Re: [WSG] frames for HTML

[Designer]

Michael Yeaney wrote:

While frames may be horrible for search engine crawling and
bookmarking, IMO they are a godsend for web-delivered rich
applications (i.e., when you don't want people jump in at random, and
you need to give the solid feel of a 'real' desktop app.)these
types of things aren't usually crawled by search engines though,
either.  Some examples that come to mind are M$ Outlook Web Access
(even though it's only IE), CheckPoint firewall admin tools (all web
based), etc.

That said, I would NOT use them for public domain, accessible, content
delivery web sites (as mentioned in previous posts).

Just my $.02.

(Flame suit on)
Mike

Well I /would/, and indeed do!  If the user is going to be moving about 
a lot from one menu item to another, frames are brilliant. Yes, I know I 
can emulate them with position-fixed, but it can be an awful mess to 
maintain. Also, you can overcome the 'lost pages' problem by using 
something like :


script type=text/javascript
   if (parent.location.href == self.location.href){
 window.location.href = 'frameset.html'
   }
/script

at the top of each relevant page.  Bookmarking is not a good point, as 
has been said, but it isn't all that difficult for a person if the 
bookmark takes them to the frameset instead of the page - it's only one 
click, after all.


Lastly, I get many, (many), compliments on the simplicity of use of 
http://www.raintreehouse.co.uk - and it's based on frames.  Sometimes 
(not always) the advantages far exceed the disadvantages.


(retires behind heat shield . . . ) :-)

--
Best Regards,

Bob McClelland

Cornwall (UK)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk


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RE: [WSG] frames for HTML

[Ted Drake]

Here are a couple experiments by Hedger Wang that you may find interesting. 

CSS Framesets (variations of these have been around forever)
http://www.hedgerwow.com/360/dhtml/css-frameset/demo_1.html 

Drag and drop toolbars (this is really cool and gives you more of a desktop 
application experience)
http://www.hedgerwow.com/360/dhtml/css-frameset/toolbar/demo.html 

Ted


-Original Message-
From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Michael Yeaney
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:35 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] frames for HTML

While frames may be horrible for search engine crawling andbookmarking, IMO 
they are a godsend for web-delivered richapplications (i.e., when you don't 
want people jump in at random, andyou need to give the solid feel of a 'real' 
desktop app.)thesetypes of things aren't usually crawled by search engines 
though,either.  Some examples that come to mind are M$ Outlook Web Access(even 
though it's only IE), CheckPoint firewall admin tools (all webbased), etc.
That said, I would NOT use them for public domain, accessible, contentdelivery 
web sites (as mentioned in previous posts).
Just my $.02.
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