RE: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Scott Barnes]

David,

I've been using Flash since its birth, I rarely rush anything to do with Adobe 
:)

As for hardware support, you've not yet outlined why you need it? I can see 
1000 ways as to why hardware acceleration is ideal, but that's me - you 
however, seem to be looking at the window dressing and going "oooh I want 
that.." and haven't stopped to look at the entire bigger picture around it 
firstly and secondly why you need it?

I'm not inclined to give credit to Adobe on this one just yet, I've seen their 
promises on brochure and the real deal is entirely something different. Like I 
said, jury is still out on whether this is actually a good thing overall.

exhibit A: 
http://www.kaourantin.net/2008/05/adobe-pixel-bender-in-flash-player-10.html
exhibit B: 
http://www.kaourantin.net/2008/05/what-does-gpu-acceleration-mean.html

I think you should take some time to read more up on the actual GPU 
capabilities in Flash 10?

Scott.









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Sent: Sunday, 2 November 2008 11:16 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Scott Barnes wrote:
Few points:

• Let’s agree to disagree, as clearly we’re at opposite ends on this 
one ☺

• It looks pretty good? Any indication as to what you’re about to do 
with it

Do with it? Nothing. We're largely a Microsoft development shop. What I have 
been saying is that you shouldn't be so quick to write it off a new feature 
like hardware acceleration as one of "Flash 10s new toys". I dare say if you 
conducted a straw poll amongst developers and asked them if they thought it 
would be a good thing to enable that across the platform (and cross platform) 
then I can't imagine any would say no.

As a thought experiment, go and spend 20 minutes at 
www.kongregate.com<http://www.kongregate.com> and then ask yourself where it 
might be in 12-24 months if developers start making extensive use of the 
DirectX/OpenGL retargetting built into the runtime.

or is this just what you’ve read from first impressions off their initial press 
releases? (curious to see how well you’ve digested the entire story around 
this).

Yep. I do all my research with press releases. o  O

[... Lots of stuff about CDNs and other stuff with nothing to do with hardware 
acceleration on the client deleted ...]

• If flash is your cup of tea, that’s perfectly fine.

It isn't particularly.

I’m not going to  think ill of folks adopting Flash, as it’s really comes down 
to what problems you’re trying to solve, how much investment your about to 
unload and where you think it will take you down the road. If Flash offers an 
edge over Silverlight, then my only query is – “tell me what we missed, so I 
can ensure the next releases cover it..”

How about full cross platform hardware acceleration across the entire runtime?

David



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:44 AM
To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com<mailto:listserver@ozsilverlight.com>
Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Scott,

You probably think I'm yanking your chain and I know this is an SL list but 
seriously "I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D" isn't really a good way to advocate a platform.  
Props where props are due - Flash 10 does look pretty good.

Other replies inline...

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:

Never stated hardware acceleration was a bad thing? You asked or assumed I 
implied that but I thought I rejected that and answered your question that it 
has to do with implementation.
So to clarify what are the parts of the Adobe implementation that are bad that 
make you think the jury is out?

As for hardware acceleration in the runtime, in what way is that going to be 
beneficial overall (i.e. what are you expecting to see or view in this case?).
I dunno - I'd be expecting to see all of the normal sorts of eye candy enabled 
by using dedicated hardware:
1. High quality filtering and resampling  - not computationally feasible in 
software
2. Alpha transparency of video   - not computationally feasible in software
3. Transformation of video while playing   - not computationally feasible in 
software
4. 3D with trilinear filtering so you can read text that has come out of the 
other end of the rendering pipeline. NFI if Flash 10 does that (probably not) 
but either way you're never going to do it in software.

etc

Cost has to do with Streaming not so much the client viewing, all those bytes 
add up and someone has to pay the bill, especially with CDN folks ☺
What b

Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[David Connors]

Scott Barnes wrote:


Few points:

· Let’s agree to disagree, as clearly we’re at opposite ends 
on this one J


· It looks pretty good? Any indication as to what you’re about 
to do with it


Do with it? Nothing. We're largely a Microsoft development shop. What I 
have been saying is that you shouldn't be so quick to write it off a new 
feature like hardware acceleration as one of "Flash 10s new toys". I 
dare say if you conducted a straw poll amongst developers and asked them 
if they thought it would be a good thing to enable that across the 
platform (and cross platform) then I can't imagine any would say no.


As a thought experiment, go and spend 20 minutes at www.kongregate.com 
and then ask yourself where it might be in 12-24 months if developers 
start making extensive use of the DirectX/OpenGL retargetting built into 
the runtime.


or is this just what you’ve read from first impressions off their 
initial press releases? (curious to see how well you’ve digested the 
entire story around this).



Yep. I do all my research with press releases. o  O

[... Lots of stuff about CDNs and other stuff with nothing to do with 
hardware acceleration on the client deleted ...]


· If flash is your cup of tea, that’s perfectly fine.


It isn't particularly.


I’m not going to  think ill of folks adopting Flash, as it’s really 
comes down to what problems you’re trying to solve, how much 
investment your about to unload and where you think it will take you 
down the road. If Flash offers an edge over Silverlight, then my only 
query is – “tell me what we missed, so I can ensure the next releases 
cover it..”


How about full cross platform hardware acceleration across the entire 
runtime?


David



 

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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*Subject:* Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

 


Scott,


You probably think I'm yanking your chain and I know this is an SL 
list but seriously "I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys 
as in the end..Flash is still Flash :D" isn't really a good way to 
advocate a platform.  Props where props are due - Flash 10 does look 
pretty good. 

 


Other replies inline...

 

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


Never stated hardware acceleration was a bad thing? You asked or 
assumed I implied that but I thought I rejected that and answered your 
question that it has to do with implementation. 

So to clarify what are the parts of the Adobe implementation that are 
bad that make you think the jury is out? 


As for hardware acceleration in the runtime, in what way is that
going to be beneficial overall (i.e. what are you expecting to see
or view in this case?). 

I dunno - I'd be expecting to see all of the normal sorts of eye candy 
enabled by using dedicated hardware: 

1. High quality filtering and resampling  - not computationally 
feasible in software


2. Alpha transparency of video   - not computationally feasible in 
software


3. Transformation of video while playing   - not computationally 
feasible in software


4. 3D with trilinear filtering so you can read text that has come out 
of the other end of the rendering pipeline. NFI if Flash 10 does that 
(probably not) but either way you're never going to do it in software.


 


etc

Cost has to do with Streaming not so much the client viewing, all
those bytes add up and someone has to pay the bill, especially
with CDN folks J

What bearing does the hardware acceleration model on the client have 
on the kbps of a video stream it is downloading? 


Pre-computation? Could you elaborate on what you mean there?

I probably used a really poor example here that will confuse the 
conversation - but say I open a massive image in PS11/CS4. You can 
(relatively) smoothly zoom into it to your hearts content in real time 
because the scaling is retargetted to hardware. In that case their use 
of hardware acceleration (while not at all relevant to the discussion 
at hand) appears to be very good. I'd presume that if they can enable 
scenarios like that in an app as old and as complex as PS that they'd 
do a relatively good job of using it in a client runtime. Note: I am 
not saying that downloading a massive image and processing it on the 
client is a substitute for DeepZoom ... I just used that as an app 
that does something similar (hence I said bad example). The point of 
pre-computation is that when SL is displaying a Deep Zoom image it is 
only really working with screen resolution or something pretty close. 

 

I would be curious to know how it would go, performance wise, with a 
30 meg source image for example. 


I won't enter the debate around Sony vs.

RE: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Scott Barnes]

Few points:

· Let’s agree to disagree, as clearly we’re at opposite ends on this 
one ☺


· It looks pretty good? Any indication as to what you’re about to do 
with it or is this just what you’ve read from first impressions off their 
initial press releases? (curious to see how well you’ve digested the entire 
story around this).


· There’s a lot more to just playing video, folks tend to want to add 
other elements and factors to the video story online, given advertising + video 
seems to be a hot topic online at the moment. Flash whilst having a fairly 
ubiquitous story online, still has had troubles with low quality video mixed 
with reduced ‘stickiness’ online. During the Olympics, when the world was 
craving for online video, the best day Flash had was 3mins+ per session on 
average. We had 26mins+ on average 
(http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog/archive/2008/10/30/the-olympic-numbers-are-in.aspx).
 Given they are reacting to Microsoft Silverlight (by their own admission) and 
going by their history in this space whilst adding the TCO etc, like I said, 
the Jury is still out on what exactly this really means and how well Flash 10 
is likely to perform overall.


· Partnerships with both CDN’s and the “Cloud” are something that is 
likely to be the next wave of influence around online video, not to mention the 
strong trends towards Advertising and TV networks looking to secure their 
assets online to prevent piracy – DRM (hate it or love it). There is more to 
this story than just having a bit more performance. How do you send video to 
the new feature, how does one keep track of the bandwidth etc.. How does it 
play well with other features within the runtime, how easily are things 
configured to ensure it plays well (eg seen the Amazon + Flash Media server 
debacle?)


· Silverlight offers both VC-1 today, and we’ve announced we’re going 
to support H.264 going forward, this will put the runtime in a favorable 
position to allow companies both options. Furthermore, Windows Media Server 
2008 and Smooth Streaming are on the horizons as well are offered at a 
significantly lower price. Expression Media Encoder also provides hardware 
encoding as well. Point is, we’re making strong bets in both the server, client 
and cloud to ensure video kick starts to the next wave. We’re not playing the 
reactive game, it’s proactive and furthermore offering free HD hosting via 
silverlight.live.com is also part of our approach – so yeah, I think 
Silverlight is not only the real deal but the cheapest but without a reduction 
in quality.



· If flash is your cup of tea, that’s perfectly fine. I’m not going to  
think ill of folks adopting Flash, as it’s really comes down to what problems 
you’re trying to solve, how much investment your about to unload and where you 
think it will take you down the road. If Flash offers an edge over Silverlight, 
then my only query is – “tell me what we missed, so I can ensure the next 
releases cover it..”


HTH.
Scott.
P.S
If you prefer to debate offline happy to do so, just conscious of peoples inbox 
and I don’t see this going anywhere productive is all?






From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:44 AM
To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Scott,

You probably think I'm yanking your chain and I know this is an SL list but 
seriously "I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D" isn't really a good way to advocate a platform.  
Props where props are due - Flash 10 does look pretty good.

Other replies inline...

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:

Never stated hardware acceleration was a bad thing? You asked or assumed I 
implied that but I thought I rejected that and answered your question that it 
has to do with implementation.
So to clarify what are the parts of the Adobe implementation that are bad that 
make you think the jury is out?

As for hardware acceleration in the runtime, in what way is that going to be 
beneficial overall (i.e. what are you expecting to see or view in this case?).
I dunno - I'd be expecting to see all of the normal sorts of eye candy enabled 
by using dedicated hardware:
1. High quality filtering and resampling  - not computationally feasible in 
software
2. Alpha transparency of video   - not computationally feasible in software
3. Transformation of video while playing   - not computationally feasible in 
software
4. 3D with trilinear filtering so you can read text that has come out of the 
other end of the rendering pipeline. NFI if Flash 10 does that (probably not) 
but either way you're never going to do it in software.

etc

Cost has to do with Streaming not so much the client viewing, all those bytes 
add

RE: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Jorke Odolphi]

I've heard wildy varying reports from people everywhere on the quality they 
get, as this stage smooth streaming is being delivered through akamai, and 
depending on how close you are an akamai POP and whether the content is cached 
sufficiently for your connection - ask anyone from New Zealand what it's like 
:). Its effectively a ctp of the technology so hopefully it can only get 
better...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ross jempson
Sent: Friday, 31 October 2008 9:51 AM
To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Perhaps its latency then, which can be considered independent of throughput.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Damian Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That wasn't so smooth for me the other day, audio was stuttering, etc. I'm
> onsite mind you so connection may not be great, but  I'm downloading PDC
> videos at 150 KB/sec so seems fairly decent (1.2 Mbps).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Damian Edwards
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>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:14
> To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
> Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?
>
>
>
> Nope J
>
>
>
> In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing.
> Verdict is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success
> with Smooth Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new
> toys as in the end..Flash is still Flash :D
>
>
>
> http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
> To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
> Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?
>
>
>
> Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I
> saw mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story
> with Silverlight.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Damian Edwards
> Microsoft MVP | ASP/ASP.NET
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Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[ross jempson]

Perhaps its latency then, which can be considered independent of throughput.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Damian Edwards
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That wasn't so smooth for me the other day, audio was stuttering, etc. I'm
> onsite mind you so connection may not be great, but  I'm downloading PDC
> videos at 150 KB/sec so seems fairly decent (1.2 Mbps).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Damian Edwards
> Microsoft MVP | ASP/ASP.NET
> Readify | Senior Consultant
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | W: www.readify.net
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:14
> To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
> Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?
>
>
>
> Nope J
>
>
>
> In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing.
> Verdict is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success
> with Smooth Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new
> toys as in the end..Flash is still Flash :D
>
>
>
> http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
> To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
> Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?
>
>
>
> Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I
> saw mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story
> with Silverlight.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Damian Edwards
> Microsoft MVP | ASP/ASP.NET
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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Jordan Knight]

I was sufficiently impressed... the connection here is really crappy and the 
vids played very well...

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Sent: Friday, 31 October 2008 10:38 AM
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Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

That wasn’t so smooth for me the other day, audio was stuttering, etc. I’m 
onsite mind you so connection may not be great, but  I’m downloading PDC videos 
at 150 KB/sec so seems fairly decent (1.2 Mbps).

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:14
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn’t be discouraged by Flash 10’s new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Damian Edwards]

That wasn't so smooth for me the other day, audio was stuttering, etc. I'm 
onsite mind you so connection may not be great, but  I'm downloading PDC videos 
at 150 KB/sec so seems fairly decent (1.2 Mbps).

Regards,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 15:14
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
Damian Edwards
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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Michael Kordahi]

Jorke, 3 questions:


1.   How do you prepare media for Smooth Streaming?

2.   Are there any special server bits?

3.   Is it only for progressive download or for streaming too?

-mk

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorke Odolphi
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 2:56 AM
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Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

I mean - MediaStreamSource .. gah..

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorke Odolphi
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 7:51 PM
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Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Smooth streaming at this stage is done by reencoding the video in various bit 
rate profiles and intelligently switching between them based on the response 
from the client and the magic of silverlight mediasource

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 4:12 PM
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Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Magic of software my friend.. Magic..of..software :)

I'm poking our video experts for  breakdown of the how now as I'm sure it's got 
a nice story to be told... PDC is obviously yielding a lot of "OOF auto 
responses though" so patience :)


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:09 PM
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Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Wow that smooth HD is really smooth.  How was that done?

Regards,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:14 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
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Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
Damian Edwards
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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Jorke Odolphi]

I mean - MediaStreamSource .. gah..

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorke Odolphi
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 7:51 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Smooth streaming at this stage is done by reencoding the video in various bit 
rate profiles and intelligently switching between them based on the response 
from the client and the magic of silverlight mediasource

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 4:12 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Magic of software my friend.. Magic..of..software :)

I'm poking our video experts for  breakdown of the how now as I'm sure it's got 
a nice story to be told... PDC is obviously yielding a lot of "OOF auto 
responses though" so patience :)


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:09 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Wow that smooth HD is really smooth.  How was that done?

Regards,
Philip Beadle
Readify | Principal Consultant
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:14 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
Damian Edwards
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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Jorke Odolphi]

Smooth streaming at this stage is done by reencoding the video in various bit 
rate profiles and intelligently switching between them based on the response 
from the client and the magic of silverlight mediasource

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 4:12 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Magic of software my friend.. Magic..of..software :)

I'm poking our video experts for  breakdown of the how now as I'm sure it's got 
a nice story to be told... PDC is obviously yielding a lot of "OOF auto 
responses though" so patience :)


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:09 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Wow that smooth HD is really smooth.  How was that done?

Regards,
Philip Beadle
Readify | Principal Consultant
Microsoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NET, MCAD, MCT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:14 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
Damian Edwards
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Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[David Connors]

Scott,

You probably think I'm yanking your chain and I know this is an SL list but
seriously "I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the
end..Flash is still Flash :D" isn't really a good way to advocate a
platform.  Props where props are due - Flash 10 does look pretty good.

Other replies inline...

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  Never stated hardware acceleration was a bad thing? You asked or assumed
> I implied that but I thought I rejected that and answered your question that
> it has to do with implementation.
>
So to clarify what are the parts of the Adobe implementation that are bad
that make you think the jury is out?

> As for hardware acceleration in the runtime, in what way is that going to
> be beneficial overall (i.e. what are you expecting to see or view in this
> case?).
>
I dunno - I'd be expecting to see all of the normal sorts of eye candy
enabled by using dedicated hardware:
1. High quality filtering and resampling  - not computationally feasible in
software
2. Alpha transparency of video   - not computationally feasible in software
3. Transformation of video while playing   - not computationally feasible in
software
4. 3D with trilinear filtering so you can read text that has come out of the
other end of the rendering pipeline. NFI if Flash 10 does that (probably
not) but either way you're never going to do it in software.

etc

> Cost has to do with Streaming not so much the client viewing, all those
> bytes add up and someone has to pay the bill, especially with CDN folks J
>
What bearing does the hardware acceleration model on the client have on the
kbps of a video stream it is downloading?

> Pre-computation? Could you elaborate on what you mean there?
>
I probably used a really poor example here that will confuse the
conversation - but say I open a massive image in PS11/CS4. You can
(relatively) smoothly zoom into it to your hearts content in real time
because the scaling is retargetted to hardware. In that case their use of
hardware acceleration (while not at all relevant to the discussion at hand)
appears to be very good. I'd presume that if they can enable scenarios like
that in an app as old and as complex as PS that they'd do a relatively good
job of using it in a client runtime. Note: I am not saying that downloading
a massive image and processing it on the client is a substitute for DeepZoom
... I just used that as an app that does something similar (hence I said bad
example). The point of pre-computation is that when SL is displaying a Deep
Zoom image it is only really working with screen resolution or something
pretty close.

I would be curious to know how it would go, performance wise, with a 30 meg
source image for example.

> I won't enter the debate around Sony vs. Samsung,
>
LOL. Okay ... but you're the one who brought up the analogy.

> it's more towards the analogy than the depth of which two brands approach
> consumers in which ways. The fact here in the US, is that you walk into any
> best buy store, look at the TV's on full view and the decision comparisons
> around which to buy typically live in and around price, chrome presentation
> and warranties. It's extremely hard to spot the difference between each HD
> TV on display, there are certain tricks applied – like playing Finding Nemo
> with various tweeks to color profiles to give a "brighter vs. darker" visual
> queue that somehow one trumps the other.
>
> So meh :0
>
What was the point of your analogy? Are you saying that Flash is all tricks
but SL is the real deal? Or that they're all the same and you can't tell? I
don't understand?

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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Scott Barnes]

Magic of software my friend.. Magic..of..software :)

I'm poking our video experts for  breakdown of the how now as I'm sure it's got 
a nice story to be told... PDC is obviously yielding a lot of "OOF auto 
responses though" so patience :)


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:09 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Wow that smooth HD is really smooth.  How was that done?

Regards,
Philip Beadle
Readify | Principal Consultant
Microsoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NET, MCAD, MCT
Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:14 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
Damian Edwards
Microsoft MVP<https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Damian.Edwards> | 
ASP/ASP.NET
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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Philip Beadle]

Wow that smooth HD is really smooth.  How was that done?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:14 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:33 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

Regards,
Damian Edwards
Microsoft MVP<https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Damian.Edwards> | 
ASP/ASP.NET
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RE: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Scott Barnes]

Never stated hardware acceleration was a bad thing? You asked or assumed I 
implied that but I thought I rejected that and answered your question that it 
has to do with implementation.

As for hardware acceleration in the runtime, in what way is that going to be 
beneficial overall (i.e. what are you expecting to see or view in this case?).  
Cost has to do with Streaming not so much the client viewing, all those bytes 
add up and someone has to pay the bill, especially with CDN folks ☺

Pre-computation? Could you elaborate on what you mean there?

I won’t enter the debate around Sony vs. Samsung, it’s more towards the analogy 
than the depth of which two brands approach consumers in which ways. The fact 
here in the US, is that you walk into any best buy store, look at the TV’s on 
full view and the decision comparisons around which to buy typically live in 
and around price, chrome presentation and warranties. It’s extremely hard to 
spot the difference between each HD TV on display, there are certain tricks 
applied – like playing Finding Nemo with various tweeks to color profiles to 
give a “brighter vs. darker” visual queue that somehow one trumps the other.

So meh :0




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:13 PM
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com
Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

Scott Barnes wrote:
The implementation more so. It’s also not just about the runtime, at the end of 
the day TCO is quite  strong driving factor in this ethos, so having the 
technical prowess is one thing, holding it hostage to price..now that’s where 
technology decisions make or break.
So the jury is, in fact, not out then. :) I get the feeling you're ragging the 
feature just because SL does not have it.

I'd actually say congratulations to Adobe for putting hardware acceleration 
into the runtime and we, the end users will be the beneficiaries of it. I wish 
more vendors would use all the hardware in it rather than going backwards (i.e. 
rendering primitives in software in Vista). I have no idea what you're talking 
about with being held hostage to a price as the Flash runtime is free (and you 
could use FlashDevelop + FlexSDK if you so choose).

Vaguely related to this, my copy of Photoshop CS4 arrived Tuesday .. it has 
openGL hardware acceleration so image manipulation tasks are all heavily 
accelerated. Zooming through large images behaves as DeepZoom except in 
real-time with no pre-computation or pre-rendering, and you can rotate 10 
megapixel images in realtime.

Hardware acceleration is a GOOD THING - bring more of it on I say!


As at the end of the day, end consumer really doesn’t care – i.e. “Which is 
better HD TV maker Samsung or Sony? “ – answer “whichever’s the cheapest, has 
the best warranty” as once you get to the HD levels, 1 in 5 house wives can’t 
spot the difference.. :D
If that were true then Sony would not have sold a single Bravia. A 
not-insignificant number of consumers do prioritise and appreciate quality.

It would be better if the  NVS160m chipset in my notebook was employed more 
gainfully than drawing transparent edges around windows.

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Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[David Connors]

Scott Barnes wrote:

  
  
  

  
  The
implementation more so. It’s also not just about the
runtime, at the end of the day TCO is quite  strong driving factor in
this
ethos, so having the technical prowess is one thing, holding it hostage
to
price..now that’s where technology decisions make or break.
  

So the jury is, in fact, not out then. :) I
get the feeling you're ragging the feature just because SL does not
have it.

I'd actually say congratulations to Adobe for putting hardware
acceleration into the runtime and we, the end users will be the
beneficiaries of it. I wish more vendors would use all the hardware in
it rather than going backwards (i.e. rendering primitives in software
in Vista). I have no idea what you're talking about with being held
hostage to a price as the Flash runtime is free (and you could use
FlashDevelop + FlexSDK if you so choose).

Vaguely related to this, my copy of Photoshop CS4 arrived Tuesday .. it
has openGL hardware acceleration so image manipulation tasks are all
heavily accelerated. Zooming through large images behaves as DeepZoom
except in real-time with no pre-computation or pre-rendering, and you
can rotate 10 megapixel images in realtime.

Hardware acceleration is a GOOD THING - bring more of it on I
say!

  
  
   
  As
at the end of the day, end consumer really doesn’t care – i.e.
“Which is better HD TV maker Samsung or Sony? “ – answer “whichever’s
the
cheapest, has the best warranty” as once you get to the HD levels, 1 in
5 house
wives can’t spot the difference.. :D
  

If that were true then Sony would not have sold a
single Bravia. A not-insignificant number of consumers do prioritise
and appreciate quality.

It would be better if the  NVS160m chipset in my notebook was employed
more gainfully than drawing transparent edges around windows.  

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RE: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Scott Barnes]

The implementation more so. It’s also not just about the runtime, at the end of 
the day TCO is quite  strong driving factor in this ethos, so having the 
technical prowess is one thing, holding it hostage to price..now that’s where 
technology decisions make or break.

As at the end of the day, end consumer really doesn’t care – i.e. “Which is 
better HD TV maker Samsung or Sony? “ – answer “whichever’s the cheapest, has 
the best warranty” as once you get to the HD levels, 1 in 5 house wives can’t 
spot the difference.. :D


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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
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In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality.
Do you mean the verdict is still out on how good their implementation is or 
whether or not it is a good idea fullstop?

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Re: [OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing.
> Verdict is still out on how good it is in reality.
>
Do you mean the verdict is still out on how good their implementation is or
whether or not it is a good idea fullstop?

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[OzSilverlight] RE: Hardware accelerated video?

[Scott Barnes]

Nope :)

In terms of what Flash has, they 10 added hardware bitmap compositing. Verdict 
is still out on how good it is in reality. Given our latest success with Smooth 
Streaming in IIS7, I wouldn't be discouraged by Flash 10's new toys as in the 
end..Flash is still Flash :D

http://www.smoothHD.com to underpin this story further :D hehe.


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Subject: [OzSilverlight] Hardware accelerated video?

Anybody know if Silverlight 2 supports hardware accelerated video at all? I saw 
mention of this as a new Flash feature and was curious as to the story with 
Silverlight.

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