[LUTE] Nice lute week-end in Antwerpen
Howdy luties, here are some photos of the International Lute Meeting in Antwerp, which was a pleasure for the lute friends. Thanks for the invitation and for organization to the lute societies. I enjoyed it very much. http://web.mac.com/kleppten/iWeb/LuteFestivalAntwerp/Photos.html we To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Res: Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/?
Thanks Rafael, you are right. It is back! It is a very useful database. Anthony Le 24 févr. 09 à 02:44, rafael borges a écrit : It works for me... Great site! Thanks! Rafael Borges De: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr Para: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 23 de Fevereiro de 2009 9:23:30 Assunto: [LUTE] Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/? There was a problem due to the link I think. I was trying to say that the site in the title is not working. It had an excellent database of plucked instrument iconography. Does any one know if it is a temporary fault. I think this has happened in the last week, or so. Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: Top 10 - Celebridades - Música - Esportes --
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. But perhaps the amount of mercuric compound is so relatively small (unlike with the hatters who rubbed raw mercury into hats with their fingers) that there's no noticeable effect. Surely a toxologist should be able to inform us MH --- On Mon, 23/2/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 2:23 PM David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com schrieb: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: rarely touch it). With later providing you play a lot, the skin contact is enormous. You might consider playing with nails, then. On both hands? David No, RH, of course. It will reduce poisoning by 50%! But seriously I wonder if densifying a gut string with mercury, which is easily composed with organic materials, means that afterwards the string still is poisonous. And, no, I'm not willing to try it. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
As compared to modern day's levels of mercury contamination in the air (in particular in such big places like London where hundreds of thousands, if not more, of strip lights and 'new generation' light bulbs are getting replaced and simply chucked off in skips daily!) the effect from the mercury / lead loaded strings would simply count next to nothing. By the way, I'm not a toxicologist :) So no responsibilities accepted ... AB Martyn Hodgson wrote: Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. But perhaps the amount of mercuric compound is so relatively small (unlike with the hatters who rubbed raw mercury into hats with their fingers) that there's no noticeable effect. Surely a toxologist should be able to inform us MH To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [lute]:restringing a double course with a single string
1.In general terms, a single string will be stiffer than any one string out of a pair- but not doubling the tension- just keeping a sense of balance- in terms of feel, tone color, and volume. I have only one instrument where I can use either single or double 1st course, my vihuela. It's a bit hefty instrument (Chambure copy, Harris Barber) so my tensions may be a little higher than ideal for equivalent lute. Anyway, my doubled 1st is .42 mm gut, on 64.5 cm string length, tuned to nominal g, with A=400, approx. tension about 3.5 kg. For a single-string 1st I have used from .44 mm to .46 mm, which can get up to about 4 kg. with my set up. Possibly a little too high tension for average tenor or alto Renaissance lute. 2. to convert an octave course to unison, I merely replace the octave string with a second fundamental to match the one already there, no tension/tone color issues with my instruments strings. Either a unison works or it does not- esp. the 6th course. Or if it's appropriate to the type of music/instrument/time period for 4th 5th courses; since thick bass string inharmonicity is never an issue for these two courses on any of my instruments; anyway I have only one 6 course tenor lute dedicated to late 15th - early 16th century repertoire. 3.For converting bass courses to single strings, I don't know quite what you want- converting a double-strung theorbo to singles? -that one is out of my league. After the toy theorbo wars I'm sure some veteran can advise. Dan Dear All, what advice about string tension would you give,in general terms, to someone who wanted to replace a double course with a single string? A: for a course in unison - B: for a course in bass/octave tuning? thank you Charles -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009, Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com said: As compared to modern day's levels of mercury contamination in the air NB, Mercury is a cumulative poison, it builds up in the body and is not eliminated. About 1 oz absorbed kills - about what used to fill a lab-grade thermometer. I too wonder about these 'wondeful' new 'green' bulbs. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but according to my medical dictionary mercury poisoning was common in some trades in the past - in particular in the preparation of felt used in hats. That is where the expression mad as a hatter comes from. This may be a silly question because I have been following this thread very closely but is there any evidence that strings were loaded with mercury or anything else apart from the fact that some works of art show the lower courses differently coloured? Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com; Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. But perhaps the amount of mercuric compound is so relatively small (unlike with the hatters who rubbed raw mercury into hats with their fingers) that there's no noticeable effect. Surely a toxologist should be able to inform us MH --- On Mon, 23/2/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 2:23 PM David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com schrieb: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: rarely touch it). With later providing you play a lot, the skin contact is enormous. You might consider playing with nails, then. On both hands? David No, RH, of course. It will reduce poisoning by 50%! But seriously I wonder if densifying a gut string with mercury, which is easily composed with organic materials, means that afterwards the string still is poisonous. And, no, I'm not willing to try it. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] 7 course English pieces
But...not songs or dowland's stuff... Only english. And that can be found in Wayne's or Serge's site. Anything you can come up with will be a big help to me, so I thank you all ahead. Omer Katzir Sent from my iPhone To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
In general lead intoxication occurs after swallowing or inhalation of even small amounts of this element, however there are reports of ocupational intoxication as well: The major source of lead is occupational exposure from jobs dealing with lead and lead-based components; there is a high prevalence of lead toxicity in the population exposed to such activities. Occupational exposure of workers is seen in the manufacturing of lead batteries and cables, as well as rubber and plastic products. Soldering and foundry work, such as casting, forging, and grinding activities, are also associated with occupational exposures. Construction workers involved in painting or paint stripping, plumbing, welding, and cutting are also exposed to lead. So not only inhaling or swallowing is toxic but touching, rubbing, grinding activities as well. Even if we don't believe in skin penetration by small particules we still have a chance to rub our nose or touch unconciously our lips after some session of playing. If you have any doubts just read this: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/410113-overview Best Jaroslaw - Original Message - From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre As compared to modern day's levels of mercury contamination in the air (in particular in such big places like London where hundreds of thousands, if not more, of strip lights and 'new generation' light bulbs are getting replaced and simply chucked off in skips daily!) the effect from the mercury / lead loaded strings would simply count next to nothing. By the way, I'm not a toxicologist :) So no responsibilities accepted ... AB Martyn Hodgson wrote: Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. But perhaps the amount of mercuric compound is so relatively small (unlike with the hatters who rubbed raw mercury into hats with their fingers) that there's no noticeable effect. Surely a toxologist should be able to inform us MH To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
People nowadays are much more conscious of the environmental toxins. Plus... Imagine Aquila sells lead and-or mercury loaded strings. The lawyers will swarm around lute players like sharks with offers of service. The evidence of loaded strings is based squarely on Mimmo Peruffo's research. His conclusions were made on the basis of paintings (showing smooth surface = non wound strings with a variant of red color ) and instrument string-hole measurements. One point being argued, however, was whether some of lute strings, and possibly loaded basses, were made of silk rather then gut. That discussion was held in FoRMHI, and basically died with the demise of the Fellowship itself. From the point of leeching the metals out, silk binds more closely with lead and mercury salts (as well as tin salts, customarily used to apply all the fancy colors to silk garbs), and might be much safer as loaded strings, as well. alexander On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:41:33 + Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but according to my medical dictionary mercury poisoning was common in some trades in the past - in particular in the preparation of felt used in hats. That is where the expression mad as a hatter comes from. This may be a silly question because I have been following this thread very closely but is there any evidence that strings were loaded with mercury or anything else apart from the fact that some works of art show the lower courses differently coloured? Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com; Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. But perhaps the amount of mercuric compound is so relatively small (unlike with the hatters who rubbed raw mercury into hats with their fingers) that there's no noticeable effect. Surely a toxologist should be able to inform us MH --- On Mon, 23/2/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 2:23 PM David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com schrieb: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: rarely touch it). With later providing you play a lot, the skin contact is enormous. You might consider playing with nails, then. On both hands? David No, RH, of course. It will reduce poisoning by 50%! But seriously I wonder if densifying a gut string with mercury, which is easily composed with organic materials, means that afterwards the string still is poisonous. And, no, I'm not willing to try it. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009, alexander voka...@verizon.net said: People nowadays are much more conscious of the environmental toxins. with considerable reason. Plumber comes from the use of lead pipes to convey water in Roman times, but it didnt stop with the romans; lead supply mains are not common, but some are still in regular use; and it was commonplace 50 years ago for the economy of their use to be sufficient excuse for misguided fools to deny solid evidence that lead poisening was a serious health issue. Mercury gets into the ocean food chain, Swordfish are peculiarly prone to it, and swordfish 'steak' is one of my favorite foods :-(. The element Mercury has a number of risks, including a very low vapor point. Mercury compounds are of course each different, it will take toxicologist to know how dangerous each loading agent is; including how prone they are to break down or combine. I can fully understand if a researcher (eg Mimo) has strong reservations about working with Mercury to compound such agents. From the point of leeching the metals out, silk binds more closely Good to know that, I recall dyes for silk being more difficult to bind than dyes for cotton. I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but according to my medical dictionary mercury poisoning was common in some trades in the past - in particular in the preparation of felt used in hats. is there any evidence that strings were loaded with mercury or anything else apart from the fact that some works of art show the lower courses differently coloured? Mimo hought it worth trying out, and experiments today support the plausibility of it. Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. We barely know who the players all were, and we arent doing a good job of tracking todays cases of toxic poisoning; why should we expect to be able to do so with historical cases? But we do have some instances, Mozart and Beethoven for example. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009, Jaroslaw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl said: In general lead intoxication occurs after swallowing or inhalation of even small amounts of this element Lead is still commonly used in some municipal water supply systems, pipes and couplings as well as solder; it remains controversial, but the evidence I have read suggests it is a practice we dont need to continue. there are reports of ocupational intoxication as well: Organ pipes made of lead and lead alloy are an issue. My company made its workers wear gloves and wash hands frequently; we also painted those pipes, not just to make them atractive. the effect from the mercury / lead loaded strings would simply count next to nothing. I have built models and wargamed with lead-alloy castings; even tho painted, ones fingers do get grey... Its an avoidable risk. We have enough environment exposure that is not avoidable (eg, nearby neighbor is repainting...) -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
Well, FoRMHI is reborn now so hopefully the discussion will carry on. What I wonder is how the idea of coloured strings (meaning loaded, in the context of this discussion) resides with the fact that occasionally they do show up among the mid-range strings too (not to say on the the first and second courses, as in L'homme au Luth / /by Rubens!) where, strictly speaking, there is no such 'necessity'? Did you actually try to load your silk strings? AB alexander wrote: People nowadays are much more conscious of the environmental toxins. Plus... Imagine Aquila sells lead and-or mercury loaded strings. The lawyers will swarm around lute players like sharks with offers of service. The evidence of loaded strings is based squarely on Mimmo Peruffo's research. His conclusions were made on the basis of paintings (showing smooth surface = non wound strings with a variant of red color ) and instrument string-hole measurements. One point being argued, however, was whether some of lute strings, and possibly loaded basses, were made of silk rather then gut. That discussion was held in FoRMHI, and basically died with the demise of the Fellowship itself. From the point of leeching the metals out, silk binds more closely with lead and mercury salts (as well as tin salts, customarily used to apply all the fancy colors to silk garbs), and might be much safer as loaded strings, as well. alexander To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
I just wondered - do we know how readily available loaded strings were or how widely they were used? There was an article in the Galpin Society Journal 2006 about Roman and Neapolitan gut strings by Patrizio Barbieri and apparently he suggests that there is no historical evidence for loaded strings and that colouring them may have been a way of hiding blemishes. I haven't actually read the whole article yet - only a summary. I wondered whether anyone else had? Monica - Original Message - From: alexander voka...@verizon.net To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre People nowadays are much more conscious of the environmental toxins. Plus... Imagine Aquila sells lead and-or mercury loaded strings. The lawyers will swarm around lute players like sharks with offers of service. The evidence of loaded strings is based squarely on Mimmo Peruffo's research. His conclusions were made on the basis of paintings (showing smooth surface = non wound strings with a variant of red color ) and instrument string-hole measurements. One point being argued, however, was whether some of lute strings, and possibly loaded basses, were made of silk rather then gut. That discussion was held in FoRMHI, and basically died with the demise of the Fellowship itself. From the point of leeching the metals out, silk binds more closely with lead and mercury salts (as well as tin salts, customarily used to apply all the fancy colors to silk garbs), and might be much safer as loaded strings, as well. alexander On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:41:33 + Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but according to my medical dictionary mercury poisoning was common in some trades in the past - in particular in the preparation of felt used in hats. That is where the expression mad as a hatter comes from. This may be a silly question because I have been following this thread very closely but is there any evidence that strings were loaded with mercury or anything else apart from the fact that some works of art show the lower courses differently coloured? Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com; Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre Regarding the use of mercury (or lead) to load a gut string: if it were a problem wouldn't we have seen at least some contemporary reports of professional lutenists with poisining symptoms - I'm not aware of any. But perhaps the amount of mercuric compound is so relatively small (unlike with the hatters who rubbed raw mercury into hats with their fingers) that there's no noticeable effect. Surely a toxologist should be able to inform us MH --- On Mon, 23/2/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 23 February, 2009, 2:23 PM David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com schrieb: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: rarely touch it). With later providing you play a lot, the skin contact is enormous. You might consider playing with nails, then. On both hands? David No, RH, of course. It will reduce poisoning by 50%! But seriously I wonder if densifying a gut string with mercury, which is easily composed with organic materials, means that afterwards the string still is poisonous. And, no, I'm not willing to try it. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: 7 course English pieces
On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Omer Katzir wrote: But...not songs or dowland's stuff... Only english. And that can be found in Wayne's or Serge's site. Anything you can come up with will be a big help to me, so I thank you all ahead. Are you sugggesting that we all go scouring through Wayne's and Sarge's websites and find 7-course pieces for you, while you do nothing? Do your own research for once! We all did. You can too. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 7 course English pieces
I'm looking in some few books, but thank you for being an a*** Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2009, at 22:20, David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Omer Katzir wrote: But...not songs or dowland's stuff... Only english. And that can be found in Wayne's or Serge's site. Anything you can come up with will be a big help to me, so I thank you all ahead. Are you sugggesting that we all go scouring through Wayne's and Sarge's websites and find 7-course pieces for you, while you do nothing? Do your own research for once! We all did. You can too. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
I was curious about that article too but I haven't read it either. He also mentions silk stings, isn't he? Hiding blemishes ... well, this sounds just like one more speculation to me. Black would certainly hide blemishes best than red, so what? AB Monica Hall wrote: I just wondered - do we know how readily available loaded strings were or how widely they were used? There was an article in the Galpin Society Journal 2006 about Roman and Neapolitan gut strings by Patrizio Barbieri and apparently he suggests that there is no historical evidence for loaded strings and that colouring them may have been a way of hiding blemishes. I haven't actually read the whole article yet - only a summary. I wondered whether anyone else had? Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 7 course English pieces
On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Omer Katzir wrote: I'm looking in some few books, but thank you for being an a*** Let me tell you something, Omer. Those lists of pieces you refer to on Wayne's and Sarge's websites, were painstakingly put together by people who acquired the knowledge to be able to find the sources of this music. You will never know enough to do that for yourself, so don't try to impress me with your BS research projects. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Res: Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/?
Me three--on first try. Leonard On 2/23/09 11:13 PM, Christopher Stetson cstet...@email.smith.edu wrote: Me too, now, though not earlier this evening. Chris. rafael borges rafaelgarciabor...@yahoo.com.br 2/23/2009 8:44 PM It works for me... Great site! Thanks! Rafael Borges __ De: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr Para: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 23 de Fevereiro de 2009 9:23:30 Assunto: [LUTE] Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/? There was a problem due to the link I think. I was trying to say that the site in the title is not working. It had an excellent database of plucked instrument iconography. Does any one know if it is a temporary fault. I think this has happened in the last week, or so. Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Veja quais sao os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: [2]Top 10 - [3]Celebridades - [4]Musica - [5]Esportes -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com/ 3. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com/ce lebridades/ 4. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com/m% C3%BAsica/ 5. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com/es portes/
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
Absolutely. Even now use two copper powder loaded silk strings on treble gamba and one on eight course lute. All of them are made with mixture of agar-agar and sea salt. (I usually make a small number of strings, therefore using gelatin or hide glue at needed temperatures i would have to dispose of the mix every time. Agar stands repeated close to boil without loosing its' qualities.) I did try some historical techniques involving lye and salts, and such, and long periods of time, but they would be befitting to a full scale production more then anything else. As far as midrange strings with color, i did have a few experimental strings very much liked by gamba and lute players, which were painted with oil paint (linseed). They had amazingly good sound, but for the world of it, i did not know what to think of them. They certainly sound better then just linseed (+ other drying oils) cured ones, plus have a very smooth surface. I did arrive to such a need somehow, but can not claim that it could be an accepted practice in the past. alexander On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:07:32 + Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com wrote: Well, FoRMHI is reborn now so hopefully the discussion will carry on. What I wonder is how the idea of coloured strings (meaning loaded, in the context of this discussion) resides with the fact that occasionally they do show up among the mid-range strings too (not to say on the the first and second courses, as in L'homme au Luth / /by Rubens!) where, strictly speaking, there is no such 'necessity'? Did you actually try to load your silk strings? AB To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Res: Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/?
Me too, got there in the first attempt. Lovely website Neil -Original Message- From: Leonard Williams [mailto:arc...@verizon.net] Sent: 24 February 2009 21:18 To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: Res: Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/? Me three--on first try. Leonard On 2/23/09 11:13 PM, Christopher Stetson cstet...@email.smith.edu wrote: Me too, now, though not earlier this evening. Chris. rafael borges rafaelgarciabor...@yahoo.com.br 2/23/2009 8:44 PM It works for me... Great site! Thanks! Rafael Borges __ De: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr Para: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 23 de Fevereiro de 2009 9:23:30 Assunto: [LUTE] Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/? There was a problem due to the link I think. I was trying to say that the site in the title is not working. It had an excellent database of plucked instrument iconography. Does any one know if it is a temporary fault. I think this has happened in the last week, or so. Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Veja quais sao os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! + Buscados: [2]Top 10 - [3]Celebridades - [4]Musica - [5]Esportes -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/ 3. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/ce lebridades/ 4. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/m% C3%BAsica/ 5. http://br.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/mail/*http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo. com/es portes/
[LUTE] Re: 7 course English pieces
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009, Omer Katzir kome...@gmail.com said: I'm looking in some few books, but thank you for being an a*** Omer, it is obvious that english is not your first language. DR's reply was remarkably polite, if a bit abrupt. Your counter was not only downright rude, but also inapropriate. To my knowledge three is no index of Lute sources which lists 7c pieces, much of the material published after 1500 is for either 6 or 7c instruments. Note that anything for a 6c instrument is playable on a 7c. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ruthenicae
This one is sourced in male choirs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niqtejDFhCM or solitary women http://www.torban.org/audio/sarovska/sarovska9.mp3 RT http://www.torban.org/pisni/kacha.html - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ruthenicae Sauvage Valéry wrote: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU83Wf1_8PM Cantio Ruthenica LXXI by Joannes Leopolita (alias of Roman Turovsky, the ukainian painter and composer living in New York). Unusual melange of romantic guitar and viella both played by Maurizio Manzon. Look at this one... just beautiful... Val Indeed! Roman's sources for this music (or some of them, anyway) seems to be women's choirs in a sort of caller-response format: solo female voice for a phrase and chordal response from collected voices. The music is slow, rubato, pained! with titles beginning Achh! ... So a realisation on a plucked instrument is quite a challenge. A bowed instrument can at least seethe a bit. I wonder why, along with the bowed thing, Maurizio used a 19th century guitar since he has played this music on lutes. (And how did he get that video effect? I'd like to have a go at that!) Stuart -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU83Wf1_8PM To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.25/1958 - Release Date: 02/18/09 08:57:00
[LUTE] Re: 7 course English pieces
Sounds like somebody may be a touch spoiled or impatient here- some of us old timers remember the days when we had to go to public libraries and get our music by HAND COPYING IT on staff pages- 5 line staves to which we hand ruled a 6th line if we didn't want it to be 5 line Attaignant style- from MICROFILM projections. That's how I got my Thomas Robinson, Dowland's LoST, Le Roy's English printing, Barley's book, Maynard's XII Wonders of the World and a few other things. I still have one of these books, that I sweated over for weeks- kind of like personal ms tabs from the real old days, before any of us were born. For other music, I had to learn to read lute music transcribed into double-staff notation for a G tenor lute, not easy for a guitarist used to E on a treble staff. (VALUABLE training!) I had to go out and BUY this music as hard copy entities from brick mortar music stores- or mail (not email) order my music. Some of us old farts occasionally still do this, in fact. I got my 7 course stuff right along with the 6, 8, 9, or 10 course music and was perfectly grateful to have it all, and sort it out. Even when my only lute was a medium quality nylon string guitar. Omer- I advise a little more patience, initiative; and better manners, please. Dan I'm looking in some few books, but thank you for being an a*** Omer, it is obvious that english is not your first language. DR's reply was remarkably polite, if a bit abrupt. Your counter was not only downright rude, but also inapropriate. To my knowledge three is no index of Lute sources which lists 7c pieces, much of the material published after 1500 is for either 6 or 7c instruments. Note that anything for a 6c instrument is playable on a 7c. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
