[LUTE] Re: more Luciano
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009, Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu said: Once more let me admonish anyone thinking of ordering a lute from Luciano Faria - I am still waiting for my instruments - A fully-paid for theorbo and deposits on two other lutes that are all about three years late! The man has had considerable difficulty completing orders that one wonders if the brazilian legal system would consider giving him some business advice. It is possible he is overwhelmed by warantee repairs, it is probably he has over-contracted himself for new orders. Many high-level builders have years-long waiting lists, but it is not considered reasonable comercial practice to take deposits until you are ready to begin work. A maker with finacial difficulty could be temted to do otherwise, perhaps mumbling that he was a bit behind... Maybe someone at a US consular office could give you advice Mr Mayes, and others on the list. But before you go too far down that road, consider, if he is treading the line of fraud, it may be because he is on the edge of bankruptcy and has little choice. If that is the case, there wont be any money in the pool, and Luciano will no longer be a resource. In an ideal world someone would set him up with an administrator and an apprentice or two, give out numbers and start a waiting list; train the prentices to do scut work and get into a higher gear. He doesn't answer emails, phone calls, or (I'm thinking) smoke signals. he probably has so many he wouldnt get any work done, making more emails... Joseph, you have my sympathy, please understand, I just think the man is honestly overwhelmed; not every small business owner is good at the comerce side of things. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more Luciano
Here it is: Luciano Faria: 19-8121-9479 Good luck! 2009/8/2 [1]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us On Sat, Aug 1, 2009, Mayes, Joseph [2]ma...@rowan.edu said: Once more let me admonish anyone thinking of ordering a lute from Luciano Faria - I am still waiting for my instruments - A fully-paid for theorbo and deposits on two other lutes that are all about three years late! The man has had considerable difficulty completing orders that one wonders if the brazilian legal system would consider giving him some business advice. It is possible he is overwhelmed by warantee repairs, it is probably he has over-contracted himself for new orders. Many high-level builders have years-long waiting lists, but it is not considered reasonable comercial practice to take deposits until you are ready to begin work. A maker with finacial difficulty could be temted to do otherwise, perhaps mumbling that he was a bit behind... Maybe someone at a US consular office could give you advice Mr Mayes, and others on the list. But before you go too far down that road, consider, if he is treading the line of fraud, it may be because he is on the edge of bankruptcy and has little choice. If that is the case, there wont be any money in the pool, and Luciano will no longer be a resource. In an ideal world someone would set him up with an administrator and an apprentice or two, give out numbers and start a waiting list; train the prentices to do scut work and get into a higher gear. He doesn't answer emails, phone calls, or (I'm thinking) smoke signals. he probably has so many he wouldnt get any work done, making more emails... Joseph, you have my sympathy, please understand, I just think the man is honestly overwhelmed; not every small business owner is good at the comerce side of things. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 2. mailto:ma...@rowan.edu 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more Luciano
I googled the afore mentioned instrument order taker and found that you are not the only one. Check out the Classical Guitar forum, I think you will find the results both disheartening and interesting. I can speak only for myself but it would seem you are out the money so it is time for a bit of retribution. I would find myself a detective to locate the man and an attorney to sue his socks off, in fact a class action law suit may be even better. But that's just me and what do I know? http://www.delcamp.net/forum/en/viewtopic.php?f=11t=31290#p320980 - Original Message - From: Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu To: Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com; Orphenica wer...@orphenica.de Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: [LUTE] more Luciano Once more let me admonish anyone thinking of ordering a lute from Luciano Faria - I am still waiting for my instruments - A fully-paid for theorbo and deposits on two other lutes that are all about three years late! He doesn't answer emails, phone calls, or (I'm thinking) smoke signals. I am out thousands of dollars. I can think of no remedy for me, but I will keep sounding these warnings to all and sundry: DON'T DO IT!!! Joseph Mayes -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4297 (20090801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4297 (20090801) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
[LUTE] Re: more Luciano
Didn't someone post his current number not too long ago when you last posted about this? I'd search, but I am in the midst of migrating to a new computer and can't search my old emails. This is of concern to me too as I have an archlute of his that needs repair. He said he would repair it for free, but a lot of good that would do me if I don't get it back! Also, the cost of shipping is so much that I have been thinking of alternatives (but not doing too much about it, other than emailing the top lutenist here asking for recommendations). I think I mentioned that I had my Brazilian friend on Skype when I last called Luciano and he told me the recording said that that number was no longer in use. Right after posting that someone gave another number, but I didn't call it. Do you have it? Our community is too small to allow these things to be unresolved. Surely someone can contact him. On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:59 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Once more let me admonish anyone thinking of ordering a lute from Luciano Faria - I am still waiting for my instruments - A fully-paid for theorbo and deposits on two other lutes that are all about three years late! He doesn't answer emails, phone calls, or (I'm thinking) smoke signals. I am out thousands of dollars. I can think of no remedy for me, but I will keep sounding these warnings to all and sundry: DON'T DO IT!!! Joseph Mayes -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more Luciano
On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:37 AM, vance wood wrote: I googled the afore mentioned instrument order taker and found that you are not the only one. Check out the Classical Guitar forum, I think you will find the results both disheartening and interesting. I can speak only for myself but it would seem you are out the money so it is time for a bit of retribution. I would find myself a detective to locate the man and an attorney to sue his socks off, in fact a class action law suit may be even better. But that's just me and what do I know? http://www.delcamp.net/forum/en/viewtopic.php?f=11t=31290#p320980 That was an interesting thread. Results seem inconclusive. People do seem to eventually get their instruments. It is always the not knowing what is going on and no contact part that is most frustrating. If he would put a post on the lutenet or his site (does he have one?) explaining what has been going on, I think most would cut him a lot of slack. Personally, I don't think I'll risk sending my archlute all that ways. If only I was going through Vancouver I know Ray Nurse or Grant Tomlinson would be able to fix this thing up, not to mention any number of other luthiers all over the world. Unfortunately, I'll pay premium price here in Japan, I think. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
