[LUTE] Re: Ornaments in French baroque music

2008-03-13 Thread David Tayler 


And the port de voix (rhymes soleil) usually is 
very long in the middle of phrase (longer than 
the main note), shortish at the very end of a 
phrase or piece, and finished with a battement 
(i.e., not really performed without a finishing twiddle).


Modern practice is to play the ones at the end of 
the piece longer, often without the battement, or 
to play the main note too long, thus removing the 
dissonance. This is most seen in orchestra playing.
Ideally, the ornamnent/ dissonance structure 
should have an arch shape, with the exception of 
the mini arch of the cadence or cadenza.
Even in harpsichord books, ornaments vary, so 
without the key you have to make a few guesses.

dt





dt



I think the ornaments are the same, and should be played as a hammer on,
or an appoggiatura from below, i.e.

c) = bc

Best wishes,

Stewart McCoy.

-Original Message-
From: Arkadia Trio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 March 2008 10:53
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Ornaments in French baroque music

Dear friends,
the following is a bourrée from a French manuscript for mandora:
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1962/mandoraboureelt7.jpg
Which is, in your opinion, the difference between the two ornaments
marked
in yellow?

Thanks,
Fabio




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[LUTE] How to become a great lute player...

2008-03-13 Thread Gernot Hilger 

.. even if you don't bother to tune the axe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8



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[LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player...

2008-03-13 Thread Rob MacKillop 
..uuurrrggghhh

On 13/03/2008, Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 .. even if you don't bother to tune the axe:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8



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[LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player...

2008-03-13 Thread Lindberg Richard-MGIA0539 
Yuch! 

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To: Gernot Hilger
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player...

.uuurrrggghhh

On 13/03/2008, Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 .. even if you don't bother to tune the axe:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8



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[LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player...

2008-03-13 Thread Joseph Mayes 
..and I have been wasting all this time twisting those darn pegs.


On 3/13/08 8:34 AM, Lindberg Richard-MGIA0539 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Yuch! 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:10 AM
 To: Gernot Hilger
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: How to become a great lute player...
 
 .uuurrrggghhh
 
 On 13/03/2008, Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 .. even if you don't bother to tune the axe:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8
 
 
 
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