[LUTE] Re: octave strings
Hi, all. I remember being told some time ago, by someone who should have known, that one of the early German greats (Gerwig, Schaeffer, or Dombois, but I think Gerwig) used that stringing, but I both can't remember and don't know if it was from historical precedent (I doubt it) or simple personal preference (probably, as Jean-Marie posits above). It's not that long ago, I suspect someone will remember, or will be able and interested enough to figure it out from recordings. Best, and keep playing. Chris. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:22 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Seems to be like on the baroque guitar. Never done that on a lute. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Lex Eisenhardt Betreff: [LUTE] octave strings Datum: 31.07.2019, 20:41 Uhr An: 'Lute List' Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1][2][2]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ (press + to enlarge) -- References 1. [3][3]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [5]https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_and roid_sendmail_footer 2. [6]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts 3. [7]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts 4. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 3. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 6. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts 7. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: octave strings
Seems to be like on the baroque guitar. Never done that on a lute. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Lex Eisenhardt Betreff: [LUTE] octave strings Datum: 31.07.2019, 20:41 Uhr An: 'Lute List' Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1][2]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ (press + to enlarge) -- References 1. [3]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer 2. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts 3. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: octave strings
Probably to get the bass string of the course more present and to avoid this sometimes annoying prevalence of the treble octave, especially in thumb-index passages, but not only... Jean-Marie Le 31/07/2019 à 20:41, Lex Eisenhardt a écrit : Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/(press + to enlarge) -- References 1. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: octave strings
I've seen photos of this practice on modern lutes, and asked the list about it a year or two ago, but got no response. It must have some justification, as the practise is used even today. There must surely be someone here able to give a report, (or is it a "player's secret of some sort?) G. On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:46 PM Lex Eisenhardt <[1]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com> wrote: Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1][2]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ (press + to enlarge) -- References 1. [3]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lex.eisenha...@gmail.com 2. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 3. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: octave strings
I see what you're getting at--8ve and fundamental reversed--but the illustrator has continued the practice through to the 2nd course. I doubt it would have an octave on the 4th course at this point in time, either. I'm not sure how much faith I should put into this painting. Sean On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:42 AM Lex Eisenhardt <[1]lex.eisenha...@gmail.com> wrote: Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1][2]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ (press + to enlarge) -- References 1. [3]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lex.eisenha...@gmail.com 2. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 3. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] octave strings
Anyone tried this method of octave string placement? [1]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/(press + to enlarge) -- References 1. https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc.
Almost exactly the same reason that Lord Herbert of Cherbury gave! "my learning of Musicke was for this end that I might entertaine my selfe at home and together refresh my mynde after my studyes to which I was exceedingly inclined, and that I might not neede the company of younge men in whome I observed in those tymes much ill example and debauch." He of the Herbert of Cherbury lute book, shortly to be published in facsimile by the Lute Society. David At 19:17 -0400 30/7/19, Christopher Stetson wrote: "To avoid having to travel in bad company to find entertainment, he learned to play the lute so he could pass the time alone, when he couldn't find other friends." Pretty much sums it up. Best, and keep playing, Chris. On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 3:27 PM <[1]jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Not necessarily built in New France, but used in New France in 17th-18th C. I'm looking for reported lute activity in the New World colonial era. jeff From: Tristan von Neumann Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 12:34 PM To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: New World lute/theorbo, etc. Just to make sure I understood this: You mean lutes built in New France, not imported instruments? :) T* On 30.07.19 19:31, [3]jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net wrote: > A questionɬ¢¢¬¨"mostly likely for luters north of the borderɬ¢¢¬¨" > > Do we have any documentary evidence (letters, wills, inventories, etc.) of lutes or theorboes in New France (Canada and Western US) in 16th-17th -18thcenturies? Are there any surviving instruments from the period in Canadian museums or collections? > > A number of years ago, historian colleague showed me a reference to a theorbo in the French Caribbean in a (I think) late 17th-c text. Iɬ¢¢¬¨¢¬¢ve misplaced the reference and am trying to dig it up again. (If anyone out there knows this source, Iɬ¢¢¬¨¢¬¢d appreciate your jogging my memory.) > > There are, of course, references to the guitar in 16th-c Spanish and French colonies but I donɬ¢¢¬¨¢¬¢t recall ever seeing lutes listed in any of those documents. > > Regionally, a local historian shared with me a reference to a guitar in the early 19th-c will/inventory of a French settler in Ste. Genevieve MO. I donɬ¢¢¬¨¢¬¢t think there is any description of the instrument, so no telling if it was a French baroque guitar, a European transitional guitar or a New World instrument. > > Thanks in advance for any pertinent ideas or suggestions. > > See ya, > > jeff > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- -- References 1. mailto:jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:jjnoo...@sbcglobal.net 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
