[LUTE] Re: A trivia question
I unterstand the point, but he was (at last so I unterstand) also an active performer. And: the Bergamasca variations for keyboard by Frescobaldi come in the print publication with a remark that you will have learned a lot after you have played them through. Would that make them mere pedagocial stuff? As for the longest non-variation piece for lute: this is (mit an Sicherheit grenzender Wahrscheinlichkeit) either the Gavotta nimis endlesslia by Irenaeus Taubengraus or the third movement from Donnerstag aus Lärm by this contemporary composer... What was his Name... Expedit ex Memoria.. Best Reichert Versbold von Lüdtkenswalde Am 29.08.2020 18:10 schrieb Christopher Stetson : Wasn't Vincenzo known mostly as a theoretician? Should we see this more as a treatise on writing variations than intended for public performance? On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 11:56 AM Sarge Gerbode <[1]sa...@gerbode.net> wrote: I think this one wins the prize, but I am not sure variations on this kind should win, as they are a sort of grab bag one could select from for any particular performance. I think even a Renaissance audience would be put to sleep by an hour-long set of variations. So what's the longest non-variation piece? --Sarge On 8/29/2020 6:56 AM, G. C. wrote: > Vincenzo Galilei wrote 100 variations over the Romanesca, which would take more > than one hour to perform > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:54 PM G. C. <[1][2]kalei...@gmail.com> wrote: > > [2][3]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.ht ml > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[4]kalei...@gmail.com > 2. [5]https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:sa...@gerbode.net 2. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 3. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html 4. mailto:kalei...@gmail.com 5. https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg24116.html 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mandora/Gallichon Website
You will always be in danger to end as a Wandermandl who drinks his cup of Chogla like Vogel Dora does! Joe the Word Botcher Am 24.01.2020 3:00 nachm. schrieb Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt : Becoming a mandora enthusiast without having a mandora can only happen, if first of all you like the music which has been written for this instrument. Its standard tuning is equal to modern guitar tuning. There have been mandoras tuned in E (like guitar) or one note lower in D. So you can play this music directly from the tab on a modern guitar, or, as you mentioned, on a Wandervogel lute. (But a lot of the original repertoire is asking for another tuning where the lowest course is tuned up a third (in E= e' - h - g - d - A - G). The arrangements of the Mandora Website are all adapted for standard tuning. Of course playing this music on guitar or Wandervogel lute sounds - what else - like guitar or Wandervogel lute, but it can give you an impression of what the music itself sounds like - and if you like it. If you would like to hear how this music sounds played on mandora please listen to what Rod Blocksidge offers on his vimeo channel (link on www.mandora.de/audio). Coming close to the mandora sound by using modern guitar or a Wandervogel lute will be difficult because of their much higher string tension. You can try to replace your strings by some lute strings with less tension, but I'm not sure if this will be satisfying and makes a good sound. __ SEICENTO-Notenversand Rainer Luckhardt Holbeinstrasse 12 D-79312 Emmendingen Tel. ++49/(0)7641 - 932803 Internet: www.seicentomusic.de VAT/UID-Nr. DE 142 047 317 Am 24.01.2020 um 14:15 schrieb Tristan von Neumann: > Can I become a Mandora enthusiast by using a Wandervogel lute?... > > What's the stringing choice to come close to Mandora sound? > > > On 24.01.20 14:16, Martyn Hodgson wrote: >> Well done Rainer, >> - let's hope this produces even more interest in this relatively >> neglected but, once, popular little family of instruments. >> regards >> Martyn >> >> On Friday, 24 January 2020, 13:06:47 GMT, Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt >> wrote: >> Hi all, >> I would like to inform you that I have setup a new website >> dedicated >> to >> the Gallichon/Mandora, where some information can be found, and >> where >> some music for solo mandora, songs with mandora or chamber >> music with >> mandora is already integrated and downloadable for free. You >> can find >> links to libraries which offer their digitized manuscripts with >> mandora >> music online. The website is in german and english language, >> and it's >> still a work in progress. So from time to time I will put in some >> more >> music (or audio files). Of course other mandora-enthusiast are >> invited >> to participate as well. The music is mostly unknown and taken from >> different mss. >> You can visit this page at: [1]www.gallichon. de or >> [2]www.mandora.org >> -- >> __ >> SEICENTO-Notenversand >> Rainer Luckhardt >> Holbeinstrasse 12 >> D-79312 Emmendingen >> Tel. ++49/(0)7641 - 932803 >> Internet: [3]www.seicentomusic.de >> VAT/UID-Nr. DE 142 047 317 >> -- >> References >> 1. [1]http://www.gallichon/ >> 2. [2]http://www.mandora.org/ >> 3. [3]http://www.seicentomusic.de/ >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> -- >> >> References >> >> 1. http://www.gallichon/ >> 2. http://www.mandora.org/ >> 3. http://www.seicentomusic.de/ >> 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > >
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
That must be some misunderstanding - there are no instruments on which one could base Gerle or Dowland tmperaments. Best Jo Originalnachricht Von: Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 05:40 An: Daniel Shoskes Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Lute List; Tristan von Neumann Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments from what I read the fret calculators on the net are based on historic instruments - hence a distinct Gerle and Dowland tuning because they are taken from the fret marks on the neck of different instruments. @ Daniel Shoskes, I wonder with 1/6th comma tuning what is the reference pitch as a tuning where the fundamental is G would result in different pitches compared to a tuning based on A. Another thing, would all common keys sound 'better' as you describe it, i.e. where are the limits as of keys? The Dowland Coranto for instance which is basically in F minor contains C major and Db major chords among others. Best wishes Jurgen -- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:15 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: > For my Renaissance lute I prefer 1/6 comma. Not too extreme if the keys stray > but noticeably brighter than equal for most solo music. Even if you prefer > equal, it’s handy to know how to get to 1/6 comma if you ever play in a mixed > ensemble. > If you have access to the latest LSA Quarterly, the “Lute Forum” section has > a discussion on meantone temperament with contributions from Sylvan Bergeron > and Lucas Harris. Lucas is of the opinion that tuning using a fret placement > calculator is inferior to tuning by ear with an electronic tuner because fret > calculators don’t take into account factors such as action that can alter the > placement. > If you have access to the archives, there is also a good article by Richard > Kolb in the Spring 2009 edition. > > Danny > > > On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Tristan von Neumann tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > > wrote: > > I know this is a wide topic... > > Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. > > Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later > > 16th century music. > > It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. > > Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. > > Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). > > What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments
Tristan, Gerle vs. Dowland is a somewhat queer Match, because Dowland cites Gerle's treaty in Varieties... So: how do you come to make a difference? Have I missed something? Best Joe the Lousy Luter Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: Tristan von Neumann Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 18:04 An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Lute Temperaments I know this is a wide topic... Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later 16th century music. It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute
Dear Edward, there are many Meinl - one came from a region in Saxonia where many instrument builders were working into what was then West Germany and opened the firm Meinl & Lauber which ist still existing. No plucked strings though, but in the former GDR lutes of the "intermediary" type where built by Workshops run by the socialist state, sometimes under the name of former owners, sometimes using the names just as labels. Your lute will have come from one of these shops. I am not sure how production was run there but I suspect that if your lute was built by an individual builder (as opposed to being assembled by a group where one did bending the ribs, one glueing them together a.s.o.) his name would not have been Meinl. You might learn more by asking the stuff of the Musikinstrumentenmuseum Markneukirchen. Best Jo the Lone Luter Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: Edward Martin Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juni 2019 23:11 An: Christopher Stetson Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Lute List Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute Speaking of that very lute, I recall it was made by “Meinl”. Does anyone know anything about Meinl? Was the instrument constructed by an individual builder of that name, or was Meinl the name of a company? I am curious. I bought that lute 42-43 years ago, and it was built by an individual, is Meinl still alive? Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Christopher Stetson > wrote: > > Sellers often don't pay much attention to such matters, and many seem > to think that "rosewood" gets more views. Or they might have just > copied it from a Roosebeck listing. > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:47 AM Daniel Heiman > <[1]heiman.dan...@juno.com> wrote: > > Interesting that it is described as rosewood, when it looks an awful > lot > like curly maple, and the description says 16 strings for a > conventionally > strung 8-course Renaissance lute with 15 strings total. > Daniel > -Original Message- > From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf > Of Edward Martin > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:08 PM > To: Christopher Stetson <[4]christophertstet...@gmail.com> > Cc: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Julian Bream on Lute >Christopher and all, >Thanks for putting that e-bay link for the old Bream style lute. >I >looked at the photos, and the instrument looked somewhat > familiar. >Low and behold, I saw a familiar name on the case - Edward A. > Martin! >That was my first lute,I purchased it on consignment back in > about >1976 from a guitar shop in Minneapolis, the Podium!I recall > selling >it to someone, and I see it is still around!How interesting! >It >was made by someone by the name Meinl from (at the time) East > Germany. >Thanks, a nice trip down memory lane!! >ed >On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 10:39 PM Christopher Stetson ><[1][6]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, all. So far I've been lurking on this interesting > topic. As > a lutenist of "that generation" I, too, was inspired by > Bream, > along > with Schaeffer, Ragossnig, and Gerwig. I remember > talking with > my > friend who is now a respected medieval lutenist and teacher, > probably > around 1975. He said, "I know it's fashionable to > pooh-pooh > Julian > Bream's playing style, but when you listen to him playing a > Francesco > Ricercar, you can hear every voice." I was lucky enough > to see > him > perform at about the same time. He had his quirks (who > doesn't?), and > he was trying to make a living, but his playing was > inspiring > and, if I > may use an over-used word, awesome. Coincidentally, > there's a > Bream-style lute currently up on Ebay: > > [1][2][7]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rosewood-16-String-Lute-Wi > th- > Hard-C > ase/233268737420?hash=item364fe6758c:g:U4cAAOSw98Rc~WS8 > Best, and keep playing. > Chris. > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 4:50 PM John Mardinly > <[2][3][8]john.mardi...@asu.edu> wrote: > I have always liked what Vladimir Horowitz said of > practice: > "If > I miss > a day, I can tell. If I miss two days, my wife can > tell. If > I > miss 3 > days, everyone can tell." > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > On Jun 23, 2019, at 4:43 AM, Roland Hayes >
[LUTE] Re: Reymann
Dear list, that should be Douglas Towne, LSA member! There is a Minkoff facsimile of the 'Nocte', published in 1978. Strangely enough, I have just my personal copy of that. Best Joachim Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: Mathias Rösel Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019 10:36 An: lutelist Net Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Reymann Yes, that is Noctes, copied by dtowne (not sure who that is, it isn’t Goeran). Cythara Sacra is not there. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Jurgen Frenz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Mai 2019 10:24 An: Mathias Rösel Cc: Lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Reymann There is a "modern" edition on the Fronimo user group archive, I guess it is accessible to Fronimo users only. It was made in 1999, the "readme" doesn't identify the author. My guess is Göran Krona or Jason Curtis. -- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, May 2, 2019 1:25 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: > Not easy to read, c and e almost undiscernible at many places. > Digitalised copies would be great help. > There must be facsimile files of Reymann online somewhere, though, > because I've g got one. > Mathias > __ > > Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App > --- Original-Nachricht --- > Von: Susan Price > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Reymann > Datum: 02.05.2019, 4:23 Uhr > An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > I see that OMI has a nice facsimile of Reymann for $111.00. Should I > purchase? > Susan > Original message > From: Dan Winheld <[2]dwinh...@lmi.net> > Date: 5/1/19 7:27 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: magnus andersson <[3]maan7...@yahoo.com>, Tristan von Neumann > <[4]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reymann > Congratulations Tristan and Magnus- you have gotten me interested in > getting Reymann's "Noctes"; unfortunately my eyesight has degraded to > the point where I can no longer read facsimiles. Are there any modern > typeset editions? (Any tab system or pitch notation- just has to be > legible to ancient eyes) > Thanks for any leads- > Dan > On 4/26/2019 10:19 PM, magnus andersson wrote: > > > Dear Tristan, > > > > > > I have played some Reymann in concert. His Noctes collection is > > indeed > > > one of the finest collections of lute music that's come down to > > us. > > > > > > His galliardas are among the the most virtuouso pieces in the > > whole > > > repertoire. > > > > > > He must have been a very accomplished musician! > > > > > > I hope to record some of his music in the future. His Cythara > > sacra is > > > a great pendant to Noctes. Much more meditative and less > > technically > > > demanding. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Magnus > > > [1]Skickat fr��������n Yahoo Mail > > f��������r iPhone > > > > > > Den fredag, april 26, 2019, 10:29 em, skrev Tristan von Neumann > > > <[6]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>: > > > > > > Just got my hands on Noctes Musicae 1598 by Matthaeus Reymann. > > > > > > Has anyone played it? > > > > > > I am amazed that there is absolutely no recording of this amazing > > very > > > > > > original music. > > > > > > The collection has huge choral and other fantasies with lots of > > great > > > > > > ideas, and especially pavans that rival the fantastic treatment > > of > > > > > > Daniel Batchelar's - these aren't dances anymore, but fantasies > > ordered > > > > > > by the pavan model. > > > > > > The best thing: the difficulty is not that high compared to the > > effect: > > > > > > the fingering is very logical and doesn't distract from the > > beauty of > > > > > > the pieces. > > > > > > Huge recommendation. > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > > [2][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > -- > > > > > > References > > > > > > 1. [8]https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS > > > 2. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > -- > > References > > 1. > https://kommunikationsdienste.t-online.de/redirects/email_app_android_sendmail_footer > 2. mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net > 3. mailto:maan7...@yahoo.com > 4. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 6. mailto:tristanvonneum...@gmx.de > 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 8. https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS > 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky
Dear Ron, I will look this up in the sources when I am back home on Sunday, but I think Martin is right. Best Joachim P.S. You are right too, concerning historical playing technique vs what a lot of us do today, but I would not insist on 1600 as the point from whence they didn't underthumb their scales anymore Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: Ron Andrico Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 13:59 An: Martin Shepherd; Lute List Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky Perhaps the mis-remembered quotation is a conflation of Besard and Vallet, who recommended thumb-index for fast passages. Nevertheless, music from around 1600 forward in time should be played with the thumb out if we are to follow the written advice and the iconography. I still see far too may baroque lute and theorbo players using thumb-under, which is patently absurd given both the historical precedent and the physical layout of extended bass instruments. Isn't it about time lute players moved forward from the guitarist versus lutenist nonsense from the 1970s and played according to actual historical examples? __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of Martin Shepherd Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 8:23 AM To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky Dear All, Just from memory - Besard insists on thumb-out technique as being the best, but allows that people with short thumbs may find thumb-inside easier. I find it inconceivable that he would change hand position during a piece, and see no reason why you should not use thumb-index alternation in fast runs with thumb out - flamenco guitarists do it all the time. The fingering dots in the ML lute book (c.1640) give an interesting indication of this. In Dowland's fantasia (Poulton 1, ML ff.14v-15r) all runs are marked to be played middle-index, except where a running passage has infrequent bass notes (f.15, second system) which have no double dots (meaning middle), so presumably to be be played thumb-index. Once the bass notes become more frequent (and the speed of the treble movement stays the same, 3rd and 4th systems) the middle-index alternation returns. Then a fast cadential formula (end of system 5) lacks any double dots and is therefore thumb-index. I'm sure there are many other examples like this. Nigel North's recent talk at the Lute Society gave many interesting examples of RH fingerings. Martin On 06/03/2019 08:06, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote: > Sorry: 'original', naturally! > > Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. >Originalnachricht > Von: jo.lued...@t-online.de > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 07:49 > An: Lute net > Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky > > > Dear Alan, dear Jurgen, > > There is something to that effect in all 'oroginal' versions of Besard's instructions, that is: 1603 and 1617. I do not remember if ye text englished contains the passage... > > Best > > Joachim > > >Originalnachricht > Von: Alain Veylit > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 04:32 > Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Cc: Lute net > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky > > > Jurgen, > > It's been a while and I was quoting from memory... but I am sure I saw > it somewhere - perhaps the instructions translated in English in the > Varietie of Lute Lessons? > > Or maybe the use of dots in Thesaurus Harmonicus ... > > Alain > > On 3/4/19 11:11 PM, Jurgen Frenz wrote: >> It would be totally excellent if you'd find out where Besard made that suggestion. >> Thanks, >> jurgen >> >> >> -- >> "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen." >> >> JalÄl ad-DÄ«n Muhammad Rumi >> >> âââââââ Original Message âââââââ. >> On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:40 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: >> >>> That's odd because I remember O'Dette's advice for the left-hand pinky: >>> plant it vertically on the string instead of laying it flat - which >>> requires more effort. That should mean his left-hand little finger can >>> bend... Not a conclusive proof for the right hand little finger but ... >>> For Renaissance lute, if I am not mistaken, the right-hand little finger >>> is supposed to be parallel to the sound board, just lightly brushing on >>> it, and it should remain extended. >>> >>> Anybody with a good explanation as to how additional basses would alter >>> the right hand position? If I recall, Besard still argued
[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky
Sorry: 'original', naturally! Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone. Originalnachricht Von: jo.lued...@t-online.de Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 07:49 An: Lute net Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky Dear Alan, dear Jurgen, There is something to that effect in all 'oroginal' versions of Besard's instructions, that is: 1603 and 1617. I do not remember if ye text englished contains the passage... Best Joachim Originalnachricht Von: Alain Veylit Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 04:32 Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Lute net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky Jurgen, It's been a while and I was quoting from memory... but I am sure I saw it somewhere - perhaps the instructions translated in English in the Varietie of Lute Lessons? Or maybe the use of dots in Thesaurus Harmonicus ... Alain On 3/4/19 11:11 PM, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > It would be totally excellent if you'd find out where Besard made that > suggestion. > Thanks, > jurgen > > > -- > “There is a voice that doesn’t use words. Listen.” > > Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐. > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:40 AM, Alain Veylit > wrote: > >> That's odd because I remember O'Dette's advice for the left-hand pinky: >> plant it vertically on the string instead of laying it flat - which >> requires more effort. That should mean his left-hand little finger can >> bend... Not a conclusive proof for the right hand little finger but ... >> For Renaissance lute, if I am not mistaken, the right-hand little finger >> is supposed to be parallel to the sound board, just lightly brushing on >> it, and it should remain extended. >> >> Anybody with a good explanation as to how additional basses would alter >> the right hand position? If I recall, Besard still argued for a mixed >> technique, thumb-under for fast runs and thumb over for whatever else >> (chords). I think it is logical that increasing dedication of the thumb >> to the bass strings does account for the shift in right-hand position, >> and when you think about it, it is not a small revolution in music >> history... >> >> On 3/4/19 7:12 PM, Richard Brook wrote: >> >>> Heard via the late great Pat OBrien Paul O’Dette couldn’t bend that finger >>> down by itself. Though I think Pat said in my case the fault was in my >>> head, not in the stars. >>> D ick Brook >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Alain Veylit al...@musickshandmade.com wrote: Good one Rainer - Anybody remembers the title of that American series from the 60s-70s where aliens live among us in disguise, and the only sure way to identify them is that they cannot bend their little finger? Worth mentioning also about right-hand technique, Jimmy Hendrix playing with his teeth - frustrated leftie, you think? On 3/4/19 12:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > On 04.03.2019 17:11, Alain Veylit wrote: > >> And then, there is Django Reinhardt... one big exception to the rules of >> guitar playing. Experimenting with various techniques has probably >> always been a popular habit among musicians, whether by choice or force. > And Aguado used the 4th finger of the right hand. Perhaps he was an alien > :) > Rainer > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky
Dear Alan, dear Jurgen, There is something to that effect in all 'oroginal' versions of Besard's instructions, that is: 1603 and 1617. I do not remember if ye text englished contains the passage... Best Joachim Originalnachricht Von: Alain Veylit Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 04:32 Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Lute net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: right hand technique -- bending the pinky Jurgen, It's been a while and I was quoting from memory... but I am sure I saw it somewhere - perhaps the instructions translated in English in the Varietie of Lute Lessons? Or maybe the use of dots in Thesaurus Harmonicus ... Alain On 3/4/19 11:11 PM, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > It would be totally excellent if you'd find out where Besard made that > suggestion. > Thanks, > jurgen > > > -- > “There is a voice that doesn’t use words. Listen.” > > Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐. > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 10:40 AM, Alain Veylit > wrote: > >> That's odd because I remember O'Dette's advice for the left-hand pinky: >> plant it vertically on the string instead of laying it flat - which >> requires more effort. That should mean his left-hand little finger can >> bend... Not a conclusive proof for the right hand little finger but ... >> For Renaissance lute, if I am not mistaken, the right-hand little finger >> is supposed to be parallel to the sound board, just lightly brushing on >> it, and it should remain extended. >> >> Anybody with a good explanation as to how additional basses would alter >> the right hand position? If I recall, Besard still argued for a mixed >> technique, thumb-under for fast runs and thumb over for whatever else >> (chords). I think it is logical that increasing dedication of the thumb >> to the bass strings does account for the shift in right-hand position, >> and when you think about it, it is not a small revolution in music >> history... >> >> On 3/4/19 7:12 PM, Richard Brook wrote: >> >>> Heard via the late great Pat OBrien Paul O’Dette couldn’t bend that finger >>> down by itself. Though I think Pat said in my case the fault was in my >>> head, not in the stars. >>> D ick Brook >>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Alain Veylit al...@musickshandmade.com wrote: Good one Rainer - Anybody remembers the title of that American series from the 60s-70s where aliens live among us in disguise, and the only sure way to identify them is that they cannot bend their little finger? Worth mentioning also about right-hand technique, Jimmy Hendrix playing with his teeth - frustrated leftie, you think? On 3/4/19 12:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > On 04.03.2019 17:11, Alain Veylit wrote: > >> And then, there is Django Reinhardt... one big exception to the rules of >> guitar playing. Experimenting with various techniques has probably >> always been a popular habit among musicians, whether by choice or force. > And Aguado used the 4th finger of the right hand. Perhaps he was an alien > :) > Rainer > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Rosseter 450 yrs
The ominous lawsuit, if I remember those days well, went against the Rosicrucians because they always spelled themselves wrongly and never got their Grammatica right. Best, Joe the Word Botcher Originalnachricht Von: Rainer Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Oktober 2018 14:57 An: Lutelist Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Rosseter 450 yrs On 27.10.2018 14:20, G. C. wrote: > Right Rainer! Could generosi also mean "generous"? A generous > rosicrucian? (Of an outstanding Dowland Fantasia?) > I have two related questions: > In New Grove's entry on Rosseter: > "In a lawsuit concerning Dowland's Second Booke of Songs in 1601 he > gave his age as 33." Anyone knows about this lawsuit? Was it > concerning Barley's publication? No. See Margaret Dowling's [sic!] paper about the lawsuit. I'll send a copy. Rainer > In Mylius "Grammatica" translates as chromatic. There is another > Grammatica in there by Montbuisson. Haven't played it - but I gather it > is therefore another chromatic piece I can add to my list? It's called "Grammatica Victoris Galli." To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The awful English language
Well, ytt is signéd bye one 'Rainer'! ;) Joe the Word Botcher Originalnachricht Von: Rainer Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. September 2018 11:49 An: Lute net Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] The awful English language Dear lute netters, a little puzzle for fans of Elizabethan music and literature (do not use Google!) Who can guess the writer of this pearl of Elizabethan letter-writing? Dearesste Anna AS thou haste alwaye founde me toe mye Worde moste trewe soe thou shalt see I have stryctlye kepte mye promyse I praye you perfume thys mye poore Locke withe thye balmye Eysses forre thenne indeede shalle Kynges themmeselves bowe ande paye hommage toe itte ... Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The awful German language
I am quite sure that this cumulation of hollow buzzwords and academic boasting was put into the text by Sigrid's teacher... Best from the vicinity of Kraków Joachin Originalnachricht Von: Rainer Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. September 2018 15:05 An: Lute net Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] The awful German language >From the description of a new book about lute music at the Wolfenbüttel court: Im Sinne des sog. spatial turn werden Bedeutungszumessungen an soziale, physische und virtuelle Räume erschlossen und die mit der räumlichen Differenzierung einhergehende ästhetische Schichtung der am Hof geschehenden musikalischen Handlungen untersucht. Der Resonanzraum der Laute bezeichnet hierbei den vom Hof ausgehenden und auf ihn zurückwirkenden lautenbezogenen interaktiven Beziehungs-, Handlungs- und Bedeutungsraum. Erstmals werden hier Vermittlung und Einsatz von Musik und Lauteninstrumenten in Schulen und der Universität Helmstedt, innerhalb der herzoglichen Familie und im Spiegel der literarischen Werke des Herzogs Heinrich Julius untersucht sowie John Dowlands Besuch in Wolfenbüttel im regionalen Kontext dargestellt. Die Hof- und Hofkapell-Lautenisten werden in ihrer Rolle als kulturell-musikalisch Handelnde sowohl in der Hofkapelle als auch innerhalb des exklusiv durch sie besetzten Raumes in unmittelbarer Herrschernähe betrachtet. Darüber hinaus verdeutlicht die Analyse musikalischer Ausgestaltung bedeutender Wolfenbütteler Hoffeste der betrachteten Zeitspanne die wirkungsvolle Nutzung einer Fülle akustisch-musikalischer Elemente und trägt vielfältige neue Erkenntnisse bei. Note: It really does not matter if you speak German or not - you won't understand a single word. Almost as clear as Hegel... Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
