[BAROQUE-LUTE] new theorbo
I've been reminded that some of you on this Baroque Lute list are not on the Lute list, so here is a cross posting (sorry if you have received it twice). I have a wonderful new theorbo. Sound file and pics: http://www.rmguitar.info/theorbo.htm Rob PS I suppose a theorbo is a baroque lute of sorts, so not off topic...possibly the first baroque lute...? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
-- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
I wrote to the company saying that the download failed, and they sent me downloads of the booklet but not the sound files...I've replied asking specifically for the sound files. I've downloaded many mp3s from various sites, with no problem at all. I hope this is a one-off. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
Last time I bought a cd from E lucevan le stelle the download didn't work first time - I sent them an email and they emailed back straight away with a new link which did work... Andrew On 28 Mar 2008, at 07:23, Rob MacKillop wrote: I wrote to the company saying that the download failed, and they sent me downloads of the booklet but not the sound files...I've replied asking specifically for the sound files. I've downloaded many mp3s from various sites, with no problem at all. I hope this is a one-off. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
If you can't work things out with the company, Paypal usually will refund your money. Go to the main Paypal page, find your transaction and open a dispute (but try to sort it out with seller first). DS On Mar 28, 2008, at 3:20 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
Rob, apropos your plight, this recent youtube from Marco Mencoboni is curiously coincidental. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7obecRjpwG4 Ah! The world of early music records... The Mouton recording by F. Pavan sounds great though. I'd like to find scores of tracks 11 and 26. Good Luck G. - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 I wrote to the company saying that the download failed, and they sent me downloads of the booklet but not the sound files...I've replied asking specifically for the sound files. I've downloaded many mp3s from various sites, with no problem at all. I hope this is a one-off. Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at 2 ko/second... It took the day ! They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose ! Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 08:20:28 === -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
I agree, Jean-Marie, they do need to do so something to improve their service. I have just had an email from them asking ME to apologise to THEM for making people on this lute list aware of the problems I have had. They accuse me of not being able to download a file. However, it seems from other remarks on this list that I am not the only one who is incapable of saving a file! They have also offered me one file to download at a time - many tracks. I can't be bothered. Poor Franco Pavan - a player well-worth hearing. Hopefully in the future he will record with a proper record company, one which doesn't accuse its customers of being incompetent in the most basic of computer operations. They obviously read this list. I'm sure some of you have had no problems, but clearly some of us have had problems. Apparently we should all apologise to them, so here goes: I am indeed sorry I bothered trying to download one of your discs. It won't happen again. Rob On 28/03/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at 2 ko/second... It took the day ! They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose ! Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 08:20:28 == -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008 --
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
The company have very kindly and very promptly returned my money. I'm so sorry this didn't work out. I want to encourage downloads, especially as discs are so hard to find. I've had a few thousand downloads of mp3s on my own website - a free service. Why is it so much harder when money is involved?! Good luck to them, nonetheless. Judging by the snipets on their website it sounds like a great recording. I wish Franco well with it. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
I have never had a single problem with Magnatune or Emusic or ITunes, but it was not the same with them. It's a pity, because the couple od Cds I have downloaded are really worth listening and as you say it's too bad for Franco Pavan who does a very good job indeed. If, as you suspect Rob, they read this list, I do hope they will manage to improve the situation. In the meanwhile I have given up downloading from their site... Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 13:18:21 === I agree, Jean-Marie, they do need to do so something to improve their service. I have just had an email from them asking ME to apologise to THEM for making people on this lute list aware of the problems I have had. They accuse me of not being able to download a file. However, it seems from other remarks on this list that I am not the only one who is incapable of saving a file! They have also offered me one file to download at a time - many tracks. I can't be bothered. Poor Franco Pavan - a player well-worth hearing. Hopefully in the future he will record with a proper record company, one which doesn't accuse its customers of being incompetent in the most basic of computer operations. They obviously read this list. I'm sure some of you have had no problems, but clearly some of us have had problems. Apparently we should all apologise to them, so here goes: I am indeed sorry I bothered trying to download one of your discs. It won't happen again. Rob On 28/03/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at 2 ko/second... It took the day ! They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose ! Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 08:20:28 === -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
Do they perhaps also sell CDs? Or does Franco Pavan have the right to sell them himself under the CD format. Personally, I have rarely downloaded music for fear of saturating my computer. Often, the performer has a right to sell directly. I have certainly bought CDs directly from certain performers. I will not say which ones for fear they were bending the rules. Regards Anthony Le 28 mars 08 à 15:52, Jean-Marie Poirier a écrit : I have never had a single problem with Magnatune or Emusic or ITunes, but it was not the same with them. It's a pity, because the couple od Cds I have downloaded are really worth listening and as you say it's too bad for Franco Pavan who does a very good job indeed. If, as you suspect Rob, they read this list, I do hope they will manage to improve the situation. In the meanwhile I have given up downloading from their site... Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 13:18:21 === I agree, Jean-Marie, they do need to do so something to improve their service. I have just had an email from them asking ME to apologise to THEM for making people on this lute list aware of the problems I have had. They accuse me of not being able to download a file. However, it seems from other remarks on this list that I am not the only one who is incapable of saving a file! They have also offered me one file to download at a time - many tracks. I can't be bothered. Poor Franco Pavan - a player well-worth hearing. Hopefully in the future he will record with a proper record company, one which doesn't accuse its customers of being incompetent in the most basic of computer operations. They obviously read this list. I'm sure some of you have had no problems, but clearly some of us have had problems. Apparently we should all apologise to them, so here goes: I am indeed sorry I bothered trying to download one of your discs. It won't happen again. Rob On 28/03/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at 2 ko/second... It took the day ! They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose ! Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 08:20:28 === -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008
[LUTE] Re: Heinichen for theorbo
Dear Jeff Thanks for sharing that. No, theorbo-as-I-know-it is not a good idea, your experience confirms my thoughts about that. Perhaps archlute, or my bass lute in d' (aka the fake mandora). thanks again David - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Heinichen for theorbo Hi, David-- I was asked to play the piece with a student ensemble a couple years ago. They all played modern instruments at 440. I played a gut-strung theorbo in A that was generally tuned at 415. I ended up rewriting the part just so I had something to play--if I'd had my way, I would perhaps have used an archlute or even a largish lute, but the director insisted on the theorbo (looked cool!). As I recall, the middle movement was not bad, but the outer movements were very active way up the neck. Anyway, it was a very unpleasant musical experience and not something I want to do again soon. Based on my experience, I'm convinced that the part was not written for a theorbo in A with top two strings in re-entrant tuning. Good luck. jeff LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm to play the Heinichen concerto in D for flute, oboe, violins, cello, theorbo and bc (Seibel 226) next month. Anybody ever did this before and remember what instrument he/she used? It says tiorba in the autograph. The range is A1 till a'. C and C# are both needed, as are E and E-flat, F and F#, and G and G#. Looks more like gallichon than theorbo as we know it, I'd say? Another calcedono sighting on my music stand this weekend, by the way, in the Telemann Kantate zum zweiten Osterfeiertag 'Herr! ich bin beide'. Just playing along with the continuo, no obligato part. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
Re Magnatune Magnatune gives half of the sale, net, to the artists. This is a good thing! Plus, they invite you to give away a few free copies, which may seem strange, but it also a good idea. dt At 07:52 AM 3/28/2008, you wrote: I have never had a single problem with Magnatune or Emusic or ITunes, but it was not the same with them. It's a pity, because the couple od Cds I have downloaded are really worth listening and as you say it's too bad for Franco Pavan who does a very good job indeed. If, as you suspect Rob, they read this list, I do hope they will manage to improve the situation. In the meanwhile I have given up downloading from their site... Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 13:18:21 === I agree, Jean-Marie, they do need to do so something to improve their service. I have just had an email from them asking ME to apologise to THEM for making people on this lute list aware of the problems I have had. They accuse me of not being able to download a file. However, it seems from other remarks on this list that I am not the only one who is incapable of saving a file! They have also offered me one file to download at a time - many tracks. I can't be bothered. Poor Franco Pavan - a player well-worth hearing. Hopefully in the future he will record with a proper record company, one which doesn't accuse its customers of being incompetent in the most basic of computer operations. They obviously read this list. I'm sure some of you have had no problems, but clearly some of us have had problems. Apparently we should all apologise to them, so here goes: I am indeed sorry I bothered trying to download one of your discs. It won't happen again. Rob On 28/03/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at 2 ko/second... It took the day ! They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose ! Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 08:20:28 === -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008
[LUTE] Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
Just a few words in defense of E lucevan le stelle. I feel sorry that a number of people on this list were put off by the download problems. I\'m sure the company will do their best to resolve them; they are very well aware of the problem. Well, I had some minor problems with my downloads too but eventually it all worked OK (it was sorted out through a few friendly email exchanges). And was really worth it! Marco Pavan\'s interpretation of Mouton\'s music is quite amazing, perhaps the best so far (in my liking anyway). I only wish he could record more of the French 11-course repertoire. Alexander PS: By the way, Eduardo Egüezs Tombeau from E lucevan le stelle is really good too! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
I had the same problem, some time ago. Download failed. But they were very helpful to deliver the files in the end. I think it's hard for a small label to meet the standards in all ways, but I think its worth supporting them, as their music is quite nice and comes at a fair price. Regards we Rob MacKillop schrieb: I wrote to the company saying that the download failed, and they sent me downloads of the booklet but not the sound files...I've replied asking specifically for the sound files. I've downloaded many mp3s from various sites, with no problem at all. I hope this is a one-off. Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: my new theorbo! - pics and sound file
Congrats. It's lovely to eye and ear. Eugene At 06:10 AM 3/27/2008, Rob MacKillop wrote: I brought this home on Tuesday from Malcolm Prior's workshop - a stunning theorbo in A, 85cms string length. I've uploaded a photographic history of its construction, and an mp3 file of Piccinini's Corrente Prima - a slower than I would have liked performance, but I think (hope) you will forgive me! These are difficult instruments to get around on, and I haven't had much time: http://www.rmguitar.info/theorbo.htm This was my first commission for Malcolm Prior, but it certainly won't be my last. He had a 10c ready for shipping to Germany which I fell head over heels in love with. Malcolm has had an on/off/on/off building career these last few years as he twice became a father, but he is now very much back into building lutes, and by all accounts better than ever. I think he has reached the top rank of luthiers. He is currently updating his website, but it is already well worth a visit. Excuse my gushing - I am not on commission - honest! Rob MacKillop www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326
Thanks for the plug with Magnatune. They have been a very good company to work with. I hope to obtain a copy of the Mouton disc. ed At 03:52 PM 3/28/2008 +0100, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: I have never had a single problem with Magnatune or Emusic or ITunes, but it was not the same with them. It's a pity, because the couple od Cds I have downloaded are really worth listening and as you say it's too bad for Franco Pavan who does a very good job indeed. If, as you suspect Rob, they read this list, I do hope they will manage to improve the situation. In the meanwhile I have given up downloading from their site... Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 13:18:21 === I agree, Jean-Marie, they do need to do so something to improve their service. I have just had an email from them asking ME to apologise to THEM for making people on this lute list aware of the problems I have had. They accuse me of not being able to download a file. However, it seems from other remarks on this list that I am not the only one who is incapable of saving a file! They have also offered me one file to download at a time - many tracks. I can't be bothered. Poor Franco Pavan - a player well-worth hearing. Hopefully in the future he will record with a proper record company, one which doesn't accuse its customers of being incompetent in the most basic of computer operations. They obviously read this list. I'm sure some of you have had no problems, but clearly some of us have had problems. Apparently we should all apologise to them, so here goes: I am indeed sorry I bothered trying to download one of your discs. It won't happen again. Rob On 28/03/2008, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had the same problem with tthem Rob, for other downloads... They eventuelly sent me a different address system and I could download what I had paid for, at 2 ko/second... It took the day ! They should do something to improve their service and make it reliable. Too bad, especially as they have good music to propose ! Best, Jean-Marie === 28-03-2008 08:20:28 === -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 27 Mar 2008 23:05 Subject: Re: [LUTE] WG: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 To: wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a problem with this. I paid for the download with paypal. The money was taken out of my account, but the download didn't work. Now I'm going to have to negotiate downloading the files again for free, or get my money back - not easy when you don't speak the language. Take care. Rob On 27/03/2008, wolfgang wiehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: E lucevan le stelle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Marz 2008 13:34 An: E lucevan le stelle Betreff: Charles Mouton lute music EL 082326 Charles Mouton lute music by Franco Pavan EL 082326 Dear friends of Music, we are very proud to present you a wonderful recording: http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/le-mouton-fabuleux/ Best regards from E lucevan le stelle Records -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 28-03-2008 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1347 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 7:15 PM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Fingering question
- Original Message - From: Ron Andrico [EMAIL PROTECTED] (One issue with Francesco' 'La Compagna' is that the piece may not really be his after all, coming from a much later source.) ooo Victor Coelho's theory was throughly knocked down at the Francesco conference in Milan by Chris Wilson. A third source has surfaced for the Compagna ricercar, likewise attributed to Francesco. The Siena MS has works from throughout the 16th century, including one of the first works by Francesco to appear in print. It was printed in 1529 in a corrupt version, and the correct version appears 50 years later in a retrospective anthology of Italian lute music, the Siena MS. Nothing in between. The Siena lute book is perhaps the single most important Italian source of the century. Its contents range from music from the Petrucci era through the 1590s, in readings that are eminently superior to almost every other source. It has lots of pieces from the early quarter century, and surely we wouldn't attribute them all to composers from the end of the century just because there is no earlier extant copy. That a lute virtuoso from the hills of Tuscany was composing works for lute and putting Francesco's name on them is utter nonsense. Victor's theory about Leonardo da Vinci's beard is ingeneous, but it just doesn't fly. Plop! I have already commented just a few days ago on how literally tons of lute music have disappeared, and so lack of an early printed edition is not sign that the work is not by Francesco. Manscripts and prints which may have contained it are simply lost. Elsewhere I commented on the Casteliono Book II that Mdme Thibault let me use. La Compagna may very well be in a first Casteliono (Book I), which has not survived in a currently accsessible public collection. If there was a print with No. 34 from about 1547, that is probably where it was (is?). Rumor has it that . . . Victor himself has admitted he was mistaken in unattributing La Compagna from Francesco's works. Nice theory. Rest assured lutenists can ignorre Leonard da Vinci's beard and all that, and once again safely attribute No. 34 to Francesco da Milano. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= Free Download of the Week Wagner's Siegfried Idyll performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher Seaman, conductor. For this week's free download from Classical Music Library go to my web page and click on Alexander Street Press link: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ === To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html