[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Then it would appear I've played a part in the confusion as well. I hadn't understood that Ed hadn't heard it. My apologies. Sean On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 5:37 AM Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of the pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). -- Forwarded message - From: Christopher Stetson <[1][2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 To: Edward Martin <[2][3]edvihuel...@gmail.com> Edward, Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? Thanks, Chris. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin <[3][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and Andrew. Thanks to all 3! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6]christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[7]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[8]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> On Aug 27, 2018, at 11:31 PM, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > do you really mean to say that a prospective purchaser > shouldn't try and find out something of what a recording is like before > shelling out any cash No To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
I agree with you too Howard - well up to a point (end of first para). But when you say 'So someone considering buying the recording need not be concerned with whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated, or indeed with whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound similar.', do you really mean to say that a prospective purchaser shouldn't try and find out something of what a recording is like before shelling out any cash MH __ From: howard posner To: lutelist Net Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 19:43 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 Maybe it's time to be reminded that nobody has said the vihuela can't be distinguished from the lute in this recording. Ed asked which cuts were on vihuela and which were on lute precisely because he HADN'T heard the recording, something that got lost early in the discussion (and was lost on me when I chimed in). So someone considering buying the recording need not be concerned with whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated, or indeed with whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound similar. > On Aug 27, 2018, at 12:55 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > Indeed, I agree. Which is why I put the similarity in sound down to > things other than how the two instruments were constructed - things > like the engineer, incorrectly and through ignorance, modifying the > sound so that the two instruments sound very similar. > Of course, it may be that NN had his viola belly constructed like a > lute .. > MH >__ > > From: SW <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> > To: Martyn Hodgson <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; Sean Smith > <[4]lutesm...@gmail.com>; lutelist Net <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 8:24 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 > My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and vihuela > construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape is > different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly > complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the vihuela has > just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places). > It might be expected that there would be some audible difference in > sound. > On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson > <[1][6]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: >It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated sound/recording >engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments >actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective >recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance, > may >even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the >necessary adjustments >MH > __ >From: Sean Smith <[2][7]lutesm...@gmail.com> >To: lute <[3][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41 >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 > If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from > a > recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the > difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we > suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make > them more similar? > Sean > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin ><[1][1][4][9]edvihuel...@gmail.com> > wrote: >Dear ones, >I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: >Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of >the >pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). >-- Forwarded message - >From: Christopher Stetson ><[1][2][2][5][10]christophertstet...@gmail.com> >Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM >Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 >To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3][6][11]edvihuel...@gmail.com> >Edward, >Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? >Thanks, >Chris. >On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin ><[3][4][4][7][12]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: >Dear ones, >My inquiry was
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Thanks, Antonio. You answered my question a long time ago about how the
vihuela (and lute) appeared in the Don Quixote. Nice to hear from you
-s
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 2:05 PM Antonio Corona
<[1]abcor...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
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From: Sean Smith <[2]lutesm...@gmail.com>
To: lute <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 12:41
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Dear Sean
Don`t worry, Don Quijote de la Mancha couldn't hear a difference
either, back in 1615. When he listened to Sanson Carrasco playing
in a
forest he told Sancho:
Pero escucha, que a lo que parece templando esta vn laud, o
viguela, y
segun escupe, y se desembaraà §a el pecho, deue prepararse para
cantar
algo.
Best.
Antonio
If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments
from a
recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the
difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should
we
suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to
make
them more similar?
Sean
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[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Well stated, Howard. I have NOT heard the recording, but I shall order it, as i really like Nigel's interpretations of Francesco. I seem to recall Nigel stating some time ago that the vihuela was an alto in "a", so the instruments ought not sound the same. I shall find out. On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 1:41 PM howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: Maybe it's time to be reminded that nobody has said the vihuela can't be distinguished from the lute in this recording. Ed asked which cuts were on vihuela and which were on lute precisely because he HADN'T heard the recording, something that got lost early in the discussion (and was lost on me when I chimed in). So someone considering buying the recording need not be concerned with whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated, or indeed with whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound similar. > On Aug 27, 2018, at 12:55 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[2]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > >Indeed, I agree. Which is why I put the similarity in sound down to >things other than how the two instruments were constructed - things >like the engineer, incorrectly and through ignorance, modifying the >sound so that the two instruments sound very similar. >Of course, it may be that NN had his viola belly constructed like a >lute .. >MH > __ > >From: SW <[3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> >To: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>; Sean Smith ><[5]lutesm...@gmail.com>; lutelist Net <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 8:24 >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 >My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and vihuela >construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape is >different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly >complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the vihuela has >just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places). >It might be expected that there would be some audible difference in >sound. >On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson ><[1][7]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated sound/recording > engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments > actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective > recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance, >may > even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the > necessary adjustments > MH > __ > From: Sean Smith <[2][8]lutesm...@gmail.com> > To: lute <[3][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 >If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from >a >recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the >difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we >suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make >them more similar? >Sean >On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin > <[1][1][4][10]edvihuel...@gmail.com> >wrote: > Dear ones, > I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: > Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of > the > pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). > -- Forwarded message - > From: Christopher Stetson > <[1][2][2][5][11]christophertstet...@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 > To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3][6][12]edvihuel...@gmail.com> > Edward, > Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? > Thanks, > Chris. > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin > <[3][4][4][7][13]edvihuel..
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Maybe it’s time to be reminded that nobody has said the vihuela can’t be distinguished from the lute in this recording. Ed asked which cuts were on vihuela and which were on lute precisely because he HADN'T heard the recording, something that got lost early in the discussion (and was lost on me when I chimed in). So someone considering buying the recording need not be concerned with whether the engineer was ignorant and opinionated, or indeed with whether NIgel wanted to make the two instruments sound similar. > On Aug 27, 2018, at 12:55 AM, Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > Indeed, I agree. Which is why I put the similarity in sound down to > things other than how the two instruments were constructed - things > like the engineer, incorrectly and through ignorance, modifying the > sound so that the two instruments sound very similar. > Of course, it may be that NN had his viola belly constructed like a > lute .. > MH > __ > > From: SW > To: Martyn Hodgson ; Sean Smith > ; lutelist Net > Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 8:24 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 > My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and vihuela > construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape is > different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly > complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the vihuela has > just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places). > It might be expected that there would be some audible difference in > sound. > On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson > <[1]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated sound/recording > engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments > actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective > recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance, > may > even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the > necessary adjustments > MH > __ > From: Sean Smith <[2]lutesm...@gmail.com> > To: lute <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41 > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 > If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from > a > recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the > difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we > suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make > them more similar? > Sean > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin > <[1][1][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Dear ones, > I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: > Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of > the > pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). > -- Forwarded message - > From: Christopher Stetson > <[1][2][2][5]christophertstet...@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 > To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3][6]edvihuel...@gmail.com> > Edward, > Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? > Thanks, > Chris. > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin > <[3][4][4][7]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear ones, > My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and > Andrew. > Thanks > to all 3! > -- > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4][5][5][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. mailto:[6][6][9]christophertstet...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:[7][7][10]edvihuel...@gmail.com > 3. mailto:[8][8][11]edvihuel...@gmail.com > 4. > [9][9][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- > References > 1. mailto:[10][13]edvihuel...@gmail.com > 2. mailto:[11][14]christophertstet...@gmail.com > 3. mailto:[12][15]edvihuel...@gmail.com > 4. mailto:[13][16]edvihuel...@gmail.com > 5. [14][17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 6. mailto:[15][18]christophertstet...@gmail.com > 7. mailto:[16][19]edvihuel...
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Indeed, I agree. Which is why I put the similarity in sound down to
things other than how the two instruments were constructed - things
like the engineer, incorrectly and through ignorance, modifying the
sound so that the two instruments sound very similar.
Of course, it may be that NN had his viola belly constructed like a
lute ..
MH
__
From: SW
To: Martyn Hodgson ; Sean Smith
; lutelist Net
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2018, 8:24
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and vihuela
construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape is
different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly
complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the vihuela has
just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places).
It might be expected that there would be some audible difference in
sound.
On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson
<[1]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated sound/recording
engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments
actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective
recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance,
may
even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the
necessary adjustments
MH
__
From: Sean Smith <[2]lutesm...@gmail.com>
To: lute <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from
a
recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the
difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we
suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make
them more similar?
Sean
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin
<[1][1][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear ones,
I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is:
Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of
the
pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela).
-- Forwarded message -
From: Christopher Stetson
<[1][2][2][5]christophertstet...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2
To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3][6]edvihuel...@gmail.com>
Edward,
Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious?
Thanks,
Chris.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin
<[3][4][4][7]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear ones,
My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and
Andrew.
Thanks
to all 3!
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[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
My knowledge of instrument making is limited but lute and vihuela construction are somewhat different. Obviously the body shape is different but a lute has a very thin soundboard with a fairly complicated barring system. According to Alfonso Marin the vihuela has just two bars and a thicker soundboard (maybe 3mms in places). It might be expected that there would be some audible difference in sound. On 27 August 2018, at 07:21, Martyn Hodgson wrote: It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated sound/recording engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance, may even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the necessary adjustments MH __ From: Sean Smith To: lute Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make them more similar? Sean On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin <[1][1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of the pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). -- Forwarded message - From: Christopher Stetson <[1][2][2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3]edvihuel...@gmail.com> Edward, Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? Thanks, Chris. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin <[3][4][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and Andrew. Thanks to all 3! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6][6]christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[7][7]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[8][8]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. [9][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[10]edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[11]christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[12]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:[13]edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:[15]christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:[16]edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:[17]edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [19]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 11. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 12. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 13. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 15. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 16. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 17. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail Hidden links: 21. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail 22. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25407-9593TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
It may, of course, simply be down to a self-opionated sound/recording engineeer. Some of these seem ignorant of what period instruments actually sound like in the flesh and seek their own subjective recording 'balance' and tonal qualities. They, in their ignorance, may even think a viola da mano 'should' sound like a lute and make the necessary adjustments MH __ From: Sean Smith To: lute Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 18:41 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make them more similar? Sean On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin <[1][1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of the pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). -- Forwarded message - From: Christopher Stetson <[1][2][2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 To: Edward Martin <[2][3][3]edvihuel...@gmail.com> Edward, Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? Thanks, Chris. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin <[3][4][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and Andrew. Thanks to all 3! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6][6]christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[7][7]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[8][8]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. [9][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[10]edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[11]christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[12]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:[13]edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:[15]christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:[16]edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:[17]edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Virus-free. [19]www.avast.com -- References Visible links 1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 11. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 12. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 13. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 15. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 16. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 17. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail Hidden links: 21. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail 22. file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25407-9593TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Fair enough. On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Sean Smith <[2]lutesm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a >recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the >difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we >suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make >them more similar? I might conclude 1) that Nigel's taste in instruments leads him to own a vihuela that sounds like his six-course lute, 2) that Nigel has an ideal sound that he tries to get from both instruments, or 3) My ears aren't refined enough to detect the difference. The last seems unlikely, given the time I spend applying ear-refining lotion. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:lutesm...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
I have not heard this recording; from what I heard, the Vihuela is a small one tuned in a. If this is the case, and his lute is g, one ought to be able to distinguish between the two. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2018, at 1:21 PM, howard posner wrote: > > >> On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Sean Smith wrote: >> >> If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a >> recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the >> difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we >> suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make >> them more similar? > > I might conclude 1) that Nigel’s taste in instruments leads him to own a > vihuela that sounds like his six-course lute, > 2) that Nigel has an ideal sound that he tries to get from both instruments, > or > 3) My ears aren't refined enough to detect the difference. > > The last seems unlikely, given the time I spend applying ear-refining lotion. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
__ From: Sean Smith To: lute Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2018, 12:41 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2 Dear Sean Don`t worry, Don Quijote de la Mancha couldn't hear a difference either, back in 1615. When he listened to Sanson Carrasco playing in a forest he told Sancho: Pero escucha, que a lo que parece templando esta vn laud, o viguela, y segun escupe, y se desembaraça el pecho, deue prepararse para cantar algo. Best. Antonio If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make them more similar? Sean -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
> On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Sean Smith wrote: > > If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a > recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the > difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we > suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make > them more similar? I might conclude 1) that Nigel’s taste in instruments leads him to own a vihuela that sounds like his six-course lute, 2) that Nigel has an ideal sound that he tries to get from both instruments, or 3) My ears aren't refined enough to detect the difference. The last seems unlikely, given the time I spend applying ear-refining lotion. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
If we cannot hear the differences between the two instruments from a recorded performance, what conclusions should we draw? Is the difference more apparent when we are in the same room? Should we suspect they have been mixed (deliberately? inadvertently?) to make them more similar? Sean On Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 5:37 AM Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of the pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). -- Forwarded message - From: Christopher Stetson <[1][2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 To: Edward Martin <[2][3]edvihuel...@gmail.com> Edward, Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? Thanks, Chris. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin <[3][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and Andrew. Thanks to all 3! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6]christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[7]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[8]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel's Francesco vol 2
Thank you, Edward. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Edward Martin <[1]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, I was asked to provide the answer to the list, so here it is: Nigel plays on both kinds of instrument: approximately 2/3 of the pieces on lute; the rest on viola da Mano (vihuela). -- Forwarded message - From: Christopher Stetson <[1][2]christophertstet...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Nigel's Francesco vol 2 To: Edward Martin <[2][3]edvihuel...@gmail.com> Edward, Can you share the answer to the list, for the curious? Thanks, Chris. On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, Edward Martin <[3][4]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: Dear ones, My inquiry was answered, thanks to Steven, Steve, and Andrew. Thanks to all 3! -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[6]christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[7]edvihuel...@gmail.com 3. mailto:[8]edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 2. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 3. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 7. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 8. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
