Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X

2001-04-07 Thread Rob Partington

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 http://www.msnbc.com/news/555930.asp

Not really surprising news, though, since he was fighting with Tannenbaum
in 1991 about whether micro-kernels were worth the bother or not.

I mostly like MacOS X, but it is way too resource hungry.  I shouldn't
need 64M to run a GUI and Unix comfortably, that's just crap.  
-- 
rob partington % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://lynx.browser.org/



Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-07 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Alex Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:37:34PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 
  You probably want:
 
  TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols, 
 
 Gah, I've got a copy of that on my shelf. Really should get round
 to reading it at some point...

Ah, "bought any good books lately?". There are some books that are
just good to _own_

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: sub BEGIN {}

2001-04-07 Thread Piers Cawley

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 07:10:02PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
  On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
   Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker
  
  I seem to solve this by being one all along...
 
 'Elitist' implies to me that one is applying unreasonable, arbitrary
 criteria.  

It does? I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Now, where'd I put the OED data
disk?

 Well shit, if despising scum is unreasonable and arbitrary, then
 sign me up!

You bofh. Me bofh too...

-- 
Piers




Re: Mmm... Perl 5+i

2001-04-07 Thread Piers Cawley

Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Piers Cawley wrote:
  I'm really liking Damian's work on this. Favourite so far:
  
  %new_hash = map {yield munge_key($_); munge_value($_)} %a_hash
^
 
 Looks like someone's been doing too much Ruby to me

Yield in coroutines is way older than Ruby. And note that yield in
this context is not mucking about with default blocks and all that
stuff...

-- 
Piers




Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X

2001-04-07 Thread Piers Cawley

Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 http://www.msnbc.com/news/555930.asp
 
 Sadly, lacking on details.
 
 Paul, who still likes it.

Certainly from the play I had with it at Neil's, it looks pretty good.
Now, if I can just get someone to give me a G4 Titanium PowerBook I'll
actually have something to run on it.

-- 
Piers





Re: Silly postings

2001-04-07 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 06 Apr 2001, you wrote:

 Which is of course wrong.  Russia makes the best firearms, Australia makes
 the best wine, and .us produces the best bloodthirsty maniacs.  I believe
 they recently elected one as their Fuhrer.

Russia makes the best firearms? my dear chap, you obviously haven't had
the misfortune to use many of them then.

For quality and ease of use you want an M16/AR15
For sheer accuracy you want an Anschutz ... 

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: Torvalds not impressed with OS X

2001-04-07 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton

Piers Cawley [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*
*Certainly from the play I had with it at Neil's, it looks pretty good.
*Now, if I can just get someone to give me a G4 Titanium PowerBook I'll
*actually have something to run on it.

I have a Ti book and it seems resource hungry even on that. It consumes
2GB of disk space which even solaris hasn't managaed to do yet. I have
380+ MB RAM and I find it very slow on launching OS 9 or 'classic'
applications and my mouse pointer goes missing every now and then when it
wakes up from sleep.

I still find most GUIs cumbersome so OS X has done nothing for me to
dissuade me from thinking I'd be happier with NetBSD. I find the urge to
lick the screen most disturbing.

Until there are more compelling reasons to use OS X, other than it looks
smart on your desktop, I don't think it will be very readily adopted. SUSE
PPC Linux installs much more easily and is faster with less candy.  It
will be interesting to see how OS X evolves in the next year or so. 

In spite of my dissatisfaction with the OS itself, I'm happy to see Apple
bringing the power of unix to the desktop and I'll hope in a year or two
that it will be compelling to upgrade.

e.



Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-07 Thread Alex Page

On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 06:59:44AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Alex Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 1: The Protocols, 

  Gah, I've got a copy of that on my shelf. Really should get round
  to reading it at some point...

 Ah, "bought any good books lately?". There are some books that are
 just good to _own_

I didn't buy it... it was a present from a guilty former employer when
he didn't give me the permanent position he'd promised me when I joined
the company after graduation. Also got O'Rielly's HTML and XHTML, which
my girlfriend has since lost... *grr*

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth



Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)

2001-04-07 Thread Alex Page

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:28:16AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 Alex Page wrote:

  When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of 
  little signs over the classroom walls saying things like 
  "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things 
  like that in.

 I hope it had s/say/write/ , since I don't hear any difference when someone
 *says* "all right" or "alright".

I dunno. Probably as a result of that sign, I always try to
enunciate the gap between the words...

Alex
-- 
"I ask for so little. Just let me rule you, and you
 can have everything that you want." - Jareth, Labyrinth