[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Playing and sound are excellent Martin. My only suggestion is to make a PDF version of the pieces to allow instant universal access. I think this is easily done. I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html > Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Martin Shepherd wrote: > Thanks - that's a very perceptive comment which I have taken to heart, > despite the fact that the majority opinion seems to be in favour of > reverb. Perhaps we are so used to hearing commercial CDs with > compression, added reverb, etc, that we expect everything to sound like > that. The more I listen to the "uncontaminated" version, the more I > think I prefer it, but it does suffer from the fact that the microphones > are only .5m away and as you say, that affects one's style of playing. > > LGS-Europe wrote: > >> Martin >> >> I liked the ones without reverb, by far. The reverb sounds like you're >> in a >> big room but play behind a screen: all muffled and shy, not at all >> like the >> room acoustics would invite you to play! >>> I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now >>> includes >>> MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files >>> on my >>> recordings page and let me know which you prefer: >>> >>> www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm >>> >>> www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html Hello Martin, I couldn't find the MP3 recordings without reverb today (Saturday, Feb 9th, 2008) on the Piece of the Month section. Is it temporarily down? When recording with the Zoom H2, I prefer the 2-channel recording mode in which you are using both the front stereo pair of mics and the rear stereo pair of mics-- without reverb. (Note to someone who thought you could change the degree separation of the H2 internal mics: you can't. sorry.) I haven't tried the 4-channel recording mode-- I don't have software to generate the Surround Sound field from the 2 files the Zoom H2 produces in 4-channel mode. Are you using the AGC (Auto Gain Control) setting or the Mic Gain switch on the side of the H2? If you are using the Mic Gain switch, which setting (low, medium, or high) are you using? And what Record Level setting are you using? And finally, have you gone to: http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2007/09/13/review-zoom-h2-surround-recorder.html and added a note about your webpage at the Feedback (Post Comment) section at the end of page 5? Might be a good way to spread the word about the lute world. Who knows, it might even tempt Mark Nelson to do an article about lutes! Best Regards, Stephen. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Martin I entirely agree with David. I always think that engineers add reverb because they know that computers and even some CDPs and hifi have a barren sound. Perhaps, Martin people who have preferred the reverb version have listened directly through their computer speakers, or they have become so used to reverb engineered sound that they can't do without it. MP3, is already a very lossy format, any further treatment will loose even more information. As you say, the better solution is to play with the position of the mics, and perhaps also the angle, as I think the inner mics of the HD2 can be controlled to act as though they are at an angle. If you feel the room is to dry, it would be better to close the curtains, for example, to damp the sound a little. The difference between the two recordings, is clearly audible on my computer, even though I have a minimalist digital computer solution that only works alright for casual short time listening to short bursts of MP3. I would not think of listening to a whole record on it. I simply use an M-Audio transit card, that cuts out the computer's sound card, and the mains version of the small amplified JBL on tour speakers. I don't know how people manage to listen to complete recordings on i- pods, but then i can't use a mobile either. I admit to deep sympathy for the true dynamics of an old Nagra tape recorder, and a valve driven microphone. Having said that, and no doubt having been well and truly classed as as a fuddy-duddy, but I already was ... I think you are doing an excellent job Martin. I think it is a very good idea to have recordings of your lute models on your site(as Dan Larson does), both to show what your lutes can sound like, but also as education. Even though microphones and MP3 add their own quality, in a recent discussion on the French lute list, one owner of a Burkholzer declared he could clearly recognize the Burkholzer sound, on the Larson site, although his lute was an aechlute made by Gyorgy Lorinczi. I seem to remember, Martin, that at a recent meeting of the English lute society, which I unfortunately missed, you made comparisons of various renaissance lutes, almost in a blind test. I feel sure that "lute tastings" could be an excellent exercise, just to see how well we recognize the models across different lute makers, and different lute makers across different models. This is exactly the sort of education you can receive in wine- tasting; and we all agreed recently, on the French lute list, that the two might be happily combined (hic) to see what wine and dish would best go with what music and what lute model, a Hugh Johnson for the lute world ... Best regards Anthony Le 8 févr. 08 à 16:38, LGS-Europe a écrit : Martin I liked the ones without reverb, by far. The reverb sounds like you're in a big room but play behind a screen: all muffled and shy, not at all like the room acoustics would invite you to play! Just my two eurocents (which many shops already don't accept anymore, anyway). David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] piece of the month revived Dear All, I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Sorry I forgot about the accents, correction of the problem passage: This sort of change, losing an unaccentated syllable, is quite regular in many languages, so we get "Pava" through . This is basically the same process as the derivation of French "pere" and "mere", which are derived respectively from Latin "patera" & "matera" through AF &(the /t/ becoming a very loose [d] in the intermediary form , just as it does in English in American . would be also be a variant of (Padovana), but with a weakening of the pronunciation of the [v] between two vowels (as frequently is the case in Spanish for example). These are all systematic variations that can be found in many languages, and such processes are entirely regular and to be expected. AH Le 9 fevr. 08 =E0 12:14, Anthony Hind a ecrit : > This sort of change, losing an unaccentated syllable, is quite > regular in many languages, so we get "Pava" through . This > is basically the same process as the derivation of French "p=8Fre" > and > "m=8Fre", which are derived respectively from Latin "patera" & > "matera" > through AF &(the /t/ becoming a very loose > [d] in the intermediary form , just as it does in English in > American . -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
ic and diachronic phonetics, I can't keep quiet ... Le 9 f=8Evr. 08 =88 01:14, Lute a =8Ecrit : > Dear Martin, > > a couple of years ago a harpsichord player mentioned to me that the > Elizabethan name for the piece we are talking about - The Spanish > Pavan came > from it being introduced to English musicians by Antonio Cabez--n > when he > visited England in 1554-1555. He published the piece in one of his > keyboard > collections under the title "Pavana italiana" to confuse matters > even more. > > I have no idea if this is a myth or can be backed up by any evidence. > > All the best > Mark > > > > -----Urspr=9Fngliche Nachricht- > Von: Martin Shepherd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Februar 2008 23:54 > An: Are Vidar Boye Hansen; Lute Net > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived > > Dear Are, > > I'm not sure about the origins of the "Spanish Pavan" - I know > there is > an article by Diana Poulton in the LSJ 1961 but have not had time to > look it up. It seems almost like a ground bass, rather than a "tune", > but as with so many other pieces, it is hard to draw a line between > the two. > > I will delve some more into the archives > > Best wishes, > > Martin > > Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: > >> Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish >> vihuela piece? >> >> >> Are >> >> >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now >>> includes > >>> MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the >>> files on my >>> recordings page and let me know which you prefer: >>> >>> www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm >>> >>> www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Dear Martin, a couple of years ago a harpsichord player mentioned to me that the Elizabethan name for the piece we are talking about - The Spanish Pavan came from it being introduced to English musicians by Antonio Cabezón when he visited England in 1554-1555. He published the piece in one of his keyboard collections under the title "Pavana italiana" to confuse matters even more. I have no idea if this is a myth or can be backed up by any evidence. All the best Mark -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Martin Shepherd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Februar 2008 23:54 An: Are Vidar Boye Hansen; Lute Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived Dear Are, I'm not sure about the origins of the "Spanish Pavan" - I know there is an article by Diana Poulton in the LSJ 1961 but have not had time to look it up. It seems almost like a ground bass, rather than a "tune", but as with so many other pieces, it is hard to draw a line between the two. I will delve some more into the archives Best wishes, Martin Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: >Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish vihuela piece? > > >Are > > > >>Dear All, >> >>I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes >>MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my >>recordings page and let me know which you prefer: >> >>www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm >> >>www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html >> >>Best wishes, >> >>Martin >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Highly doubtful, on many accounts. For the vast majority of pieces, the vihuela had fantasias, tientos, intabulations, Canciones. Not dances (although, there are 1 or 2 dances). Besides, the melody to me sounds very, very English/Elizabethan. ed At 08:00 PM 2/8/2008 +0100, Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: >Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish vihuela piece? > > >Are > > > Dear All, > > > > I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes > > MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my > > recordings page and let me know which you prefer: > > > > www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm > > > > www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 2/7/2008 >11:17 AM Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Dear Are, I'm not sure about the origins of the "Spanish Pavan" - I know there is an article by Diana Poulton in the LSJ 1961 but have not had time to look it up. It seems almost like a ground bass, rather than a "tune", but as with so many other pieces, it is hard to draw a line between the two. I will delve some more into the archives Best wishes, Martin Are Vidar Boye Hansen wrote: Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish vihuela piece? Are Dear All, I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Dear David, Thanks - that's a very perceptive comment which I have taken to heart, despite the fact that the majority opinion seems to be in favour of reverb. Perhaps we are so used to hearing commercial CDs with compression, added reverb, etc, that we expect everything to sound like that. The more I listen to the "uncontaminated" version, the more I think I prefer it, but it does suffer from the fact that the microphones are only .5m away and as you say, that affects one's style of playing. I'm afraid I've just joined the club of which you are already a member (endless experimenters). By the way, Martin Eastwell is also a member of this club - I wonder what he thinks? Best wishes, Martin LGS-Europe wrote: Martin I liked the ones without reverb, by far. The reverb sounds like you're in a big room but play behind a screen: all muffled and shy, not at all like the room acoustics would invite you to play! Just my two eurocents (which many shops already don't accept anymore, anyway). David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] piece of the month revived Dear All, I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Is it possible that the Spanish Pavan actually is a spanish vihuela piece? Are > Dear All, > > I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes > MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my > recordings page and let me know which you prefer: > > www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm > > www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html > > Best wishes, > > Martin > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Martin I liked the ones without reverb, by far. The reverb sounds like you're in a big room but play behind a screen: all muffled and shy, not at all like the room acoustics would invite you to play! Just my two eurocents (which many shops already don't accept anymore, anyway). David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] piece of the month revived Dear All, I have revived the Piece of the Month feature on my site. It now includes MP3 files. No reverb added this time - compare them with the files on my recordings page and let me know which you prefer: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm www.luteshop.co.uk/recordings.html Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: piece of the month revived
Hi Martin, I personally prefer a bit of reverb, but admit it is a difficult thing to get right without spending thousands on a professional system. I think your recordings with reverb sound better - better separation, and more of the instrument's resonance comes through. Nice playing, again. Your website is waking up! Just my tuppenceworth. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
