Re: PIMB T-shirts
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip discussion about legal aspects re using a camel smoking a joint on a t-shirt. If these are private individuals selling t-shirts, may I suggest just omitting the word 'perl' from anywhere on the t-shirt. Then O'Reilly's trademark issues don't even come into effect (See page 'iv' of Programming Perl for trademark discussion) and it's really, really got nothing to do with them. besides, ``Icon'' smoking joint has been done to death, hash bang perl is original -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly. IMHO they're a nice company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has nothing to do with it. I think this is a _very_ good point. On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. Dave... [who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced him to sing that song over 30 years ago]
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On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories! And another thing: http://www.brunching.com/toys/drugslanger.html
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* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. It's not obvious! I listened to this song over and over again when I was young and at no point did it seem at all drug induced. It's perfectly good childrens song. Down with the conspiracy theories! damn, this fact is in some comedy film --- ah thats right its meet the parents, with Robert De Niro as an ex-CIA guy who is equally surprised at PtMD being about this. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:17:29 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quite frankly I'd rather not piss of O'Reilly. IMHO they're a nice company that do nice things and the legality of the issue really has nothing to do with it. I think this is a _very_ good point. On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. Dave... [who was obviously corrupted by his primary school teachers who forced him to sing that song over 30 years ago] Snopes has this to say: http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
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At 17 Jan 2001 10:09:29 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Puff the Magic Dragon] Snopes has this to say: http://www.snopes2.com/music/songs/puff.htm Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know exactly what I'm doing. Dave... [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics".
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 06:14:27AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Which I'd be happy to read in detail if it wasn't for the fscking midi of the tune blasting out and letting everyone in the office know exactly what I'm doing. Dave... [who wishes that Netscape had a "no multimedia at all. under any circumstances!" option instead of just "no graphics". junkbuster is your friend. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
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On a tangentially related point - I've just overheard someone in the office mention the rumour that "Puff, the magic dragon" was "written by someone who was smoking a joint". I guess I'm just surprised that there are people to whom this fact isn't obvious. I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still. A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
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I thought it was about 'chasing the dragon' - ie heating a resinous substance on tinfoil with a lighter and inhaling the fumes, this is probably less bad for you than smoking stuff in a cigarette form. Although hookah pipes with resin are probably healthier still. Myself and a couple of friends of mine were talking about this before and someone suggested that ingestion in cakes was healthier still and more "effective". I don't know if this is the case but i'm nosy so if anyone knows the answer please let us (or me privatly) know.
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 04:25:26PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: ingestion has several downsides - lack of control of dosage (assuming you eat it at a significant lump at a time), longer effects, stronger effects (making it hard to get dosage right) and also slow absorbtion. Though all of those could be advantages too :-) yes - perfect for that ozrics or hawkwind gig. A. -- A HREF = "http://termisoc.org/~betty" Betty @ termisoc.org /A "As a youngster Fred fought sea battles on the village pond using a complex system of signals he devised that was later adopted by the Royal Navy. " (this email has nothing to do with any organisation except me)
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[snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion] Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I have requested that she do so if she speaks to him. dave, getting this settled. -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Perl can certainly be used as a first computer language, but it was really designed to be a *last* computer language. - Larry Wall
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* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip lengthy Puff tMD discussion] Well, for what it's worth, I just called a friend of mine who knew Peter Yarrow while growing up, and although she has never asked him, I have requested that she do so if she speaks to him. dave, getting this settled. ah the joy of 7 degrees of seperation -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:32:47PM +, Marcel Grunauer wrote: How about "Smoking Perl" for Amsterdam? "YAPC::Europe::Amsterdam - A Week-Long Hashref" Alex
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"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 11:37:57AM +, Simon Wistow wrote: David Hodgkinson wrote: Can I reserve 2 to go to the States? I guess I should enquire about sizes... Sure, no problem. Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand? Forget mine. They guy cried off when he found out they were for real. Pussy. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
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* Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll writes: Apparently Amsterdam.pm are looking for a design for YAPC::Europe 2001 ;-) however, having said that, still like the # , ! , perl one ;-) that ought to be |\/| | \__/ | |______| \ / | | | | | hash bang perl | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |/\| i know, i was protecting simon's trademarks, besides this is just the sort of thing that gives perl a bad name (i'll have an XXL simon) I'd like to set up a standing order for 2 of the largest size you can do of each new design as they are produced. In actual fact thinking about it, best make that 4 of. Cheques at monthly intervals okay? Neil. -- Neil C. Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.binky.ourshack.org
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It's been done. But go for it.
http://www.uiowa.edu/~commstud/adclass/camel/images/motorcycle.jpg
(http://www.uiowa.edu/~commstud/adclass/camel/JoeCool.html)
S.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Alex Page wrote:
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 12:59:44PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
There is a temptation to insert a joint into the mouth of the "Republic of
Perl" camel. Of course this would never happen[1].
[1] Something tells me that would have to be a trademark thing that O'Reilly
would protect.
IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not
making profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable).
Alex
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trade mark parody (Re: PIMB T-shirts)
On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 08:09:55AM -0500, Alex Page wrote: IANAL, but AFAIK parody is protected under trademark law, as long as you're not making profit (I presume beer money for the hassle of T-shirt making is excusable). IANAL either, but I think it's quite complicated. "More interestingly the Court held that in trade mark law, there is no "parody" defence to an infringement action." (from http://www.bristows.com/news/news_items/elvis.html) Other cases seem to contradict that view though. Also relevant is http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v5n1/blake51.html#infringet paragraph 48: "derogotary use", involving the "suggestion of an unwholesome, or unsavoury association" seems to qualify as infringement in the US. Don't we have someone here who *is* a lawyer? :-) .robin.
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, you wrote: however, having said that, still like the # , ! , perl one ;-) that ought to be |\/| | \__/ | |______| \ / | | | | | hash bang perl | | | careful now fellas .. that is a bit risque' .. cant you stick with something less contraversial .. like semi naked hooters girls or summink?? :)) wouldn't want to upset our corporate overlords now would we ... (err thats a joke by the way before anybody says anything ..) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
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Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Hodgkinson wrote: Are there any of these left? Yeah, I've got about 10 or so left I think. Can I reserve 2 to go to the States? I guess I should enquire about sizes... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
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On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 11:37:57AM +, Simon Wistow wrote: David Hodgkinson wrote: Can I reserve 2 to go to the States? I guess I should enquire about sizes... Sure, no problem. Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand? -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "I... would... like... the... Screamin'... Jay... Hawkins... box set... and DVD... please" - #9 Sign Someone Has Cast a Spell On You
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"David H. Adler" wrote: Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand? Yup. Might eb up for doing anohter run if necessary. Plus I have some other ideas.
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* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: "David H. Adler" wrote: Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand? Yup. Might eb up for doing anohter run if necessary. Plus I have some other ideas. Apparently Amsterdam.pm are looking for a design for YAPC::Europe 2001 ;-) however, having said that, still like the # , ! , perl one ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 06:04:42PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: "David H. Adler" wrote: Shall I enquire at NY.pm tomorrow about demand? Yup. Might eb up for doing anohter run if necessary. Plus I have some other ideas. Doctor incarnation=secondI think this is one of those instances were discretion is the better part of valour. Simon has an idea./Doctor dha :-) -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "Life is so hard, you know that sometimes it seems the good guys only win, when the bad guys leave." - The Jim Basnight Thing
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:39:07AM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Are there any of these left? And how can we get them to the states? Now that I think of it, do the vienna/belfast contingents still have the ones that didn't make it here last month? I know at least a couple of ny.pm people want them... dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ It's amazing what giant mutant ants that are the result of Man's dabbling with the power of atomic energy can accomplish when they set themselves to the task.- Mark Rogaski
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"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 09:39:07AM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Are there any of these left? And how can we get them to the states? Now that I think of it, do the vienna/belfast contingents still have the ones that didn't make it here last month? I know at least a couple of ny.pm people want them... This is where my two are going. I'm going to the states "soon" but there's nothing certain. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
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On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 07:29:31PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: I'm going to the states "soon" but there's nothing certain. Keep me informed. I'll call a meeting. dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "Well, sure, being a ruthless godless dictator is fun, but it's all about the fans!" - Public Broadcast of His Imperial Majesty, Dimension 431-q-fhd
