Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Brendan Perrine]

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:57:15 -0500
Israel  wrote:

> I do not want to give more control to the people who are taking it 
Actually freenode is not against tor but has some caveats and you need to be a 
registered user. Not sure if this works on the webchat however. 

http://freenode-dev.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor

They are more against other open proxies that end up hiding people say doing 
denial of service attacks agianst freenode. They made a special expemtion for 
tor even but not sure you can create an account. 
http://freenode-dev.net/policy.shtml#proxies

This does not seem the kind of policy set by people that want to take your 
freedom away. I think this is just a first reaction to trying to join freenode 
and finding out you can't initally connect using tor. 
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Israel]

Hi,
I think I will try to make both sides here more clear.

scrooyahoo:
I want my privacy and digital freedom.
I also want to use the best distro ever.
I do not want to give more control to the people who are taking it 
without our permission.


others:
if you do not like losing some of these liberties you are free to use 
another os, even if this one is the best.

there is nothing we can do to fix this issue, because it is not our fault.
in fact this issue is not even Ubuntu's fault, it is freenode that does 
not allow you to use it.


bottom line:
freedom is very important.  we cannot let it erode, as history has shown 
us time and time again the horrid consequences of letting the government 
rule the people heavily and mass surveillance.
we cannot blame people making a great operating system for things that 
they simply do not have control over (other companies, other websites or 
domains like freenode).
The entire GNU/Linux community is doing a good job at protecting 
privacy, and freedom.  Some insist on only the purest libre experience.


Lubuntu's user group is the best, and Lubuntu is one of the best distros 
for low-end machines.  There are a few others that are really great, but 
Lubuntu has the best community and this makes Lubuntu stand above the rest.



On 07/27/2016 02:50 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:

I understand scrooyahoo's arguments and agree with the reasons, but is
being very rude when judging others' choices.

I insist to scrooyahoo: there are other distros & communities apart of
Ubuntus/Canonicals and, most of people who disagrees with
*buntu/Canonical policies, migrate to that other GNU/Linux distributions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DistroWatch



El 26/07/16 a les 23:05, scrooya...@riseup.net ha escrit:

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Narcis Garcia]

I understand scrooyahoo's arguments and agree with the reasons, but is
being very rude when judging others' choices.

I insist to scrooyahoo: there are other distros & communities apart of
Ubuntus/Canonicals and, most of people who disagrees with
*buntu/Canonical policies, migrate to that other GNU/Linux distributions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DistroWatch



El 26/07/16 a les 23:05, scrooya...@riseup.net ha escrit:
> i'm not insisting on anonimity, but being treated as a criminal when you
> have done nothing wrong that is invading my privacy.
> 
> also i do see it from your point of view and i can agree to some extend.
> But since privacy is not respected by default, Then people who care
> about privacy feel forced to use something like TOR by default to
> get/TAKE privacy. (how do you say this in english?)
> 
> I joined the mailing list with my regular yahoo email address with my
> normal name but I used the webmail while using tor.
> thats where it started, and now i also got bugged with captchas and
> that's where i had enough of it. Emotions got the better of me? Or maybe
> ethics?
> 
> anyhow, mu yahoo mail ended up in spam, thats why i went for a new mail
> account (thisone, because i was very annoyed at yahoo for wasting my time)
> 
> If yahoo had not done this then i would most likely be still using this
> list form my other account.
> 
> So who is to blame?  Yahoo i guess?
> 
> I hope that i didn't make enemies here by raising some ethical issues i
> just has a few technical questions and if i can help others then i'm
> also prepared to help.
> 
> So you consider TOR to be of questionable legality?
> But how legal is A capthcha system then? That sends a certain amount of
> packets and probes several PC related details to snoop out a users
> identity. Is it concidered to be legal to do that?  When i see someone
> walk on the street and grab the persons wallet and ID to randomly probe
> a persons identity then I GET ARRESTED.
> 
> But holy Google may do so all over the planet??
> 
> I said i would stop this discussion, any followups i will answer, but
> off-list.
> 
> 
> I got a bit carried away here. Though i'm sure my argumenst are strong
> enough in privacy vs anonimity. I do not need anonimity, but privacy
> should be a default service, and if that's not the case then people
> resort to anonimity. Don't blame them, it's not their fault, it's for
> them the only option left to get privacy. I don't know ANY alternative
> that gives me real privacy.
> 
> I do not want to offend anyone and don't think my nettiquette are bad,
> some phrases may eventually be bad english but thats most likely because
> im not a native english speaker and learned my english from american
> action movies.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-07-26 21:51, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 26 July 2016 at 17:50,   wrote:
>>> its backwards annoing and disrespects my privacy.
>>
>>
>> As a counter-argument, I'd argue that you are disrespecting us & the
>> other members of the (L)Ubuntu community by insisting on anonymity.
>>
>> Anonymity is not privacy, nor is privacy equivalent to anonymity.
>>
>> You join this mailing list and apparently expect to receive help and
>> support and you do not even have the manners to give your name.
>>
>> As a parallel: if I was hosting a party, and someone came with a mask
>> on and refused to give their name, I would not welcome them. I'd throw
>> them out for their extreme rudeness.
>>
>> A mailing list is no different.
>>
>> As a general rule, whereas I frequent many mailing lists and a few
>> newsgroups, I generally will not help people using visibly false
>> names. I consider it poor manners.
>>
>> You are complaining about a service of questionable legality being
>> blocked by an external service that is nothing to do with Ubuntu. This
>> is the wrong place to complain about it, we are the wrong people, and
>> I suggest you consider how your netiquette compares to basic
>> real-world manners and civility.
>>
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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Israel]

On 07/26/2016 04:35 PM, Brendan Perrine wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:51:37 +0200
Liam Proven  wrote:


On 26 July 2016 at 17:50,   wrote:

..


..

The ubuntu one single sign on is used for many different things like say what 
teams you are a part of on launchpad which uses the bug tracker and who wrote 
this comment. I don't see an intuitive way to do this with anominity.  Also 
even  the free software foundation has a channel on freenode. I don't really 
like the idea of captchas on ubuntu one webpage I certainly don't remember them 
but we have had an attack of many people signing up for the single sign on and 
spamming the wiki with all sorts of advertisements which results in either 
locking it down or a not very useful wiki.



Hi,

UbuntuOne is also needed to upload code to Launchpad and create a PPA.

It is required to edit a Wiki

I think in most cases UbuntuOne is a good measure of security for users, 
and it also provides more anonymity in certain cases, such as being able 
to upload information to a private bug.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Brendan Perrine]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 21:51:37 +0200
Liam Proven  wrote:

> On 26 July 2016 at 17:50,   wrote:
> > its backwards annoing and disrespects my privacy.
> 
> 
> As a counter-argument, I'd argue that you are disrespecting us & the
> other members of the (L)Ubuntu community by insisting on anonymity.
> 
> Anonymity is not privacy, nor is privacy equivalent to anonymity.
> 
> You join this mailing list and apparently expect to receive help and
> support and you do not even have the manners to give your name.
> 
> As a parallel: if I was hosting a party, and someone came with a mask
> on and refused to give their name, I would not welcome them. I'd throw
> them out for their extreme rudeness.
> 
> A mailing list is no different.
> 
> As a general rule, whereas I frequent many mailing lists and a few
> newsgroups, I generally will not help people using visibly false
> names. I consider it poor manners.
> 
> You are complaining about a service of questionable legality being
> blocked by an external service that is nothing to do with Ubuntu. This
> is the wrong place to complain about it, we are the wrong people, and
> I suggest you consider how your netiquette compares to basic
> real-world manners and civility.
> 
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teams you are a part of on launchpad which uses the bug tracker and who wrote 
this comment. I don't see an intuitive way to do this with anominity.  Also 
even  the free software foundation has a channel on freenode. I don't really 
like the idea of captchas on ubuntu one webpage I certainly don't remember them 
but we have had an attack of many people signing up for the single sign on and 
spamming the wiki with all sorts of advertisements which results in either 
locking it down or a not very useful wiki. 

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[scrooyahoo]

i'm not insisting on anonimity, but being treated as a criminal when you 
have done nothing wrong that is invading my privacy.


also i do see it from your point of view and i can agree to some extend. 
But since privacy is not respected by default, Then people who care 
about privacy feel forced to use something like TOR by default to 
get/TAKE privacy. (how do you say this in english?)


I joined the mailing list with my regular yahoo email address with my 
normal name but I used the webmail while using tor.
thats where it started, and now i also got bugged with captchas and 
that's where i had enough of it. Emotions got the better of me? Or maybe 
ethics?


anyhow, mu yahoo mail ended up in spam, thats why i went for a new mail 
account (thisone, because i was very annoyed at yahoo for wasting my 
time)


If yahoo had not done this then i would most likely be still using this 
list form my other account.


So who is to blame?  Yahoo i guess?

I hope that i didn't make enemies here by raising some ethical issues i 
just has a few technical questions and if i can help others then i'm 
also prepared to help.


So you consider TOR to be of questionable legality?
But how legal is A capthcha system then? That sends a certain amount of 
packets and probes several PC related details to snoop out a users 
identity. Is it concidered to be legal to do that?  When i see someone 
walk on the street and grab the persons wallet and ID to randomly probe 
a persons identity then I GET ARRESTED.


But holy Google may do so all over the planet??

I said i would stop this discussion, any followups i will answer, but 
off-list.



I got a bit carried away here. Though i'm sure my argumenst are strong 
enough in privacy vs anonimity. I do not need anonimity, but privacy 
should be a default service, and if that's not the case then people 
resort to anonimity. Don't blame them, it's not their fault, it's for 
them the only option left to get privacy. I don't know ANY alternative 
that gives me real privacy.


I do not want to offend anyone and don't think my nettiquette are bad, 
some phrases may eventually be bad english but thats most likely because 
im not a native english speaker and learned my english from american 
action movies.









On 2016-07-26 21:51, Liam Proven wrote:

On 26 July 2016 at 17:50,   wrote:

its backwards annoing and disrespects my privacy.



As a counter-argument, I'd argue that you are disrespecting us & the
other members of the (L)Ubuntu community by insisting on anonymity.

Anonymity is not privacy, nor is privacy equivalent to anonymity.

You join this mailing list and apparently expect to receive help and
support and you do not even have the manners to give your name.

As a parallel: if I was hosting a party, and someone came with a mask
on and refused to give their name, I would not welcome them. I'd throw
them out for their extreme rudeness.

A mailing list is no different.

As a general rule, whereas I frequent many mailing lists and a few
newsgroups, I generally will not help people using visibly false
names. I consider it poor manners.

You are complaining about a service of questionable legality being
blocked by an external service that is nothing to do with Ubuntu. This
is the wrong place to complain about it, we are the wrong people, and
I suggest you consider how your netiquette compares to basic
real-world manners and civility.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[scrooyahoo]

That might have got lost in translation a bit (english is not my native 
language)


The thing is this, more and more people are using TOR and maybe other 
things to get *some* privacy
And also those new *buntu users may want to join here to ask questions 
and help others.


BUT if Canonical chooses to build a captcha fence or let google build 
that fence around canonical. Then there is something wrong...


1. people are FORCED to give up their privacy if they want to join
2. Canonical has a choice to NOT use stuff with captcha or other crap.  
Just to allow everyone to join in while having some privacy


What good is a distro that uses FREE software if the community is not 
allowed to BE FREE?


The GNU dude is correct, FREEDOM MATTERS now more then ever.

I did not say google selects,

but google does provide captcha stuff that canonical USES
in fact Ubuntu Touch uses a privacy crippler that goes by the name of 
Ubuntu ONE
you need to sign in on U1's webpage that has a google captcha privacy 
crippler.


Fun part is this that Ubuntu browser on touch gives GOOGLE page that 
tells you that Ubuntu's browser is not compatible with GOOGLES CAPTCHA's 
The bug is filed on launchpad somewhere and confirmed by someone from 
canonical.


So Canonical defenately had a CHOICE there. The choice to put a google 
captcha on a Ubuntu webpage.


that's separate from freenode, but in a way the same choice..

It will be interesting to see what choice is going to be made there.
1. choose to remode the captch
2. make google browser crippled enough to 'support' captcha to snoop 
peoples idenities.


Canonical may use the word Ubuntu, but they are letting it slip...

I became an Ubuntu user because i thought they really cared, so now i 
hope to see how much Canonical cares.


I'm well aware about corporate pressures, but i don't care about that, 
does Canonical make it's philosphy true, or is it just a meaningless 
marketing lie?


http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu
http://www.ubuntu.thiyagaraaj.com/Home/about-ubuntu/ubuntu-philosophy-meaning

My philosophy:
When in doubt, aks questions, when answers are not clear enough, ask 
more questions.


I use Ubuntu now for more then 8 years, so my question are not out of 
thin air.


And i realise that the Lubuntu list is not the best place to ask this, 
but the discussion started here and I don't want to leave open ends if 
possible.


I ask these questions because i care.  And from your answer i feel that 
you also care. But we experience the privacy issue in a different way.


As you can see, i have looked a little deeper the past few days and 
discovered that there where a few choices that could have been done 
slightly different.





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On 2016-07-26 20:25, Narcis Garcia wrote:

scrooyahoo, you are wrong in a detail:
Google/captcha is not selecting *buntu projects.
Are *buntu projects that choose Google/captcha to be used with people.

A GNU/Linux distribution is this: a group of choices about software and
collective.





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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Liam Proven]

On 26 July 2016 at 17:50,   wrote:
> its backwards annoing and disrespects my privacy.


As a counter-argument, I'd argue that you are disrespecting us & the
other members of the (L)Ubuntu community by insisting on anonymity.

Anonymity is not privacy, nor is privacy equivalent to anonymity.

You join this mailing list and apparently expect to receive help and
support and you do not even have the manners to give your name.

As a parallel: if I was hosting a party, and someone came with a mask
on and refused to give their name, I would not welcome them. I'd throw
them out for their extreme rudeness.

A mailing list is no different.

As a general rule, whereas I frequent many mailing lists and a few
newsgroups, I generally will not help people using visibly false
names. I consider it poor manners.

You are complaining about a service of questionable legality being
blocked by an external service that is nothing to do with Ubuntu. This
is the wrong place to complain about it, we are the wrong people, and
I suggest you consider how your netiquette compares to basic
real-world manners and civility.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Simon Quigley]

You don't *have* to use webchat. You can use Kiwi IRC or any other IRC
client for that matter, but you can't use Tor on freenode.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Narcis Garcia]

scrooyahoo, you are wrong in a detail:
Google/captcha is not selecting *buntu projects.
Are *buntu projects that choose Google/captcha to be used with people.

A GNU/Linux distribution is this: a group of choices about software and
collective.


El 26/07/16 a les 17:50, scrooya...@riseup.net ha escrit:
> Hi Narcis,
> 
> better to exaggerate a bit then to ignore it?
> 
> the fact is that it's WAY out of proportion
> 
> 
> I as a human try to get a little bit of privacy, and the whole US based
> IT industry does everything in its power to figure out who i am.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And yeah, i do agree with you, Lubuntu is the nicest version of *buntu.
> But this stuf is happening to me here... so i complain about it here,,,
> 
> 
> I'm just a bit pissed about it, Google invaded *buntu with captchas?? 
> those captchas come from google or not??
> 
> 
> So i understand that you find that i may overreact a bit, but if *buntu
> in general had done some thinking about this then there whould have been
> no need for me to overreact. So that ball is still on *buntu's site of
> the field.  pissed people tend to overreact a bit...
> 
> And hey, i first got a NEW mail account to be able to even communicate
> in here!
> 
> Then there is a Bug day that i really like, and i want to take part.
> (but with some basic privacy)
> 
> And i just get pushed AWAY with captcha crap.
> 
> THATS A BUG, so i hope someone has a look at it and manages to fix it. :-)
> 
> I'm not against Lubuntu in any way or form, i LIKE Lubuntu, but this
> captcha shit hinders me to help this project, it's difficult enough to
> deal with the tech stuff sometimes, and this CRAPCHA crap on top of it
> is REALLY annoying.
> 
> I'll try to end this discussion now and focus on Lubuntu. I hope that at
> least the captchas go away, its backwards annoing and disrespects my
> privacy.
> 
> 
> Again i really appreciate what the Lubuntu team has accomplished.  And i
> hope i can help to catch bugs.  ..but then i get bullied with catcha's...
> 
> That's all
>   :-)
> 
> So goolge manages to obstruct Lubuntu's progress with captchas,  a very
> strategic move to demote the competition and give android and chrome yet
> another advantage?  Does that make sense?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-07-26 11:02, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>> scrooyahoo or whoever are you;
>> You are exaggerating with subject about jews and World War II.
>>
>> *buntu OS distros are GNU/Linux flavours created with Canonical
>> policies, a company (not community) with *some* policies focused on FOSS
>> and community relationship.
>>
>> This is not a community-driven OS distribution, but there is enough
>> flexibility to be a decent GNU/Linux distro.
>> People who focuses all efforts to personal+community freedom and privacy
>> choose other distributions, and in that other collectives you will find
>> more people nearer to your minding.
>>
> 
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[scrooyahoo]

Hi Narcis,

better to exaggerate a bit then to ignore it?

the fact is that it's WAY out of proportion


I as a human try to get a little bit of privacy, and the whole US based 
IT industry does everything in its power to figure out who i am.





And yeah, i do agree with you, Lubuntu is the nicest version of *buntu. 
But this stuf is happening to me here... so i complain about it here,,,



I'm just a bit pissed about it, Google invaded *buntu with captchas??  
those captchas come from google or not??



So i understand that you find that i may overreact a bit, but if *buntu 
in general had done some thinking about this then there whould have been 
no need for me to overreact. So that ball is still on *buntu's site of 
the field.  pissed people tend to overreact a bit...


And hey, i first got a NEW mail account to be able to even communicate 
in here!


Then there is a Bug day that i really like, and i want to take part. 
(but with some basic privacy)


And i just get pushed AWAY with captcha crap.

THATS A BUG, so i hope someone has a look at it and manages to fix it. 
:-)


I'm not against Lubuntu in any way or form, i LIKE Lubuntu, but this 
captcha shit hinders me to help this project, it's difficult enough to 
deal with the tech stuff sometimes, and this CRAPCHA crap on top of it 
is REALLY annoying.


I'll try to end this discussion now and focus on Lubuntu. I hope that at 
least the captchas go away, its backwards annoing and disrespects my 
privacy.



Again i really appreciate what the Lubuntu team has accomplished.  And i 
hope i can help to catch bugs.  ..but then i get bullied with 
catcha's...


That's all
  :-)

So goolge manages to obstruct Lubuntu's progress with captchas,  a very 
strategic move to demote the competition and give android and chrome yet 
another advantage?  Does that make sense?







On 2016-07-26 11:02, Narcis Garcia wrote:

scrooyahoo or whoever are you;
You are exaggerating with subject about jews and World War II.

*buntu OS distros are GNU/Linux flavours created with Canonical
policies, a company (not community) with *some* policies focused on 
FOSS

and community relationship.

This is not a community-driven OS distribution, but there is enough
flexibility to be a decent GNU/Linux distro.
People who focuses all efforts to personal+community freedom and 
privacy

choose other distributions, and in that other collectives you will find
more people nearer to your minding.




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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Israel]

Hi,
In my experience if you want to know what your computer is doing, and 
every single thing is hand picked to provide the best 
security/privacy/etc...
Use Arch.  It is pretty easy to install (if you like terminals) and is 
really configurable  The FSF advocates Trisequel GNU/Linux so that 
might be another option for a preconfigured privacy respecting distro.  
There is no proprietary firmware so things may not work ccorrectly on 
some hardware.


If you do not want to use a terminal, there is not much you can do to 
ensure much of anything, though..
IF you want to go ALL out, you can use LFS... but that is a bit overkill 
unless uyou really are just looking to learn more about GNU/Linux


On 07/26/2016 04:02 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:

scrooyahoo or whoever are you;
You are exaggerating with subject about jews and World War II.

*buntu OS distros are GNU/Linux flavours created with Canonical
policies, a company (not community) with *some* policies focused on FOSS
and community relationship.

This is not a community-driven OS distribution, but there is enough
flexibility to be a decent GNU/Linux distro.
People who focuses all efforts to personal+community freedom and privacy
choose other distributions, and in that other collectives you will find
more people nearer to your minding.



El 26/07/16 a les 09:52, scrooya...@riseup.net ha escrit:

:-) what is the address, i'll send a handwritten message (i do not
*need* to use the internet?)

I do understand, that it's not really in canonicals hands, but it really
pisses me off that every tiny attempt i do to get a little bit of
privacy is undermined by whole automated systems that keep kicking me
around until they still have my details...

It's just BRUTAL, and Canonical / *buntu / freenode should not look away
from this shit.

Before WWII the people in germany looked away / did nothing / followed
orders, and we all know how that played out right?

So i'm not going to igore this and sat *Sorry*  not my depertment.

I'm HUMAN and privacy IS my department, Without privacy I cannot be
"UBUNTU"

Afterall Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning ‘humanity to others’.

So if this is not the case then Canonical should not use the word.

And it sucks that I feel the need to defend myself here. (of all places)

Has it really come THIS FAR?

It's just SAD First the yahoo/gmail spam issue and now this.

What's next? will the US govrnment force me to wear a badge that says
PRIVACY EXTREMIST? O wait reCAPTCHA IS that badge!

Yahoo tags me, Google tags me, CAPCHA tags me, Paypal, Ebay, Amazon and
they ALL SHARE the tags trough DMARC.ORG.

Lets see how long it takes until Ubuntu One will join the DMARC cartel.


PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

PLEASE.  this is going WAY to far.


I'm not willing to fight this fight, and especially not here. But i cant
keep my mouth shut. Everywhere i go.
CAPTCHA CATCHA CAPTCHA discrimination
Spam discrimination
ETC.

I now start to understand how Jews must have felt 75 years ago.

I'm pissed.

Nothing personal against you Simon, just large scale corporate sadness.













On 2016-07-26 09:04, Simon Quigley wrote:

That's where Lubuntu hosts it's IRC channels and we don't plan on
changing that any time soon. Sorry.

If you want to avoid it, just send emails to the mailing list with
your results. You don't *need* to use IRC. :)

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[Narcis Garcia]

scrooyahoo or whoever are you;
You are exaggerating with subject about jews and World War II.

*buntu OS distros are GNU/Linux flavours created with Canonical
policies, a company (not community) with *some* policies focused on FOSS
and community relationship.

This is not a community-driven OS distribution, but there is enough
flexibility to be a decent GNU/Linux distro.
People who focuses all efforts to personal+community freedom and privacy
choose other distributions, and in that other collectives you will find
more people nearer to your minding.



El 26/07/16 a les 09:52, scrooya...@riseup.net ha escrit:
> :-) what is the address, i'll send a handwritten message (i do not
> *need* to use the internet?)
> 
> I do understand, that it's not really in canonicals hands, but it really
> pisses me off that every tiny attempt i do to get a little bit of
> privacy is undermined by whole automated systems that keep kicking me
> around until they still have my details...
> 
> It's just BRUTAL, and Canonical / *buntu / freenode should not look away
> from this shit.
> 
> Before WWII the people in germany looked away / did nothing / followed
> orders, and we all know how that played out right?
> 
> So i'm not going to igore this and sat *Sorry*  not my depertment.
> 
> I'm HUMAN and privacy IS my department, Without privacy I cannot be
> "UBUNTU"
> 
> Afterall Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning ‘humanity to others’.
> 
> So if this is not the case then Canonical should not use the word.
> 
> And it sucks that I feel the need to defend myself here. (of all places)
> 
> Has it really come THIS FAR?
> 
> It's just SAD First the yahoo/gmail spam issue and now this.
> 
> What's next? will the US govrnment force me to wear a badge that says
> PRIVACY EXTREMIST? O wait reCAPTCHA IS that badge!
> 
> Yahoo tags me, Google tags me, CAPCHA tags me, Paypal, Ebay, Amazon and
> they ALL SHARE the tags trough DMARC.ORG.
> 
> Lets see how long it takes until Ubuntu One will join the DMARC cartel.
> 
> 
> PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS
> 
> PLEASE.  this is going WAY to far.
> 
> 
> I'm not willing to fight this fight, and especially not here. But i cant
> keep my mouth shut. Everywhere i go.
> CAPTCHA CATCHA CAPTCHA discrimination
> Spam discrimination
> ETC.
> 
> I now start to understand how Jews must have felt 75 years ago.
> 
> I'm pissed.
> 
> Nothing personal against you Simon, just large scale corporate sadness.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-07-26 09:04, Simon Quigley wrote:
>> That's where Lubuntu hosts it's IRC channels and we don't plan on
>> changing that any time soon. Sorry.
>>
>> If you want to avoid it, just send emails to the mailing list with
>> your results. You don't *need* to use IRC. :)
>>
>> -- 
>> Simon Quigley
>> tsimo...@ubuntu.com
>> tsimonq2 on Freenode
> 
> 

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[scrooyahoo]

:-) what is the address, i'll send a handwritten message (i do not 
*need* to use the internet?)


I do understand, that it's not really in canonicals hands, but it really 
pisses me off that every tiny attempt i do to get a little bit of 
privacy is undermined by whole automated systems that keep kicking me 
around until they still have my details...


It's just BRUTAL, and Canonical / *buntu / freenode should not look away 
from this shit.


Before WWII the people in germany looked away / did nothing / followed 
orders, and we all know how that played out right?


So i'm not going to igore this and sat *Sorry*  not my depertment.

I'm HUMAN and privacy IS my department, Without privacy I cannot be 
"UBUNTU"


Afterall Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning ‘humanity to others’.

So if this is not the case then Canonical should not use the word.

And it sucks that I feel the need to defend myself here. (of all places)

Has it really come THIS FAR?

It's just SAD First the yahoo/gmail spam issue and now this.

What's next? will the US govrnment force me to wear a badge that says 
PRIVACY EXTREMIST? O wait reCAPTCHA IS that badge!


Yahoo tags me, Google tags me, CAPCHA tags me, Paypal, Ebay, Amazon and 
they ALL SHARE the tags trough DMARC.ORG.


Lets see how long it takes until Ubuntu One will join the DMARC cartel.


PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

PLEASE.  this is going WAY to far.


I'm not willing to fight this fight, and especially not here. But i cant 
keep my mouth shut. Everywhere i go.

CAPTCHA CATCHA CAPTCHA discrimination
Spam discrimination
ETC.

I now start to understand how Jews must have felt 75 years ago.

I'm pissed.

Nothing personal against you Simon, just large scale corporate sadness.













On 2016-07-26 09:04, Simon Quigley wrote:

That's where Lubuntu hosts it's IRC channels and we don't plan on
changing that any time soon. Sorry.

If you want to avoid it, just send emails to the mailing list with
your results. You don't *need* to use IRC. :)

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Simon Quigley]

That's where Lubuntu hosts it's IRC channels and we don't plan on changing that 
any time soon. Sorry.

If you want to avoid it, just send emails to the mailing list with your 
results. You don't *need* to use IRC. :)

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Narcis Garcia]

Lubuntu project should not submit to this Freenode policy.


El 26/07/16 a les 08:59, Simon Quigley ha escrit:
> This is not an issue with Canonical, Ubuntu, or any Linux distribution for 
> that matter. freenode has a policy against using Tor.
> 
> Sorry.
> 

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[Simon Quigley]

This is not an issue with Canonical, Ubuntu, or any Linux distribution for that 
matter. freenode has a policy against using Tor.

Sorry.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[scrooyahoo]

First bug i encountered:

Privacy invading reCAPTCHA crap - reCRAPCHA

I use TOR pretty much by default, not that i have anything to hide, but 
im not a nudist either
and when being on the ubuntu website Google captchas are snooping on 
me...


the part of the catcha that sends me 50k packages per image that i must 
select to do the snooping does not fit in the box,

so i dont have a clue what the question is, what images i should click

SO i'm FORCED to go naked into the IRC...  Not cool, not cool at all


lets see if i can get over this kinky shit, and join in. Not my style, 
but i'll try. If i can get trough the reCRAPCHA...






On 2016-07-25 18:53, Simon Quigley wrote:
Join us in a few hours for an Ubuntu On Air session about Lubuntu Bug 
Day!


The YouTube link and an embedded IRC client is on
http://ubuntuonair.com/ , otherwise, go to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vAaE37fZSM and #ubuntu-on-air on
freenode with your own IRC client.

And remember, Bug Day is tomorrow! http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-bug-day/

I hope to see you all there!

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[lubuntu-users] Lubuntu Bug Day Ubuntu On Air Session at 19:00 UTC

[Simon Quigley]

Join us in a few hours for an Ubuntu On Air session about Lubuntu Bug Day!

The YouTube link and an embedded IRC client is on
http://ubuntuonair.com/ , otherwise, go to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vAaE37fZSM and #ubuntu-on-air on
freenode with your own IRC client.

And remember, Bug Day is tomorrow! http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-bug-day/

I hope to see you all there!

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