And the port de voix (rhymes soleil) usually is very long in the middle of phrase (longer than the main note), shortish at the very end of a phrase or piece, and finished with a battement (i.e., not really performed without a finishing twiddle).
Modern practice is to play the ones at the end of the piece longer, often without the battement, or to play the main note too long, thus removing the dissonance. This is most seen in orchestra playing. Ideally, the ornamnent/ dissonance structure should have an arch shape, with the exception of the mini arch of the cadence or cadenza. Even in harpsichord books, ornaments vary, so without the key you have to make a few guesses.
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I think the ornaments are the same, and should be played as a hammer on, or an appoggiatura from below, i.e. c) = bc Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -----Original Message----- From: Arkadia Trio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 March 2008 10:53 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Ornaments in French baroque music Dear friends, the following is a bourrée from a French manuscript for mandora: http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1962/mandoraboureelt7.jpg Which is, in your opinion, the difference between the two ornaments marked in yellow? Thanks, Fabio To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
