[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Lex van Sante]

Nico for sure! Anyway it says so on the cover of the LP I’m holding.
Cheers!
Lex





> Op 18 mrt. 2018, om 09:36 heeft Jean-Marie Poirier  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi all,
> Wasn’t this Goffriller copy made by Jacob Van de Geest rather than Nico Van 
> der Waals...?
> Best,
> Jean-Marie 
> 
>> Le 15 mars 2018 à 20:29, Edward Martin  a écrit :
>> 
>> Dear ones, 
>> 
>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
>> No lutes listed. 
>> 
>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute 
>> built by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having 
>> a difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
>> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
>> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
>> Goffriller cello. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

Hi all,
Wasn’t this Goffriller copy made by Jacob Van de Geest rather than Nico Van der 
Waals...?
Best,
Jean-Marie 

> Le 15 mars 2018 à 20:29, Edward Martin  a écrit :
> 
> Dear ones, 
> 
> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
> No lutes listed. 
> 
> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
> Goffriller cello. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Matthew Daillie]

On 16/03/2018 04:39, Edward Martin wrote:

Thanks Daniel.

Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he did 
on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der Waals is 
alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used computers, I 
shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask him.  It seems 
as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of who has knowledge in 
this area.

I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming there 
IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the claim was 
years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but nobody has 
documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute.

The plot thickens

Sent from my iPhone


The strange thing is that the dates don't seem right at all. The lute 
Paul O'Dette plays is a 6-course and Goffriller was active in the late 
17th and early 18th centuries. He did have a son who was a luthier but 
he would have been even less likely to make a 6-course.


Best,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

Of course I meant “Nico” not Nice !!! Sorry ! And the German lutenist Nico is 
living with is Sigrun Richter. I visited them in Italy last summer and played a 
duet concert there with Sigrun. They are very nice people!
Best,
Jean-Marie

> Le 16 mars 2018 à 08:23, Jean-Marie Poirier  a écrit :
> 
> Yes Nice is alive and well. He is presently making a lute for me which I 
> should receive in October... 8 course after Tieffenbrucker (from a private 
> collection in London).
> All the best,
> Jean-Marie
> 
>> Le 16 mars 2018 à 04:39, Edward Martin  a écrit :
>> 
>> Thanks Daniel. 
>> 
>> Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he 
>> did on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der 
>> Waals is alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used 
>> computers, I shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask 
>> him.  It seems as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of 
>> who has knowledge in this area. 
>> 
>> I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
>> Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming 
>> there IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the 
>> claim was years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but 
>> nobody has documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute. 
>> 
>> The plot thickens
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Daniel F. Heiman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ed:
>>> 
>>> Paul O'Dettes copy of the Goffriller lute was used on this vinyl LP:
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Paul-ODette-Early-Venetian-Lute-Music/release/10202869
>>> However, there is no original lute by Goffriller listed in the 
>>> Lautenweltaddressbuch.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
>>> Behalf Of Edward Martin
>>> Sent: 15 March, 2018 14:30
>>> To: lute net
>>> Subject: [LUTE] Goffriller
>>> 
>>> Dear ones, 
>>> 
>>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, 
>>> basses. No lutes listed. 
>>> 
>>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute 
>>> built by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am 
>>> having a difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. 
>>> Does anyone know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  
>>> I would like to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo 
>>> Casals’ Goffriller cello. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at 
>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

Yes Nice is alive and well. He is presently making a lute for me which I should 
receive in October... 8 course after Tieffenbrucker (from a private collection 
in London).
All the best,
Jean-Marie

> Le 16 mars 2018 à 04:39, Edward Martin  a écrit :
> 
> Thanks Daniel. 
> 
> Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he 
> did on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der 
> Waals is alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used 
> computers, I shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask 
> him.  It seems as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of who 
> has knowledge in this area. 
> 
> I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
> Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming 
> there IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the claim 
> was years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but nobody 
> has documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute. 
> 
> The plot thickens
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Daniel F. Heiman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ed:
>> 
>> Paul O'Dettes copy of the Goffriller lute was used on this vinyl LP:
>> https://www.discogs.com/Paul-ODette-Early-Venetian-Lute-Music/release/10202869
>> However, there is no original lute by Goffriller listed in the 
>> Lautenweltaddressbuch.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
>> Of Edward Martin
>> Sent: 15 March, 2018 14:30
>> To: lute net
>> Subject: [LUTE] Goffriller
>> 
>> Dear ones, 
>> 
>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
>> No lutes listed. 
>> 
>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
>> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
>> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
>> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
>> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
>> Goffriller cello. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at 
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Edward Martin]

Thanks Daniel. 

Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he did 
on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der Waals is 
alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used computers, I 
shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask him.  It seems 
as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of who has knowledge in 
this area. 

I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming there 
IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the claim was 
years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but nobody has 
documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute. 

The plot thickens

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Daniel F. Heiman  wrote:
> 
> Ed:
> 
> Paul O'Dettes copy of the Goffriller lute was used on this vinyl LP:
> https://www.discogs.com/Paul-ODette-Early-Venetian-Lute-Music/release/10202869
> However, there is no original lute by Goffriller listed in the 
> Lautenweltaddressbuch.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Edward Martin
> Sent: 15 March, 2018 14:30
> To: lute net
> Subject: [LUTE] Goffriller
> 
> Dear ones, 
> 
> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
> No lutes listed. 
> 
> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
> Goffriller cello. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at 
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Daniel F. Heiman]

Ed:

Paul O'Dettes copy of the Goffriller lute was used on this vinyl LP:
https://www.discogs.com/Paul-ODette-Early-Venetian-Lute-Music/release/10202869
However, there is no original lute by Goffriller listed in the 
Lautenweltaddressbuch.

Regards,

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Edward Martin
Sent: 15 March, 2018 14:30
To: lute net
Subject: [LUTE] Goffriller

Dear ones, 

I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello concert 
performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old cello by 
Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on that builder, 
and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is known mostly for 
his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are accounted for, but 
all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. No lutes listed. 

I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built by 
Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a difficult 
time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone know anything 
about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like to know, as I 
will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ Goffriller cello. 

Thanks in advance. 

Sent from my iPhone



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[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Edward Martin]

Dear Lex, 

Thank you for this. This is what I recall, that PO’D played. Goffriller copy. 
Yes, he did a recording on that lute, and he had it with him at a seminar I 
attended on the ‘70’s. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Lex van Sante  wrote:
> 
> I seem to recall from an interview with Nico van der Waals that I read 
> decades ago that Nico  restored an original lute  of Gofriller from Vienna 
> for Nicolaus Harnoncourt in the late seventies.
> He has made at least one copy of it which can be heard on a record by Paul 
> O’Dette with music by Leroy and Paladino. Morlaye and de Rippe are played on 
> another van der Waals lute.
> Cheers, Lex
> 
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
> 
>> Op 15 mrt. 2018 om 20:29 heeft Edward Martin  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Dear ones, 
>> 
>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
>> No lutes listed. 
>> 
>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
>> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
>> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
>> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
>> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
>> Goffriller cello. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Lex van Sante]

Of course I mean Venice instead of Vienna!

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

> Op 15 mrt. 2018 om 21:48 heeft Lex van Sante  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> I seem to recall from an interview with Nico van der Waals that I read 
> decades ago that Nico  restored an original lute  of Gofriller from Vienna 
> for Nicolaus Harnoncourt in the late seventies.
> He has made at least one copy of it which can be heard on a record by Paul 
> O’Dette with music by Leroy and Paladino. Morlaye and de Rippe are played on 
> another van der Waals lute.
> Cheers, Lex
> 
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone
> 
>> Op 15 mrt. 2018 om 20:29 heeft Edward Martin  het 
>> volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Dear ones, 
>> 
>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
>> No lutes listed. 
>> 
>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
>> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
>> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
>> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
>> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
>> Goffriller cello. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[Lex van Sante]

I seem to recall from an interview with Nico van der Waals that I read decades 
ago that Nico  restored an original lute  of Gofriller from Vienna for Nicolaus 
Harnoncourt in the late seventies.
He has made at least one copy of it which can be heard on a record by Paul 
O’Dette with music by Leroy and Paladino. Morlaye and de Rippe are played on 
another van der Waals lute.
Cheers, Lex

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

> Op 15 mrt. 2018 om 20:29 heeft Edward Martin  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Dear ones, 
> 
> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
> No lutes listed. 
> 
> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
> Goffriller cello. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

[John Mardinly]

 Zuill Bailey also plays a Matteo Gofriller Cello, made in 1693 when Bach was 8
 years old. He has performed the 6 Bach cello suites in one sitting 50 times, a
   feat to behold (when I saw him do it, he did it with no intermission-just
straight through). He might know something, but I have no contact info. His web
  site is [1]http://www.zuillbailey.com/index.php/en/

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

   On Mar 15, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Edward Martin <[2]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Goffriller

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References

   1. http://www.zuillbailey.com/index.php/en/
   2. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com


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