[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-10 Thread howard posner 
I was being unclear.  I also recall Mace chomping his lute, but I was asking 
about Beethoven specifically.  I haven’t seen a source for these 20th/21st 
century descriptions of his using bone conduction.  

The very contrary account of Beethoven banging on an out-of-tune piano and 
howling as he composed the Missa Solemnis is from Schindler, who knew Beethoven 
but was every bit as much as much of a fiction writer as Dan Brown.

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 7:01 PM, jeff  wrote:
> 
> Check out Mace. As I recall, in his later years, he “heard” his lute by 
> touching his teeth to the edge of the soundboard or edge of the bowl where it 
> meets the soundboard. Late in the book, I think, and part of his 
> complaints/observations about aging.
> 
> Been a long time since I’ve looked at it, so I could be making this up. But I 
> think not…
> 
> See ya,
> 
> jeff 
> 
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> 
> From: howard posner
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 6:29 PM
> To: Lutelist
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bad lute music
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:50 AM, G. C.  wrote:
>> 
>>  According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was the
>>  inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,
>>  discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite down on
>>  it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations in
>>  his jaw bone.
> 
> Take this with a grain of salt, especially when you see things like this one 
> on the Time Magazine website:
> 
> Interest in Beethoven’s hearing loss has long captivated his fans, 
> many of whom are fascinated by the tragic circumstances of a deaf 
> composer and the ways Beethoven managed to keep working even 
> after he completely lost his hearing by the time he was 45. As TIME 
> once described it, “by clenching a stick in his teeth, holding it against 
> the keyboard of his piano, he could discern faint sounds.”
> 
> I’ve never seen any reference to any evidence for anything like this.  Has 
> anyone else?
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-10 Thread jeff 
Check out Mace. As I recall, in his later years, he “heard” his lute by 
touching his teeth to the edge of the soundboard or edge of the bowl where it 
meets the soundboard. Late in the book, I think, and part of his 
complaints/observations about aging.

Been a long time since I’ve looked at it, so I could be making this up. But I 
think not…

See ya,

jeff 

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From: howard posner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 6:29 PM
To: Lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bad lute music


> On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:50 AM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was the
>   inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,
>   discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite down on
>   it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations in
>   his jaw bone.

Take this with a grain of salt, especially when you see things like this one on 
the Time Magazine website:

Interest in Beethoven’s hearing loss has long captivated his fans, 
many of whom are fascinated by the tragic circumstances of a deaf 
composer and the ways Beethoven managed to keep working even 
after he completely lost his hearing by the time he was 45. As TIME 
once described it, “by clenching a stick in his teeth, holding it against 
the keyboard of his piano, he could discern faint sounds.”

I’ve never seen any reference to any evidence for anything like this.  Has 
anyone else?



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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-10 Thread howard posner 

> On Nov 8, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Alain Veylit  wrote:
> 
> PS: bad French joke: Beethoven was so deaf that all his life he thought he 
> was a painter...

Is this a pun in French?



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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-10 Thread howard posner 

> On Nov 10, 2017, at 10:50 AM, G. C.  wrote:
> 
>   According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was the
>   inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,
>   discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite down on
>   it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations in
>   his jaw bone.

Take this with a grain of salt, especially when you see things like this one on 
the Time Magazine website:

Interest in Beethoven’s hearing loss has long captivated his fans, 
many of whom are fascinated by the tragic circumstances of a deaf 
composer and the ways Beethoven managed to keep working even 
after he completely lost his hearing by the time he was 45. As TIME 
once described it, “by clenching a stick in his teeth, holding it against 
the keyboard of his piano, he could discern faint sounds.”

I’ve never seen any reference to any evidence for anything like this.  Has 
anyone else?



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[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-10 Thread Christopher Stetson 
   From a historical perspective even "bad" music is worth preserving and
   making available, so thanks, Alain, for undertaking this project.
   I'll read through it as soon as my slipped 2nd course strings are back
   up to pitch.   I wouldn't have taken the trouble without your
   intabulations.
   Best to all, and keep playing.
   Chris.

   On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 1:50 PM, G. C. <[1]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven
 was the
inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,
discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite
 down on
it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through
 vibrations in
his jaw bone.
And "BAD" music? Well, it's all relative, but I have to say, that
 I
pity the hordes of poor sophomore students who have to dredge
 through
those endless uninspiring etudes of low musical value, when
 learning
the piano or the classical guitar, by third rate composers who
 should
have kept to their painting.
G.
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Alain Veylit
<[1][2]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote:
  Hi everyone,
  I have set up a transcription project for the Filippo Dalla
 Casa
  Bologna manuscript -- see [2][3]http://fandango.musickshandmad
  [4]e.com/dalla-casa.
  I am a little concerned however that many people seem to think
 that
  music is really, really bad... - so bad that it is not worth
  transcribing from grand staff to tablature, thus keeping it in
 the
  safe zone of the not seen, not heard until the end of times
 (and
  perhaps beyond, if at all possible)
  I personally find that music not worse than average -I know
  little about the 1760s music-wise... Am I the only one with
 such bad
  taste in music I cannot recognize "bad music"
  What makes bad lute music? Does it even exist? What - or who -
 comes
  to mind? Have you met with it? What do you think about the
 Dalla
  Casa music (some of which is not by him)? Do you think he
 should
  have stuck to his painter's brushes?
  Alain
  PS: bad French joke: Beethoven was so deaf that all his life he
  thought he was a painter...
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [3][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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 References
1. mailto:[6]al...@musickshandmade.com
2. [7]http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/dalla-casa
3. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com
   3. http://fandango.musickshandmad/
   4. http://e.com/dalla-casa
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   6. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com
   7. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/dalla-casa
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bad lute music

2017-11-10 Thread G. C. 
   According to Dan Brown in his newest book, "Origins", Beethoven was the
   inventor of "bone conduction technology", who upon going deaf,
   discovered that he could fix a metal rod to his piano, and bite down on
   it as he played, enabling him to hear perfectly, through vibrations in
   his jaw bone.
   And "BAD" music? Well, it's all relative, but I have to say, that I
   pity the hordes of poor sophomore students who have to dredge through
   those endless uninspiring etudes of low musical value, when learning
   the piano or the classical guitar, by third rate composers who should
   have kept to their painting.
   G.

   On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Alain Veylit
   <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I have set up a transcription project for the Filippo Dalla Casa
 Bologna manuscript -- see [2]http://fandango.musickshandmad
 e.com/dalla-casa.
 I am a little concerned however that many people seem to think that
 music is really, really bad... - so bad that it is not worth
 transcribing from grand staff to tablature, thus keeping it in the
 safe zone of the not seen, not heard until the end of times (and
 perhaps beyond, if at all possible)
 I personally find that music not worse than average -   I know
 little about the 1760s music-wise... Am I the only one with such bad
 taste in music I cannot recognize "bad music"
 What makes bad lute music? Does it even exist? What - or who - comes
 to mind? Have you met with it? What do you think about the Dalla
 Casa music (some of which is not by him)? Do you think he should
 have stuck to his painter's brushes?
 Alain
 PS: bad French joke: Beethoven was so deaf that all his life he
 thought he was a painter...
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:al...@musickshandmade.com
   2. http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/dalla-casa
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html