Re: [lubuntu-users] Shift-Insert works different in LXQt
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 10:04:57AM +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 22:01, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > > Heh, shift-insert is not popular among ANY users but it's never used by > > Windows AFAIK. > Wrong. It's the original standard shortcut. Shift-Del = Cut, Shift-Ins = > Paste. I would argue that if you polled people, you'd find that few people use it. That was more of my point. Furthermore, when's the last time you saw it as the shortcut in the Edit menu of a program? That said, I failed to mention I like to use it, but I found out about it relatively recently. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 5:03 PM Mark F wrote: > Anyway: I created a 6g QEMU image. When I tried to install Lubuntu, it > told me minimum 8g. So, I deleted that and created a new one 8g. > > But, Lubuntu still said 8g is required (and wouldn't proceed). > FYI: Xubuntu 19.4 has a similar condition. I created an 8g QEMU session. Booted Xububu. When I elected to install, it objected saying "Xubuntu requires 8.6 GB of space... This computer only has 8.6GB." I uploaded a screenshot here: https://i.postimg.cc/7h62nknF/xubuntu-19-4.png Mark -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
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Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
Hi Ralf, On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 17:29, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I don't have seen a lot of Atari ST, TT etc. without modifications, but > probably thousands with modifications, most of them for sure with a hardware QL emulator. It was another time when we used this machine and > I programmed on the Sinclair QL for a long time. I have a webpage where I lhost some of the software I wrote, an article I wrote about the Qjump Pointer Environment. There is also a spare copy of the source code of the enhanced version of Qdos by the QView MegaCorporation (Lau Reeves and friends) HTH :) Ian -- -- ACCU - Professionalism in programming - http://www.accu.org -- My writing - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/ -- Free Software page - https://sites.google.com/site/ianbruntlett/home/free-software -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
> > What was the last Lubuntu version that used the old installer? (If it came > in both LXDE and LXQt, let me know which to install as the comparison to > 19.04.). > FYI: I found out 18.04 was the last version before Calamares. I downloaded that ISO and will compare install times. I re-gathered "free" (mem used) info for 6 distros in my original list. (Mint Cinnamon is installing now). All the numbers are lower than I got from the live-cd sessions. Also, if a distro doesn't have the terminal on the dekstop (or launcher bar), I put it on the desktop and reboot. I think navigating through the menus (to get to the terminal) affects the memory used. I think it might have inflated Lubuntu 19.04 in my original set of numbers, from the live-cd environment. Mark -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
>If you zoom in, you might notice that it has got a 80268 CPU Oops, that will hardly pappen, since it's a 80286 :D. -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
Hi, don't worry, this reply continues the off-topic discussion, but then "RTN" on-topic. On Thu, 2019-04-25 at 16:31 +0200, Liam Proven wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 16:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > "Ordinary" people wonder why the values aren't 250 instead of 256, 500 > > instead of 512, 1000 instead of 1024. They might or might not understand > > the technically reasons. However, they don't gain anything from base 10 > > over base 2. > > Sure. But the battle was lost even in 1985 when Atari did this: > > http://www.atarimania.com/catalog-atari-atari-germany-10-85_108_S.html > > The Atari ST 520 had 512 kiB of RAM, but Atari "rounded it up." The ST > 1040 had twice that, but it had to be twice the "520" model's, so even > though there is no way that 1024 kiB can be rounded to 1040 kB, the > model was named 1040. That is an absurd comparison. The prospectus is completely confusing, it claims that the 520 ST comes with 1 MB main memory. My original Atari 520 ST user manual mentions 512 KB RAM and 192 KB ROM, where the manual's "KB" is for KiB. IIRC software, but without doubts the manual and related books use base 2 without any rounding at all. I doubt that the rounded off name should fake to provide 520 KiB, nor do I think that it does confuse. I dislike it anyway and guess 512 would have been a better choice for the name. Here is a photo of my Atari 520 ST: https://i.imgur.com/lx5pucp.jpg You might notice that the original 512 KiB are replaced by a (4 MiB) PC RAM bar and a few cables. If you zoom in, you might notice that it has got a 80268 CPU (in addition to the original MC68000). Unfortunately it's more or less impossible to add a blitter to the 520 ST, but TOS is replaced by a later release, too. I don't have seen a lot of Atari ST, TT etc. without modifications, but probably thousands with modifications, most of them for sure with a hardware QL emulator. It was another time when we used this machine and other than the Amiga, the ST was mainly used by what we might call nowadays "nerds". Most of them for sure QL nerds. Another that large group often were "ordinary people" who were musicians, but probably with friends like me who were musicians as well as "techies" who again had other friends who were "techies", too. Apropos emulations. The OP wrote: "I created a 6g QEMU image." "Ordinary people" unlikely will use QEMU. IMO handling "space" used by emulations is more easily done by taking care about base 2 unites, than base 10. Regards, Ralf -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 16:07, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > "Ordinary" people wonder why the values aren't 250 instead of 256, 500 > instead of 512, 1000 instead of 1024. They might or might not understand > the technically reasons. However, they don't gain anything from base 10 > over base 2. Sure. But the battle was lost even in 1985 when Atari did this: http://www.atarimania.com/catalog-atari-atari-germany-10-85_108_S.html The Atari ST 520 had 512 kiB of RAM, but Atari "rounded it up." The ST 1040 had twice that, but it had to be twice the "520" model's, so even though there is no way that 1024 kiB can be rounded to 1040 kB, the model was named 1040. It wasn't the Amiga 1024 ( as in, 1024 kiB of RAM), it was the Amiga 1000. The battle was lost already, 25 years ago. Sad, but there it is. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 10:55, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > You are missing the point. It doesn't matter if you call it "GB" or > "GiB". I think that _is_ the point. > A "G" in combination with devices that are capable of 16 G, 32 G, 64 G, > 128 G, 256 G, 512 G, 1024 G, based on the architectural principle > implies base 2. Computers are not just for techies any more. Ordinary people don't know that. They don't know about powers of 10 and powers of 2. They don't even know what a "power" is. They certainly had not memorised a list of the first dozen or so powers of 2 by the time they grew their first pubic hairs, like any self-respecting techie has done. The problem is that some marketing-droid realised that using the "traditional" SI meaning of MB or GB would make their products look a little bigger in advertising. Once that happened, everyone did it, so as not to be left behind. SI is important and good. So, let them have kB and MB and GB and TB. Let us clarify that we don't mean that, we mean kiB and MiB and GiB. If you don't know the difference -- meh, it's only about 10-15%. Yes the error gets bigger as the units get bigger, but it also matters less. PCs, even phones, already store more than most people need. My iMac has 2 TiB and it's quite full. My girlfriend's rarely-used PC has 1 TiB and it's got about 5% used, if that. She doesn't need it and she never will. So here in technical world, let's use the correct prefixes, because we know and we care. Leave the marketers, those paid liars, to fudge the figures and cook the books. -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 08:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > It's paradox to claim that a device is capable of 16 G, 32 G, 64 G, > 128 G, 256 G, 512 G, 1024 G etc. if "G" isn't base 2, since those values > imply base 2. Nah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix Kibi, Mebi, Gibi... -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] Shift-Insert works different in LXQt
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 22:01, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > Heh, shift-insert is not popular among ANY users but it's never used by > Windows AFAIK. Wrong. It's the original standard shortcut. Shift-Del = Cut, Shift-Ins = Paste. It's part of the CUA spec. It's what dictates how all modern GUIs work, even though most people have never heard of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access It was replaced by Ctrl-V due to the influence of MacOS on Windows. The Mac shortcuts are Cmd-X to cut (X looks like scissors), Cmd-V to paste (V looks like an arrowhead -- paste >here<) and Cmd-C to Copy (C for Copy). -- Liam Proven - Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk - Google Mail/Hangouts/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven - Skype/LinkedIn: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 - ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
On Thu, 2019-04-25 at 08:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:21:51 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote: > > Base 10 *IS* the standard, according to the IEEE, so I would consider > > it a bug against whomever is using base 2. > > What are physical incorrect values good for? > > It's implausible that making a physical incorrect measuring unit a > standard does avoid confusion, actually it was the original culprit for > confusion. > > As somebody who started Assembly programming on the Breadbox I > vehemently disagree, everybody using base 10 should be shot immediately! PS: It's paradox to claim that a device is capable of 16 G, 32 G, 64 G, 128 G, 256 G, 512 G, 1024 G etc. if "G" isn't base 2, since those values imply base 2. -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] 19.4 installer has 8gig minimum disk requirement
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 17:21:51 -0700, Walter Lapchynski wrote: >Base 10 *IS* the standard, according to the IEEE, so I would consider >it a bug against whomever is using base 2. What are physical incorrect values good for? It's implausible that making a physical incorrect measuring unit a standard does avoid confusion, actually it was the original culprit for confusion. As somebody who started Assembly programming on the Breadbox I vehemently disagree, everybody using base 10 should be shot immediately! -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
