[lubuntu-users] C4C Lubuntu 16.04 ReSpin Released

[Eric Bradshaw]

All,

The C4C Lubuntu 16.04 ReSpin, a Christian operating system based on 
Lubuntu, has been released. It includes an array of Christian software 
and media, as well as useful secular packages. The C4C Lubuntu ReSpin 
removes five major default packages from Lubuntu, but adds twenty two. 
The 64-bit and 32-bit ISOs are freely available from 5 different 
locations [listed here 
http://computers4christians.org/FAQ/Install/Install.html] and are easily 
installed via DVD or USB. Run live to try out the OS, "rescue" files 
from a computer that no longer works properly and/or wipe all the files 
on a particular Hard Disk Drive. Instructions for all of the above are 
available right on the live desktop. Please enjoy.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] 16.04 on Raspberry Pi

[Andre Campos Rodovalho]

try to find the content you need to download here:
https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux



2016-06-01 20:00 GMT-03:00 Liam Proven :

> On 30 May 2016 at 21:30, Andre Campos Rodovalho
>  wrote:
> > Default kernel of Lubuntu 16.04 is 4.4. If you are booting to 4.1, that
> > might be the old 15.10 kernel...
> >
> > I suppose you can delete the kernel files to "force" the 4.4 kernel to
> > boot... This is only a guess,.. You might also be able to test if it
> works
> > by changing the kernel filename... Another guess...
>
>
> Here are the steps I found for installing the latest kernel:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi/RaspberryPi3
>
> This line fails:
>
> wget -O /tmp/mkknlimg
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/raspberrypi/tools/master/mkimage/mkknlimg
>
> ... the URL no longer seems to exist. Unfortunately, those are the
> only detailed instructions on kernel installation that I could find
> anywhere. :-(
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[lubuntu-users] C4C Lubuntu 16.04 ReSpin Released

[Eric Bradshaw]

  
  
All,


The C4C Lubuntu 16.04 ReSpin, a Christian operating system based on
Lubuntu, has been released.

It includes an array of Christian software and media, as
well as useful secular packages.

The C4C Lubuntu ReSpin removes five major default packages from
Lubuntu, but adds twenty two. The 64-bit and 32-bit ISOs are freely
available from 5 different locations [listed here
http://computers4christians.org/FAQ/Install/Install.html] and are
easily installed via DVD or USB.

Run live to try out the OS,

"rescue" files from a computer that no longer works properly and/or
wipe all the files on a particular Hard Disk Drive. Instructions for
all of the above are available right on the live desktop. Please
enjoy.

Eric
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu 16.04 Alternate from a USB stick No network

[Andre Campos Rodovalho]

It might help to debug if you remove the "quiet splash" kernel parameters
in GRUB. Can you do this on your USB boot drive?


2016-05-31 16:35 GMT-03:00 E James :

> On 31/05/16 17:50, Andre Campos Rodovalho wrote:
> > What is your video card?
> >
> > The longer story
> >
> > I have a Shuttle with an Athlon XP 2000+ cpu and 512MB ram. It is
> configured for dual boot - Windows (XP Pro) / Linux (now Lubuntu 14.04).
> > It was running Lubuntu 12.04 and I wanted to use ffmpeg but I got an
> error messsage - "illegal operation" so I thought to upgrade it to 16.04.
> > I have a 32GB usb stick which currently has 21 different
> boot/install options using YUMI multiboot. I wasn't sure if the PC would
> boot from it but it did, up to the point of the YUMI menu. Every option I
> tried from the menu would start to boot and then hang at apparently the
> same point in the boot process. The PC has a DVD drive but won't boot from
> DVD, only CD. The 16.04 Alternate iso won't fit on a CD. So I did a
> distribution upgrade to 14.04 and still ffmpeg wouldn't run. Then I caught
> on that the version of ffmpeg I was using was too modern for the cpu so I
> compiled one which worked. I can presumably do another upgrade to 16.04 if
> I still want it, but not until the option is available from the update
> manager. Currently the PC is doing what I want it to do ... slowly. I am in
> no hurry to make further changes.
> >
>
> I'm assuming you are referring to my Shuttle PC. I think this extract from
> lshw is what you want.
>
>*-display UNCLAIMED
> description: VGA compatible controller
> product: VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]
> vendor: S3 Graphics Ltd.
> physical id: 0
> bus info: pci@:01:00.0
> version: 00
> width: 32 bits
> clock: 66MHz
> capabilities: pm agp agp-2.0 vga_controller bus_master
> cap_list
> configuration: latency=32 maxlatency=255 mingnt=4
> resources: memory:ec00-ec07
> memory:e000-e7ff memory:ec08-ec08
>
> If you're thinking it might have something to do with the failure to boot
> from usb, there's another idea I stumbled across some time ago, possibly in
> connection with this PC. Apparently some boot processes temporarily disable
> the usb controller - not very helpful if you're using it to boot.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Israel]

Aere:
(inlines)
On 06/01/2016 09:13 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:

On 06/01/2016 05:57 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

..


Nio:

Though I wish there were a Lubuntu version that would boot from CD, 
from what I have seen over the years, if a big effort were made to 
make this possible, it would most likely be only a temporary victory.


As time goes on, new functionality goes into the kernel, and support 
for older machines is kept (again, we don't want to abandon those 
machines), so the kernel keeps getting bigger.  I would not want the 
kernel developers to remove support for older hardware, so removing 
older stuff to make room for the new is not (to me) a good idea.


They already have removed support for older computers, for example 
computers requiring cmov support in the kernel and also the entire issue 
of pae/non pae.

That is
Also, in the repository, as more useful things become available, those 
new things become used, and eventually become essential.  So again, 
the essential repository components' space on the install CD gradually 
grows.


So far, even my oldest machines have been able to boot from USB (using 
Plop), including using the older USB 1.0 ports, which are slow, but 
not impossibly slow).  My problems with booting from USB have been 
problems with the USB Creator software.


By the way, you can get USB 2.0 PCI cards (for a desktop), providing 
faster USB, and they are (were?) inexpensive.  Of course, that doesn't 
help for a laptop.


Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the 
alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate 
install version anyway.


This is, of course, my opinion on the subject.


It is possible to boot a USB from some computers via GRUB.
Some older computers do not even initialize the USB ports until much 
later (after the initial BIOS)

So the only option is a CD image.

In those situations users will be require to use the mini iso.
This is problematic, as a Live ISO is a good way to test hardware


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Re: [lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Mark Artman]

What is the graphics card in your ibook?

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016, 16:55 Israel  wrote:

> Hey Jack,
> if you are booting to a black screen then it is your graphics card (most
> likely).
> This is a problem that will require you to research some things but should
> likely be able to overcome.
> That said, it might be better to wait for a while before trying this
> distro...
> Often in the weeks before the Alpha is released there are some rather
> grievous issues on certain hardware (especially those requiring external
> graphics modules)
>
>
> On 06/01/2016 04:14 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
>
> this is an asus eeepc 1000. after following the above, running a lot of
> updates
> finishing with creating a new initrd.img.  i386, intel
>
> still same problem, headed back to grub,...
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:
>
>> To help further diagnose, what you are waiting for is the startup of
>> lightdm.
>>
>> I can't provide any further help from there as I don't know.
>>
>> Good luck!
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Re: [lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Israel]

Hey Jack,
if you are booting to a black screen then it is your graphics card (most 
likely).
This is a problem that will require you to research some things but 
should likely be able to overcome.
That said, it might be better to wait for a while before trying this 
distro...
Often in the weeks before the Alpha is released there are some rather 
grievous issues on certain hardware (especially those requiring external 
graphics modules)


On 06/01/2016 04:14 PM, Jack Craig wrote:
this is an asus eeepc 1000. after following the above, running a lot 
of updates

finishing with creating a new initrd.img.  i386, intel

still same problem, headed back to grub,...

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Simon Quigley > wrote:


To help further diagnose, what you are waiting for is the startup of
lightdm.

I can't provide any further help from there as I don't know.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Fritz Hudnut]

Jack:

Haven't been exactly following the thread, but have you been able to boot a
"live" DVD or USB of whatever system that are then trying to install?  Or,
you are just "installing"??  Usually I test out the system . . . and if you
can get to a GUI before installing it, that might be indicative of
installer issues???  And, then test around for what distro/flavor
boots/runs in "live" . . . or figure out what boot params you might need .
. . then, try an install of what runs in "live" . . . is my general advice
. . . .  Rather that than re-writing all kinds of files while trying to get
it installed . . . keeping it simple on the install is "better" . . . .

F

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jack Craig 
wrote:

> this is an asus eeepc 1000. after following the above, running a lot of
> updates
> finishing with creating a new initrd.img.  i386, intel
>
> still same problem, headed back to grub,...
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:
>
>> To help further diagnose, what you are waiting for is the startup of
>> lightdm.
>>
>> I can't provide any further help from there as I don't know.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Jack Craig]

this is an asus eeepc 1000. after following the above, running a lot of
updates
finishing with creating a new initrd.img.  i386, intel

still same problem, headed back to grub,...

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Simon Quigley  wrote:

> To help further diagnose, what you are waiting for is the startup of
> lightdm.
>
> I can't provide any further help from there as I don't know.
>
> Good luck!
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Simon Quigley]

To help further diagnose, what you are waiting for is the startup of
lightdm.

I can't provide any further help from there as I don't know.

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[lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Fritz Hudnut]

> hi list,
>
> after various 12.04, 16.04, and now 16.10, i am getting a consistent
> failure
> on reboot after install.  if i go bak & reinstall, comes up fine, but
> reboot after good install so far gives no joy.
>
> on reboot, it puts out the fsck,
>
> /dev/sda1;clean, 1229900/420024 files 767048/171000 blocks
>
> on a black screen and keeps flipping to F7 too fast for a login
> on virtual console.  i tried F1 or F2, there are login prompts, but not
>

Jack, et al:

On both of my PPC 16.04 installs, Lu on a G4 iBook, and MATE on a G4 PM . .
. I get this same "output" data . . . and it takes awhile of waiting . . .
and then, very slowly the log in window appears in GUI . . . .  Other
people on the Apple user sub-forum were experiencing this, or similar data
giving "i2s" problems . . . and they thought it wasn't booting . . . .

So, possibly that might be what might be happening  ???  If you just let it
sit there . . . it might "figure it out"???  Of course, all the usuals, the
md5sum number checks out properly??

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Re: [lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Simon Quigley]

Hi Jack,

When you boot up, hold your Shift key down to get your GRUB menu.

Select: Advanced Options for Ubuntu
Select: Ubuntu, with Linux VERSION (recovery mode)

When you boot up:
Select: root

It should bring you to a root console.

DISCLAIMER: Be *very* careful as this doesn't have the usual restrictions and 
you could *permanently* damage your system if you don't follow my instructions.

Next, type the following to remount / as a readable and writable partition:

mount -o remount,rw /

Then, if you had /home or anything else on separate partitions, run:

mount --all

Then, after that, run the following to ensure Lubuntu is installed:

apt update && apt install lubuntu-desktop

I haven't done this in a while, so I don't know if it has networking right 
away, but to get networking, run:

ifup --all

If it prompts you to install some packages, great. That's your issue. You 
reboot and it should be all fine from there. If not, follow up and let us know.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Aere Greenway]

On 06/01/2016 10:12 AM, E James wrote:

It's also possible that I'm remembering Ubuntu rather than Lubuntu.
Starting with 12.04 (in all Ubuntu variants), the install would crash 
during the slide-show (while copying files).


Removing the ubiquity-slideshow package (in the live system) would 
successfully work around the problem.


Lubuntu solved the problem by using Zram, and worked more reliably with 
512 megabytes RAM than other Ubuntu variants.


It's getting so that only Lubuntu will run well in my machines with only 
512 meg RAM - mostly because it's the only Ubuntu variant that runs well 
with the slower speed of those machines.


It's getting where even Xubuntu won't run in my slower machines, so I'm 
not getting 512-meg-RAM install experience with other Ubuntu variants now.


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[lubuntu-users] ring any bells?

[Jack Craig]

hi list,

after various 12.04, 16.04, and now 16.10, i am getting a consistent failure
on reboot after install.  if i go bak & reinstall, comes up fine, but
reboot after good install so far gives no joy.

on reboot, it puts out the fsck,

/dev/sda1;clean, 1229900/420024 files 767048/171000 blocks

on a black screen and keeps flipping to F7 too fast for a login
on virtual console.  i tried F1 or F2, there are login prompts, but not
enough time.

is there a boot> chant to boot to text mode w/o starting desktop

from cli, how to stop / start lubuntu-desktop ??

this OS looks really cool so i want to debug this os for my coming projects.

so, a link to initrc script?  a link to desktop start/stop script?

tia, jackc...

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Aere Greenway]

On 06/01/2016 08:48 AM, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
What about the net install? 

I have never yet tried a net install.

But I would think it would have the same difficulty getting the wireless 
to work (such as in the case you need to install the b43 packages), as 
the install without entering the live system, or the alternate install.


If, on the other hand, you initiate it from an already-running system 
with working wireless, it might be something good to try.


On second thought, if it insists on using the "server for the U.S." (in 
my case), with the slow speeds resulting from that, it would probably 
not be a good thing to try.  Using that server, the network transfer 
speeds hover around 100 kilobytes per second (usually under that), 
rather than the 950 kilobytes per second I get with a local server.


I get better speeds if I run the live system, and then (after getting 
the wireless working) change the "Software and Updates" configuration to 
use a local mirror server.  Also, if I do an upgrade (rather than 
install new), I avoid the slow speeds resulting from using the default 
("server for the U.S.") mirror server.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Nio Wiklund]

Den 2016-06-01 kl. 17:51, skrev E James:

On 01/06/16 15:48, Walter Lapchynski wrote:

What about the net install?

On Jun 1, 2016 7:39 AM, "E James" > wrote:

 On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:
 >
 > Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the alternate 
install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate install version anyway.
 >

 If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle), it's 
worth pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram while 
the Live Desktop won't.


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Some years ago I found a procedure for installing Debian which started with 2 
floppy discs and downloaded everything else. I could live with that if the 
procedure was suitably automated like the old Mandrake software selection menu. 
My understanding of the inner workings of Linux is very limited.

For my Shuttle, I did consider the possibility of making a custom version of 
the Alternate install CD, but it looked like a lot of work to solve a one-off 
problem. At the time, I was unaware of Plop which I should check out as a 
possible solution for future problems.

If by net install you mean PXE, I don't yet understand the technique. It seems 
that there are several preparatory steps. A clear step by step guide would be 
appreciated. First question - if the hardware doesn't offer the option, is it 
still possible?


Hi James,

Netboot can mean PXE.

It can also mean the Ubuntu mini.iso, which is a small iso file  (~ 40 
MB). This iso file installs a basic system, which is then downloading 
the other program packages via the internet. You can do almost the same 
thing with the Ubuntu Server iso file, which is also within CD size.


You select which meta-package(s) to install, and you can get Lubuntu 
that way. It is not as straight-forward as with the Lubuntu alternate 
iso file, and you need a wired internet connection, but it works.


See this link,

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230389=13211730#post13211730

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[E James]

On 01/06/16 15:53, Aere Greenway wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 08:39 AM, E James wrote:
>> On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:
>>> Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
>>> installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the 
>>> alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate install 
>>> version anyway.
>>>
>> If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle), it's 
>> worth pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram while 
>> the Live Desktop won't.
>>
>>
> The live system install has worked for me on my older machines having 512 
> megabytes of RAM, including on Lubuntu 16.04.
> 
> It hasn't yet failed on a live system install with 512 megabytes of RAM.
> 
> There was a problem with level 12.04, where it was necessary to remove the 
> ubiquity slide-show, and there were problems getting zram working, but it has 
> been flawless in the last several releases.
> 


My mistake. It has probably been a few years since my last experience but I 
recall the failure of the install procedure on the Live Desktop several times 
until I realised that it required a minimum of around 800MB of ram. The 
Alternate CD did the job. I didn't know that the limitation had been remedied. 
It's also possible that I'm remembering Ubuntu rather than Lubuntu.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Walter Lapchynski]

The latter is what i meant.
On Jun 1, 2016 9:07 AM, "Nio Wiklund"  wrote:

> Den 2016-06-01 kl. 17:51, skrev E James:
>
>> On 01/06/16 15:48, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
>>
>>> What about the net install?
>>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2016 7:39 AM, "E James" > e_ja...@moladn.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  > Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines
>>> before installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than
>>> the alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate
>>> install version anyway.
>>>  >
>>>
>>>  If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle),
>>> it's worth pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram
>>> while the Live Desktop won't.
>>>
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>> Some years ago I found a procedure for installing Debian which started
>> with 2 floppy discs and downloaded everything else. I could live with that
>> if the procedure was suitably automated like the old Mandrake software
>> selection menu. My understanding of the inner workings of Linux is very
>> limited.
>>
>> For my Shuttle, I did consider the possibility of making a custom version
>> of the Alternate install CD, but it looked like a lot of work to solve a
>> one-off problem. At the time, I was unaware of Plop which I should check
>> out as a possible solution for future problems.
>>
>> If by net install you mean PXE, I don't yet understand the technique. It
>> seems that there are several preparatory steps. A clear step by step guide
>> would be appreciated. First question - if the hardware doesn't offer the
>> option, is it still possible?
>>
>
> Hi James,
>
> Netboot can mean PXE.
>
> It can also mean the Ubuntu mini.iso, which is a small iso file  (~ 40
> MB). This iso file installs a basic system, which is then downloading the
> other program packages via the internet. You can do almost the same thing
> with the Ubuntu Server iso file, which is also within CD size.
>
> You select which meta-package(s) to install, and you can get Lubuntu that
> way. It is not as straight-forward as with the Lubuntu alternate iso file,
> and you need a wired internet connection, but it works.
>
> See this link,
>
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230389=13211730#post13211730
>
> Best regards
> Nio
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[E James]

On 01/06/16 15:48, Walter Lapchynski wrote:
> What about the net install?
> 
> On Jun 1, 2016 7:39 AM, "E James"  > wrote:
> 
> On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:
> >
> > Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
> installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the 
> alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate install 
> version anyway.
> >
> 
> If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle), it's 
> worth pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram while 
> the Live Desktop won't.
> 
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Some years ago I found a procedure for installing Debian which started with 2 
floppy discs and downloaded everything else. I could live with that if the 
procedure was suitably automated like the old Mandrake software selection menu. 
My understanding of the inner workings of Linux is very limited.

For my Shuttle, I did consider the possibility of making a custom version of 
the Alternate install CD, but it looked like a lot of work to solve a one-off 
problem. At the time, I was unaware of Plop which I should check out as a 
possible solution for future problems.

If by net install you mean PXE, I don't yet understand the technique. It seems 
that there are several preparatory steps. A clear step by step guide would be 
appreciated. First question - if the hardware doesn't offer the option, is it 
still possible?

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Re: [lubuntu-users] [lubuntu-devel] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Ian Bruntlett]

Hi Nio,

On 1 June 2016 at 12:57, Nio Wiklund  wrote:

> Hi Lubuntuers,
>
> Let us discuss the problem that the current Lubuntu alternate iso files
> are oversized for CD disks. I filed a bug report about it, but it has not
> generated much heat.
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1572429
>
> Do you want to make an effort to create a CD sized alternate iso file, or
> is it time for Lubuntu to abandon those old computers, that only boot from
> CD?
>

When it comes to old systems, as time goes by, I have fewer and fewer older
systems to deal with that demand an O.S. image that fits on a CD. Being
able to boot from CD is helpful but I have an external USB DVD writer that
I currently use to install Lubuntu on a Samsung NC10 NetBook that doesn't
even have a CD drive.

Being able to use an old system is still important to me. So the "386" isoe
are vital for the Samsung NC10 and 2 friend's laptops that have Pentium M
processors in them.

BW,


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Aere Greenway]

On 06/01/2016 08:39 AM, E James wrote:

On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:

Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the alternate 
install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate install version 
anyway.


If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle), it's worth 
pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram while the Live 
Desktop won't.


The live system install has worked for me on my older machines having 
512 megabytes of RAM, including on Lubuntu 16.04.


It hasn't yet failed on a live system install with 512 megabytes of RAM.

There was a problem with level 12.04, where it was necessary to remove 
the ubiquity slide-show, and there were problems getting zram working, 
but it has been flawless in the last several releases.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Walter Lapchynski]

What about the net install?
On Jun 1, 2016 7:39 AM, "E James"  wrote:

> On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:
> >
> > Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before
> installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the
> alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate install
> version anyway.
> >
>
> If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle), it's
> worth pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram
> while the Live Desktop won't.
>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[E James]

On 01/06/16 15:13, Aere Greenway wrote:
> 
> Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
> installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the 
> alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate install 
> version anyway.
> 

If you're maintaining support for older hardware (like my Shuttle), it's worth 
pointing out that the Alternate install will work with 512MB ram while the Live 
Desktop won't.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Liam Proven]

On 1 June 2016 at 16:13, Aere Greenway  wrote:
> On 06/01/2016 05:57 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

> Though I wish there were a Lubuntu version that would boot from CD, from
> what I have seen over the years, if a big effort were made to make this
> possible, it would most likely be only a temporary victory.
>
> As time goes on, new functionality goes into the kernel, and support for
> older machines is kept (again, we don't want to abandon those machines), so
> the kernel keeps getting bigger.  I would not want the kernel developers to
> remove support for older hardware, so removing older stuff to make room for
> the new is not (to me) a good idea.

It /does/ keep getting bigger, but it is a very long way from being 650MB yet!

Note that the current Minimal install CD image for 16.04 is roughly 50MB:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#A32-bit_PC_.28i386.2C_x86.29

So there is *lots* of room for a minimal CD with little more than
X.org, LXDE and a web browser.

Bodhi and WattOS are about 550MB in the current versions.

And old hardware support /does/ get removed. The transition from
XFree86 to X.org removed support for a lot of old graphics cards, for
instance, and mainly leaves only PCI/PCI-E cards: all the old ISA and
VL-Bus cards are gone, and from my own experience, finding working
drivers for old AGP hardware today is very difficult.

> By the way, you can get USB 2.0 PCI cards (for a desktop), providing faster
> USB, and they are (were?) inexpensive.  Of course, that doesn't help for a
> laptop.

There are Cardbus USB 2 adaptors and they work. I have given it away
now, but I used to have a 2001 Acer-manufactured IBM 1200 Series
Thinkpad which had only USB and used such cards with it.

But you do need Cardbus (the PCMCIA equivalent of  PCI). It is not
possible with original PCMCIA.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Aere Greenway]

On 06/01/2016 05:57 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:

Hi Lubuntuers,

Let us discuss the problem that the current Lubuntu alternate iso 
files are oversized for CD disks. I filed a bug report about it, but 
it has not generated much heat.


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1572429

Do you want to make an effort to create a CD sized alternate iso file, 
or is it time for Lubuntu to abandon those old computers, that only 
boot from CD?


We can suggest to try booting via Plop and a USB boot drive 
(chainloading after Plop has supplied a USB driver).


Best regards
Nio


Nio:

Though I wish there were a Lubuntu version that would boot from CD, from 
what I have seen over the years, if a big effort were made to make this 
possible, it would most likely be only a temporary victory.


As time goes on, new functionality goes into the kernel, and support for 
older machines is kept (again, we don't want to abandon those machines), 
so the kernel keeps getting bigger.  I would not want the kernel 
developers to remove support for older hardware, so removing older stuff 
to make room for the new is not (to me) a good idea.


Also, in the repository, as more useful things become available, those 
new things become used, and eventually become essential.  So again, the 
essential repository components' space on the install CD gradually grows.


So far, even my oldest machines have been able to boot from USB (using 
Plop), including using the older USB 1.0 ports, which are slow, but not 
impossibly slow).  My problems with booting from USB have been problems 
with the USB Creator software.


By the way, you can get USB 2.0 PCI cards (for a desktop), providing 
faster USB, and they are (were?) inexpensive.  Of course, that doesn't 
help for a laptop.


Since I need to get the wireless working first on my machines before 
installing, I prefer to use the live desktop version (rather than the 
alternate install), so I would probably not use a CD-size alternate 
install version anyway.


This is, of course, my opinion on the subject.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Liam Proven]

On 1 June 2016 at 13:57, Nio Wiklund  wrote:
> Hi Lubuntuers,
>
> Let us discuss the problem that the current Lubuntu alternate iso files are
> oversized for CD disks. I filed a bug report about it, but it has not
> generated much heat.
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1572429
>
> Do you want to make an effort to create a CD sized alternate iso file, or is
> it time for Lubuntu to abandon those old computers, that only boot from CD?
>
> We can suggest to try booting via Plop and a USB boot drive (chainloading
> after Plop has supplied a USB driver).

It's a good point, although I must admit, I no longer have any such
computers. The Mac mini I'm typing on (via a 26-year-old classic Apple
Extended II keyboard) doesn't have an optical drive at all, and I
don't miss it.

Some other Ubuntu meta-distros (albeit not official ones) come without
preinstalled productivity apps: for instance, Bodhi Linux:

http://www.bodhilinux.com/

That approach would work: a core OS with desktop and a web browser,
enough to get online and install everything else.

On the other hand, there's a fork of Lubuntu for older PCs -- LXLE:

http://www.lxle.net/

Perhaps it's time to leave the legacy kit to them?


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[lubuntu-users] Let us discuss: Lubuntu alternate iso files are oversized for CD disks

[Nio Wiklund]

Hi Lubuntuers,

Let us discuss the problem that the current Lubuntu alternate iso files 
are oversized for CD disks. I filed a bug report about it, but it has 
not generated much heat.


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1572429

Do you want to make an effort to create a CD sized alternate iso file, 
or is it time for Lubuntu to abandon those old computers, that only boot 
from CD?


We can suggest to try booting via Plop and a USB boot drive 
(chainloading after Plop has supplied a USB driver).


Best regards
Nio

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