Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Epihany is pretty good since 3.0, very stable.Midori became pretty much an Elementary browser and looks a little odd now, but Epiphany is well integrated, it looks like a cute mini Firefox.I believe dependencies are like Midori.Epiphany used to be not as good as Midori but the GNOME-devs worked real hard, and it shows.With Epiphany we are 100% sure we have GTK3 and there are more developers then Midori has. If you try, don´t install epiphany but epiphany-browser, because epiphany is a game. :P -Glenn Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:57:02 -0200 From: gabrielper...@gmail.com To: amjja...@gmail.com CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium? Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the next version, Chromium will be heavyweight. I think most of the people agree that Midori isn't really an option, and I never tested Arora to give my opinion about this one. .In a way or another, I believe that the best option for now if Firefox. Gabriel Salles ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under Windows and OS X. The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent test is at: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium. Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Are those benchmarks from Tom's Hardware documented at all? Maybe we could rebuild those benchmarks for linux? When they are run on a low-spec machine then the results should be the same on other machines. User tests should be done to verify the results aren't just laboratory results. I might be interested to builds those benchmarks systems, but would need help with making them. With metta, Chris On Nov 6, 2011 8:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under Windows and OS X. The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent test is at: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium. Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
I have a P4 PC with 512MB RAM but I can drop that to 256. I'm ready for such tests ;) Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from Julien and others about that. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under Windows and OS X. The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent test is at: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium. Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...). - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which explain it). - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine. So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Regards, Julien Lavergne I DO AGREE with each and every word, period :) On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...). - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which explain it). - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine. So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Regards, Julien Lavergne On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100 A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox in 12.04. I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth looking into. Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement. I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do some benchmarks in the near future. However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when having several tabs open (more than 3). Other reasons to switch: GTK3 Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to include as default) What do you guys think? -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
I also agree. Both browsers are widely accepted work equally well for general use. I think the question should be a) do we want to pick one and stick with it for the sake of consistency or b) always choose the lightest of the two?Tim-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Nov 5, 2011 9:07 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...). - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which explain it). - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine. So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Regards, Julien Lavergne On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100 "A. Andjelkovic" andjelko...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox in 12.04. I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth looking into. Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement. I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do some benchmarks in the near future. However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when having several tabs open (more than 3). Other reasons to switch: GTK3 Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to include as default) What do you guys think? -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit : Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from Julien and others about that. Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :) And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider other aspects. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
@ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :) Whatever in your mind, let me know and I'll be more than glad to do it :) Don't have specific ideas at the time being. I'm willing to open many tabs and monitor that. Don't have special tools to do such job. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.comwrote: Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0. Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail: Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm missing? (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser) The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less dependencies). I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine... @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :) -- JpXsat __**_ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.**launchpad.netlubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelphttps://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :) And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider other aspects. Yes, I realized it could be a bad idea for now. Let's first decide, we as a team then we can go public. So, I just sent to Jean-Pierre. Any thing specific in your mind to test and compare these two browser? I have a P4 and can drop my RAM to 256MB (it shows 242MB actually on the Task Manager). Let me know :) On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit : Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from Julien and others about that. Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :) And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider other aspects. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Le 11/06/2011 08:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium. Yes, it missed 2 points : - memory management on Linux (we can't rely on Windows one to do proper comparison on Linux) - memory usage on a limited device At least, it shows that Firefox is probably much better than when we done the switch to Chromium. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have a second source of information. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le 11/06/2011 04:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0. Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail: Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm missing? (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser) The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less dependencies). I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine... @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :) -- JpXsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Just finished some testing using: Chromium 15.0.874.102 Firefox 7.0.1 No extensions, no tab history (tabs are clean). 1 tab (logged into gmail) chromium-browser: 50.1 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 83.9 MB firefox: 97.2 MB 2 tabs (logged into gmail, ubuntuforums.org) chromium-browser: 54.5 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 88.3 MB firefox: 97.4 MB Summary: Not only does Chromium start slightly faster, it still has lower memory usage with few tabs running. Firefox has improved A LOT however, we should keep our eyes open in the future. I don't know how much the gtk2 vs gtk3 issue affects us, but I suppose we should aim at only using gtk3 apps? On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have a second source of information. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Thank you for your test. I, however, have some doubt about the chromium test. Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so many differences? The most memory-demanding parts should be webkit and the graphics. I don't believe that the remaining parts can cause so much impact. A minimalist webkit browser with few features, midori, uses three times of memory required by chromium, a complicated and feature-rich webkit browser. Is that possible? I don't think so, and chromium even loads gtk2 as well. So the result is really questions. Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test? On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0. Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail: Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm missing? (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser) The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less dependencies). I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine... @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :) -- JpXsat __**_ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.**launchpad.netlubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~**lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelphttps://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Le 11/06/2011 05:52 PM, PCMan a écrit : Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so many differences? As far as I know, Chromium uses a patched webkit, that's probably why the tests could be different between midori, epiphany and chromium. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Proposal for browser benchmarks: - First of all, run the browsers without any add-on - Take starts time - Watch lxtask for memory usage cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows the memory used by each browser running too. Htop? - Watch the general behaviour - Sites: youtube, gmail, google, facebook, ubuntu forums (each alone, by groups of two, three, four and finally five - I don't think that old machines could support easily more than 5 tabs opened!) Let me know if this is enough, what else should be added or if i'm just talking nonsenses here :P -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:29:10 -0300 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal for browser benchmarks: - First of all, run the browsers without any add-on - Take starts time - Watch lxtask for memory usage cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows the memory used by each browser running too. Htop? - Watch the general behaviour - Sites: youtube, gmail, google, facebook, ubuntu forums (each alone, by groups of two, three, four and finally five - I don't think that old machines could support easily more than 5 tabs opened!) Let me know if this is enough, what else should be added or if i'm just talking nonsenses here :P Amount of physical RAM -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
*Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?* To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using. Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox. This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the final version of 11.10. Gabriel Salles ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Just a question. Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from there? I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are up-to-date then start some tests. We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc? Thanks! On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.comwrote: *Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?* To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using. Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox. This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the final version of 11.10. Gabriel Salles ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a log file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together. With metta, Chris On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 19:44, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question. Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from there? I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are up-to-date then start some tests. We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc? Thanks! On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.comwrote: *Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test? * To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using. Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox. This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the final version of 11.10. Gabriel Salles ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new account. Jeremy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:51:02 -0400 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion : - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...). - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which explain it). - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine. So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion. Another thing to consider, is this vacancy at Canonical for a WebKit/Chromium Software Engineer. https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICALcws=1rid=376 -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system) doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail. With metta, Chris On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 20:41, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:02:45 -0500 Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new account. Also need to ensure everybody is using the same, and latest, versions of the browsers. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
If you can create such a script, it helps a lot in other areas, too. We can use it to do benchmark for other components of lubuntu as well. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a log file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together. With metta, Chris On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 19:44, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote: Just a question. Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from there? I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are up-to-date then start some tests. We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc? Thanks! On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.comwrote: *Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?* To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using. Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox. This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the final version of 11.10. Gabriel Salles ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, *A.J amjjawad* Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread)http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 My Blog http://amjjawad.wordpress.com | My Wiki Pagehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad| My Launchpad https://launchpad.net/%7Eamjjawad | My Ubuntu Forum Profilehttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=941822 *~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || ** I walk by faith, not by sight **|| Imagination is more important than Knowledge || **Keep It Simple and Short** ~ * ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
On 6 November 2011 14:45, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system) doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail. With metta, Chris No, the Ubuntu Firefox and Chromium packages don't use the built-in update checker. Jeremy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?
I like the idea of a script.. at least for most of it. The one bugaboo will be doing start up and shut down tests. Maybe we could use an appropriate signal? I'm not sure which one would be used to cleanly shutdown the program, but, for example, with SIGTERM we could do: kill -n 15 $(pidof firefox) kill -n 15 $(pidof chromium-browse) We need to know what systems these are being run on. Therefore: uname -srov lsb_release -a cat /proc/cpuinfo cat /proc/meminfo We need to use new/fresh profiles. So: firefox -CreateProfile foo firefox -P foo space separated list of URLs to be opened in tabs chromium-browser --user-data-dir=foo space separated list of URLs to be opened in tabs One problem with this is that Chromium defaults to loading a choice of search engines.. so it's not technically started up. It IS important we use as many tabs as reasonable. There tends to be a bit of diversion in performance between browsers depending on the number of tabs opened. As for getting resource usage, I'm thinking that a good solution would be to use proc. Rather than try to follow a moving target (e.g. lxtask), something more static might be useful: cat /proc/$(pidof firefox) cat /proc/$(pidof chromium-browse) wxl/walter ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
