Re: old SATA disks

2016-08-15 Thread Andrew Pam via luv-main

On 16/08/16 13:33, Colin Fee via luv-main wrote:

Does stuff ever come back?  Is it a library in the lending sense?


Occasionally it does, but more commonly it's a renewable resource. More 
stuff arrives to replace the things that people have found a use for.


Cheers,
Andrew
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Re: M.2 and SSD

2016-08-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan via luv-main


On 15/08/2016 9:49 PM, Chris Samuel via luv-main wrote:
> Sam McLeod (who did the awesome talk about building high performance storage
> for LUV last year) said to me (via Twitter):
> 
> # don't touch anything Samsung in our experience. Go Micron M600
> # or Sandisk Extreme Pro
> 
> He was pretty down on their firmware.   However, Peter Tonoli from unimelb 
> said
> he'd not had any issues with Samsung 850pro's, but he takes care to never run
> them over 50% occupancy.

The SSD endurance testing had the older Samsung 840 (I think) come out
on top.  All drives since around that time have been pretty good.

Samsung did have an issue with slow downs at one stage, which needed
special work to "restore" normal performance.

But that PC Perspectives guy really knows all this stuff much better
than me.  See that website.

http://www.pcper.com/subject/storage

http://www.pcper.com/users/Allyn-Malventano

And the torture test, way back in 2014...

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte

Cheers
AndrewM



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Re: M.2 and SSD

2016-08-15 Thread Julien Goodwin via luv-main
On 15/08/16 21:49, Chris Samuel via luv-main wrote:
> On Monday, 15 August 2016 9:38:00 PM AEST Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:
> 
>> And I just learnt that the flash used in most SSDs is pretty much
>> equivalent these days; however, Samsung has the best firmware/management
>> of the flash -- so it is the one to go for.
> 
> Sam McLeod (who did the awesome talk about building high performance storage
> for LUV last year) said to me (via Twitter):
> 
> # don't touch anything Samsung in our experience. Go Micron M600
> # or Sandisk Extreme Pro
> 
> He was pretty down on their firmware.   However, Peter Tonoli from unimelb 
> said
> he'd not had any issues with Samsung 850pro's, but he takes care to never run
> them over 50% occupancy.

Personally I'd either go with Samsung or Intel these days, nothing else.

I did pick up a SanDisk drive, and for whatever reason it was slow
enough at being detected that when I tried it in my laptop (Lenovo T430)
the system would fail to detect it from poweron.

Oddly that same drive is now in an L430 and working fine (although the
L430 isn't in UEFI mode, so possibly gives a bit more time for POST).

With Intel you also need to be careful about whether it's one of the
drives that has an Intel controller (which are fine), or one they
rebadge (less so).

I'm looking forward to the Intel Optane (AKA "X-Point") drives, but
they're probably not going to be cheap when they first come out, and we
should probably give them a year or two to work the early bugs out.
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Re: M.2 and SSD

2016-08-15 Thread Chris Samuel via luv-main
On Monday, 15 August 2016 9:38:00 PM AEST Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:

> And I just learnt that the flash used in most SSDs is pretty much
> equivalent these days; however, Samsung has the best firmware/management
> of the flash -- so it is the one to go for.

Sam McLeod (who did the awesome talk about building high performance storage
for LUV last year) said to me (via Twitter):

# don't touch anything Samsung in our experience. Go Micron M600
# or Sandisk Extreme Pro

He was pretty down on their firmware.   However, Peter Tonoli from unimelb said
he'd not had any issues with Samsung 850pro's, but he takes care to never run
them over 50% occupancy.

Samsung did manage to ship a firmware update 18 months ago that b0rked a some
peoples drives.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/after-samsung-840-evo-issues-now-the-850-pro-has-issues-too.html

cheers,
Chris
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Re: M.2 and SSD

2016-08-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan via luv-main

On 14/08/2016 12:42 AM, Russell Coker via luv-main wrote:
> https://etbe.coker.com.au/2016/08/14/ssd-m2/
> 
> I've just written a blog post that covers similar things to my talk about M.2 
> and SSD.
> 
> Apparently someone asked for my lecture notes, that wouldn't be useful but 
> the 
> above post probably will be.

You might find this interesting too:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express

And I just learnt that the flash used in most SSDs is pretty much
equivalent these days; however, Samsung has the best firmware/management
of the flash -- so it is the one to go for.

Also, with SSD, apparently when it writes data, it does an erase of the
storage space of 6MB and then writes 6MB per write operation; it was
likened to how CD/RW disks work.

The ex NSA guy at PC Perspectives does a lot of research in this whole
area.  Check out their website.

Cheers
AndrewM



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old SATA disks

2016-08-15 Thread Russell Coker via luv-main
There seems to be an ongoing demand for SATA disks from the hardware library.  
Does anyone have any to donate?  Even 80G disks get taken.

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