Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Richard Clamp wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 05:07:31PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > > So, no http://london.pm/ right now :-( > > > > But maybe in the future![1] > > Deja-Vu. We (being other people on the list, and not actually me) > tried this about 2 years ago, with almost exactly the same results. > Back then they were going to do it 'in the future' or 'never' too. > I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the islands ISP ... I actually think that it was worse than that - people had been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about it and stopped them. Mind this kind of behaviour is a feature of all aspects of France's administration of its overseas territories not just internet domain registration. /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Quoting Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Philip Newton sent the following bits through the ether: > > > Someone brought up the possibility of the domain name london.pm. > > On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/ > Woohahaha. Did you read their amazingly long, diligently kept up meeting reports? With complete details of who ate what :-) Cheers, -- Merijn Broeren | Sometime in the middle ages, God got fed up with us Software Geek | and put earth at sol.milky-way.univ in his kill-file. | Pray all you want, it just gets junked.
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third >level domains with only two characters :( But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) Full list, courtesy Robin and IRC: perform dig @ns1.nic.uk uk axfr on your Unix box of choice. >Silly registrars. Silly rules. Some registrars are sillier than others. -- :: paul :: join us in creating excellence
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > From: "Leon Brocard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On a... related... topic: http://paris.mongueurs.net/ > > "Il y a davantage que l'one-way pour le faire" > > Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? If anyone does, > take a video camera and post it. You'd need a PhD in chemistry or work for > Pixar to get fireworks like that :-) i'm not sure if its just a glue language, i think there is some sort pig latin thing going on as well ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: > > >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, > >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third > >level domains with only two characters :( > > But organisations as diverse as the British Library... Perl users apparently. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:15:27AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote: > > On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: > > >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, > > >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third > > >level domains with only two characters :( > > But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the > > police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. > > Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is > > probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) > > That's for legacy reasons, IIRC. There's still a lot of suckage there. Do our beloved[1] leaders really need: gov.uk govt.uk parliament.uk ? And I think that national-engineering-laboratory.uk is taking the piss, too. -Dom [1] *choke*
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
Jonathan Stowe wrote: > I still have a bunch of e-mails from the guy who runs the > islands ISP ... SPMcable? > I actually think that it was worse than that - people had > been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about > it and stopped them. Which probably explains the number of IP addresses in links on http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/ . One of the IP addresses resolves backwards, for example, to spm.pm, but this address doesn't resolve forwards. But how could they use .pm without AFNIC's consent? Isn't it they who feed the root servers which enable people to do a DNS query on the .pm zone? There was also a site I looked at where someone was complaining about the deplorable state of Internet connections that appear to prevail there. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Paul Mison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: > > > > >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, > > >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third > > >level domains with only two characters :( > > > > But organisations as diverse as the British Library... > > Perl users apparently. > as are the people behind the OED IIRC thats a nice little advocacy idea a ``word association'' concept where you start out with something like the british library (perl users), go to OED (perl users) i.e. library <-> dictionary and so on, until we get a long list of people who use perl but in a neat relationship sequence thats the sort of silly game we could almost get published on www.perl.com, so who can go next British Library Oxford English Dictionary -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
linux kernel
You know Linux is becoming far to good when you learn about new architectures by looking at the kernel source. There i was innocently getting ready to do a 2.4.2 build this morn when i happened to glance in arch/ and found cris, wtf is cris i thought to myself it turns out i already new about the systems (etrax from axis) but still its a shock to see something in arch you don't recognise. Last time i looked was 2.3.37 with this . [gem@scully linux-2.3.37]$ ls arch/ alpha arm i386 m68k mips ppc sh sparc sparc64 and now . [gem@buffy linux-2.4.2]$ ls arch/ alpha cris ia64 mipsparisc s390 sh sparc64 armi386 m68k mips64 ppc s390x sparc they are busy little beavers in the linux kernel community (although i believe some of this is roling stuff in the main distro for 2.4, although i could be wrong) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: linux kernel
Greg McCarroll wrote: > There i was innocently getting ready to do a 2.4.2 build this morn > when i happened to glance in arch/ and found cris, wtf is cris > i thought to myself it turns out i already new about the systems > (etrax from axis) but still its a shock to see something in arch > you don't recognise. Ooh, isn't that the architecture used by the author of "Porting gcc for idiots" (or similar)? I had a look at that because I'm very vaguely contemplating getting a C compiler to MMIX (Knuth's pseudo-assembly language that will replace MIX). I'd need to get an enormous supply of tuits, and probably a compiler book or two, but who knows. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: linux kernel
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:40:08AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > [gem@scully linux-2.3.37]$ ls arch/ > alpha arm i386 m68k mips ppc sh sparc sparc64 You know that shell coders have gone too far when they have their own kernel architecture. -Dom
Re: linux kernel
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:40:08AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > [gem@scully linux-2.3.37]$ ls arch/ > > alpha arm i386 m68k mips ppc sh sparc sparc64 > > You know that shell coders have gone too far when they have their own > kernel architecture. > also before anyone points out the time setting on my laptop, i've decided now i'm not going to change it as it will be right again in a few weeks -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:39:09AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > > I actually think that it was worse than that - people had > > been using the .pm TLD and then AFNIC got a little eggy about > > it and stopped them. > > Which probably explains the number of IP addresses in links on > http://www.st-pierre-et-miquelon.com/ . One of the IP addresses resolves > backwards, for example, to spm.pm, but this address doesn't resolve > forwards. > > But how could they use .pm without AFNIC's consent? Isn't it they who feed > the root servers which enable people to do a DNS query on the .pm zone? IIRC AFNIC did originally let them register but when the French government asked them to close the registry (ASKED them, you will note, they were not under any compulsion to do so) they simply deleted all the domains. > There was also a site I looked at where someone was complaining about the > deplorable state of Internet connections that appear to prevail there. With such a small population there's no incentive for commercial enterprises to enter the market, which is already saturated by one ISP (who I hear wouldn't know their bind from their sendmail). And the French government doesn't give a flying fuck so isn't going to do their duty and subsidise a good-quality service. And then the fact that the local telco is France Telecom doesn't help either. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
The Last Post.....
Hi folks, Seeing as tw2 has finally had it's financial plug pulled, this email address is about to be unsubscribed. I still have my home account subscribed and I'll hopefully get back into the swing of things once I get a new job sorted out. It might be a while before I get down to London for more meetings, much to my annoyance as I was looking forward to meeting Damian Conway again, but if any of you happen to be in or around Birmingham feel free to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you can help me drown my sorrows (as if I needed an excuse). Later guys... Barbie.
Greetings
Hello All , I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the illustrious London.pm , so here I am . Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page . Toodle-pip Amias
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote: > Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds. it is amusing to make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Greetings
At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:18:02 +, Amias Channer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello All , > > I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact > with the illustrious London.pm , so here I am . > Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the > page . The Bath -> London exodus continues :) Hello Amias, welcome to London. The only frequently asked questions on this list are "Is Buffy sexier than Willow?" (answer "of course not, don't be so bloody stupid!", "can I have a pony?" (answer "maybe") and "whose round is it" (answer "muttley's"). Hope that helps! Dave... p.s. Hope to meet you on Monday night at the Conway Lecture.
Re: Greetings
>Hello All , > >I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the >illustrious London.pm , so here I am . >Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page . > >Toodle-pip >Amias London.pm FAQ Question: Why? Answer: Because Dave Told Us To Question: Anything else? Answer: http://london.pm.org :-) Meil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Last Post.....
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote: > It might be a while before I get down to London for more meetings, much > to my annoyance as I was looking forward to meeting Damian Conway again, i am driving down on Monday afternoon, to do the Conway ting and returning late that night ... if you wanna lift lemme know -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
RE: No http://london.pm/ :-(
> From: Robin Szemeti [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? > > ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little > horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds. it is amusing to > make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. There's a sweet irony in describing English as a global Lingua Franca... particularly given the sensitivities of our Gallic brethren - quite galling for them I'm sure :-) While we're at it, there's an urban myth that sometimes pops up, to the effect that German almost became the official language of the U.S., missing out by one or two votes. IIRC, the reality is that in one state there was once a vote on whether the laws should *also* be published in German (for the benefit of immigrants), which was defeated by a couple of votes - not quite the same thing as making German the official language of the U.S.! Andrew.
Re: Greetings
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:18:02 +, Amias Channer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello All , > > > > I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact > > with the illustrious London.pm , so here I am . > > Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the > > page . > > The Bath -> London exodus continues :) > > Hello Amias, welcome to London. > > The only frequently asked questions on this list are "Is Buffy sexier > than Willow?" (answer "of course not, don't be so bloody stupid!", > "can I have a pony?" (answer "maybe") and "whose round is it" (answer > "muttley's"). although i may disagree with the first, i don't wish to comment. however there are more important questions ... Q. When are social meetings? A. On the day after the first wednesday of the month. Q. What do I say If I am arrested for anything connected with London.pm? A. Dave Cross told me/us to do it. Q. Who collects spam and rice? A. Dave C. Q. What should I drink? A1. TVRs A2. Lots Q. What is a TVR? A. Tequilla, Vodka and Redbull. Q. What is good to eat at the local curry house? A. Chicken Chilli Massala. hth -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Greetings
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:18:02AM +, Amias Channer wrote: > I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the > illustrious London.pm , so here I am . > Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page . All your questions will be answered at http://dave.told.us.to -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
Re: Greetings
I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing . Toodle-pip Amias > > The Bath -> London exodus continues :) > > Hello Amias, welcome to London. > > The only frequently asked questions on this list are "Is Buffy sexier > than Willow?" (answer "of course not, don't be so bloody stupid!", > "can I have a pony?" (answer "maybe") and "whose round is it" (answer > "muttley's"). > > Hope that helps! > > Dave... > > p.s. Hope to meet you on Monday night at the Conway Lecture.
Re[2]: Greetings
Friday, February 23, 2001, 12:40:19 PM, grep wrote: <> Q: What is the best way to protect and add value to domestic felines? A: Gold plate -- mike
Re: DMP Availability
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: > Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it > doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing > wrong. Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it. Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message you're replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. If you're not going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: header in, so threading algorithms work properly. (Well, threading algorithms which aren't broken, like mine, which manages to put the same message in the thread tree multiple times under conditions known only to itself) -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I washed a sock. Then I put it in the dryer. When I took it out, it was gone." -- Steven Wright
Re: DMP Availability
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:50:44AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message you're > replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. If you're not > going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: header in, so threading > algorithms work properly. (Well, threading algorithms which aren't broken, > like mine, which manages to put the same message in the thread tree multiple > times under conditions known only to itself) JWZ has a good discussion on threading algorithms: http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html -Dom
Re: Greetings
At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:40:19 +, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Q. When are social meetings? > A. On the day after the first wednesday of the month. Please stop confusing the newcomers. London.pm social meetings are _always_ on the first Thursday of the month. Some sad individuals have a problem with that and insist on using other arcane calculations for the meeting date. This only results in problems when the _official_ meetings are on the 1st of the month. On months like this (and March will be one such month) you may well see talk of a 'heretics meeting' on the 8th. Hope this is clearer now. Dave...
Re: Greetings
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:52:52AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 11:30:13AM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > > All your questions will be answered at http://dave.told.us.to > > Someone seems to have mis-spelled "TVR" as "beer". Ye gods! The webmaster has been taken out and shot. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
Re: DMP Availability
At Fri, 23 Feb 11:50:37 2001 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: > > Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it > > doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing > > wrong. > > Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it. That's semi-intentional. My company is called Magnum Solutions so we have as much right to use the initials as Microsoft. It amuses me that my Perl doodlings might be mistaken for Microsoft software. > Also, you're just copying the References: header from the message > you're replying to, when you should be appending its Message-id: too. Hmm... thought I was doing that. I'll check the code tonight. > If you're not going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: > header in, so threading algorithms work properly. (Well, threading > algorithms which aren't broken, like mine, which manages to put the > same message in the thread tree multiple times under conditions known > only to itself) Or, I suppose, I could do both. OR would that break stuff? Cheers, Dave...
Re: Greetings
* Amias Channer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing . > can't i even persuade your vote away from the cult of willow for any of the following Cordelia Dru Darla Evil Vampire Willow The teacher who turned out to be a praying mantis well, come on Amias you know it makes sense, move away from the evil cult of willow and step into the light? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Greetings
Michael Stevens wrote: > Question: 8uffy or willow? > Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet > been reached. That's because some people just won't see the light :-) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Greetings
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 12:55:50PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Amias Channer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing . > > can't i even persuade your vote away from the cult of willow for any of > the following > > Cordelia > Dru > Darla > Evil Vampire Willow Ho yus! Anybody who can wear that much leather and still pout gets my vote! > The teacher who turned out to be a praying mantis > > well, come on Amias you know it makes sense, move away from the > evil cult of willow and step into the light? -Dom
Re: Greetings
* at 23/02 15:08 +0100 Philip Newton said: > Michael Stevens wrote: > > Question: 8uffy or willow? > > Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet > > been reached. > > That's because some people just won't see the light :-) TMTOWTDI surely? struan
Re: Greetings
At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Amias Channer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing . > > > > can't i even persuade your vote away from the cult of willow for any > of the following > > Cordelia Airhead > Dru Dead Airhead > Darla "Small Blonde" (And dead. Or alive. Or something!) > Evil Vampire Willow Doesn't count - same person > The teacher who turned out to be a praying mantis Too long since I watched that episode. > well, come on Amias you know it makes sense, move away from the > evil cult of willow and step into the light? And how come you left off your list the two women that might just sway my vote away from Willow - Anya and Jenny Calendar. Dave...
Re: Greetings
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 02:08:25PM +, Struan Donald wrote: > * at 23/02 15:08 +0100 Philip Newton said: > > Michael Stevens wrote: > > > Question: 8uffy or willow? > > > Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet > > > been reached. > > > > That's because some people just won't see the light :-) > > TMTOWTDI surely? Must refrain from saying what came to mind... grrr! --james. PGP signature
RE: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, you wrote: > > From: Robin Szemeti [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Has anyone yet called French a glue language for English? > > > > ahh ... but what it boils down to is you are indulging in a little > > horse play at the expense of our Gallic freinds. it is amusing to > > make thes little remarks on the hoof is it not? .. > > There's a sweet irony in describing English as a global Lingua Franca... > particularly given the sensitivities of our Gallic brethren - quite galling > for them I'm sure :-) hmm .. what .. err .. I was just trying to get to use the words horse, hoof and boils down just because someone mentioned French and glue in the same sentence .. if you are trying to construct some sort of reasoned argument out it .. well ... ok .. I'll give it a go ;)) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Class::DBI + job posting
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, you wrote: > sorry for the waste of time - i'll get back to my discussion about > changing richard's sierra into a lean mean robot killing machine of course in my 'other' persona I've already been there and done (or at least was involved in) that ... the major problems are the rules (which are designed to make sure you don;t actually hurt the house robots) and the rules (which are also designed to makes sure all the really kewl weaponry is illegal, no flame throwers, harpoon guns etc). Lastly the rules are a bit of a problem too, on telly it looks like an 'anything goes' open combat stuation .. in reallity its very tightly administrated and designed not to let you kill and mutilate the house bots, and make you look good on telly. -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Greetings
Dave Cross wrote: > At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cordelia > Airhead Arrogant, too. IMO. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Greetings
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > And how come you left off your list the two women that might just sway > my vote away from Willow - Anya and Jenny Calendar. > because i havent completed my training as a fully fledged fanboy and hence cannot write complete lists at a drop of a hat ;-) besides Anya/Anyanka has looked a bit grim in the past - especially when she was still a demon but she's no longer immortal and is just finishing up her now mortal existance (i guess that means the demon was kill -1'd ;-) ) god i'm glad its friday so i can regain some sanity Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: Greetings
> > > Cordelia > > Airhead > > Arrogant, too. IMO. Being a 8uffy refusenik, I'm a little confused by this conversation. Do you think there might be any websites about 8uffy of Sarah Michelle Gellar out there that I can trawl for info? I know it's a long shot. Hem. :) -- matt jones 'You will not know where we have struck until you have fallen.'
Re: Greetings
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Dave Cross wrote: > > At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Cordelia > > Airhead > > Arrogant, too. IMO. > have you folks never seen Angel? -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Greetings
At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:31:25 +, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Dave Cross wrote: > > > At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:55:50 +, Greg McCarroll > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Cordelia > > > Airhead > > > > Arrogant, too. IMO. > > have you folks never seen Angel? Sure I've seen him. Moody. Dead. Male. I just don't think we'd be a good match :) Dave...
Damian on Sunday
I've decided to go back to my origianl plan for Sunday night and have an impromptu social evening with Damian. Everyone welcome. Rather than going into huge debates about which pub to go to, let's stick with something we know and meet in the Penderels Oak. From about 6pm. See you there, Dave...
Re: Greetings
* at 23/02 14:24 - Matthew Jones said: > > > > Cordelia > > > Airhead > > > > Arrogant, too. IMO. > > Being a 8uffy refusenik, I'm a little confused by this conversation. Do you > think there might be any websites about 8uffy of Sarah Michelle Gellar out > there that I can trawl for info? I know it's a long shot. i believe some people have put the odd page up. some of them may have pictures. struan (or try http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ i think)
Re: No http://london.pm/ :-(
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 10:06:07AM +, Paul Mison wrote: > > On 22/02/2001 at 16:24 +, Dave Cross wrote: > > >IIRC we also investigated the possibility of registering pm.org.uk, > > >but Nominet have a silly rule that prevents anyone from having third > > >level domains with only two characters :( > > But organisations as diverse as the British Library, Parliament, the > > police and the NHS all get second level domains in the UK heirarchy. > > Grr. Argh. (The British Library can be found at http://bl.uk/ which is > > probably the shortest possible UK web server address.) > > That's for legacy reasons, IIRC. I like jumbo.jet.uk which iirc is the nameserver for the Joint European Torus ... /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: The Conway Lecture
On Feb 20, 5:53pm, Paul Makepeace wrote: > What is the big deal with this lecture? There isn't that much weirdness -- > it's just parallelising comparisons. Just 'cos it has "Quantum" in it doesn't > make it hard. Sorry, I saw the word "Quantum" and gave up trying to understand your email. :-) Actually, on a related, but wildly off-topic matter, does anyone know if there's any known relationship between the Plank length and c? A -- Andy Wardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Signature regenerating. Please remain seated. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For a good time: http://www.kfs.org/~abw/
Re: Greetings
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Amias Channer wrote: > Hello All , > > I've just moved to London from Bath and thought i should make contact with the > illustrious London.pm , Crazeee Fool >so here I am . > Is there an FAQ for this mailing list ? I couldn't see one on the page . The FAQ is "Buffy, Diesel Cans, TVRs". /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Greetings
> > have you folks never seen Angel?
> I've never seen Angel.
It's a really nice part of London, if it wasn't for all the nu meeja
hors. You really should see it sometime.
Oh, right, you mean the person? He sits behind me. Nice bloke.
Other things that should go in the FAQ:
Q. How do I advertise a job on the list.
A. If you're a recruiter, you don't. Anyone else should advertise it with
a subject line starting JOB:
Q. What's the IRC thing?
A. london.rhizomatic.net, 6667, #london.pm
Q. What's dipsy on the irc channel?
A. An infobot. http://www.infobot.org
Q. What's dadadodo on irc
A. It's a bot that listens to everything everyone says on the channel and
uses some maths to build statistically likely (but mostly
nonsensical) statements.
Q. What templating system should I use?
A. Template Toolkit. It's much nicer than the others, and Andy has given
us good talks. You should also look at www.axkit.org for a more XML
like solution. This issue has been done to death. YMMV, and you
should be aware that other templating solutions are also avaliable.
Q. There's too much going on! How do I keep up?
A. Read Leon's weekly summaries, which he posts to the list
Q. How many people subscribe to the list
A. A lot more than post.
Q. Oooops I missed a load of posts. Are there any archives?
A. Yes. http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/
Q. This stuff is archived? How do I stop this happening?
A. < please someone fill this in >
Q. What is PIMB?
A. 'Perl is my B*tch', a tshirt made by Simon Wistow that got him into a
lot of trouble.
Q. You've got a server?
A. Yep, it's what hosts london.pm.org. People that once paid cash for
this have shell accounts on it. One day we hope to move the list to
it. It's currently in State51 and what jolly nice people they are too.
Q. You've got a camel?
A. Yep, it's in London Zoo and we sponsor it. People who put money
towards it are planning to visit it at some point.
Q. What do I do if I've got more questions?
A. Post to the list. It's a social list with a heavy technical
slant. Or go ask dipsy on #london.pm
Later.
Mark.
(oooh, someone could collect these and put them on the web page)
--
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Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web => 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: DMP Availability
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:53:24 +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > JWZ has a good discussion on threading algorithms: > > http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html Thanks very much. From a quick skim, that looks somewhat similar to the scheme I've come up with through trial and error. However, I currently allow empty containers at any point in the tree which isn't a leaf, and which doesn't only have one empty container child. I'll look through it in detail when I haven't just been getting annoyed with my own algorithm so much. Actually, the biggest problem I have with threading is Gtk's behaviour. When you double click on a CTree branch, it toggles the expansion state, which is highly annoying. I can untoggle it in most cases, but that can result in strange scrolling, leading to weird selections being left behind. Also, if it's an empty container being double clicked, I want to display the first real message, but that prevents me from untoggling the branch, somehow. I guess it would be a good idea to word-wrap message bodies, too... -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vagueness is one of those things...
Re: Greetings
At Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:28:28 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ FAQs and (even better) answers ] /me applauds heartily > (oooh, someone could collect these and put them on the web page) OK. If anyone else wants to add stuff to the list, I'll edit them together and put them on the web page in the not too distant future. Dave...
Re: Greetings
Mark Fowler wrote: > Q. Oooops I missed a load of posts. Are there any archives? > A. Yes. http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/ > > Q. This stuff is archived? How do I stop this happening? > A. < please someone fill this in > There's not a whole lot anyone can do to stop this happening, is there really? Options that come to mind are: - don't post to the list, then nothing you write will be archived - unsubscribe the archivebot, archive@jab.org (IIRC), from the list, be forging an unsubscription - lobby Jonathan Stowe to unsubscribe the archivebot - hang Philip Newton who subscribed the archivebot to the list in the first place - just accept the status quo. Is there anything else? (Note that most suggestions will not prevent anyone from (a) archiving the list themselves or (b) re-subscribing mail-archive.com's archivebot or, indeed, any other archivebot to the list.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: The Conway Lecture
"Andy Wardley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Actually, on a related, but wildly off-topic matter, does anyone know if > there's any known relationship between the Plank length and c? I do know that the plank is always marginally shorter than the alcove you're trying to build shelves into... HTH -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: DMP Availability
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:01:31 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: > At Fri, 23 Feb 11:50:37 2001 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:54:50 -0500 (EST), Dave Cross wrote: > > > Unfortunately, as it's a very primitive webmail (written by me) it > > > doesn't store the outgoing mails, so I can't see what I'm doing > > > wrong. > > > > Why call it "ms-webmail"? Makes it sound like MicroSoft wrote it. > > That's semi-intentional. My company is called Magnum Solutions so we > have as much right to use the initials as Microsoft. It amuses me that > my Perl doodlings might be mistaken for Microsoft software. I'd forgotten the name of your company. Makes sense now, and I appreciate the joke. > > If you're not going to do that, then at least stick an In-reply-to: > > header in, so threading algorithms work properly. (Well, threading > > algorithms which aren't broken, like mine, which manages to put the > > same message in the thread tree multiple times under conditions known > > only to itself) > > Or, I suppose, I could do both. OR would that break stuff? Of course not, that's what you're supposed to do. I just stick In-reply-to: on the end of References: unless it was already there. All I need is some decent (ie. existent) documentation, and I might be ready to release this thing. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did Modula-2 at university but I didn't inhale
Re: Greetings
On Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 03:28:28PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: > Q. This stuff is archived? How do I stop this happening? > A. < please someone fill this in > The usual way is to add an X-No-Archive header. It is, however, entirely up to archivers whether to honour that request. As a random example, my own archiver does not*. In general, you should assume that anything you say on the net will be archived by someone somewhere. If you don't mean it, don't say it. * - don't worry, my archive is password protected -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
T-shirts for Monday
This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian? Thoughts? Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: T-shirts for Monday
Neil Ford wrote: > > This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new > tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather Place said they couldn't do it in time. That doesn't rule out Prontaprint though :) > Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for > Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian? I'll bring the 8 or so I have left as well.
Re: T-shirts for Monday
>Neil Ford wrote: >> >> This isn't a question about any possible plans to produce a new >> tshirt design for Monday :-) but rather > >Place said they couldn't do it in time. That doesn't rule out >Prontaprint though :) > Oh well, some other time maybe (for YAPC::Europe?). >> Are we going to try and get as many PIMB tshirts in the audiance for >> Monday? We could even get a photo with Damian? > >I'll bring the 8 or so I have left as well. Excellent. We should probably present one to Damian. Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Yet Another Computer Solutions Company [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Greetings
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> I wibbled:
> > (oooh, someone could collect these and put them on the web page)
>
> OK. If anyone else wants to add stuff to the list, I'll edit them
> together and put them on the web page in the not too distant future.
Q: What do I do with all this cash that I've got left over after hiring
someone from the list and not having to pay recruiters fees?
A: When people hire people from the list they normally donate 500 usd to
1000 usd (depending on the role) to YAS (http://www.yetanother.org/)
Later.
Mark.
--
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Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web => 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: Greetings
> I'd go for willow , it's a hippy thing . I'd go for willow , it's a band camp thing .
Re: DMP Availability
Quoting Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > That's semi-intentional. My company is called Magnum Solutions so we > have as much right to use the initials as Microsoft. It amuses me that > my Perl doodlings might be mistaken for Microsoft software. > On that note, in the javaworld it is the idea that you name your classes starting with your domainname reversed. So com.shell.Business.RipofPrice.Petrol etc. Microsoft has taken to naming their java stuff com.ms.* Guess who owns ms.com? That's right, and we are *not* inclined to sell it to them. They tried though. :-) Cheers, -- Merijn Broeren | Sometime in the middle ages, God got fed up with us Software Geek | and put earth at sol.milky-way.univ in his kill-file. | Pray all you want, it just gets junked.
Off the grid.
Right, that's it. I've had enough.
I'm off the 'net for little over a week - I'm trying an experiment to see
what happens if I don't use a computer for a week. This is a sanity
recovering exercise. I'll let you know what happens.
See you at the meetings. Those of you that I've arranged to do stuff, call
me about it, okay?
Later.
Mark.
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web => 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: DMP Availability
Quoting Merijn Broeren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Guess who owns ms.com? > On checking who was first, I did a whois microsoft.com What can I say but : MICROSOFT.COM.WHOIS.RESULTS.MAKE.A.GREAT.HUMOUR-LIST.COM DNS grafitti, who would have thought... -- Merijn Broeren | Sometime in the middle ages, God got fed up with us Software Geek | and put earth at sol.milky-way.univ in his kill-file. | Pray all you want, it just gets junked.
Re: Greetings
Marcel Grunauer writes: > This London.pm strategy is known as "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep". > Are you sure that shouldn't be Sooty and Sweep? -- Brian Raven I suppose you could switch grammars once you've seen "use strict subs". :-) -- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Greetings
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Marcel Grunauer wrote: > > Michael Stevens writes: > > >Question: pony? > >Answer: pony pony pony. > > > >Question: 8uffy or willow? > >Answer: a controversial issue on which no consensus has yet been reached. > > Also a point of note might be that > > We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt > to service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile. > > This London.pm strategy is known as "embrace and extend" aka "mark and sweep". > Mark and sweep, garbage collection, joke : "If Java's garbage collection is so good then why doesnt it delete the program file upon execution" /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
Re: Greetings
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: > A: When people hire people from the list they normally donate 500 usd to >1000 usd (depending on the role) to YAS (http://www.yetanother.org/) By the way, I'd just like to announce that Emap has donated 500 squid to YAS. This may have happened before we were all made redundant and after Aaron was hired. Way to go Leo! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Oh goody! Another Muranium Explosive Space Modulator!
