[LUTE] Thank you, and so long!

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Everyone -

 I would like to thank you all for your good wishes!

   Bye

 Wayne



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[LUTE] This list is ending soon!

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Lute People -

  The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours.  I certainly have 
learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Melchior Newsidler's portrait, again

[Wayne Cripps]

I posted Arthur’s picture of Melchior Newsidler at 

https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-old/MN_OsloJ3.jpg

   Wayne



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[LUTE] forwarded request for info on Charles Ford and his lutes

[wayne cripps]

Hi Lute People -

  I got a message from someone who want to find out about his Charles Ford 8 
course lute.  If you can help please let me know.

Wayne




I am looking at a lute which has the following markings inside:
 
CHARLES FORD 79
LUTE MAKER
REP’D MAY 1995 – R.K.A.
 
I have looked on the internet for more information about Charles Ford, but 
could only find that he wrote a book on making musical instruments which was 
published in 1979.  I would like to find out more about this lute; when was it 
made?  Is the 79 a date or an instrument number?  Who was R.K.A and what did he 
or she do to it?  Any help would be appreciated.  



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[LUTE] this is a test

[wayne cripps]

Hi lute folks - this is a test, and if I see that I got it then you don’t need 
to tell me that you got it.

Wayne




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[LUTE] the lute mail server

[wayne cripps]

Hi Lute people -

  The lute mail server at cs.dartmouth.edu is running on temporary
power from a generator for a few days while they redo the electrical
system in the building.  Hopefully everything will just keep working,
but you never know.  So if you send a message to the lute list and it
doesn’t go through it may just be a matter of waiting until something
starts to work again.

  My lute tablature web site is in the same state - it is working now, 
but something might happen.  Worst case if something happens it will 
be back in a few days.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - Pitch

[wayne cripps]

Hi Tom , and everyone else

  The lute list is set up to “unpack" messages that have been "packed up"
for travel by your computer.  One system of “packing" text is called 
quoted-printable, and it uses an equals sign followed by a number to 
represent special characters and numbers.  So when you write about a 
pitch using A  440  and you computer sends it off as
quoted-printable the lute list robot interprets that as a hex number 
like D0.  If you write A 440 it will stand a better chance of getting
through.  Or you could try to set up your mail program to avoid using
any special formatting, though that could be tricky.

 Wayne


>  The 1840 Chickering, one of the very first pianos
> to incorporate a full cast metal plate, was designed to be tuned
> at AC0.  

>  There is a LOT of mis-information in the AC2 arguments,

> including that it was the Nazis who insisted on 440.  NOT TRUE.
> tuned at AD0 ever since.




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[LUTE] national lute day?

[wayne cripps]

Hi lute world -

  I was hearing a lot of lutes on the radio Sunday morning, so I thought I 
would see if there was a “National Lute Day”.  When I googled it I got a lot of 
hits for NATIONAL BE LATE FOR SOMETHING DAY - September 5.

  I think there is a PHD in analyzing this.

   Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Addendum

[wayne cripps]

Thanks, everyone, for your appreciation!  The list has been running since 1993,
and I haven’t sold anyone's data yet.  But I have played music in public for 
free.

If we are going to get technical, the contents of the mail list are available
on line and therefore are part of the mix of data that does get mined.  Not 
that I
have seen any pop-up ads for lutes yet.

 Wayne

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Addendum
 Date: July 21, 2015 at 12:39:20 PM EDT
 To: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   I feel the need to add a clarifying remark my statement that when a
   service is free then YOU are the product.
   This discussion list, hosted by Wayne Cripps and his servers, is in
   fact a freely available service that does not, to my knowledge, mine
   personal information from its users.
   It's been a while since we all thanked Wayne publicly for providing
   this forum, and for taking steps to protect its users.  The lute-list
   is a much appreciated remnant of old-school egalitarianism.
   Thanks, Wayne.
   RA
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:58:03 +
 To: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp; dwinh...@lmi.net
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: xx problem
 
 Ed, you'll recall that I made the suggestion off-list, and that I
 qualified the suggestion with the statement that I do NOT use the
 data-mining service. As far as I can tell, any positive uses the
 service may have had are negated by the nature and quantity of
   personal
 information it robs from public interactions and private mail
 accounts. As usual, when a service is free then YOU are the product.
 RA
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:28:39 +0900
 To: dwinh...@lmi.net
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: xx problem
 
 x seems to be a fairly useless thing for me. The main use Ive
 made of it is to grab friends pictures to put in my address book. I
 never endorse people anymore because then I just get bothered by more
 and more messages. However, I did reach Terry through x sparked
 by Rons suggestion.
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:
 
 To Terry Schumacher and anyone else on xx-
 
 I no longer have an account on x. Please stop x (if
 possible) from bothering me with contact/endorsement  other
   requests.
 Nothing personal, hostile, reclusive or anything; I just no longer
   have
 an account with x- it provides nothing of any personal or
 professional use to me. I can always be contacted through this elist
   if
 you do not have my personal email address.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
   x
 
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[LUTE] Can you tell something about this instrument?

[wayne cripps]

Hi Lute people -

  I was contacted by Bill E who owns this theorbo like instrument, and he is 
wondering if 
any of you folk have any idea what its story is.  I have his story and pictures 
of it at 

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/bill-e/index.html

  The pictures are quite big.  You can reply to eichbaumwill...@hotmail.com

  Wayne


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[LUTE] Re: band-aid texture question

[wayne cripps]

Hi Collective Wisdom -

 Thanks for all your suggestions about curing my thumb cracks!  I tried some
moisturizer which helped, and the temperature going from -5 to 25 ( -20 to 4 C )
really helped too.  I was surprised by how many people had ideas about this!

   Wayne



 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: January 29, 2015 at 10:52:23 AM EST
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: wayne cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] band-aid texture question
 
 Hi folks -
 
  I am having serious issues with cracked skin on my thumb. about where it
 contacts the string, because of the dry winter weather here in the north.
 I am using band-aids to keep the crack closed, but the ones that I have tried 
 all are too slippery to get a good sound on the lute strings.  Has anyone 
 found a good answer to this problem - either some bandage that works well
 for plucking, or some other way to keep the skin from cracking?
 
 Wayne
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] band-aid texture question

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

  I am having serious issues with cracked skin on my thumb. about where it
contacts the string, because of the dry winter weather here in the north.
I am using band-aids to keep the crack closed, but the ones that I have tried 
all are too slippery to get a good sound on the lute strings.  Has anyone 
found a good answer to this problem - either some bandage that works well
for plucking, or some other way to keep the skin from cracking?

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Forwarded Message: AMS Call for Papers

[wayne cripps]

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[LUTE] Forwarded message - AMS Call for Papers take two

[wayne cripps]

We will try again ...


Dear Friends,

Apologies for sending this so late. If you have any questions, please contact 
me directly at dola...@fiu.edu. 

Best wishes to you all,
David Dolata

AMS Louisville 2015
Call for Performances
Deadline: 15 January 2015 
The AMS Performance Committee invites proposals for concerts, lecture-recitals, 
and other performances and performance-related events during the 2015 
Louisville Annual Meeting. We encourage proposals that demonstrate the 
Society’s diversity of interests, range of approaches, and geographic and 
chronological breadth inspired by or complementing new musicological finds that 
develop a point of view or offer a programmatic focus. Performances related to 
the meeting’s venue are especially welcome. 
Freelance artists as well as performers and ensembles affiliated with colleges, 
universities, or conservatories are encouraged to submit proposals. Available 
presentation times include lunch hours, afternoons, and Thursday evening, 12 
November 2015. 
Required application materials include: 1) an application cover sheet 
(available from the AMS office or via this link); 2) a proposed program listing 
repertory, performer(s), and the duration of each work; 3) a list of 
audio-visual and performance needs; 4) a short (100-word) biography of each 
participant named in the proposal; 5) for concerts, a one-page explanation of 
the significance of the program or manner of performance; for lecture-recitals, 
a description (two pages maximum) explaining the significance of the program or 
manner of performance, and a summary of the lecture component, including 
information pertaining to the underlying research, its methodology, and 
conclusions; 6) representative audio or visual materials pertaining to the 
program and performers (twenty minutes maximum). An individual may not present 
both a paper and a performance (or lecture-recital) at the meeting. If an 
individual’s proposals to the Program and Performance Committee are both 
selected!
 , the applicant will be given an early opportunity to decide which invitation 
to accept and which to decline. Though the AMS is unable to offer a fee to 
artists, modest subsidies are occasionally available for performance-related 
expenses. Please see the application cover sheet for proposal submission 
details. Materials must arrive at the AMS office no later than 5 p.m. EST, 15 
January 2015. Exceptions cannot be made to this deadline, so please plan 
accordingly. Receipts will be sent to those who have submitted proposals by the 
deadline, and the committee will communicate its decisions by 15 April, 2015. 
—David Dolata 
Performance Committee Chair



David Dolata, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Musicology
School of Music
Wertheim Performing  Arts Center, PAC 140
Florida International University
11200 S.W. 8th Street
Miami, FL   33199
(305)-348-2076
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[LUTE] what JMPoirier really wanted to say about those sarabands

[wayne cripps]

 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: jmpoirier2 jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
 To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Ron Andrico 
 praelu...@hotmail.com, Thomas Walker twlute...@hotmail.com, 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
 Date: December 17, 2014 at 4:23:40 AM EST
 
 I think Thomas was questioning the existing contemporary sources to choose a 
 correct tempo for the saraband in the 1630s. 
 To my knowledge Mersenne is the only one to address this question when he 
 recapitulates all the dance movements of his time (1636) and his indications 
 point towards a brisk tempo, exactly like English sarabands at the same time; 
 Locke always indicate brisk for his sarabands for instance. 
 Best wishes to all
 Jean-Marie 
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: Martyn Hodgson 
 Date: 17/12/2014 9:53
 To: Ron Andrico;Thomas Walker;lute@cs.dartmouth.edu;
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
 
Do you really mean to say that the tempo of a dance played on, say, the
lute has no relationship whatsoever to the tempo at which
contemporaries actually danced it?
MH
  __
 
From: Ron Andrico 
To: Thomas Walker ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

Sent: Tuesday, 16 December 2014, 20:55
Subject: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
  Hello Thomas:
  A good modernish source of information can be found in D. J. Buch,
The
  Influence of the Ballet de cour in the Genesis of the French Baroque
  Suite, Acta Musicologica, Vol. 57, Fasc. 1 (Jan. - Jun., 1985), pp.
  94-109.  The saraband is discussed on page 102.
  Since so much 17th-century lute music consisted of boiled-down
versions
  of popular dance tunes, it important to know how a particular dance
  worked in it's original context.  Then one has to realize that, since
  lutes are and were inaudible when dancer's feet scrape the floor, the
  music is adapted and performed in whatever manner the player wishes.
  RA
   Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:03:13 -0600
   To: [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   From: [2]twlute...@hotmail.com
   Subject: [LUTE] those sarabands
  
   Greetings all--
   I know the sarabande was originally a lively ditty which morphed
  pretty
   thoroughly by the late 17th century. I have a question about the
   middle ground, in particular the sarabandes found in Ballard's
prints
   from the 1630s, though. Many seem to work whether played lively
or
   stately, and I know of an old Bailes recording where he positively
   burns through a sarabande by Mesangeau. I also have played
sarabands
   in ensemble works by Jenkins et al that demanded a lively reading.
   The question is, what textual evidence do we have for expected
tempi
  of
   sarabandes of the French school 1610-1640?
   Thank you kindly,
   Thomas Walker, Jr.
  
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 References
 
1. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/L10273-6162TMP.html
2. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/L10273-6162TMP.html
3. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/L10273-6162TMP.html
 


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[LUTE] Re: those sarabands

[wayne cripps]

Jean-Marie was trying to say -


Interesting regarding late 17th century sarabands but for the earlier type only 
Mersenne (1636) says something pointing to a quick or lively tempo as I replied 
to Thomas before. I don't know of another source mentioning the saraband in the 
1630 when the Ballard prints were released. 
Best,
Jean-Marie



 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Date: December 16, 2014 at 2:18:00 PM EST
 To: jmpoirier2 jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr, Daniel F. Heiman 
 heiman.dan...@juno.com, 'Thomas Walker' twlute...@hotmail.com, 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: those sarabands
 
 97Pqi! F6zsdf+dsfu9u8w4r! :-)
 
 On 16.12.2014 16:22, jmpoirier2 wrote:
PHNwYW4gc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMHB0OyI+PHAgc3R5bGU9ImZvbnQtc2l6ZToxMnB
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cmdpbi10b3A6MDttYXJnaW4tYm90dG9tOjA7Ij48c3BhbiBzdHlsZT0iZm9udC1zaXplOjE
wcHQ7
   
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Tab for John Sturt's prelude.

[wayne cripps]

 
 In the middle of the third line, on the first course, there
 are two adjacent tablature letters of unfamiliar shape.
 
 The first resembles a 'p' with a long straight tail.  And the
 second resembles a 'p' with a hooked tail.  Can someone identify
 these two letters for me?  Are they 'f' and 'h'?

Pat O'Brien used to say h's have hooks



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[LUTE] Re: Archives

[wayne cripps]

Hi Stewart -

  The Official lute mail list archives go back to the beginning, 
to a message from Caroline on Feb 11, 1992.  These archives are
in ftp form, at ftp://ftp.cs.dartmouth.edu/pub/lute (connect as
guest, or ftp) and are in multiple month files.  These days
you could download them all and store them on your computer for
easy searching.  Your message is there, in the file

  There are also various mail list archive sites on the web, and on
Aug 29 2003 I started sending messages to mail-archive.com.  Other
people have signed up to send messages to other archive sites 
at various times.  In the case of archive sites, I do not run the 
sites.  I just direct messages that way, and the site owners do the rest.
They have sometimes censored certain posts, or advertised pornography
on the margins, and I have no control of that.

  Every message gets automatically added to the FTP archives after a week.
I haven't gotten around to organizing the most recent years.

  Wayne


On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:20 AM, Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

   Dear Wayne,
 
   How far back do the Lute Net Archives go? I have been trying to locate
   my first message to the Lute Net, which was on 8th September 1999,
   about the song As I me walked, but I can't find any messages that
   long ago.
 
   Best wishes,
 
   Stewart McCoy.
 
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[LUTE] Re: those Pignoses! - especially the Hog 30!

[wayne cripps]

So I have the Hog 30, which is very clean with good bass, though nowhere
near as loud as a cranked 30 watt tube amp.  I have a Sennheiser 441
mic (which is kind of expensive these days) on a nice boom stand
which can be adjusted to be about 2.5 feet high,
with a cable and a low to high impedance line transformer (by Shure or Hosa).
I set the mic up on its stand in front of me and put the Pignose off to 
the side.  My wife uses a Mini-Mouse which is a very nice amp, but
with its smaller speaker the bass isn't as good, and I think it is
not made anymore.

There is a picture with me playing the g**tar at

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/me/opening5.jpg


  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From
 It is over a foot tall, so not as portable as the little one, but has
 big rechargeable batteries that last a long time, and if what goes in
 sounds like a lute, what comes out sounds like a lute.
 
 This is of interest to me, since I sometimes need amplification for outdoor 
 gigs.  From your reference to Sennheiser, I take it you use a microphone for 
 the lute, rather than having some sort of pickup installed.  Could you say 
 more about how this works?  A picture might help.
 
 Geoff




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[LUTE] Re: those Pignoses!

[wayne cripps]

So why aren't people sticking to the subject line?  My Pignose Hog 30 
is my go to amp for playing at outdoor events!  (along with a Sennheiser
microphone and a line adaptor)

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

[wayne cripps]

I think one of the theories of researching and attempting to emulate the 
techniques of the old days is to shake us out of our complacency with 
the current way of doing things, much as taking apart an oboe and bassoon
and playing just the reed (extended techniques) is a way to shake up
musicians who are stuck in the current techniques.  Of course not everyone 
wants to play this game, which requires research and experimentation
skills, and time.  Many people are very happy to go to school and
pay someone to tell them exactly how to perform their art.  These days
there is a well defined old style of playing the lute that you can
learn without doing any research or experimentation yourself.

When we look at a lot of old pictures of people playing the lute in a certain
era and a certain place we see a certain consistency.  We see a lot of rh 
little fingers sticking out near the bridge, but we can't easily tell whether 
they are firmly planted or just making occasional light contact.  We can't 
tell how long the  fingernails are or the gauge and pitch of the strings.  
So exactly how the old ones played is a puzzle with pieces missing.

Another sociological question is that of peer pressure in the lute world.
Why do some people feel defensive, or why are they persecuted for applying
a contemporary or 100 year old technique to a much older instrument?  Why 
are there so few electric archlutes?  There is a thesis for your PHD degree!

  Wayne




Begin forwarded message:

 From: Tobiah t...@tobiah.org
 
If we aim to recapture the sound the
Old Ones made then it is surely right to adopt the same technique they
used.
 
 As a fringe exercise, rather like a reenactment of the civil war, I can
 see having some interest in duplicating as close as possible, what was
 done with the music and instruments during the time that they were created.




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[LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning

[wayne cripps]

This is a bit rough, and from memory, but Benade in Fundamentals of Musical 
Acoustics
talks about what he calls the impedance of strings and soundboards and 
bridges.
He likens it to light going through a glass window - some of the light goes 
through and
some is reflected, depending on the relative characteristics of the glass and 
air.
In the same way, the sound wave that is traveling down a string can be 
reflected back to 
the string causing the sound to sustain, or can go the bridge and top of the 
instrument and 
make a sound.  Just how much is reflected versus transmitted to the top depends 
on the 
relationship in impedance between the string and bridge.  A light bridge and 
top, like
in a banjo, means more of the sound goes from the string to the top, in a quick 
loud 
burst.  A heavier bridge and top, like the brass bridge that people used to put 
on electric
guitars, causes the more of the sound wave to reflect back to the string, and 
causes 
more sustain and less volume.  Presumable on the banjo the pressure from the 
tailpiece 
also changes the relative impedance ratio.  The same impedance match takes 
place 
between the top of the instrument and the air.

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
 Date: August 1, 2014 at 2:29:35 AM EDT
 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Bruno Correia 
 bruno.l...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 
   In fact both lute and guitar bridges function in the same way. In
   short, a horizontal force (imposed by the string) is momentarily
   increased when the string is displaced (plucked); this in turn
   increases the turning moment of the bridge (ie force x height of string
   above belly at take-off point) which in turn causes the belly to
   vibrate with mostly a wave action (tho' some vertical pumping action
   too) and thus amplifying the sound by varying the air pressure within
   the soundbox. Whether the vibrating string leads from a loop (lute) or
   from over a saddle (later guitars) is immaterial - it is the height of
   the string at take-off which is relevant. Vibration patterns have, in
   fact, been studied: eg the Galpin Society Journal (Hellwig I recall)
   which contains relevant papers.
   Differences in timbre between instruments may well be due to many other
   factors rather than the way the physics of the bridge works, including:
   mass of bridge (size and density), surface area of base of bridge,
   stiffness of bridge, barring, internal shape of soundbox and its
   volume, etc.
   An illustrative example: many years ago I made a 5 course guitar after
   Sellas and fitted an ebony bridge (thinking the original had one). The
   sound was quiet and muffled (tho' with considerable sustain). I had a
   rethink and after further investigation decided to remove it and fit a
   fruitwood (actually pear) black stained bridge to precisely the same
   design: the resulting sound was considerably freer and increased the
   output ie volume. In fact the much greater mass of the ebony bridge was
   acting as a considerable dampener requiring more of the vibrational
   energy of the string to set it in motion than that of the fruitwood
   bridge which had a mass less than half that of the ebony. On the other
   hand, the ebony bridge's greater mass meant that it had more inertia
   and thus continued to oscillate for longer than the fruitwood bridge -
   thus giving the greater (if much quieter) sustain.
   MH
   PS Incidentally, drilling the string holes low down on a modern guitar
   bridge does not increase the string tension/force and hence the turning
   moment of the string at the bridge (and it could not be otherwise,
   since for a given string the pitch is simply a function of transverse
   force/string tension) but does increase the resultant vector
   downbearing on the saddle which avoids excessive frictional string
   slide (and hence loss of energy ie output) across the saddle. The
   discrete loop take-off point used on lutes and early guitars avoids
   this problem.
 __
 
   From: t...@heartistrymusic.com t...@heartistrymusic.com
   To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Bruno Correia
   bruno.l...@gmail.com
   Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014, 1:18
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
   Thanks Bruno!  So far, yours is the only response.
   I hope to hear some more also : )
 Tom
   Date sent:  Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:57:28 -0300
   To:lute-cs.dartmouth.edu [1]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   From:  Bruno Correia [2]bruno.l...@gmail.com
   Subject:[LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
 Very nice question! Hope to hear some responses on this topic.
 2014-07-26 11:20 GMT-03:00 [1][3]t...@heartistrymusic.com:
   Dear List,
  

[LUTE] fuzzy lute

[wayne cripps]

Hi people -

 One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz from 
the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a flocked 
look!  Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from sticking 
again?  The lute is about 20 years old.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

[wayne cripps]

I am forwarding this at David's request ..


 From: David Brown arpali...@gmail.com
 Subject: RE: [LUTE] fuzzy lute
 Date: July 28, 2014 at 11:21:55 AM EDT
 
 Hello Wayne,
 
 Sorry for not replying to the list, but the ease of just hitting reply is
 the line of least resistance this morning. Feel free to CC this to the list.
 
 I hope I can help you with this matter. First off, it would be good to know
 the maker. When you say varnish, I assume you think it is an oil based
 varnish? A spirit based varnish can exhibit these symptoms, too.
 Do consider M. Daille's words, checking with the luthier, waiting for
 cooler, dryer weather and trying a light polish to remove the fuzz. This is
 good advice. 
 
 Mainly, I see this issue with the linseed/resin varnishes that many luthiers
 cook up or often called turpene varnishes. They are great varnishes, but
 often can soften with heat and humidity. They really need to be cooked
 properly and the quality of the polymerized oil high.
 
 I often get instruments that have softened by body heat, summer temps and
 humidity. The players body chemistry can have come into play as well. Often
 this mixes into a soft, gooey mess that will never harden and often comes
 off during cleaning. I have even redone the varnish on extreme cases.
 
 Any steps should be tried on a very small spot before proceeding with the
 rest of the instrument.
 
 I would try the light polish first as mentioned by M. Daille. If this
 doesn't work you could also try the following.
 
 This method is used more when there is more dirt and mung incorporated
 into the varnish. Try a mix of water and Murphys oil soap. Dr. Bronners
 castile soap is another you can try, but it is a little more aggressive. Use
 the soap in very small amounts on a slightly moist cloth. If this works,
 continue this process maybe over several sessions, allowing the lute to
 rest. The varnish is soft and will take prints and the rubbing will soften
 it further. If this does not work, then you will need to use a more
 aggressive solution which I would suggest a luthier who is used to working
 with these type of varnishes continue the work. It depends how deeply
 imbedded the lining fibers are in the finish. Aggressive scrubbing can
 remove this varnish. 
 If it does work, the lute could maintain the high polish or be a little
 dull. Let it dry in indirect sun with hopefully low humidity. You could try
 a fine violin polish for oil finishes to restore the gloss. After the
 instrument has dried more in the indirect sun, use high grade wax with a
 high percentage of carnauba in it to make a barrier. This type of wax should
 be available from a high end woodworking or antique restoration supply
 place. Use this very sparingly also. It can potentially soften the varnish
 if over applied. Again allow to dry as the rubbing will soften the varnish
 again. This wax can help it from sticking to the case. A cloth can also be
 put in the case as a buffer, but you might just get another type of pattern
 the next time...
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 David
 
David B. Brown, Luthier
3811 Ellerslie Avenue
  Baltimore, MD 21218-1952
arpali...@gmail.com
 410-366-4865
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of wayne cripps
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:40 AM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] fuzzy lute
 
 
 Hi people -
 
 One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz
 from the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a
 flocked look!  Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from
 sticking again?  The lute is about 20 years old.
 
  Wayne
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: The golden rose

[wayne cripps]

I got my copy of this message June 22, 2013!

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: The golden rose
 Date: May 4, 2014 at 8:35:52 AM EDT
 To: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de, Lute List 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 
   It's almost 12 months since I sent this mail- is this a record delay on
   Wayne's list!
   Martyn
 __
 
   From: Mathias RAP:sel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
   To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2014, 13:27
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: The golden rose
 Dear David,
 You are probably right - forget the papal rose line. Though perhaps
   the
 rose reference is some personal link known to those around G at the
 time. But perhaps a gilded rose is likely - I'm just cautious about
 proceeding from speculation to certainty
 It does sound, tho', as if the thing had been nicked!
 regards
 Martyn
   Perhaps Martyn was not at all far from the spot. There was a papal
   golden
   rose in Ennemond Gaultier's immediate environment. His employer's
   daughter,
   Henrietta Maria, received a papal golden rose in 1625. She had been
   Madame
   Royale as of 1622 (later creating what today is known as the role of
   Princess Royal in the UK). She was trained, along with her sisters, in
   riding, dancing, and singing, and took part in French court plays
   (Wiki),
   that way most certainly being in the environment of Ennemond Gaultier
   (or
   him being in hers, rather) who was employed by her mother, queen Maria
   de'
   Medici. In 1625, she left her mother and France for her marriage with
   Charles I. of England. The loss of the golden rose may well be imagined
   as
   the mother's loss of her daughter, bearing that rose. That would well
   match
   the character of the related allemande grave in F minor by Ennemond
   Gaultier
   (Burwell lute tutor, ch. xv). And while we're at it, why would a gilded
   lute
   rose not allude to that lost Golden Rose?
   Mathias
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[LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau

[wayne cripps]

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: versions of Tombeau do Mezangeau
 Date: April 21, 2014 at 6:11:14 AM EDT
 To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Not only did Mesangeau use this tuning a lot. This piece has many
 stylistic traits
 characteristic of him.
 I suggest he could well have been the composer. Otherwise someone else has
 deliberately cited from his work. Anyway Tombeau de Mesangeau might mean
 Tombeau by Mesangeau as well as Tombeau for Mesangeau. If my suggestion is
 right, this tombeau would predate the one composed by Ennemond Gaultier.
 Lex
 
 Would be funny, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, I was thinking that
 tombeaux in the 17th century were composed for real deceased persons, and
 not just like that as a stylistic exercise like in the 20th/21st centuries.
 Unless it be clear for whom this tombeau was penned other than for late
 Mesangeau, I'd assume it was written at the occasion of Mesangeau's obituary
 by someone else.
 
 Mathias
 

So who wrote the other pieces in VM7 6211 ?  Has someone published an analysis?

  Wayne

 
 
  according to Peter's wonderful database, 3 have been found:
 
 F-Pn ms. Vm7 6211, 31v
 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b52503776m/f66.image
 
 That's a different piece, in one of the transistor tunings :-) May be
 BY Mezangeau.
 
 That is the flat tuning, (like Lester) which Mesangeau did use a lot.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] backpacks for lutes?

[wayne cripps]

I see guys carrying 'cellos and guitars in backpacks - does anyone make a 
backpack for a baroque lute (in its case)?

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: making sure your message looks as you intended it -

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

 Due to an absolutely overwhelming lack of interest, I am not
going to change how the lute list handles formatted messages.

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:
 
  The lute list robot converts every message to plain text because
 there was a time, not long ago in lute builders time, when many
 of the readers could not interpret the fancier HTML coding that
 would appear in their mailbox, and they complained loudly about
 it.  If it seems clear that now nobody is using a mail reader that 
 doesn't understand HTML, I could start sending the mail on as 
 HTML, which would allow people to use various fonts and colors
 in their messages.  This would not be trivial for me to do, and
 some small number of messages would still come through garbled,
 but it is a possibility, if everyone on the list wanted things
 to work that way.  I know a few people would be very excited
 to see HTML messages passed on in their original form, but I need
 to feel that everyone would prefer it.  So let me know, one way or
 the other.
 
  Wayne
 



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[LUTE] making sure your message looks as you intended it -

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi lute people -

  I recommend that when you compose a message to send to the 
lute list that you set the format to plain and avoid rich 
text and HTML.  This will keep you from using formatting 
options that won't get past the mail list robot un-mangled.  

  The lute list robot converts every message to plain text because
there was a time, not long ago in lute builders time, when many
of the readers could not interpret the fancier HTML coding that
would appear in their mailbox, and they complained loudly about
it.  If it seems clear that now nobody is using a mail reader that 
doesn't understand HTML, I could start sending the mail on as 
HTML, which would allow people to use various fonts and colors
in their messages.  This would not be trivial for me to do, and
some small number of messages would still come through garbled,
but it is a possibility, if everyone on the list wanted things
to work that way.  I know a few people would be very excited
to see HTML messages passed on in their original form, but I need
to feel that everyone would prefer it.  So let me know, one way or
the other.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] a baroque lute shortage

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi -

  I am involved in a situation where several people are looking for
used baroque lutes at the lower end of the price range.  (Everyone has a 
Lowe or Tomlinson for sale, it seems).  This seems a bit odd, as
a while ago there seemed to be enough baroque lutes for sale to 
go around.  So I guess my message is - if you have a baroque lute
that you would like to move, now is the time.

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Ron's blog

[wayne cripps]

In case your message cot garbled, Ron's blog is at

http://wp.me/p15OyV-WI

  Wayne



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[LUTE] rent a baroque lute in NYC area?

[wayne cripps]

Hi -

 I have been in contact with a beginner in the New York City area who wants to 
rent a baroque lute, or possibly buy one.  If you have something to offer let 
me know and I will give you his contact information.

 Wayne




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[LUTE] dartmouth tablature site back on line

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

 This weekend the Dartmouth beginner computer programmers 
were let loose on the system, and a lot of things stopped 
working, including the lute tablature pages.  The students
are done (for now) and you should be able to download
tablature again.

 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi

   Wayne



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[LUTE] Fwd: Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?

[wayne cripps]

Frederick Noad was on this lute list back in the mid '90s

  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Segovia and Pujol (was Bream Collection…) and now what?
 Date: December 16, 2013 at 11:55:41 AM EST
 To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 What? No love for Frederick Noad's, The Renaissance Guitar? That's where I 
 found my first breath of fresh airs. Guess I'm a dated 70's man. Ain't got 
 time for disco, babe, gotta make Holborne fit on my geetar. 




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[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed ukuleles

[wayne cripps]

Is that the Yamaha Guitalele?  Does that work as a beach/mountain instrument?

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
 Date: December 9, 2013 at 11:38:24 AM EST
 To: Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca
 Cc: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 lutekulele?
 
 Geoff-  YOU WIN!
 
 
 
 On 12/9/2013 6:18 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote:
 On 09/12/13 8:34 AM, William Brohinsky wrote:
 I own an electric guitar, and a small subset of the amazingly wide and
varied tone-modifiers and other paraphernalia of electric-guitar use.
And yet, I also own two acoustic 6-strings, two acoustic 12-strings,
two classical guitars (admittedly, my wife brought one to the union)
and a mandolin. Why ever for?
 
 I now own 10 different plucked instruments: medieval lute, renaissance lutes 
 at a', g', and d', archlute, cittern, bandora, renaissance guitar, baroque 
 guitar, and lutekulele.  I play them all regularly, though mostly the g' 
 renaissance and the baroque guitar (my newest toy).  In my other hobby, 
 astronomy, I own 12 telescopes.  Fortunately my wife is a fabric artist, and 
 owns half a dozen sewing machines, so she understands.
 
 Each instrument has its own function, strengths, and weaknesses. In each 
 area we own a few high end devices, plus a variety of inexpensive 
 experiments.  In my case, the former includes custom-made telescopes and 
 lutes, the latter includes mass-produced Chinese telescopes, Pakistani 
 pluckies, and various homebrews.
 
 And yes, we both know that we are sick.
 
 Geoff
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Technical Note -- Mus. Ms. 40633

[wayne cripps]

Hi -

  One thing the lute list robot does is to convert certain character 
codes that have equals signs = in them to something else.  This is because 
many computers uses the = sign followed by a number to represent a 
special character.  so the equals sign followed by a 23 in Ralf's message 
became a hash mark #.

  Here is the address with spaces inserted around the equals sign.  If you
are handy you could cut and paste this into your browser and then delete
the spaces.

   Wayne


http://jbc.bj.uj.edu.pl/dlibra/doccontent?id = 231274from = FBC


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Ralf Bachmann ralfbachm...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mus. Ms. 40633
 Date: September 17, 2013 4:16:29 PM EDT
 To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   Somehow the link got changed ... it should read
   doccontent?id#1274fromuC
   Anyway, after the Error message, go to main page and type 40633
   *Search*
   That should help ;)
 
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[LUTE] Re:

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks ! -

 I got this request from Katie Gardiner, kgard...@skidmore.edu - please reply 
directly to her if you are interested!  

 Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Katie Gardiner kgard...@skidmore.edu
 Date: August 9, 2013 12:23:10 PM EDT
 To: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 Hello!
 I came across your website while searching for a lute player!  I'm looking 
 for a lute player (and a harpsichordist, if you know one!) to play Handel's 
 Ode for St. Cecilia's Day and a few movements from Alexander's Feast at 
 Skidmore College.  Rehearsals would be Nov. 13 and 15, 7:30-9pm, and the 
 performance is on Saturday the 16th at 3pm.  
 Any info you have on players who might be interested would be greatly 
 appreciated!  We're currently offering union wages, which comes to $255 for 
 the gig.  
 Kind regards,
 Katie Gardiner


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[LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness

[wayne cripps]

This would apply to people who say music is bad when not played on gut strings, 
when played with period-inappropriate instruments, when played with the wrong 
kind of thumb, or played on a sax when they used clarinets in the old days.  In 
the jazz world a lot of people argue about what is jazz and what isn't jazz.  
Not like us!

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: colonel public Lute awareness
 Date: August 7, 2013 6:26:59 PM EDT
 To: lutelist Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 I believe the criterion for judging good music from bad lies in the quote
 (also Ellington??): If it sounds good, it is good.
 
 This is either tautology or useful advice for anyone in the habit of judging 
 music by its smell.
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[LUTE] Re: Dowland song paraphrases - correct link

[wayne cripps]

The lute robot tends to cut off the end of URLs put in the text, but the robot 
also
usually puts the correct link at the end of the page.  In this case even the 
unmangled
link at the end of the page is not working, so I will have to check the inner 
workings of
the robot to see if it can be fixed.

   Wayne


On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com wrote:

   This is so frustrating ... when going through the Lute server the link
   is modified.
   Try this:
   [1]Link to the files
   Matteo
 
   On 30 July 2013 15:58, Matteo Turri [2]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 
 Here the correct link:
 [3]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQ;
 usp=sharing
 Sorry
 Matteo
 
   On 30 July 2013 15:53, Matteo Turri [4]matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 
  Following a number of requests, I have put the paraphrases of
   Dowland's
  four books and the Musical Banquet on a public accessible Google
   Drive:
 
 
 [1][5]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTM
 zQusp
 
  =sharing
  This is the original message in the lute list that referred to them
   in
  2008:
 
 
 [2][6]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.htm
 l
 
  I cite part of it here:
  David Hill has completed his paraphrases to Dowland's The First
   Booke
   of Songs - which I am delighted to say is now downloadable from
   the
 
   John Dowland website:
 [1][3][7]http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
 
 
 
 
   David would like me to point out that ''these are only MY
   interpretations of the meanings of the songs, and I may well be
   wrong,
   or simply unaware of certain facts or bits of info, folklore or
   other
   Jacobean titbits. You could perhaps tell folk that all suggestions
   of
   alternative readings/interpretations will be considered (like a
   rather
   better-informed early musical Wikipedia''
 
 
 
   I'm sure these paraphrases will be of tremendous help to singers
   and
   their accompanists, and I urge you to encourage performers to
   download
   these texts. And - it need hardly be said - a huge Thank You to
   David
   Hill for taking the time to complete Book 1. I understand that
   Book 2
   is well on its way, with the others to follow.
 
 
  Enjoy
  Matteo
 
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 References
1.
 [8]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQ;
 usp=sharing
 
 
   [9]https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp
   =sharing
 
2.
 [10]http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html
3. [11]http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
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   1. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
   2. mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   3. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
   4. mailto:matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com
   5. https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp
   6. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html
   7. http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
   8. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
   9. 
 https://drive.google.com/folderview?idzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
  10. http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html
  11. http://www.johndowland.co.uk/songs.htm
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 

[LUTE] Re: Dowland song paraphrases - correct link

[wayne cripps]

Hopefully this corrcted address will pass throught the robot successfully1

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing

Begin forwarded message:

 From: wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 The lute robot tends to cut off the end of URLs put in the text, but the 
 robot also
 usually puts the correct link at the end of the page.  In this case even the 
 unmangled
 link at the end of the page is not working, so I will have to check the inner 
 workings of
 the robot to see if it can be fixed.
 
 On Jul 30, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Matteo Turri matteo.o.tu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Following a number of requests, I have put the paraphrases of
  Dowland's
 four books and the Musical Banquet on a public accessible Google
  Drive:
 
 

 https://drive.google.com/folderview?=0BidzNgOC6APcLrSkZuMlU5dzlTMzQusp=sharing
 This is the original message in the lute list that referred to them
  in
 2008:
 
 
http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg26955.html




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[LUTE] Re: Lute mail list down

[wayne cripps]

Thanks for your appreciation!  I apologize for the server being down,
the past few weeks have been very hectic for me.  I will be changing the
server again in a short while, I hope the transfer goes more smoothly.

Usually if several days go by with no lute messages there is probably
a problem, and I welcome your getting in touch with me to let me know.

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute mail list down
 Date: April 4, 2013 7:41:18 AM EDT
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Cc: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   Wayne:
   Thanks very much for what must have been a huge amount of work in
   fixing the server problem.  We know how much time and effort something
   like this can take, and everyone on the lute list appreciates your
   generosity and expertise in providing this forum.
   With gratitude,
   Ron  Donna,
 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute mail list down
 From: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 16:54:20 -0400
 To: praelu...@hotmail.com
 
 
 The lute list was down for a week, I got it working friday, but it
   broke again
 on monday and I just got it started again.
 
 Wayne
 
 On Apr 3, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
 
 Hello Wayne:
 
 Is the lute list still down? I seem to get random lute list
   messages and, to top it off, my hotmail account just switched to a new
   format. I'm not sure what's what.
 
 Ron
 
 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:34:18 -0400
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: w...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute mail list down
 
 
 The lute mail list server has been down for a week. I have it
   running
 on a spare for now, I hope I can get it fixed tomorrow.
 
 Wayne
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Lute mail list down

[wayne cripps]

The lute mail list server has been down for a week.  I have it running
on a spare for now, I hope I can get it fixed tomorrow.

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[LUTE] Re: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute.html Offline?

[wayne cripps]

Hi Josh -

 I am having trouble with that computer, and I probably will be replacing it 
soon,
but my other duties have kept me from getting to it today, and it might not get 
fixed till early next week.  If you are interested in tablature, you will
find it at

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi

where it is still available.  If there is something else of interest, like
learning what the ancients wrote about right hand positions, send me an email
and I will try to get a copy of those pages to you, if I can get that
computer to cooperate (which it might not do).

 Wayne





On Mar 14, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Joshua E. Horn joshuaeh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 the link: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute.html - which goes to the Lute 
 page seems to be offline. I know I used a link on this (old page) to get to 
 the new page. Is the new location still up? - Can someone send me the proper 
 link so I can bookmark it. Or is the site down, or down for repair?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Josh
 
 
 
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[LUTE] lutes for theatre?

[wayne cripps]

Hi -

 I regularly get requests from theatre people to rent a lute for a play.  Are 
there regular theatre rental companies who would have prop lutes that a theatre 
company could rent?  Something tough that looks like a lute to the audience?  
It seems like there must be a market for such a thing.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Email freezes or goes very slow - length of extensions/archives?

[wayne cripps]

Dear Martyn -

  Some of your messages are reasonably short - 4 or 5 kbytes. and some are very 
long - 400 or 500 kbytes!  The long ones have thousands of email addresses or 
web links at the end.  I would say something is running a loop, but with many 
very different computers involved it hard to say just what causes it.  I know 
the lute mail robot adds a list of web pages at the end of every message, and 
it would be in everyone's best interest to delete all the old messages every 
time you reply, as each old message gets reprocessed by each computer that it 
goes through.  If you feel that it is important to keep some of the old 
messages for context it would be best to edit them down to a short and legible 
summary.  They are not legible now.

  Wayne

On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
   Dear Wayne,
 
   On trying to open some ( not all) of the emails in the recent 4 course
   Italian guitar discussion thread, my computer freezes and 100% of CPU
   is quickly taken up.  It seems OK with other emails so I'm presuming
   it's something to do with the very long archive links/extensions
   (whatever they're called) to some of these emails (many pages/screens
   of them). I tried deleting them from the emails concerned but it was
   taking forever so I gave up.  I've run CC cleaner and done a couple of
   virus/malware scan etc and doesn't seem to be this but, as I say,
   something to do with these particular emails.
 
   Has anybody else experienced similar problems? Have you any ideas?
 
   regards,
 
   Martyn
 
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[LUTE] Re: Bad Moment......Magdalena Tomsinska

[wayne cripps]

Hi Dan -

The lute mail list filters out most things like this .. sending any kind of 
spam to the list causes me headaches, so I would rather that you didn't do it.  
You message will be tagged 
as spam coming from the lute server.

   Wayne


On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:

   This email came directly to me, not via the lute list.  2nd oldest scam
   going, by the way. Magdalena- are you aware of this?
   Dan
   On 1/17/2013 6:49 AM, MAGDALENA TOMSINSKA wrote:
 




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[LUTE] Re: new book on the lute history (in Italian)

[wayne cripps]

Davide -

  mailing a PDF file to the lute list doesn't work.  Do you have a web page 
address for it
that you can share with us?

 Wayne


On Oct 17, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it 
wrote:

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[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

[wayne cripps]

Mel Wong has reviewed a certain Paki lute .. and he made some inexpensive lutes 
himself.

http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/2011/11/14/attention-cheapskates-paki-bashers-hoi-polloi/


  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Michael O'Rourke morco...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US
 Date: October 2, 2012 3:18:37 PM EDT
 To: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
   I think a builder in San Francisco was importing lutes from the Make
   Superior Music Company in China. The instruments were in the $600.00
   range and from what I have heard very good for the price. Mel Wong,
   yes, now I remember, Mel Wong imported them.
 
   On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Martin Shepherd
   [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote:
 
   suitable for the performance of the repertoire composed for the
   instrument.
 
 Er... what does that mean?  Pyramid strings?
 
 Best to all from sunny Burgundy,
 Martin
 
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[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

[wayne cripps]

Mel has a lot of articles about inexpensive lutes in his archives on his web 
page,
they are worth reading.

  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US
 Date: October 2, 2012 4:54:17 PM EDT
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 
 Mel Wong has reviewed a certain Paki lute .. and he made some inexpensive 
 lutes himself.
 
 http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/2011/11/14/attention-cheapskates-paki-bashers-hoi-polloi/
 
 
  Wayne
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Michael O'Rourke morco...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US
 Date: October 2, 2012 3:18:37 PM EDT
 To: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
  I think a builder in San Francisco was importing lutes from the Make
  Superior Music Company in China. The instruments were in the $600.00
  range and from what I have heard very good for the price. Mel Wong,
  yes, now I remember, Mel Wong imported them.
 
  On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Martin Shepherd
  [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote:
 
  suitable for the performance of the repertoire composed for the
  instrument.
 
Er... what does that mean?  Pyramid strings?
 
Best to all from sunny Burgundy,
Martin
 
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[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

[wayne cripps]

Sorry - I didn't know that .. I was quoting what I had just read.

  Wayne

On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:25 PM, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wayne, the term Paki is regarded as being deeply offensive in the UK...not 
 sure about the US or elsewhere. 
 
 Rob
 
 www.robmackillop.net 
 
 On 2 Oct 2012, at 21:54, wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:
 
 
 Mel Wong has reviewed a certain Paki lute .. and he made some inexpensive 
 lutes himself.
 
 http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/2011/11/14/attention-cheapskates-paki-bashers-hoi-polloi/
 
 
 Wayne
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Michael O'Rourke morco...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US
 Date: October 2, 2012 3:18:37 PM EDT
 To: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 I think a builder in San Francisco was importing lutes from the Make
 Superior Music Company in China. The instruments were in the $600.00
 range and from what I have heard very good for the price. Mel Wong,
 yes, now I remember, Mel Wong imported them.
 
 On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Martin Shepherd
 [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote:
 
 suitable for the performance of the repertoire composed for the
 instrument.
 
   Er... what does that mean?  Pyramid strings?
 
   Best to all from sunny Burgundy,
   Martin
 
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[LUTE] Re: Reasonably priced lutes in the US

[wayne cripps]

Here is the real story ..

http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/2010/11/22/chinese-made-or-made-in-china/


On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Michael O'Rourke morco...@gmail.com wrote:

   I think a builder in San Francisco was importing lutes from the Make
   Superior Music Company in China. The instruments were in the $600.00
   range and from what I have heard very good for the price. Mel Wong,
   yes, now I remember, Mel Wong imported them.
 
   On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Martin Shepherd
   [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote:
 
   suitable for the performance of the repertoire composed for the
   instrument.
 
 Er... what does that mean?  Pyramid strings?
 
 Best to all from sunny Burgundy,
 Martin
 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] baroque lute list not working

[wayne cripps]

I noticed that the baroque lute has not been working .. it should be fixed now.

  Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: My First Lute

[wayne cripps]

A while ago Mel Wong, the lute maker, got a lute made in China, which
he adjusted and offered for sale at a reasonable price. ($600). He told me
that he didn't have to do very much to it.  This was two years ago.
His email is mel.w...@sbcglobal.net if you want to see if he can still
get one.

   Wayne

On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Jim Ammeson jimastr...@yahoo.com wrote:

   So, I've been considering buying a lute for a few years now, but I've
   had trouble finding places I can really try playing one or many people
   I can talk to about them.  (Lutes are a bit of a niche thing, I know.)
   A lutenist at the local renaissance faire suggested this list, so I
   thought I'd post.
   So, I'll just explain my situation, right now:
   I've been playing classical guitar for about 5 years.  I play lots of
   baroque and renaissance music, love the stuff.  I'd really like to try
   playing a lute or two before deciding if I want to make the investment
   in buying one.  As of right now, I don't have much over $500 to spend
   (I know that's not probably enough for one that's really worth having,
   unless I get a good price on a used one or something), but I'm
   *willing* to spend more, just don't have it *now*.  (I'm a college
   student, nuff said?)
   I live in the Chicago area, and have asked around if there's anyplace
   in the area whatsoever that makes lutes, and have tried looking online,
   but haven't found anything.  I've asked around at renaissance faires,
   as well, and, again, just was directed here by one lutenist.
   So, any advice as to what a beginning lutenist should do?  Where to go
   to try a lute for the first time and see if it is really something for
   him?  I've been thinking an 8 course lute would be good for the pieces
   I play to play...Bach and Dowland and the like?  Any general advice is
   also appreciated.
   -Jim
 
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[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

[wayne cripps]

There is a picture in the National Gallery of Scotland of
a woman playing a theorbo, with the comment that she couldn't play,
she borrowed it for the painting, and then she didn't return it.
I didn't make a note of the details, but it was in a book catalog
of the museum.

 Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten
 Date: July 20, 2012 1:04:43 PM EDT
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Thank you Martyn,
 
 Sorry, I've pushed the button too early by mistake.
 No, I am sorry, unfortunately it is not known to me, but I can't see the 
 reason for which she would take for a portrait an instrument that she didn't 
 play instead of an instrument that she did.
 
 Jaroslaw
 
 Wiadomo¶æ napisana przez Martyn Hodgson w dniu 20 lip 2012, o godz. 18:46:
 
 Thank you Jaroslaw,
 
 You write 'There is a strong evidence that Eleonore very often accompanied 
 Elisabeth and two Ladies made music on regular basis.' - is there any record 
 of what instrument(s)  Eleonore actually played at these little concerts?
 
 Martyn
 
 
 
 --- On Fri, 20/7/12, Jaros“aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote:
 
 From: Jaros“aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl
 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten
 To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 Date: Friday, 20 July, 2012, 17:35
 
 Just another thought.
 Eleonore married Detrich von Keyserling who was a very close friend of 
 Frederick II. In 1744  she gave birth to her daughter Adelaide. Frederick 
 decided to be Adelaide's godfather and during the baptism ceremony he was 
 keeping the child in his arms. Soon Keyserlings were moved to Schloss 
 Schonhausen according to Frederick's will.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schönhausen_Palace 
 This was the place were Frederick's wife Elisabeth Christine of 
 Brunswick-Bevern resided, as a result of Frederick's animosity towards her 
 (he couldn't accept her in Potsdam). There is a strong evidence that 
 Eleonore very often accompanied Elisabeth and two Ladies made music on 
 regular basis.
 If this information is correct it becomes apparent the the instrument on 
 Eleonore's portrait is not a stage prop. If she was to accompany the Queen, 
 and I believe this is what must have been the case (I couldn't imagine the 
 Queen accompanying Eleonore) it is very possible that Eleonore decided to 
 transfer her lute into a continuo instrument. In short, what we can observe 
 on the painting must have been her endeavors to please the Queen. If she was 
 successful is another matter.
 
 Jaroslaw
 
 
 Wiadomo¶æ napisana przez Martyn Hodgson w dniu 20 lip 2012, o godz. 14:24:
 
 
  Thanks for this Jaroslaw,
 
  You may be right, but Pesne wouldn't be the first good painter to get a
  technical details wrong - perhaps of no real consequence to him.
 
  But if it is an absolutley precise depiction then some worrying things
  about the general disposition of the instrument make me a bit sceptical
  that any meaningful conclusions can be drawn. Noteably, the
  first string running to the edge of the fingerboard at the neck/body
  join even though the third nut grooves are used.
 
  Do we know is she actually played the lute or is this just an artistic
  pose? If the latter this might be a dud lute being used as a sort of
  stage prop.
 
  Martyn
  --- On Fri, 20/7/12, JarosAA'aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote:
 
From: JarosAA'aw Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Friday, 20 July, 2012, 12:52
 
  Dear Martyn,
  It may look very incorrect however we have to keep in mind that a
  painting is not a photograph. A painter has other goals to achieve. We
  can examine some interesting details of paintings, but coming into
  direct conclusions is another matter.
  First of all, Antoine Pesne who was the director of the Berlin Academy
  of the Arts from 1722 (where he was called by King Frederick I of
  Prussia) wouldn't get things totally wrong IMO. Have a look at his
  other paintings - it's really difficult to find one thing that is
  incorrectly depicted. On the other hand one has to take into
  consideration that the texture he used,  especially to paint a
  background, or items that were classified by him as less important, was
  not perfectly lucid, sharp or hyper realistic. He was called later one
  of the fathers of Rococo in painting and the new style had different
  means of showing reality.  He was a fine portraitist and had very good
  powers of observation though. I doubt very much if he used a ruler to
  paint the strings we are talking about (and he probably didn't care,
  not knowing that there would be some maniacs like us a couple of
  centuries later who would dispute about these archaic instruments).
  However what is of some interest to me i!
  s the fact that he noticed free grooves on the nut, missing
  chantarelles, red strings on the bass side from the 3rd 

[LUTE] subversive behavior at the Folger Library!

[wayne cripps]

There is a web page at the Folger encouraging people (doing Shakespeare) to 
Lose the Lute!

http://www.folger.edu/eduLesPlanDtl.cfm?lpid=748

can the LSA do anything to stop this?

 Wayne




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[LUTE] Re: Haldon Chase

[wayne cripps]

Hi Ed -

 He asked me the same question.  I have never heard of Haldon Chase.

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Haldon Chase
 Date: February 3, 2012 2:50:56 PM EST
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 
 Dear ones,
 
 I received an inquiry from a person, regarding an lute built by 
 Haldon Chase in 1967.  I have never heard of him or his 
 instruments.  If anyone has any information, please forward it, so I 
 can be of some assistance to this individual.
 
 Thanks,
 
 ed
 
 
 Dear Ed,
 
 In 1967 I bought a lute from the builder, Haldon Chase of Bolinas. 
 Now I am trying to get information about Haldon Chase lutes but 
 nothing shows up in a google search except some things about when he 
 was quite young and hung out with Jack Keroac and Allen Ginsberg.
 
 Have you heard of Haldon Chase lutes? He was born in 1923 and most 
 likely has died by now.
 
 I'm planning on selling the lute and I want some background on it and 
 also some idea about pricing. I know about Wayne's Lute page (That's 
 how I found the Lute Society). I picked your name somewhat at random, 
 but it did have 2012 before it.
 
 Thanks for any help you can provide,
 e,
 
 
 
 Edward Martin
 2817 East 2nd Street
 Duluth, Minnesota  55812
 e-mail:  e...@gamutstrings.com
 voice:  (218) 728-1202
 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name
 http://www.myspace.com/edslute
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[LUTE] Re: lute page

[wayne cripps]

I can reach it just fine, and I am away on vacation!  I don't think it has been
down for more than three hours in the past month, due to power outages.

 Wayne


On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:00 PM, nigelsolomon wrote:

 Wayne's lutes for sale page has been down now for some time, anybody heard 
 anything?
 
 Nigel
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Baroque lute - Re: Mace

[wayne cripps]

Hi Brent -

I personally find the minor tuning of the baroque lute feels different
under my fingers, and I get confused by it!  I find that renaissance lute,
guitar, ukulele, etc are related enough that I can easily switch between them,
but the baroque lute tuning throws me.

  Wayne

On Jul 16, 2011, at 1:25 PM, brentlynk wrote:

 Howdy! 
 
 At the risk of sounding uninformed, silly, etc...LOL :-)
 
 When I saw that you were all starting to discuss Mace, I thought it was 
 fortuitous...I have had the Monument book, for about 15 years, and have 
 read 
 it...But since I have only ever played 8-10-course lute, most of it never 
 really 
 applied to me. That is, until now!
 
 The reason it is fortuitous to me is that I just sent one of my lutes off to 
 be 
 converted into to a baroque lute so I can start to explore that part of the 
 lute world. I will also add that I am very excited -- the luthier I sent my 
 lute off to is a great guy and has a very good reputation...more on that when 
 I 
 get it back from him, because I know it's going to be wonderful...
 
 So basically, I will just ask, PLEASE, tell me what I, as a beginner in this 
 particular realm of the lute world, need to/should know? What should I be 
 aware 
 of, focus on, etc.? There is so much information available that it would be 
 helpful for me to be directed to specific sources at the beginning...As I 
 said, 
 I am just about to get started on the baroque lute and any informed guidance 
 will be welcomed and appreciated... 
 
 
 Most importantly, I know this is the right place to be asking such a question 
 because you all rock! 
 
 
 Warm regards,
 Brent 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Bruno Correia 
 bruno.l...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sat, July 16, 2011 3:13:55 AM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mace
 
 
 
   The text, and what it tells us of some contemporary practice, is
   historically extremely significant and much more important than the
   rather disappointing music.
 
   MH
   --- On Fri, 15/7/11, Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Mace
 To: List LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 20:51
 
  At last I see Mace's Musick Monument online:
  [1][1]http://imslp.org/wiki/Musick's_Monument_(Mace,_Thomas)
  It would be nice to hear coments about this book!
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[LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'

[wayne cripps]

Me -

 And someone is selling a banjo/lute on my lutes for sale page!
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html

  Wayne

 Hey, don't knock it -- the banjo is how I got to the lute in the first place! 
 Are there any other banjo/lutenists out there?
 
 -- 
 Catherine Arnott Smith, PhD





Begin forwarded message:

 From: Catherine Arnott Smith casmit...@wisc.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the point to 'historical sound'
 
 On 7/4/2011 7:16 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote
 
 Well, I come from Stratford-Avon with a lute upon my knee ...
 
 in response to this:
Actually, if we 'reverse
engineer' a lute sufficiently, we'll probably end up with a banjo.

 
 Hey, don't knock it -- the banjo is how I got to the lute in the first place! 
 Are there any other banjo/lutenists out there?
 
 -- 
 Catherine Arnott Smith, PhD
 Assistant Professor
 School of Library and Information Studies
 University of Wisconsin-Madison
 
 Employed professionally to test ideas and propose solutions, to deepen 
 knowledge and refresh perspectives
 [Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson in Jefferson vs. Cuccinelli, quoted in editorial, 
 A Shabby Crusade in Wisconsin, [New York Times, 28 Mar 2011].
 
 Music is neither old nor modern: it is either good or bad music,
 and the date at which it was written has no significance whatever.
 (Peter Warlock - The Sackbut - 1926)
 
 Be sure you choose what you believe and know why you believe it, because if 
 you don't choose your beliefs, you may be certain that some belief, and 
 probably not a very creditable one, will choose you.
   
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[LUTE] mail list stuck

[wayne cripps]

He people -

 The lute mailing list got stuck this past weekend.  It is running
again!  Sorry for the trouble.

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces

[wayne cripps]

I have corrected the bourdons.  The piece was entered by Peter Steur 
back before computers regularly did midi.  I am surprised that Goran
did not remember how to correct the tab version as he has contributed some
pieces to my collection.

 Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com
 Date: June 7, 2011 6:50:18 AM EDT
 To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
 
 Yes here:
 
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Baroque_lute
 
 with a hopelessly corrupted midi for the diapasons
 
 G.
 
 - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
 To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de
 Cc: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de; wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi; 
 baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu; theoj89...@aol.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:30 PM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
 
 
 The suite in F#minor is in the Wayne's pages somewhere.
 RT
 
 From: Markus Lutz mar...@gmlutz.de
 This is the Paisane from D-Nst ms 2353a/b
 2 Paisane del Sigre Pachelbel (Pachelbel?)
 C-Dur-   D-Nst2353 / 2v
 Best regards
 Markus
 
 Am 07.06.2011 10:46, schrieb Stuart Walsh:
 On 07/06/2011 08:41, Bernd Haegemann wrote:
 I have a vague memory of seeing name Pachelbel mentioned in some b-lute
 mss; and I have not seen the two mss in Peter's listing - actually I am
 quite sure I've seen it...
 
 
 Dear Arto, I have the same impression. I have seen the name Pachelbel
 - but I have never seen the two mss in question...
 
 best wishes
 Bernd
 
 
 Me too. I have a dim memory and even even dimmer ancient photocopies.
 Here's one which I think has the name Pachelbel but it's hard to read.
 
 http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/P.jpg
 
 
 
 
 Stuart
 
 On the other hand I doubt P. himself composed anything directly to lute
 solo; so I guess the mss's pieces are arrangements themselves. So why
 don't
 you arrange your P. favorites to the b-lute by yourself, Theo? My tiny
 experience suggests that baroque pieces work often quite well on baroque
 lute. Same feeling, by the way, in renaissance pieces being suitable
 to the
 renaissance lute... Perhaps this is not just a coincidence... :)
 
 Best,
 
 Arto
 
 
 On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:32:45 +0200, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de
 wrote:
 beste Theo,
 
 
 Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque lute
 manuscript somewhere
 
 
 http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=deuid=2type=mssst=0nm=50title=key=msnam=comp=Pachelbel
 
 
 
 (does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do they
 have any musical
 interest?
 
 
 
 Have they been recorded? thanks, trj
 
 
 I only know of one recording:
 
 http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU
 
 
 groeten
 Bernd
 
 
 
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 Schulstraße 11
 
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 Tel  0 75 82 / 92 62 89
 Fax  0 75 82 / 92 62 90
 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Theorbo shipping within the U.S

[wayne cripps]

If you look at FedEx's insurance policies ( 
http://www.fedex.com/us/service-guide/terms/express-ground/ )
you will see that..

6.  Shipments (packages or freight) containing all or part of the following 
items are limited to a maximum declared value of US$1,000:

Guitars and other musical instruments that are more than 20 years old, and 
customized or personalized musical instruments.


I believe that all theorbos are custom, or old.  So be careful!

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:
 From: Nancy Carlin na...@nancycarlinassociates.com
 
   The good things about Fed Ex are their tracking system and insurance
   policies.  



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[LUTE] Re: OT: a computer question

[wayne cripps]

Since this is becoming a computer discussion group I will that I have a g4
PowerBook running 10.5.8.  It runs a cool lute tablature program, and also
plays mmidi's of lute tablature.

  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:

 From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com
 Date: November 18, 2010 9:55:46 AM EST
 To: Charles Browne char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk
 Cc: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com, lute mailing list list 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT: a computer question
 
 I'm really not fond of the whole L. mindset
 RT
 - Original Message - From: Charles Browne 
 char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk
 To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
 Cc: Lex van Sante lvansa...@gmail.com; lute mailing list list 
 lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:11 AM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: OT: a computer question
 
 
 what about Linux? see 
 http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/10/revive-your-old-mac-g3-g4-or-g5-with-linux/
 
 Charles Browne
 char...@brownecowie.fsnet.co.uk
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: More digital facsimiles from the (public) libraries?

[wayne cripps]

Our library is having a crisis because the online resources cost the library a 
lot lot
more than the old fashioned paper journals!

 Wayne


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
 Date: November 11, 2010 9:20:30 PM EST
 
 Things are increasingly turning to online resources, but this raises real 
 issues of ephemerality.  What is the probability that someone a hundred years 
 from now will be able to access the exact online information that people the 
 people in 2010 accessed?  The long-term survivability of much of today's 
 information might very well depend on loose printouts, made and preserved at 
 some anonymous user's whim.  Digital storage media has also shown that it is 
 far less reliable than first believed (CDRs only have about a ten year shelf 
 life, for example.)




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[LUTE] lutes for sale RSS feed

[wayne cripps]

Due to an overwhelming demand - two requests - I have implemented a 
lutes for sale RSS feed that shows the most recent ten lutes for
sale on my web page http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html
You can access it at feed://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lfs.xml
It is pretty new, so let me know if you have troubles with it.

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Thanks, and a Customs Tale

[wayne cripps]

I had a similar issue - I ordered a new lute from Canada, and when is was
delivered to me in the U.S.A. I was billed $360 for import duty, even though
lutes are supposed to be duty free if made in Canada.  It seems that there is a 
NAFTA document which must be filled out by the maker.  The maker did fill out 
the document, but UPS lost it.  I faxed a replacement document to UPS and the 
duty was apparently refunded.  I say apparently because UPS actually 
billed the college where I work, so it is possible that if the duty wasn't 
refunded
the charges got lost somewhere.

Wayne



Begin forwarded message:

 From: Graham Freeman freeman.gra...@gmail.com
 Date: November 1, 2010 9:38:55 AM EDT
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Thanks, and a Cautionary Tale
 
   Dear Collective Wisdom,
   A few weeks ago, I sent out a message soliciting advice concerning
   selling my theorbo on the lute list. Many of you replied promptly with
   some excellent advice, and I'm very grateful. Thank you to everyone who
   replied. I have sold my beautiful theorbo to a good home where it will
   be fed well and kept warm.
   Also, I might impart to you the cautionary tale of its transport. It
   was sent by UPS from Toronto to New York, and the shipping was prepaid




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[LUTE] Re: mac - any other?

[wayne cripps]

My program is a native mac application, but it runs in terminal windows, it is 
not point and click.

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/AboutTab.html
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi

   Wayne

On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:00 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote:

 Are there any native mac programs (for the intel based macs) to write lute 
 tab? (rather than running windows on a mac)
 
 
 trj
 
 
 
 
 BTW: I have VMware Fusion on my mac, and HIGHLY recommend VMware over their 
 competitor, but still would rather work in mac OS if possible
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Anyone out there who might be a fronimo user know of a mac program
  that reads fronimo files - just got a mac = any suggestions
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[LUTE] chinese lute - a new era?

[wayne cripps]

Hi folks -

  The luthier Mel Wong has a lute on my lutes for sale web page 

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html

  which is made in China, and is not too expensive.  He says he did not
have to do a lot to it to make it playable.  Is this the beginning
of an era of decent inexpensive lutes?  (I have not seen the 
lute myself in person.)

   Wayne




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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [Re: Charles Mouton and Robert Johnson]

[Wayne Cripps]

 
 Hi Arto -

 If the message is addressed to more than one list, the robot chooses
to send it only to the first match, in this order..

baroque-lute, medieval-lute,
nsp, posner-lute, lute-builder,
feuillet, vihuela, cittern,
early-guitar, lute

 this is because many people are on more than one list and the robot
does not want to send them multiple copies.  I tried a quick and dirty
check to see how many baroque lute list members are also on the mail lute
list, but gave up because people's information on the two lists often
varies slightly.  

 Wayne

 
 [Wayne, if you happen to read this: How does it work, if I put both 
 lists to the address fields? Does your system take care that everyone 
 gets only one message? Often the messages belong to two or more Lists...]



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[LUTE] Re: New twist, old scam

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Gary -

  I appreciate your good intentions, but it is best to not
forward any spam to the lute list, as many peoples mail servers
reject the message, and it could get my lute mail server 
tagged as a spammer!

 Wayne

 
 This is not lute related, but I know there's an interest in these scams on 
 the part of some on the list.
 This is a new twist (to me) on an old scam.
 ?
 Gary
 



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[LUTE] Is your lute still on my lutes for sale web page?

[Wayne Cripps]

Is your lute still on my lutes for sale web page?  
I suspect that some of the lutes that are advertised on

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html

have been sold, but I have not been notified.  If your lute
has been sold, or if you bought a lute that is still 
advertised, please let me know so I can take it off the 
list, and save people the frustration of trying to 
contact you about that instrument!

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Broken peg box - was Japanese-made lute cases

[wayne cripps]

I have a lute, and the pegbox to neck joint has actually come unglued
but the pegbox stayed on the lute, and the lute still worked perfectly,
because of the way the mortice for the joint was cut.  It looks like the
person who made your lute did not use the same shape for the joint!

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:


From: T.Kakinami tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp
Date: September 30, 2009 9:48:20 AM EDT
To: Benjamin Narvey luthi...@gmail.com
Cc: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp, LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 


Subject: [LUTE] Re: Japanese-made lute cases

Hello,

There is no problem on the case at all.
Case is really very good.
I can recommend this case everybody.
I’m afraid; I just forgot mail address of case maker.

Combination of my picture was not good.
The lute did not break while in the case.
The lute has broken while playing.
You can see that work of joint of the peg box is very poor.
http://www.jorgesentieiro.eu/?Welcome

Kakitoshi





-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]on
Behalf Of Benjamin Narvey
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:24 PM
To: T.Kakinami
Cc: Ed Durbrow; LuteNet list
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Japanese-made lute cases


  Hello there,
  I must say those photos do not reassure me as to the safety of these
  cases  (Gulp!)  I assume the lute broke in the case?  At any  
rate,

  good luck with the repairs.
  Do you know if this maker is still active?  I have been told by  
someone
  that he has retired.  Also, I would really appreciate it if you  
could

  forward his e-mail address.
  See below.

  2009/9/30 T.Kakinami [1]tk...@orchid.plala.or.jp

I have one of the La Soma Case for my German Theorbo.
Yes, of course this case is very light. This is a type of semi  
hard

case.
[2]http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/2007/12/german-theorbo.html
You can see other pictures for more detail.
[3]http://picasaweb.google.co.jp/kakitoshi/ 
JorgeSentieiroGermanTheor

boBroken#
You might also find there is poor lute maker in the world.

  I take it you are not sold on this maker, then?
  Best wishes,
  Benjamin

Kakitoshi

  -Original Message-
  From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu]on
  Behalf Of Ed Durbrow
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:40 PM
  To: Benjamin Narvey; LuteNet list
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Japanese-made lute cases
I couldn't find the link to the photos, but are those the  
styrofoam
cases? I think Takahashi Tsunoda may have one. He showed it to  
Jakob

Lindberg when he was here and Jakob commented about it being very
light.
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Dear All,
Does anyone on this list have any experience with the lute cases  
of

Japanese
maker Shigeru Soma (La Soma)?  They look very good, although I'm  
not

sure
they are hard cases.  They are extremely light and well made,
  weighing
in at
about 1-1.5 kg.  See the photos below.
Just thought I'd pas this on for your information.
All best wishes,
Benjamin
--
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Post-doctorant/Post-Doctoral Fellow
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes (Sorbonne)
IVe Section des Sciences historiques et philologiques
t +33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44
p/m +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98
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[LUTE] Re: Information on the Wayne Cripps Lutes for Sale (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

Sorry folks!  The Lutes for Sale web page has been down since friday night
due to a computer crash - it will be back very soon.

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html

  Wayne

August 29th, 2009
Dear Lutenists:
  I seem to have lost the URL for Wayne Cripps Lute Page, if you
can send it along . . . Many Thanks,
Sincerely,
Rebecca Banks



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[LUTE] thanks for the download help

[wayne cripps]

Thanks to all of you who helped me find the pdf download button!

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Hans NeusiedleRe: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch

[wayne cripps]

For those of us who are German-challenged, how do you get to the pdf  
page?


 Wayne

On Aug 23, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Matteo Turri wrote:

The Bavarian State Library provides a number of digitizations of  
sheet music
from its music department. I still didn't have the time to browse  
them, but I

noticed this:

Neusidler, Hans: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch [...]  
Nürnberg, 1536


here:

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0004/bsb00041542/images/

Can be also downloaded in pdf.


M.



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[LUTE] Re: Official Release - Neue Lautenfruchte again

[wayne cripps]

What Earl is trying to say is something like..

Dear All,
   I am writing to announce the official release of my new solo CD -  
NEUE

   LAUTENFRUCHTE.

The recording took place in two renaissance churches in northern  
Italy, on
   a gut strung lute by Richard Berg with Gamut strings. The pieces  
are my

   own compositions, but are stylistically baroque.
   With this link you can download 4 audio samples for listening as  
well as

   the CD cover.
   http://rapidshare.com/files/266342714/Neue_Lautenfruchte_Smpl.zip

Neue Lautenfruchte is being sold for 15 euro / 20 $ per cd.

Orders can be placed through the address: baroque.l...@gmail.com

   Sincerely,
   Earl Christy
   www.earlchristy.info



Begin forwarded message:


From: Earl Christy galantla...@gmail.com
Date: August 15, 2009 12:54:26 PM EDT
To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Official Release - Neue Lautenfruchte again

   
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[LUTE] Re: Official Release - Neue Lautenfruchte again

[wayne cripps]

What Earl is trying to say is something like..

Dear All,
   I am writing to announce the official release of my new solo CD -  
NEUE

   LAUTENFRUCHTE.

The recording took place in two renaissance churches in northern  
Italy, on
   a gut strung lute by Richard Berg with Gamut strings. The pieces  
are my

   own compositions, but are stylistically baroque.
   With this link you can download 4 audio samples for listening as  
well as

   the CD cover.
   http://rapidshare.com/files/266342714/Neue_Lautenfruchte_Smpl.zip

Neue Lautenfruchte is being sold for 15 euro / 20 $ per cd.

Orders can be placed through the address: baroque.l...@gmail.com

   Sincerely,
   Earl Christy
   www.earlchristy.info



Begin forwarded message:


From: Earl Christy galantla...@gmail.com
Date: August 15, 2009 12:54:26 PM EDT
To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Official Release - Neue Lautenfruchte again

   
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: b-lute mss catalogue incipits?

[wayne cripps]

I think that it would not be to hard to convert ABC to midi, and TAB
and other tablature printing programs have midi output capability.  With
a midi version of a tune you could look at the relative pitches quite  
easily

to see if two pieces in different keys were really the same.  MIDI is
not human readable, but it has the pitch and duration information and so
might be best for analyzing melodies and looking for concordances.
It would also be interesting to apply noise reduction techniques to get
the basic melodies for comparison.

  Wayne




On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:47 AM, Taco Walstra wrote:


On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 12:06 +0200, David van Ooijen wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Markus Lutzmar...@gmlutz.de  
wrote:

I would very much appreciate to be able to include incipits also.

.
Probably the best would be to have them in abctab2ps, as this  
format is very



agreed and multi-platform and free/open source. after all these years
there are still only 2 open formats: tab and abc. Both have their
problems but it's still better than proprietarity formats like  
django or

whatever. Unfortunately more sofisticated formats like musicxml do not
support tablature.

I had a look at the Weiss page. Nice and clear, very helpful. It  
would

be nice to have this in the b-lute catalogue, too.

Is it possible to automatically compare abctab2ps files with each
other? If, say, 60% of the data in the first few measures would be  
the
same, it could be an indication for a concordance and be worth to  
have

a look at. Then, of course, this data should be made available in the
catalogue.


abctab is plain ascii, so you can easily see differences when opened  
in

a text editor or a program which is able to show differences in text
files (in linux it's simply called diff).
Still, using a program for retrieving concordances of pieces written
with tab or abc is certainly not possible: if two equal pieces are
written in a different key you will find only differences
But what's wrong with manual work done by a large community and a  
small

group of specialists who are reponsible to check outcomes and updating
the results in a free online database?
Taco



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[LUTE] Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar

[wayne cripps]

You know, I used to run a ukulele mailing list, along with the lute  
list,

but it sort of softly and silently faded away..  I suppose that I could
bring it back.  Jim Belov's site seems to be the place for
uke discussions now.  I have a nice Earnest soprano and a very cheap
baritone.

  Wayne


Begin forwarded message:


From: Orphenica wer...@orphenica.de
Date: July 16, 2009 6:13:02 PM EDT
To: Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com
Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar

  Thanks everybody,
  encouraged by your answers and especially the amazing site of Rob
  MacKillop (Rob, this is really georgeous!),
  I went to my local guitar dealer. ( By the way, his initial selling
  point was that, the babes like small instruments ;-)
  Finally I bought a tenor uke tuned like a guitar, which sounds good
  with Aquila strings. In an old Django version,
  I found Le Roys Tablature de Gviterre, which was  good starter.
  Here is a sample: [1]http://www.lutecast.com
  I think the uke is  perfect for outdoor playing. Tomorrow, I will  
test

  my new small tool on the babes lingering in the park.
  Uhuh, Beavis, he said small tool.
  Thanks, oh collective stringdom and keep the strings swinging.
   we
  Rob MacKillop schrieb:

  I have played ukulele on and off from the age of eight and  
actually now
  have more income from uke students than from lute and guitar  
students
  put together. This has been a recent phenomenom, and YouTube has a  
lot
  to do with it, that and the economic downturn. Mostly people just  
want

  to strum pop songs, but I've been developing some repertoire for
  fingerstyle playing, including arrangements of baroque guitar  
pieces by
  Sanz and others, which I think work a LOT better than such music  
on a

  classical guitar. You can see and hear some of these pieces on this
  website [2]www.FingerstyleUke.com - in fact you can find there more
  than 70 mp3 files for free download alongside some videos.



  As regards 4c guitar literature on the uke - I'm less of an  
enthusiast,
  but it can sound ok. The problem is the fourth string, which on a  
uke
  is up an octave - re-entrant - which is one of the reasons the  
music of
  Sanz sits happilly on the fretboard. Aquila is THE major string  
maker

  for ukuleles, and they do sell a set with a low 4th string, so in
  theory you could have exactly the same tuning as a 4c guitar, except
  for the single strings. Another instrument available over the net is
  the Taropatch Fiddle - not a fiddle, imagine a uke with double  
strings,
  and this could give you a more 4c-like sound for peanuts. BTW,  
Aquila

  also sell a gut set for uke!



  I currently have five students playing Sanz on the uke - none of  
whom
  had shown the slightest interest in so-called 'classical music'  
before.

  They are loving it, and three of them have bought baroque guitar CDs
  now.



  Rob MacKillop

References

  1. http://www.lutecast.com/
  2. http://www.fingerstyleuke.com/


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[LUTE] octave stringing - historical references ?

[Wayne Cripps]

Speaking of octave strings, what are the historical
references for it, especially the fourth string 
in the early part of the sixteenth century?

 Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

[wayne cripps]

I will add my two cent's worth - whatever lute you get, you will
probably change your mind in a few years and want something
different.  So get a good lute that you can sell again.  I
run a 'lutes for sale' web page, and Larry Brown student lutes
always sell well, and sometimes can be gotten for a good
price.  In other words, you might buy one for $1250 and sell it
for $1500 a few years later.  My opinion is that playability
and sound is more important in a first lute than the particular
number of strings or style.  Go to an early music festival
and try a few too!  (even if they are far away.)

  Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Is Anyone Out There??

[wayne cripps]

There is nothing more to say

  Wayne

Begin forwarded message:


From: Leonard Williams arc...@verizon.net
Date: April 21, 2009 4:15:38 PM EDT
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Is Anyone Out There??

   Just checking--we went from lots of postings to virtually  
none for
the past couple of days.  Is my server culling mail from the list as  
spam,

or are we simply at one of those nothing left to say nodes?

Regards,
Leonard Williams

  /[ ]
  /   \
 |  *  |
 \_=_/




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[LUTE] Was RH, now Rose

[Wayne Cripps]

When I look at these pictures, what strikes me is that in many of them
the rose is closer to the bridge than what I see in modern  lute
replicas!

   Wayne



 May I remind all of you interested in that thread on hand position, that I 
 had 
 put up a couple of web pages with iconographical evidence about that very 
 same 
 point. You will find it there :
 
 for the renaissance :   http://le.luth.free.fr/renaissance/index.html
 
 I will let you choose your conclusion ;-))
 
 Best,
 
 Jean-Marie
 



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[LUTE] Thesis (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

Hello Valery -

 Did you go to http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/page54/index.php
and ask Julia why?

Wayne

 Subject: [LUTE] Thesis
 
the link [1]http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/ to
 
[2]English Lute Manuscripts and Scribes 1530-1630 by Julia
Craig-McFeeley; a study of the English Lute Manuscripts of the
so-called Golden Age, including a detailed catalogue of the sources.
 
seems to be broken...
 
Any idea ?
 
Valery
 
--
 
 References
 
1. http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/
2. http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/
 
 
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[LUTE] Is this a Lute?? (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

You can see the pictures at 

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/kayla/InstrumentX002.jpg
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/kayla/InstrumentX004.jpg

I would say mandolin (from 1880 to 1920) ...poor thing!

  Wayne


Forwarded message:
 From: kayla clem kathyd...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Is this a Lute??
 
 
 I've attached pictures of an instrument I found that I believe may be a Lute.
 
 Whatever it is...somebody tried turning it into a guitar.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Kayla xoxo
 
 
 



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[LUTE] Re: Was: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users? Now something else

[Wayne Cripps]

Since we are straying from the path here, I will point out that you can use 
you can use vim (we used to call it vi) or even ed with my TAB program,
it runs on a mac, and since you get the source you can hack in drivers for
most any output that you want, if you like doing that kind of
thing.  And it is free.  And you probably could use edlin too if you still
have a copy.  Or emacs, or tico, or xedit or kate or even cat or dd if you
are crazy enough!

Wayne

 
 A few years back, walking a dog with a friend, we were approached by an 
 oldish fellow, who started warning from about 50 feet away: Please do not 
 worry, I am going to make a joke! And then, he did.
 O wisdom of old age, now i understand! Everyone seems to assume that i am 
 claiming that Lilypond and-or abctab2ps are in some way superior or such. All 
 the while, i simply responded to specific inquiries: in one case Mac - do 
 not want to spend money, is there a free lute tab program and in the second 
 a guitar tab in lilypond and tab program to write with a favorite editor = 
 VIm. May i suggest, that there is NO universally best program or application 
 FOR EVERYONE, like there is no way for everyone universally to prefer 
 Scarlatti being played on grand piano, or the other way around. And then, do 
 any of you really have a heart to easily suggest to a boy carving out his own 
 whistle - here, take a buck, go buy a plastic one?.. Process is often 
 as-or-more important, or more enjoyment, then result. Many people -many ways. 
 Let's continue, each on our own path.
 
 As specifically a bit about the text entry method. I happen to write lots of 
 Lilypond files. In the end, all i have to write, are the actual pitches. They 
 go into templates prepared long time ago, if there is a new tweak,- it will 
 help a future work. Not a big deal, no programming skills necessary, at all. 
 Feels like eating peanuts or a similar snacking activity. Does not affect 
 lute playing ability.
 Alexander
 
 Daniel F Heiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Since the discussion is about music printing and publishing software, I
  have to put in my 2 cents worth.
  
  I can claim that I am a programmer also, since I write (sometimes sloppy)
  HTML, but this entry method (as in alexander's message below) is way too
  much hassle for me.  I will contend (and defend this contention to
  whatever length someone desires in a debate) that SCORE is the ultimate
  program for setting high quality tablature.  Yes, Fronimo is a reasonably
  well-thought-out tablature program, and Francesco has done a marvelous
  job of creating beautiful and highly legible fonts, but Fronimo still
  lacks the flexibility necessary for high-quality publishing, and SCORE
  had that already more than twenty years ago.  
  
  Output I created in 1989 is here:
  http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/Libertylute
  Yes, I know that PDF files were not around then, but the PostScript files
  I just converted into these PDFs bear creation dates of 16 July 1989. 
  This transcription was done a few weeks after I acquired the program, so
  I used a standard font (Zapf Chancery).  Remember, you couldn't just
  download any font you want off the Internet in those days -- it took a
  while to locate and purchase ware back then.  I was obviously not
  completely satisfied with the solution for the d tablature character,
  since I used a couple of different versions.  Now days, lots of nice tab
  fonts are available, and it is much less difficult to create your own
  than it was then.  The point here is the spacing of the music and the
  page layout in general.  Any almost infinitesimal variation in staff size
  and placement is available.  Any almost infinitesimal variation in the
  size and location of any object on the staff is available. Each object on
  the page, including each character, has its own parameters, and they are
  editable by the user.  The horizontal spacing of the ojects on a staff is
  done with a simple letter command (LJ, for line up and justify),
  generating this effortless-appearing layout.
  
  Regards,
  Daniel Heiman
 
 
 
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[LUTE] After selling a lute... (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

As on who runs a lutes for sale web page, I heartily second this.
I would be happy to hear from anyone...seller, buyer, or unhappy
seeker, when a lute on my web page is sold!

Wayne

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Forwarded message:
 Subject: [LUTE] After selling a lute...
 
 Dear List,
 
 because I am looking for a specific instrument since a certain time, 
 I happen to read regularly various Lutes for sale pages.
 
 I definitely understand why it happens, but I would like to kindly 
 invite all sellers not to forget to remove their ads AFTER having sold 
 an instrument.
 
 Sometimes (quite often, I would say...) I send an e-mail to a seller, 
 only to get the usual answer that the lute has been sold since weeks. 
 Surprisingly enough the ad is still on the Lutes for sale page six 
 months later, or even longer.
 
 This can be very frustrating for the customer and is certainly time 
 consuming for the happy seller too.
 
 
 Sorry for moaning,
 
 Luca
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Stolen Theorbo in New Jersey (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

 From: Daniel Swenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Theorbo built by Michael Schreiner (Toronto) 1998   #  542  , after  
 Kaiser.  85 cm/ 165 cm string lengths.  27-ribbed Indian Rosewood  
 back.  Triple Rose (inset rose, from an older top).  Black Kingham  
 case.  a similar instrument is pictured here: 
 http://www.schreinerlutes.com/theorbos_mkaiser.html
 This instrument was stolen off a NJTransit train at Metropark, NJ (NEC  
 3801) on August 27 2008
 
 please contact with any information:
 theorboy  [at]  gmail.com
 1.917.921.0526
 
 ___
 
 Daniel Swenberg
 
 1.917.921.0526
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 http://web.me.com/theorboy
 
 
 



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[LUTE] Rene Mesangeau - what Henning is trying to say

[Wayne Cripps]

Here is the lost message (Henning, try to send messages as
plain text rather than html if you can)

I always change the 1st and 2nd strings on my 10 course lute
when tuning down from vieil ton to the new
tunings. I put on some thicker
ones to compensate the loss of tension and an out -of -tune muddy sound,
tuning down from nominal 2nd course D to C.( Don't forget to  put
on thinner strings when tuning up again to vieil ton. I
have not tried a single 2nd course in the
new tunings, as this would result in unequal distance between the
1st, 2 nd and
3rd courses (using just one of two holes in the bridge) I can't
remember having seen
any references to single 2nd courses on the 10 course lute. The
question of the 
transition from the 10 to the 11 course French lute is a complex one.
See for ex. Michael Lowe, Renaissance and Baroque Lutes, a False Dichotomy,
in Proceedings of the International Lute Symposium,  1986.

Best wishes , Henning Hoel
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[LUTE] Re: Music in the Sharp Tuning

[Wayne Cripps]

David -

 1 - My agreement with the National Library of Scotland was to 
only print a small number of copies, and I have printed that
number.

 2 - I don't get may requests for this book anymore - maybe one a 
year, and it is not worth the hassle to go out and get copies
printed.

 3 - the Panmure #5 manuscript is very clear and legible, unlike
some of the other manuscripts that I transcribed, and there is no 
problem with working with the original.  You can get microfilms
through various interlibrary loans, including the LSA, or you 
probably can get a copy on paper from the National Library
of Scotland.  Geroge IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW, Scotland.

 The good news is that I am currently working on Music in the 
Flat Tuning, the bad news is that it is going very slowly.
Like maybe many years.

Wayne



 
 
 I know that it says on your site that Music in the Sharp Tuning is  
 out of stock.  Does that mean that it's permanently available, or do  
 you think you might be reprinting it one of these days??
 
 Best,
 
 David Rastall



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[LUTE] question for people who use my tab program

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Folks -

 This is a technical question for people who use my
tablature program TAB Would you be interested in
accessing the source via SVN?  If you don't know
what SVN is, then that answer is no, so you don't
need to tell me anything.

Wayne



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[LUTE] Elizabethan Conversation.com (Forwarded)

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi - I am forwarding this - please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED],
not to me.  Wayne

A long time LSA member, since retiring from Wells College I have started a
businesshttp://www.elizabethanconversation.com/.   While   our  main
product  is  Elizabethan  Play  Alongs   (similar  to Music Minus One, but
designed  for  viol consort music), we also sell an eclectic assortment of 
sheet  music  for  lute  players,  including  the  music of Luis Milan and
Kapsberger in staff notation.   I find reading in notes (instead of, or as 
well as, in tab) helpful and thought other lute players might as well.  We 
also  have  recordings,  including some lute duets, that can be sampled on 
the site.
Can  you  include  an  announcement  of ElizabethanConversation.com in the
appropriate place on the Darmouth site?

Thank you for your help.
Cordially,
Susan

P.S.  In  the future I will be placing a small ad in the LSA Quarterly and
elsewhere, but need to rely on free ways to spread the word for now.
Dr. Susan G. Sandman
Professor emerita, Wells College
Elizabethan Conversation
(607)277-0306
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[LUTE] New piece of the month (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi Martin -

 The source file for the 08031.tab version of your music is very
strange indeed.  It almost formats correctly when processed
with my program, but the source has a lot of extraneous x's
and the spacing is wierd.  Is this the tab format output
from Fronimo?

Wayne




 From: Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Dear All,
 
 The new Piece of the Month for March is now available on
 
  www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm
 
 Downloads are available as Fromino, Tab, PDF and MP3.
 



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[LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE]

[Wayne Cripps]

It is a clear sign that things aren't what they appear to be.
You would have to look at the subject line with a hex dump
program to see what I mean.

Wayne

 
 What's wrong with the subject line?
 RT
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:19 AM
 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 
 [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE]
 
  He always has been quite fond of Dutch heads.
 
  If the body underneath is well-shaped, aren't we all?! ;-)
 
  David - doesn't mind Japanese heads, actually.
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: List confusion

[Wayne Cripps]

 From: Martin Eastwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 If, like me, you are
 careless and forgetful, 

This is one of the major issues of humanity, and we all
have to deal with it constantly...

There is a constant traffic of messages on the lute list,
and there is a constant back channel of comments in
response to lute list messages that are *not* for the
general membership.  People send replies to the poster
that often say things about other people that would
be very bad for those other people to see.  It is 
better for the world if your mistake means that you
have to send your message again than if your mistake means
that you have embarrassed yourself by posting a private 
mesage to the list at large!

And you should realise that it is very bad manners to
forward someone's private message to the list without 
getting their permission, for the same reason!

Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: TabHelper 1.0 - online javascript converter (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 08:59:34 +0100
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Luke Orlando Emmet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hi Steve
 
 Yes it would be fun to be able to reverse engineer the TAB format :-) 
 I've been thinking about it myself. It is an aspiration, but I havent got 
 any plans to look at that at the moment.
 

Given that tab can output ascii tab it should not be hard to get
at least tab-seperated-values output, which most spreadsheets
can read.

Wayne



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[LUTE] lute mail safety

[Wayne Cripps]

Hi folks -

 I would like to point out that all enclosures are removed
from the lute mailing list.  That means you can not send out
pictures, music, or viruses through the list.  You can 
send out web addresses which when clicked will download
viruses though.  So if you see a funny message it is OK to
read it, but don't click on any links.  Especially, don't
click on any links that are labeled as hidden links!
These are sure to be questionable!

 Occasionally enclosures, good or bad will be sent
through the lute mail list in an unreadable format, rather
than being removed.  In this case you will see a lot of
random letters, which will not harm your computer.
A good programmer would be able to unpack this random mess 
into a virus, but I advise you not to try.

 You may also get a message, with spam or a virus, which
has been forged to look like it came from the lute mail list.
If you are into reading mail headers you can tell these
forgeries quite easily. The real lute mail has a
line at the top with the + and = characters and your email
address in it, also a line that reads
   X-Mailing-List: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

 The lute mail list only accepts postings from people who 
receive lute mail.  This is an extremely good way to
block spam and viruses.  But occasionally mail is sent out
with the sender's address forged to be a real lute list
member, and this mail is accepted and sent to everyone.
About 300 spam and virus messages are sent to the lute 
list every day!

Wayne

p.s. - tomorrow is Francesco Canova da Milano's
birthday!  His wikipedia pages need a lot imore work.




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[LUTE] Mason Williams - no attachments

[Wayne Cripps]

 
 It seems that there is a block on attaching files, either that or my
 computer is having 'one of those days'.
 

There is indeed a block against attachments.  Too many people
were attaching viruses to their email a while  back.

Wayne

  
 
 Neil Woodhouse
 
 



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[LUTE] access NOT denied?

[Wayne Cripps]

My lute pages are completely accessable... nothing has changed.
There was a short interval when a server was down, but it
was very temporary.  Still lots of good stuff at

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/lute.html
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi

Wayne


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 Subject: [LUTE] access denied?
 
 Access to the former URL of Wayne's lute page is being denied. Has it
 changed?



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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

When the bridge came off my lute I took it to a well respected lute
repairman, and he did not have to take the top off!  He used a
yellow glue instead of hide glue.  He said it was stronger.

Wayne


 From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question
 
 you'll need to take the lute to a luthier. To reglue the bridge, the  
 top must be taken off. This is beyond ordinary workmen.
 
 And, as you will probably be aware off, this is quite a critical  
 joint and you don't want somebody to botch with it.
 
 g
 
 
 On 08.07.2007, at 17:59, Laura wrote:
 
 
  Hi!
 
  I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until  
  yesterday
  night when it decided to mute itself...
  The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No  
  previous sign
  of being unglued, anything.
  The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted.
  The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to  
  evaluate
  other person to fix it.
  Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this  
  type of
  problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?
  Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge  
  is ok?
  thanks,
  Laura
 
  snif
 
 
  Laura Maschi
 
 
 
 
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