Re: [lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer
Hi Ian, I think you have it right. And, in fact, your work-around I vaguely recall using probably nearly a year ago, so maybe from MX17 and not 17.1 . And, in fact, I tried it in the past week ot two unsuccessfully, but didn't mention it amongst all the workarounds I did try with like outcomes. I thought it would be less guff to throw at the Lubuntu community whom I would merely trouble to hear if anyone had encountered a similar problem with GIMP 2.8.x. Now I have a cascade of dichotomies to investigate, along with all the relevant interactions: GIMP 2.8.22 vs GIMP 2.8.?? ? LO 6.0.3 vs LO 5.x.y ? MX17 vs MX17.1 ? (At least it's the same printer!) So I'll be pragmatic rather than academic and download MX18beta1 even though I'd rather get past the beta version and see it that cures my problem before deciding to go bughunting. Fact is, I don't use GIMP often enough to be confident with it. Usually I'm trying to isolate an image from a PDF file, often generated as an Adobe Acrobat pic, and resize it for presentation. Last time I succeeded was with the new letterhead a graphic designer had designed for the charity my wife and I run, to isolate the logo itself and resize it. Yes, I did succeed - then. Now, this lad I'm mentoring drew up visuals for the plays he had strategized for the kids soccer teams he and other young men are coaching locally on behalf of the Sports Academy (??) of Portugal. He did it all on GIMP, then asked me to print it for handouts for the coaches' seminar. Much egg on face because of tiny print sizes, also time budget. Should have taken perhaps 5 minutes, he had about 30 to spare. Which wasn't enough, with the original image refusing even LO Draw's efforts to resize it. I really don't do much graphics, and I probably do do it in LO (importing, positioning, resizing externally obtained images) . I keep GIMP around for the rare occasion where greater abilities are needed and I can set aside an hour or so to experiment with the techniques needed for GIMP /de jour/. But I find it frustrating that it is so difficult to do the simplest of creative and editing functions in GIMP that I am seriously discouraged from fiddling around with it in spare moments to get used to doing things its way, at least at a very elementary level. Like: Define a point, A Use it as the centre of a circle, C1 Define another point, B Connect A and B with a straight line AB Connect A and B with a freehand wiggly line A~B Drag the circumference of C1 to pass through B, making another circle C2 Shade the ring-like space between C1 and C2 (the torus? Is it a /torus/? Wow! If not, then too bad, you understand what I mean) and fill it with a selected colour Select some portion of this exciting image by framing it with some rectangle whose position and size I can easily define with just the mouse. Print selected portion without resizing it Resize and reposition by dragging on the printable space. Print it to the corresponding size. - all within shall we say 8 minutes, without referencing any text manual pages, relying only on the rather intuitive menu-headings and entries (where GIMP currently fails massively in my experience)... If GIMP could do that - reliably, from version to version - year in and year out, while getting more and more AutoCAD threatening if that's what they want to do - I would play with it and graduate close on 10 children a year from our safe home as happy, intuitive competent-at-an-elementary-level Linux users, LO users, VLC users, and GIMP (*gimp* maybe?) users. Living proof to the school system that they should permit the use of open systems in the classroom and staff offices as they are by implication obliged to do. What would it take to write an elementary UI for GIMP, with a much-simplified/reduced menu system and reduced option-set, with possibly an intermediate alternative, allowing eventual progress to raw GIMP which had been hiding behind the friendly screens all along? Select complexity level from initial menu screen? Remember, you don't want to mess with the innards, just the UI? Hopefully? Ive been writing software for 50 years and hate getting egg on my face because someone else's UI doesn't make sense to simple beings. Cheers Basil On 05/12/18 13:39, Ian Bruntlett wrote: Hi Basil, I hope I've understood your problem correctly... When faced with problems like this, I import the image into LibreOffice Draw, set the page to Portrait / Landscape, resize the image appropriately, and print it from there. To set the page to Portrait or Landscape, load LO Draw and go Format -> Page Properties and then choose the appropriate Portrait / Landscape radio button. The above approach is used in a charity, Contact, that I volunteer in and works for me :) HTH, Ian -- -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming -
Re: [lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer
Less than an hour after sending the message below, I learned from DistroWatch that MX18 Beta 1 is now available, offering GIMP 2.10, Hopefully this will eventually provide a stable solution to my problem. However I would still be interested to hear any responses to my original question. Basil Fernie + Since the spotlight is on GIMP, I make bold to put up a question which perhaps I will have to redirect to another forum: I'm using/trying to use GIMP 2.8.2 under MX17.1 (I do use Lubuntu a lot too! but I'm trying to nurture a young MX user) and finding one problem: I cannot resize the image size from the screen original size to print at a different size even when following the explicit directions in the GIMP manual. Do any of the Lubuntu users of GIMP 2.8.x find this problem? The obvious work-around, to install GIMP 2.10.8 to MX17.1, fails because, it seems, this upgrade is disallowed by the software installation facility in MX17.1. The /other/ obvious workaround, to do the GIMP work on Lubuntu 18.10, has environmental and upstream implications which I don't really want to spend time on. So, any quick comments from the Lubuntu experience with resizing GIMP images for printed images? Basil Fernie On 03/12/18 23:10, Mark F wrote: I wanted to post back here with an update (after I posted the straces to the bug report[1] for PCManFM and GIMP 2.10.8 crashing). User @Janos (msg #54) said GIMP 2.8.x was crashing for him (it was fine for me the whole time PCManFM was crashing in the previous version of Lubuntu, which I strongly believe was 17.04). He switched to a PPA-served apt package of GIMP (not the "flatpack" version GIMP officially(?) serves. He said his GIMP crashes went away. (Whereas, my GIMP crashes began with 2.10.x, which I installed from flatpack.). So, I uninstalled my flatpack 2.10.8, and setup the PPA[2] and that "apt-get install" version of GIMP (still 2.10.8) loads much faster. I also noticed it doesn't cause the *profuse* PCManFM logging (when I strace PCManFM). That GIMP hasn't crashed yet. I really believe there's something about the official(?) flatpack GIMP that entangles itself with PCManFM's crashing behavior (for those experiencing it). The PCManFM strace logging was phenomenal using the flatpack GIMP. Twenty-one seconds of logging was over 60mb. When I switched to the PPA package of GIMP, the logging virtually stopped (when GIMP was the active window). I just wanted to give that update here in case anyone else is having that issue. [The PCManFM crash isn't very bad for me. I don't mind restarting PCManFM every few days. But, that GIMP crashing was *painful*. It would crash 3-4 times while editing an image. Sometimes after 10-15 minutes of getting the colors "just right." I don't think I could live with that for too long.] [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984 [2] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp sudo apt update sudo apt install gimp -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer
Hi Basil, I hope I've understood your problem correctly... When faced with problems like this, I import the image into LibreOffice Draw, set the page to Portrait / Landscape, resize the image appropriately, and print it from there. To set the page to Portrait or Landscape, load LO Draw and go Format -> Page Properties and then choose the appropriate Portrait / Landscape radio button. The above approach is used in a charity, Contact, that I volunteer in and works for me :) HTH, Ian -- -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ -- Free Software page - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/home/free-software -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
[lubuntu-users] GIMP 2.8.x resizing for printer
Since the spotlight is on GIMP, I make bold to put up a question which perhaps I will have to redirect to another forum: I'm using/trying to use GIMP 2.8.2 under MX17.1 (I do use Lubuntu a lot too! but I'm trying to nurture a young MX user) and finding one problem: I cannot resize the image size from the screen original size to print at a different size even when following the explicit directions in the GIMP manual. Do any of the Lubuntu users of GIMP 2.8.x find this problem? The obvious work-around, to install GIMP 2.10.8 to MX17.1, fails because, it seems, this upgrade is disallowed by the software installation facility in MX17.1. The /other/ obvious workaround, to do the GIMP work on Lubuntu 18.10, has environmental and upstream implications which I don't really want to spend time on. So, any quick comments from the Lubuntu experience with resizing GIMP images for printed images? Basil Fernie On 03/12/18 23:10, Mark F wrote: I wanted to post back here with an update (after I posted the straces to the bug report[1] for PCManFM and GIMP 2.10.8 crashing). User @Janos (msg #54) said GIMP 2.8.x was crashing for him (it was fine for me the whole time PCManFM was crashing in the previous version of Lubuntu, which I strongly believe was 17.04). He switched to a PPA-served apt package of GIMP (not the "flatpack" version GIMP officially(?) serves. He said his GIMP crashes went away. (Whereas, my GIMP crashes began with 2.10.x, which I installed from flatpack.). So, I uninstalled my flatpack 2.10.8, and setup the PPA[2] and that "apt-get install" version of GIMP (still 2.10.8) loads much faster. I also noticed it doesn't cause the *profuse* PCManFM logging (when I strace PCManFM). That GIMP hasn't crashed yet. I really believe there's something about the official(?) flatpack GIMP that entangles itself with PCManFM's crashing behavior (for those experiencing it). The PCManFM strace logging was phenomenal using the flatpack GIMP. Twenty-one seconds of logging was over 60mb. When I switched to the PPA package of GIMP, the logging virtually stopped (when GIMP was the active window). I just wanted to give that update here in case anyone else is having that issue. [The PCManFM crash isn't very bad for me. I don't mind restarting PCManFM every few days. But, that GIMP crashing was *painful*. It would crash 3-4 times while editing an image. Sometimes after 10-15 minutes of getting the colors "just right." I don't think I could live with that for too long.] [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984 [2] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp sudo apt update sudo apt install gimp -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
