[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
Dear Roman; I have no opinion at all regarding the comparative merits of Arthur's or Matanya's views except to say that Matanya's ad hominem postings concerning Arthur were very insulting and Arthur's postings were restrained and professional arguments ad rem. I just felt that it was not quite kosher to continue to denigrate Matanya and his views on this list after he had been removed and thus could not respond, at least not here. I have the greatest respect for Arthur's scholarship and knowledge of the lute and its music. I also respect Matanya's publication efforts. I can't even remember what the original dispute between Arthur and Matanya was about. I think it had something to do with whether a certain composer's name was Leonhart or Leornardo. I think Matanya's vitriol reflects more on Matanya than Arthur, and Arthur wisely chose to ignore most of it. I know from previous exchanges between you and Matanya that there is no love lost between you. But I always had the feeling that you and he seemed to be enjoying the Zen combat which is what made the exchange entertaining no matter how heated it became. But now, it seems, the fun has gone out of it, and it's just sad. These are my thoughts on the matter. All the Best, Gary - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophy ee and the lutelist start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your list. It isn't mine. It is Wayne's. I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of that great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough for this sort of thing. Gary, you are under an extremely erroneous impression that Arthur and MO are equals, or that their positions have equal validity. I do think that having to explain it would be insulting to you. Do think about it though. RT Best to All, Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such a test. RT It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005 ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
Dear Roman; I have no opinion at all regarding the comparative merits of Arthur's or Matanya's views except to say that Matanya's ad hominem postings concerning Arthur were very insulting and Arthur's postings were restrained and professional arguments ad rem. I just felt that it was not quite kosher to continue to denigrate Matanya and his views on this list after he had been removed and thus could not respond, at least not here. I agree entirely, but the few attempts to make a martyr ot of MO required some chemotherapy. I have the greatest respect for Arthur's scholarship and knowledge of the lute and its music. It wasn't made sufficiently clear in you first postings. I also respect Matanya's publication efforts. I can't even remember what the original dispute between Arthur and Matanya was about. I think it had something to do with whether a certain composer's name was Leonhart or Leornardo. I think Matanya's vitriol reflects more on Matanya than Arthur, and Arthur wisely chose to ignore most of it. I know from previous exchanges between you and Matanya that there is no love lost between you. But I always had the feeling that you and he seemed to be enjoying the Zen combat which is what made the exchange entertaining no matter how heated it became. But now, it seems, the fun has gone out of it, and it's just sad. These are my thoughts on the matter. Actually, I don't enjoy combats. I much prefer talking about relative merits of various objects of beauty, both tangible and intangible, and the ways to make them.. RT start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your list. It isn't mine. It is Wayne's. I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of that great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough for this sort of thing. Gary, you are under an extremely erroneous impression that Arthur and MO are equals, or that their positions have equal validity. I do think that having to explain it would be insulting to you. Do think about it though. RT Best to All, Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such a test. RT It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005 ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your list. I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of that great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough for this sort of thing. Best to All, Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such a test. RT It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
start your own list... I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that this was your list. It isn't mine. It is Wayne's. I'll get off your cloud. This list is getting wierd. In the words of that great English philosopher, Stan Laurel, Life just isn't short enough for this sort of thing. Gary, you are under an extremely erroneous impression that Arthur and MO are equals, or that their positions have equal validity. I do think that having to explain it would be insulting to you. Do think about it though. RT Best to All, Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:54 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such a test. RT It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/85 - Release Date: 8/30/2005 ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
See: http://www.livejournal.com/users/matanya/ for documental evidence. Alain gary digman wrote: Dear All; It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
Allow me to add that MO used to run a guitar list himself (now defunct). He kicked me off the list after I opined that publishing 3rd and 4th rate guitar music from the 19th century (in critical editions no less) was a waste of scholarly energy, so evidently he is in favor of list control and censorship and can hardly complain when such measures are applied to him. Karma in action. The funny thing I remember about it (before I was booted) was that MO and Gilardino were bragging about how skilled they were at wading through mounds of bad contemporary guitar compositions to find the few good ones to publish. I asked why it was important to find only the good contemporary compositions to publish, whereas (apparently) anything from the 19th c. was publishable no matter how bad it was. I never got an answer as I was unsubscribed forcibly by the list-fuhrer at that point. Dante -Original Message- From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:18 AM To: lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Matanya Ophee and the lutelist Dear All; It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Matanya Ophee and the lutelist
MO is not defending his views. He undermines our right to ours. As to fairness: start your own list and see if your fairness would survive such a test. RT It doesn't seem quite fair to me to continue to discuss Matanya and his views on sundrie matters without allowing him the opportunity to respond and/or defend those views. Best to All, Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com
