[LUTE] Re: Microphone
I have nothing against the zoom, I think it is priced about right, the Fostex competes favorably with more expensive, professional gear. The Fostex also has headroom, you can add a pair of Senheisers or Schoeps to it, and viola! You have a versatile, professional, audiophile system. The zoom is maybe more convenient, but two mics, a stand a Fostex and some clips takes me ten minutes. If I shave five minutes from that--or seven, it's nice, but not worth the tradeoff in sound. Another way to look at it is, would you buy a lute just because the pegs worked well and you could save time tuning? Maybe. Then again, there may be something new that is better, there always is. dt At 07:49 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote: Dear David, Looking foward to hear about it. Actually, do you like the Zoom H2 recorder? The price is good. 2008/9/20 David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] tascam's stuff is not what it was. I will be at the AES show in a few weeks and I'll post a report of the good lute recording stuff, there may be a Fostex beater out there, or some new budget mics. Always look for a noise figure of 129.5 EIN in a preamp and A weighted 10-15 in a mic. It won't tell you about the sound, but if it is noisy you really can't use it for lute. The Sennheisers have realy the best noise management, but the Schoeps are not far beyond. There's some budget mics that have good noise figures, but the capsules are not good. The Studio Projects B1 has a good combo of a soft mylar/gold capsule and good electronics, I'll have more info after the show. dt To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On preparing to record
I'm standing in the street about ten metres from the base of the tower. I used the rear 120 setting on the Zoom, mics pointing towards the church and away from the street. I rather like the starlings, but not so keen on the traffic. Martin Michael Gillespie wrote: Oh!, such a clear (and pleasent) sound! If you don't mind... what is your method of recording? Are you inside the tower?, its so clear! -Michael, ps - i love the drone bell at the end! On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, Well, here it is. Next time I must get the whole thing, at noon, and with less traffic - 9am is a busy time in a little French town! Best wishes, Martin Michael Gillespie wrote: I'm wary of revealing the location in case the local mairie wants royalties... - haha, I'm waiting for my intro to music industry class to start as I read that! I would love to hear the recording, I've done some searching for (good quality) recordings but have found very little. I am in Richmond Virginia, USA... there are a few around here but they are so far apart. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, I can send an MP3 to anyone who's interested. I only discovered after doing the recording (at 9am) that the carillon at 12 noon plays the same tune, then follows it with 4 or 5 other tunes, so I must record the whole thing when I go back there again - which will be (probably) July 2009. I'm wary of revealing the location in case the local mairie wants royalties... Best to all, Martin Michael Gillespie wrote: Is this recording of the carillon going to be available?! On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, such quality is something special to French churches, didn't you notice ? ;- Jean-Marie ( no kidding I agree 100% with what you wrote about recording and I also own a H2 Zoom : wonderful little machine !) Just an aside - the small size and built-in mics of the Zoom make it ideal for field recording. I recently used it to record the carillon at a church in France, and it came out really well, complete with birdsong! Best wishes, Martin [2][6]www.luteshop.co.uk [7]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [4][10]http://poirierjm.free.fr [11]http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 20-09-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at [5][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. [16]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. [19]http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 5. [20]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 7. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 8. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 11. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 15. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 16. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 17. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 18. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 19. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 21. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] More of the delectable Gordon Ferries
Dear All, More vids up on Gordon's YouTube page (soon to be on his website) ... this time a piece by Morlaye and a couple by Adrien Le Roy recorded on his Renaissance guitar. Well worth using the 'high quality' option on YouTube! Elly www.youtube.com/bananamunga www.gordonferries.com -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Microphone [Scanned]
I think you ought to look at the Boss BR series. I use a BR 1600 CD. 16 Tracks - so that's 16 mics - 256 virtual tracks and more microphone, ambience, hall, reverb blah, blah, blah settings that you can shake a stick at. It also allows you to produce professional grade CD's without the need to move to another package. The 1600 has just dropped in price too. To quote the american phrasecheck it out. Neil -Original Message- From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2008 08:59 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Microphone I have nothing against the zoom, I think it is priced about right, the Fostex competes favorably with more expensive, professional gear. The Fostex also has headroom, you can add a pair of Senheisers or Schoeps to it, and viola! You have a versatile, professional, audiophile system. The zoom is maybe more convenient, but two mics, a stand a Fostex and some clips takes me ten minutes. If I shave five minutes from that--or seven, it's nice, but not worth the tradeoff in sound. Another way to look at it is, would you buy a lute just because the pegs worked well and you could save time tuning? Maybe. Then again, there may be something new that is better, there always is. dt At 07:49 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote: Dear David, Looking foward to hear about it. Actually, do you like the Zoom H2 recorder? The price is good. 2008/9/20 David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] tascam's stuff is not what it was. I will be at the AES show in a few weeks and I'll post a report of the good lute recording stuff, there may be a Fostex beater out there, or some new budget mics. Always look for a noise figure of 129.5 EIN in a preamp and A weighted 10-15 in a mic. It won't tell you about the sound, but if it is noisy you really can't use it for lute. The Sennheisers have realy the best noise management, but the Schoeps are not far beyond. There's some budget mics that have good noise figures, but the capsules are not good. The Studio Projects B1 has a good combo of a soft mylar/gold capsule and good electronics, I'll have more info after the show. dt To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] tune the tuna
I'm still looking for a new shiny tuner, my old one...well, old. long time ago Korg had the OT-12 (i think it was 12) tuner, a nice tuner, memory, all kind of neat stuff. my friend has it and she's using it to tune her viol. now, Korg have only the OT-120, no memory, few presets. but again, no memory. the presets are nice touch to it, but i cant build my own like in the older model and i really don't want to use automatic tuning, i want to hear the sound, like in the old days when i was young and stupid. any way now... i really need a new tuner. so any suggestions for a nice and shiny tuner will be accepted. i also accept lutes, if you want to send me one or two. thank you, Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
Aside from octave stringing on the 4th and 5th cources, was not Francisco Gerau's tuning identical to strings 5 thru 1 of the modern guutar? Surely Gerau was not the first to use this non-reentrant tuning for the baroque guitar. Gary - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vihuelalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:12 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lineage of early Guitars This is really an impossible question short of writing a book on the subject. However - received wisdom I think is that the vihuela could originally be played with a bow, a plectrum or finger style - to whit vihuela de arco vihuela de penola vihuela de mano. However guitars or instruments called guitarra seem to have existed alongside the vihuela and it is not altogether clear whether this was simply a vihuela with fewer strings or derived from a different prototype. Be that as it may, the present day classical guitar is probably not a direct descendent of the vihuela - because in between you get my good friend the baroque guitar which had only five courses and a re-entrant tuning and was all the rage in the 17th and early 18th century. About the middle of the 18th century someone had the bright idea of putting a sixth course on it - or back on it ...and the rest... as they say ...is history. Hope that's helpful and I don't spark off a whole correspndence from people who disagree with my History of the guitar in a nutshell. Monica - Original Message - From: Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Lineage of early Guitars Guys, I have read various sources on the web about the relation of the Vihuela to other stringed instruments. I am looking for information on the lineage of the modern Acoustic Guitars. I read on one site that the Vihuela was once a bowed instrument, is the Classical and Flamenco Guitars you see today direct relatives of the Vihuela, or are there other instruments that influenced them first? Josh -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
On the advice of several people on this list, I recently bought the Sonic Research ST-122 Strobe Tuner. It works a treat - amazingly accurate - you can use it to set your frets. And you can program custom temperaments. It even picks up very clearly the bass notes on a clavichord - which is something no tuner I've used previously has managed to do... But does it produce sounds? - don't know - I'd have to check when I get home. Here's a link to Sonic Research: http://www.turbo-tuner.com/ They were happy to ship internationally. (BTW Omer - I believe our lutes are related - I got my 7c Hans Frei type from James Marriage shortly after you did.) Andrew On 23 Sep 2008, at 09:28, Omer katzir wrote: I'm still looking for a new shiny tuner, my old one...well, old. long time ago Korg had the OT-12 (i think it was 12) tuner, a nice tuner, memory, all kind of neat stuff. my friend has it and she's using it to tune her viol. now, Korg have only the OT-120, no memory, few presets. but again, no memory. the presets are nice touch to it, but i cant build my own like in the older model and i really don't want to use automatic tuning, i want to hear the sound, like in the old days when i was young and stupid. any way now... i really need a new tuner. so any suggestions for a nice and shiny tuner will be accepted. i also accept lutes, if you want to send me one or two. thank you, Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
Sonic Research Turbo Tuner: ST 122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner. www.turbo-tuner.com Fully programmable, very accurate, excellent mic, input for clip mic, robust design, joy to use. Serious omission: no play back. David - had a weekend of continuously tuning an all-gut 10-course in between recording sessions -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More of the delectable Gordon Ferries
Oh, ye of little faith...already on his website... Rob MacKillop, webmeister! 2008/9/23 Eleanor Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All, More vids up on Gordon's YouTube page (soon to be on his website) ... this time a piece by Morlaye and a couple by Adrien Le Roy recorded on his Renaissance guitar. Well worth using the 'high quality' option on YouTube! Elly [2]www.youtube.com/bananamunga [3]www.gordonferries.com -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.youtube.com/bananamunga 3. http://www.gordonferries.com/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
oh joy oh joy! it looks like the thing i wanted!!! and even in early Star Trek style!!! now i can truly become the first jewish Captain Spock :-D thanks guys! going to order once i'll find my wallet...i think i put it inside my lute case again... On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:11 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sonic Research Turbo Tuner: ST 122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner. www.turbo-tuner.com Fully programmable, very accurate, excellent mic, input for clip mic, robust design, joy to use. Serious omission: no play back. David - had a weekend of continuously tuning an all-gut 10-course in between recording sessions -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
- Original Message - From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars Aside from octave stringing on the 4th and 5th cources, was not Francisco Gerau's tuning identical to strings 5 thru 1 of the modern guutar? Surely Gerau was not the first to use this non-reentrant tuning for the baroque guitar. No - indeed he wasn't! Different ways of stringing the guitar were used throughout the 17th century. But better not to start going into that yet again. Different methods of stringing don't make that much difference to the music - in spite of what many people think. The point is that you must have high octave strings on the 4th and 5th courses for music to make sense which is why it doesn't work on a classical guitar. The low octave strings (bourdons) are an optional extra. Incidentaly Fuenllana's 5-course vihuela has the same interval pattern as the baroque guitar and the classical guitar without a 6th string. Monica Gary - Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vihuelalist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:12 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Lineage of early Guitars This is really an impossible question short of writing a book on the subject. However - received wisdom I think is that the vihuela could originally be played with a bow, a plectrum or finger style - to whit vihuela de arco vihuela de penola vihuela de mano. However guitars or instruments called guitarra seem to have existed alongside the vihuela and it is not altogether clear whether this was simply a vihuela with fewer strings or derived from a different prototype. Be that as it may, the present day classical guitar is probably not a direct descendent of the vihuela - because in between you get my good friend the baroque guitar which had only five courses and a re-entrant tuning and was all the rage in the 17th and early 18th century. About the middle of the 18th century someone had the bright idea of putting a sixth course on it - or back on it ...and the rest... as they say ...is history. Hope that's helpful and I don't spark off a whole correspndence from people who disagree with my History of the guitar in a nutshell. Monica - Original Message - From: Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Lineage of early Guitars Guys, I have read various sources on the web about the relation of the Vihuela to other stringed instruments. I am looking for information on the lineage of the modern Acoustic Guitars. I read on one site that the Vihuela was once a bowed instrument, is the Classical and Flamenco Guitars you see today direct relatives of the Vihuela, or are there other instruments that influenced them first? Josh -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
There's got to be some relation between my Classical Guitar and Lutes and such. Because with the right tuning, I get the same pitches as a Lute or Vihuela. (capo 3rd fret). -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
- Original Message - From: Joshua Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:00 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu There's got to be some relation between my Classical Guitar and Lutes and such. Because with the right tuning, I get the same pitches as a Lute or Vihuela. (capo 3rd fret). -- Capotasto at three is popular, but really pretty inconsequential. Pitch was much more plastic and less standardized until recent times. The more substantial difference between guitars in their common standard tunings and lute-like things of so-called renaissance tuning is the position of the third in relation to the highest string. Best, Eugene -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
Uhm, Leonard Nemoy was the first Jewish Spock (live long and prosper sign was a shin). I have been using this tuner for several months and also love it. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh joy oh joy! it looks like the thing i wanted!!! and even in early Star Trek style!!! now i can truly become the first jewish Captain Spock :-D thanks guys! going to order once i'll find my wallet...i think i put it inside my lute case again... On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:11 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sonic Research Turbo Tuner: ST 122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner. www.turbo-tuner.com Fully programmable, very accurate, excellent mic, input for clip mic, robust design, joy to use. Serious omission: no play back. David - had a weekend of continuously tuning an all-gut 10-course in between recording sessions -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: On preparing to record
On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:11 +0100, Martin Shepherd wrote: I'm standing in the street about ten metres from the base of the tower. I used the rear 120 setting on the Zoom, mics pointing towards the church and away from the street. I rather like the starlings, but not so keen on the traffic. Martin Thanks Martin for the file and the recording method used. Some last questions: 1. Were you holding the Zoom H2, or did you use the screw on base (or a camera tripod)? 2. What mic gain level (L/M/H) ? Best, Stephen. Michael Gillespie wrote: Oh!, such a clear (and pleasent) sound! If you don't mind... what is your method of recording? Are you inside the tower?, its so clear! -Michael, ps - i love the drone bell at the end! On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, Well, here it is. Next time I must get the whole thing, at noon, and with less traffic - 9am is a busy time in a little French town! Best wishes, Martin Michael Gillespie wrote: I'm wary of revealing the location in case the local mairie wants royalties... - haha, I'm waiting for my intro to music industry class to start as I read that! I would love to hear the recording, I've done some searching for (good quality) recordings but have found very little. I am in Richmond Virginia, USA... there are a few around here but they are so far apart. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Michael, I can send an MP3 to anyone who's interested. I only discovered after doing the recording (at 9am) that the carillon at 12 noon plays the same tune, then follows it with 4 or 5 other tunes, so I must record the whole thing when I go back there again - which will be (probably) July 2009. I'm wary of revealing the location in case the local mairie wants royalties... Best to all, Martin Michael Gillespie wrote: Is this recording of the carillon going to be available?! On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin, such quality is something special to French churches, didn't you notice ? ;- Jean-Marie ( no kidding I agree 100% with what you wrote about recording and I also own a H2 Zoom : wonderful little machine !) Just an aside - the small size and built-in mics of the Zoom make it ideal for field recording. I recently used it to record the carillon at a church in France, and it came out really well, complete with birdsong! Best wishes, Martin [2][6]www.luteshop.co.uk [7]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [4][10]http://poirierjm.free.fr [11]http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 20-09-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at [5][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. [16]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. [19]http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 5. [20]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html [21]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 6. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 7. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 8. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 9. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 11. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 15. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 16. http://www.luteshop.co.uk/ 17. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 18. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 19. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ 20. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 21. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lineage of early Guitars
Incidentaly Fuenllana's 5-course vihuela has the same interval pattern as the baroque guitar and the classical guitar without a 6th string. ..assuming that bourdons were not employed. This possibility could significantly change punteado melodies. Personally, I'm not unquestionably convinced by the employment of unison tuning on the fifth and sixth courses as it pertains to the vihuela. Supposedly more controversial is the possibility of unison tuning on the fourth course. Sorry to further stir the puddin'. Fred To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
Dear Fabio, Thank you for the clarification. Do you recall in which Italian journal the list appeared? Yes, it was a special issue of Orfeo. Il mensile di musica antica e barocca, published in August 1998, and entirely dedicated to the O'Dette's cd, included with the magazine. Orfeo is not still in print, so I've made a copy of it in Pdf format: http://www.esnips.com/doc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/orfeo_8-2008 The title Da un codice del Cinquecento . . . is not correct. Well, the title Da un codice / Lauten-Buch / del Cinquecento is really meaningless, in Italian. I'm quite sure that Chilesotti simply titled the book Da un Codice del Cinquecento (From a Sixteenth Century Codex), and that the German title Lauten-Buch was not original, but simply added by the publishers (Breikopf Härtel) to please their German customers. Unfortunately, the choice to put it *whitin* the Italian title was very poor, from a typographic point of view... Regards, Fabio To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
why a shin - didn't he just spread fingers i and m apart and a shin would have to have three twigs? Puzzled and probably misinformed, Joe Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Uhm, Leonard Nemoy was the first Jewish Spock (live long and prosper sign was a shin). I have been using this tuner for several months and also love it. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh joy oh joy! it looks like the thing i wanted!!! and even in early Star Trek style!!! now i can truly become the first jewish Captain Spock :-D thanks guys! going to order once i'll find my wallet...i think i put it inside my lute case again... On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:11 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sonic Research Turbo Tuner: ST 122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner. www.turbo-tuner.com Fully programmable, very accurate, excellent mic, input for clip mic, robust design, joy to use. Serious omission: no play back. David - had a weekend of continuously tuning an all-gut 10-course in between recording sessions -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Joachim Lüdtke, Lektorat Korrektorat Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Blumenstraße 20 D - 90762 Fürth Tel. +49-+911 / 976 45 20
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
Joe wrote: why a shin - didn't he just spread fingers i and m apart and a shin would have to have three twigs? Puzzled and probably misinformed, The thumb out was the third twig. In an interview Nimoy said he got the idea from seeing a Rabbi make this same hand gesture when he was in the synagogue. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
Thumb, im together, a and pinky together. Highly impractical for thumb out or thumb under. Sorry, this is about as off topic as I go on this list! On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Dr. Joachim Lüdtke wrote: why a shin - didn't he just spread fingers i and m apart and a shin would have to have three twigs? Puzzled and probably misinformed, Joe Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Uhm, Leonard Nemoy was the first Jewish Spock (live long and prosper sign was a shin). I have been using this tuner for several months and also love it. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh joy oh joy! it looks like the thing i wanted!!! and even in early Star Trek style!!! now i can truly become the first jewish Captain Spock :-D thanks guys! going to order once i'll find my wallet...i think i put it inside my lute case again... On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:11 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sonic Research Turbo Tuner: ST 122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner. www.turbo-tuner.com Fully programmable, very accurate, excellent mic, input for clip mic, robust design, joy to use. Serious omission: no play back. David - had a weekend of continuously tuning an all-gut 10-course in between recording sessions -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Joachim Lüdtke, Lektorat Korrektorat Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Blumenstraße 20 D - 90762 Fürth Tel. +49-+911 / 976 45 20
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
At 11:12 AM 9/23/2008, Arkadia Trio wrote: Dear Fabio, Thank you for the clarification. Do you recall in which Italian journal the list appeared? Yes, it was a special issue of Orfeo. Il mensile di musica antica e barocca, published in August 1998, and entirely dedicated to the O'Dette's cd, included with the magazine. Orfeo is not still in print, so I've made a copy of it in Pdf format: http://www.esnips.com/doc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/orfeo_8-2008 I'd love to see, but this link does not appear to be correct. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
http://www.esnips.com/doc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/orfeo_8-2008 I'd love to see, but this link does not appear to be correct. Maybe this? http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/?action=forceDL To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
On Sep 24, 2008, at 1:10 AM, Arkadia Trio wrote: Maybe this? http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/? action=forceDL Maybe. Maybe I just don't understand esnipes. It always brings me to my own page there. How do I find the file? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
At 12:10 PM 9/23/2008, Arkadia Trio wrote: http://www.esnips.com/doc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/orfeo_8-2008 I'd love to see, but this link does not appear to be correct. Maybe this? http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/?action=forceDL Possibly, but this one requires members to sign in. Unfortunately (in this instance), I am not an esnips member. Thanks for the effort to make this available, however. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
On Sep 24, 2008, at 1:27 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Maybe this? http://www.esnips.com/nsdoc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/? action=forceDL Possibly, but this one requires members to sign in. Unfortunately (in this instance), I am not an esnips member. Thanks for the effort to make this available, however. But I am a member. However, I still don't understand. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] (Spock and the Birkat Kohanim) tune the tuna
Leonard Nimoy did indeed take the live long and prosper hand position from the Birkat Kohanim (Blessing of the Priests) traditionally said over the congregation by the priests (which is to say, men descended from priests, the Jewish priesthood having been otherwise unemployed since the Second Temple was destroyed two milennia ago) and --less traditionally, I believe -- said (without the hand position) by parents in the home on Friday nights as part of the blessing of the children. The curious can look at the hand position on the web, e.g.: http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsbirkat.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priestly_Blessing Like a lot of Jewish ritual, there are differing accounts of what it means. Some say the hand position represents the letter shin, for Shaddai, one of the names of God. There are other explanations: http://judaism.about.com/od/shabbatprayersblessings/f/bless_kohanim.htm I have never been able to get my fingers into that position, but I'm not a kohen, so it doesn't matter. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
Maybe. Maybe I just don't understand esnipes. It always brings me to my own page there. How do I find the file? Okat, let's try this: http://fabiorizza.altervista.org/orfeo_8-1998.pdf (16.4 Mb) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna to the Echo song
Thank you Daniel and thank you Howard - I know this gesture of blessing hands quite well but it's long ago that I saw one of these films and I did not remember Nimoy making the gesture of blessing (and I have never been a Trekkie) ... Back to music: Dear all, I am trying my hands at Albert de Rippes intavolation of Gentians Dieu qui conduitz a.k.a. L'Eccho. I suspect it's a bit more than I can handle but I have not given up yet. There are two descant cadences where the resolving note does not appear where one would think it would (open first course). I think the note is meant to be played on the octave string of the fourth course, second fret. It is not very convenient to do this and the sound remains rather weak (at least when I am playing) but as Rippe chose different positions for the repeats in the echo sections, which bring octave strings into play and thus a very interesting change of timbre I am at the moment of the opinion that there are no tablature letters missing. There is an edition of the music from 1562 where in the first cadence the resolving not has been set in on the first course (but not in the second cadence, where it is even more difficult for me to bring out this note on the fourth course's octave) plus there are some more changes to the music, but my impression is that they are the work of someone who either did not know how to use octaves or who was not used to octave stringing at all (or: anymore?) - at least not on the fourth course. Has anyone of you played this piece and worked his way around these things? All best, Joe (not puzzled anymore) Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Thumb, im together, a and pinky together. Highly impractical for thumb out or thumb under. Sorry, this is about as off topic as I go on this list! On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Dr. Joachim Lüdtke wrote: why a shin - didn't he just spread fingers i and m apart and a shin would have to have three twigs? Puzzled and probably misinformed, Joe Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Uhm, Leonard Nemoy was the first Jewish Spock (live long and prosper sign was a shin). I have been using this tuner for several months and also love it. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:41 AM, Omer katzir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh joy oh joy! it looks like the thing i wanted!!! and even in early Star Trek style!!! now i can truly become the first jewish Captain Spock :-D thanks guys! going to order once i'll find my wallet...i think i put it inside my lute case again... On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:11 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sonic Research Turbo Tuner: ST 122 Chromatic Strobe Tuner. www.turbo-tuner.com Fully programmable, very accurate, excellent mic, input for clip mic, robust design, joy to use. Serious omission: no play back. David - had a weekend of continuously tuning an all-gut 10-course in between recording sessions -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Joachim Lüdtke, Lektorat Korrektorat Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Blumenstraße 20 D - 90762 Fürth Tel. +49-+911 / 976 45 20 -- Joachim Lüdtke, Lektorat Korrektorat Dr. Joachim Lüdtke Blumenstraße 20 D - 90762 Fürth Tel. +49-+911 / 976 45 20
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
Dear Fabio, Thank you very much for the additional information. Alas I was unable to get the *.pdf files you posted, but the one you just posted worked fine. I am revising and updating an article on the manuscript that I wrote several years ago. The German lute scholar Wilhelm Tappert (d. about 1906) made extensive notes from the original mauscript when he saw it at antiquarian book dealers in Munich and Berlin, and his papers shed important light on the manuscript with details that Chilesotti omitted. He for example OC changed some of the titles and left out written materials which Tappert copied out. The manuscript was compiled by a Nuremberg merchant, that's why I thought Chilesotti deliberately refered to the word Lauten-Buch using that archaic spelling. Alas Tappert gives no information about the titlepage or the binding which might carry that word. Thanks again for the information. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Chopin's 3 Mazurkas, Op. 59, performed by Abdel Rahman El Bacha, pianist. To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ === - Original Message - From: Arkadia Trio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List Lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; ml [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Arthur Ness [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Respighi | Dear Fabio, | | Thank you for the clarification. Do you recall in which Italian journal | the list appeared? | | | | Yes, it was a special issue of Orfeo. Il mensile di musica antica e | barocca, published in August 1998, and entirely dedicated to the O'Dette's | cd, included with the magazine. Orfeo is not still in print, so I've made | a copy of it in Pdf format: | http://www.esnips.com/doc/4268cda5-2bc2-4846-b6c9-c77d8102b232/orfeo_8-2008 | | | | The title Da un codice del Cinquecento . . . is not correct. | | | | Well, the title Da un codice / Lauten-Buch / del Cinquecento is really | meaningless, in Italian. I'm quite sure that Chilesotti simply titled the | book Da un Codice del Cinquecento (From a Sixteenth Century Codex), and | that the German title Lauten-Buch was not original, but simply added by | the publishers (Breikopf Härtel) to please their German customers. | Unfortunately, the choice to put it *whitin* the Italian title was very | poor, from a typographic point of view... | | Regards, | Fabio | | | | | | | | To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
At 02:38 PM 9/23/2008, Arkadia Trio wrote: Maybe. Maybe I just don't understand esnipes. It always brings me to my own page there. How do I find the file? Okat, let's try this: http://fabiorizza.altervista.org/orfeo_8-1998.pdf (16.4 Mb) Yes, this one works. Thanks again. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
