Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Tom Livingston]

On 7/29/06 4:06 AM, "Christian Montoya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the
> previous 3.

Flash plugin is installed on more computers than any of the other mentioned
formats.

FLV, definitely.


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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Ben Buchanan]

> Can animated GIFs achieves this level of animation?
> QT at least is better than WMP or RM format, and it's more accessible
> for PC users to download than having Mac user download Window Media
> Player (which Microsoft no longer support Mac platform) and Real Player.
That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video
and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the
previous 3.


This is one case where Flash really is the best option*. Experience at
work has shown it's the least troubled way to provide video to users.
Not perfect, but considering that video on computers tends to be a
nightmare of broken plugins and "not found" codecs... Flash isn't so
bad.

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Tee G. Peng]

Hamburgers don't crash my browser.

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It depends on the format you feed them into the computer - binary  
OK but

organic might cause a few problems for the computer :lol: :lol:



and watch out for mad cow virus. Rumor has it  that it has spread to  
internet land. :lol:

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Steve Olive]

On Sunday 30 July 2006 11:43, Christian Montoya wrote:
> On 7/29/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote:
> > > That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video
> > > and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the
> > > previous 3.
> >
> > I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented,
>
> Hamburgers don't crash my browser.
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It depends on the format you feed them into the computer - binary OK but 
organic might cause a few problems for the computer :lol: :lol:

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Christian Montoya]

On 7/29/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote:
>
> That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video
> and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the
> previous 3.
>
I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented,


Hamburgers don't crash my browser.

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Hassan Schroeder]

Tee G. Peng wrote:

> QT at least is better than WMP or RM format...

Regardless of what you think about Real, at least they provide a
Linux version of their player, unlike the other two.

But I vote with Christian -- Flash is the better choice for video.

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[dwain . alford]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


but georg, isn't that what standards are for?


Sure! :-)

Now, how about the support for standards around browser-land?
Not too good - yet.

Also, how about standards being created in such a way that they provide
means for delivering content of all kinds across the web?
Not all that good either - yet.

Wrap the above together and... no, I don't think we're off the
gray-scale - yet.

Georg


couldn't agree with you more, but as designers and developers, we have 
to make our content available to as many visitors as possible, and serve 
them something that, hopefully, wont kill them.  standards comes to play 
here.  and i guess that d&d's will always be a day late at the pace we 
the people are being provided standards content providing tools 
(browsers, editors, etc.).


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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


but georg, isn't that what standards are for?


Sure! :-)

Now, how about the support for standards around browser-land?
Not too good - yet.

Also, how about standards being created in such a way that they provide
means for delivering content of all kinds across the web?
Not all that good either - yet.

Wrap the above together and... no, I don't think we're off the
gray-scale - yet.

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[dwain . alford]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

is there then no difference in wanting to serve the visitors to your
web site(s) what you think is best for them?


...and what if you're wrong in your thinking? :-)

To stay within the 'food-analogy':
- good food can kill someone who isn't used to it. Good web-solutions
may not be supported, and can even "kill" a browser in rare cases.

Same with everything else on the gray-scale - which is where _all_ food
and _all_ web-solutions are anyway.

Choices, choices ;-)

Georg


but georg, isn't that what standards are for?

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

is there then no difference in wanting to serve the visitors to your
web site(s) what you think is best for them?


...and what if you're wrong in your thinking? :-)

To stay within the 'food-analogy':
- good food can kill someone who isn't used to it. Good web-solutions
may not be supported, and can even "kill" a browser in rare cases.

Same with everything else on the gray-scale - which is where _all_ food
and _all_ web-solutions are anyway.

Choices, choices ;-)

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[dwain . alford]

Tee G. Peng wrote:
I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented, 
still we have more hamburger eaters than anything else, but I am not 
going to do missionary work to convert burger eaters to something else 
just because I think it's bad. What I think is bad matter nothing to 
others, it doesn't even matter to me. Like my friend say, what! it's 
just a food that feeds my stomach when I am hungry.


Same to the above software, they are just tools, one maybe better than 
the other, but to say they are all bad is very black and white 
statement. One ought to be able to see the uselessness of its 
usefulness, hence to be able to see 'gray' and thus, reach a level of 
enlightenment - it's good for your soul and it's good for your work :)


if burgers and tofu are not good or bad, but gray, then would not you 
want to eat what you think is best for you?  and when you have a 
visitor, would you not also want to feed them what you think is best for 
them?


is there then no difference in wanting to serve the visitors to your web 
site(s) what you think is best for them?


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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Tee G. Peng]

On Jul 29, 2006, at 1:06 AM, Christian Montoya wrote:


That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video
and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the
previous 3.

I always think hamburger is the most evil food mankind ever invented,  
still we have more hamburger eaters than anything else, but I am not  
going to do missionary work to convert burger eaters to something  
else just because I think it's bad. What I think is bad matter  
nothing to others, it doesn't even matter to me. Like my friend say,  
what! it's just a food that feeds my stomach when I am hungry.


Same to the above software, they are just tools, one maybe better  
than the other, but to say they are all bad is very black and white  
statement. One ought to be able to see the uselessness of its  
usefulness, hence to be able to see 'gray' and thus, reach a level of  
enlightenment - it's good for your soul and it's good for your work :)


tee


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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Christian Montoya]

On 7/29/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Jul 28, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Patrick Haney wrote:
> To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't go with animated GIFs to
> do this. I'm sure the file size would've been larger, but no
> plugins are necessary and I've seen plenty of pixel art animations
> done with GIF.
>

Can animated GIFs achieves this level of animation?

QT at least is better than WMP or RM format, and it's more accessible
for PC users to download than having Mac user download Window Media
Player (which Microsoft no longer support Mac platform) and Real Player.


That just means that QT, WMP, and RM are all bad. What do Google Video
and Youtube use? Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the
previous 3.

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Tee G. Peng]

On Jul 28, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Patrick Haney wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't go with animated GIFs to  
do this. I'm sure the file size would've been larger, but no  
plugins are necessary and I've seen plenty of pixel art animations  
done with GIF.




Can animated GIFs achieves this level of animation?

QT at least is better than WMP or RM format, and it's more accessible  
for PC users to download than having Mac user download Window Media  
Player (which Microsoft no longer support Mac platform) and Real Player.


tee


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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Tee G. Peng]

On Jul 28, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Patrick Haney wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't go with animated GIFs to  
do this. I'm sure the file size would've been larger, but no  
plugins are necessary and I've seen plenty of pixel art animations  
done with GIF.




Can animated GIFs achieves this level of animation?

QT at least is better than WMP or RM format, and it's more accessible  
for PC users to download than having Mac user download Window Media  
Player (which Microsoft no longer support Mac platform) and Real Player.


tee


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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Quoting Patrick Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't go with animated GIFs to  do
this.


Probably because even large QT movies can be made to pseudo-stream  
(fast-start) and play reasonably smoothly (as it starts buffering, and  
only begins playback when there's a reasonable amount of initial  
frames downloaded), whereas all bets are off with very large GIFs  
(which will tend to make the animation very choppy).


They could offer it as fallback content, though...

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Patrick Haney]

...like requiring a proprietary plugin to view? :-)  Care to offer any hints on what this is about for those of us for whom no plugin is even available? Good point.The IconFactory is basically showing a new isometric pixel art animation every day for 6 days until their new site is launched. One of the days showed a W3C truck arriving at the factory do to an inspection (very funny).To be honest, I'm not sure why they didn't go with animated GIFs to do this. I'm sure the file size would've been larger, but no plugins are necessary and I've seen plenty of pixel art animations done with GIF.Patrick Patrick HaneyNot a Sausagehttp://patrickhaney.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Hassan Schroeder]

Tee G. Peng wrote:
> http://www.iconfactory.com/news.asp?day=1
> 
> Very very interesting! Could be a good education for client on web
> standards

...like requiring a proprietary plugin to view? :-)

Care to offer any hints on what this is about for those of us for
whom no plugin is even available?

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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Patrick Haney]

Maybe it's a quicktime problem, but that crashes FF, IE, and Opera on my Win XP SP2 machine. Too bad really, I wanted to find out what happens after that riveting first day. Maybe adopting a more standard video format (pun intended very intentionally) would help. It also crashed Firefox on Windows XP for me, but worked fine in IE6. Firefox on OS X 10.4.7 had no trouble with it at all. Strange.I ran the latest iTunes+Quicktime installer and tried again. Firefox, Opera, IE6 all worked fine on XP after that.Patrick Patrick HaneyNot a Sausagehttp://patrickhaney.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Christian Montoya]

On 7/28/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.iconfactory.com/news.asp?day=1

Very very interesting! Could be a good education for client on web
standards

Cheers,

tee


Maybe it's a quicktime problem, but that crashes FF, IE, and Opera on
my Win XP SP2 machine. Too bad really, I wanted to find out what
happens after that riveting first day. Maybe adopting a more standard
video format (pun intended very intentionally) would help.

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[WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory

[Tee G. Peng]

http://www.iconfactory.com/news.asp?day=1

Very very interesting! Could be a good education for client on web  
standards


Cheers,

tee


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