your feed and you get a warning with relative urls. Actually, if you correctly developed your feed, it's ok. Anyway, there are various agregators which support differently rss, atom and Mr Smith version feeds, and to be shure every user will access the correct resources, it's better to use rigid absolute urls. Last time I was linked by a WSG member to an article to choose one format per feed. I got the chance to cross Matt Mullenweg thanks to Wordpress mailing lists. To resume, the topic is not so easy. Anyway, I'm considering to use one format per feed for my platform, the RSS 1.0 version the W3C is using for his own website. I viewed Alistapart and WSG use RSS 2.0. I don't want to ask what do you think about it, but which one would be the best appropriate to promote standards, from an objective point of view ? Cheers, _ Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com Some exist through what they do... We exist through what we are Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: 3. RSS feed requirements Is it true that RSS requires the use of absolute urls? Many thanks for any assistance. Sarah ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] RSS Feed: Undead Atom Feed
Yellow all, I was wondering about the Atom status. From the W3C Feed Validator, I read : http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2005-07-15-a.html In the case of a new website, is it worth creating both RSS2 and Atom 0.3 for example ? I told my colleague RSS2 is enough and standard but he has just released an online atom version (unclean) and told me I couldn't dispute Atom is a standard. To my mind, maybe the latest draft but not the latest recommendation. What do you think about ? I apologize if you already argue about this subject. I subscribed the list in August 2006 and I didn't find such topics. Cheers, _ Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com Some exist through what they do... We exist through what we are ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] textarea wrap attribute
Yellow all ! I would like to know please how you are using the css property overflow to avoid the wrap=virtual attribute in xhtml 1.0 strict. I'm trusting css but I'm not shure I'm using it well. Maybe you are using an other css property. Even if the Web is a chaosmosis, it will not be an apology to make this list the same. :D Cheers, Peter -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] z-index
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 00:16, Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote: Yellow all, I didn't find the origin of the bug with Firefox 1.5.0.6 Mac OS X. If you click an artwork archive on the right sidebar, a part of the popup image is behind my left div. Any idea how to solve this ? It seems ok with other browsers. Thanks and good evening Maybe this screenshot http://www.getphuture.com/tmp.tiff can help you. Cheers -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] z-index
Yellow all, I didn't find the origin of the bug with Firefox 1.5.0.6 Mac OS X. If you click an artwork archive on the right sidebar, a part of the popup image is behind my left div. Any idea how to solve this ? It seems ok with other browsers. Thanks and good evening -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne Cell Phone: +33618753267 http://www.getphuture.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] xul - smil - abbr - questions
Good Day everyone, I know we can consider again my message as a discussion not in the rule of terms and conditions, but there is none of 4000 members on IRC. First Stuart, you were right about the IE italic bug. Thanks. Christian, the book you cite will be in my cart in september ;) Vanilla is really insteresting. Maybe I will use it for my SF project. Anyway I'm interesting in alternative languages like XUL. Do you think XUL could be the appropriate AJAX alternative for an admin management, or should I forget now ? I suppose XUL is not in the state of mind of web standards. Misconception ? I found http://www.webstandards.org/learn/articles/askw3c/jun2004/ and other ALA articles about object, but does anyone has a reference about using SMIL ? Shoud I buy an other book ? :( I know the abbr tag isn't working with IE6 for example, but I think it's not really appropriate to use acronym instead of abbr. Even if the display / vocal render is better, the meaning will be wrong. I think for an english teacher an acronym is not an abbreviation as for a developer a constant is not a variable. Em, span, etc seem to be better in this case. Web workers come from various origins. Does anyone try to create a school ? Most web professional diploma s in France. I'm thinking about the french CNAM. Advises are welcome. Cheers -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Mac check round two, please.
On Friday 18 August 2006 01:27, TuteC wrote: I don´t know if you write this with humor, if not I seriously published my question! As Joe then repeated it. Sorry if there was a misuntderstanding; Eugenio. I apologize about my strange behaviour Cortex (This is your new nickname :). Take it all easy. You do, one point. And don't be afraid you don't have to justify. I'm a beginner, I trust you. (Cartoon Cortex Minus, this is my evenning joke trip) This time here are some explanations, Cortex. I was talking about the niceful degrade for deprecated browers such as NS4 using the famous tips style @import url(blabla.css); /style with the appropriate escaped string, or especially for NS4 using link ... media=all / if I remember (ALA references) Joe seems to have statistics of users and I don't know the requirements so maybe you don't need it. Cheers, Minus -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] target=_blank
I think we can discuss a long time about this subject :) I'm renewing the code of my website and I removed the script I used : http://domscripting.com/book/sample/ Today more and more people are using tabs. And default more and more browsers switch from opening the window to open it in a new tab. So with the other reasons the members said, I think you can skip this hack. Try to explain it to your client. Anyway if you really have to use it, I will ask you to not forget about accessibility. Please use alternative text like this : title=Description (Launches a new window) Cheers PS: Any suggestions about your studies / diploma / advises to work for the web ? I apologize to add ps to my messages but the Web Standards Group IRC seems to be empty most of time -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML strict maxlength
On Thursday 10 August 2006 13:50, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just having some trouble with validating I keep getting the report this report about the maxlength property: Error Line 69 column 100: there is no attribute maxlength. ...id=good-turn-description maxlength=50 title=Tell us about it//textar.And my line of code is: textarea name=test cols=40 rows=5 id=description maxlength=50 title=Tell us about it//textarea And my doctype is: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; As far as I can see, maxlength is a valid XHTML strict attribute, can anyone tell me why this isn't validating?! Cheers, Paul Maybe textarea maxlength=50/textarea instead of textarea maxlength=50 //textarea :) Cheers -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How do I make html menu go over flash content in all the big browsers?
On Monday 07 August 2006 11:05, morten fjellman wrote: Hi list, As the title asks, how do I make html menu go over flash content in all the big browsers? Z-index obviously does not work, and setting param name=wmode value=transparent only works in IE and Opera, not FF. Also, the link on the .swf is active through the html content over it. Is there a way to make it work properly in all browsers? Fjellman ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** There are tons of discussions :( I had the problem a few months ago and I solved it by adding wmode=transparent in the embed tag and it works well in Firefox too. But it wasn't a web standard compliant site. If I remember I used this tip or a similar : http://www.easterndesigner.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=87 Maybe http://joshuaink.com/blog/82/flash-content-and-z-index and the update link inside the article http://veerle.duoh.com/index.php/blog/comments/experimenting_with_flash_content_and_z_index/ can help you Cheers -- Pierre-Henri Lavigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 (0)6.18.75.32.67 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Contextual selectors or class attribute in tag
On Sunday 06 August 2006 23:47, James Thomson wrote:
Hi,
I'm putting together a site at the moment and I'm trying to work out the
best way of applying styles to various content. The site is split by divs
in typical fashion: #header, #nav, #content etc. Each of these sections use
lists in various ways, the #header has one list laid out horizontally as a
menu, the #nav has the same although laid out vertically, the #content uses
lists in the standard fashion albeit with a custom bullet image. My initial
thoughts were that each section uses lists in such different ways that the
most appropriate way of defining those lists was using contextual
selectors, e.g.:
#header ul { /* styles */ }
#header ul li { /* styles */ }
you get the jist. But then I start to think about what happens if
for some reason, the designers decide to add another list in the #nav
section which is considerably different in style to the first one. The
styles for this second list in #nav are so different that I find myself
over-riding practically all the styles defined for ul and li in the
contextual selectors. Would it not be better then to specify a class name
within the ul tag rather than using a contextual selector in case the new
list is required? Or is this where the initial analysis of the visuals come
in? I would say that there is next to no chance in reality that another
wildly different list would be required in #nav in which case the
contextual selectors would seem to be the best optionwould you
agree?
I suppose while I'm giving comments that lists are the appropriate markups in
your design. If there is next to no chance that another list would be
required for #nav and your #nav content is given by a dynamic way (include,
templates, echo, print, etc...), contextual selectors without class names are
useful in the case you're describing. Then you can easily add or remove class
names in your stylesheets if need be.
On this same site I also have images with an annotation below them (I'll
refer to them as a 'widget' for this example). These exist in the #nav and
the #content sections. They are really quite similar, except in the #nav
the annotation has a red background and in the #content they have blue
background. So again I think contextual selectors:
#nav .widget { background-color: red; }
#content .widget { background-color: blue; }
You can use css shortcuts :
#nav .widget {background:#f00;}
#nav .widget {background:#00f;}
And then again I start thinking about whether or not at some point in the
future the designers may well decide to mix the colors within each section,
i.e. have an annotation with a blue background followed by another one in
the same section with a red background. This is a more likely scenario than
the list situation above. In this case I start thinking that it's best to
use multiple class selectors and lose the contextual selectors, e.g.:
.widget.powerful { background-color: red; }
.widget.gentle { background-color: blue; }
Then I need to control the position of the annotaion (it can go below or
above image) in which I case need to add:
.widget.above.powerful { background:
url(images/red_top_gradient.gif) top no-repeat; }
.widget.above.gentle { background: url(images/blue_top_gradient.gif)
top no-repeat; }
.widget.below.powerful { background:
url(images/red_bottom_gradient.gif) bottom no-repeat; }
.widget.below.gentle { background:
url(images/blue_bottom_gradient.gif) bottom no-repeat; }
Of course IE chokes on this meaning I have to create multiple similar
classes resulting in loads more code and plenty of duplication which gets
me annoyed and frustrated resulting in my seeking out you guys!
Don't name your class as 'above'. You will lost in your stylesheet when
the .above class name will have a lower position background ;)
I'm not shure to understand the whole, but my intuitive mind would tell you
there are too much selectors for a typical design. I would suggest you to
search for an other simpler markup technic.
I guess to summarise, I'm asking how you decide on when to use contextual
selectors and when to add the class attribute to a tag?
I'd really appreciate your thoughts. Sorry if I've not been too clear.
Many thanks,
James.
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I think I answer your question : for me it's just the 'feeling'. I'm curious
to listen to other opinions.
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