Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
2019/09/02 16:43 ... Karen Lewellen: everything from the poor quality of image and sound O yeah: I see, but in some of those pictures, I can only guess that the intended thing is actually shown, and first attempt often fails. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
That is amusing, the access page, as advertised, is supposed to mirror the app experience. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: The problem is amazon apps don't connect to the accessible page by default for login so far as I can tell. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:51:14 From: Thorsten Glaser To: Karen Lewellen Cc: Jude DaShiell , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified I don?t get a captcha there, only the cookie warning. But my past experience with audio captchas was: incomprehensible. (Not that the graphical ones are much better, though?) bye, //mirabilos -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Thorsten Glaser wrote: I don’t get a captcha there, only the cookie warning. But my past experience with audio captchas was: incomprehensible. (Not that the graphical ones are much better, though…) Which is largely why captcha is considered a barrier for many populations, not just those using adaptive tools. everything from the poor quality of image and sound, to language factors, makes other options, math problems, honey pots, etc., better solutions. They are even more secure according to test done by w3c members. Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Apparently amazon cell phone apps fail to detect screen readers running and take appropriate login actions too. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:42:31 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: Alejandro Lieber , lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > Oh I can top that > the sign in page has no alt tags letting you know where to place e-mail > address or password, and is 15 pages long with no functional links on almost > all of them. > > > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > If you can't get past the graphical captcha that accessible page is > > useless. > > > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:29:43 > >> From: Karen Lewellen > >> To: Jude DaShiell > >> Cc: Alejandro Lieber , lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >> > >> Jude, > >> Your comment about the cell phone is quite important, because amazon is > >> presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified > >> experience, stating it is comparative to the mobile one. > >> Alejandro, I echo Jude's question about the audio challenge, since others > >> here even without using a screen reader, cannot play it. > >> Likewise I take it amazon is accepting all of your lynx cookies? You are > >> not > >> getting the error requesting that you turn cookies on? > >> lastly, which ms dos are you running, and how did you install that edition > >> of > >> Lynx? My understanding was that there were windows binaries only, not dos > >> ones. > >> While I do not wish to make this about the use of screen readers, I am > >> interested if your experience differs from those reported by others where > >> this amazon issue is concerned. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> > >>> I'm sure it does, you don't use a screen reader though which means you > >>> have no trouble with the captcha. Have you tried playing the audio > >>> challenge and if so were you able to hear it? What's happening with > >>> lynx and amazon is also happening on cell phones too. I did a factory > >>> reset on the cell phone and accessibility won't be enabled until Staff > >>> comes over and turns it on for me. > >>> > >>> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: > >>> > >>>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 07:00:13 > >>>> From: Alejandro Lieber > >>>> To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >>>> > >>>> Karen: > >>>> > >>>> I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC > >>>> and 8 > >>>> MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great. > >>>> > >>>> Alejandro Lieber > >>>> > >>>> A port for MSDOS, by Ju?n Manuel Guerrero: > >>>> > >>>> "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP. > >>>> > >>>> ? DJGPP specific changes. > >>>> ? === > >>>> ? This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka > >>>> lynx2.9.0dev.4) > >>>> ? available as: > >>>> https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2 > >>>> > >>>> ? The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is > >>>> available > >>>> ? or not.? If LFN support is available then the original posix style file > >>>> ? names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used. > >>>> > >>>> ? The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using > >>>> iso-8859-1 > >>>> as > >>>> ? it is in the current code.? It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain > >>>> DOS > >>>> ? as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other > >>>> non-english > >>>> ? texts shall be displayed.? You can always select another character set > >>>> by > >>>> ? either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing > >>>> lynx.cfg > >>>> ? acordingly. > >>>> > >>>> ? The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
The problem is amazon apps don't connect to the accessible page by default for login so far as I can tell. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:51:14 > From: Thorsten Glaser > To: Karen Lewellen > Cc: Jude DaShiell , lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > > presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified > > I don?t get a captcha there, only the cookie warning. > > But my past experience with audio captchas was: incomprehensible. > (Not that the graphical ones are much better, though?) > > bye, > //mirabilos > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
> presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified I don’t get a captcha there, only the cookie warning. But my past experience with audio captchas was: incomprehensible. (Not that the graphical ones are much better, though…) bye, //mirabilos -- 22:59⎜ glaub ich termkit is kompliziert | glabe nicht das man damit schneller arbeitet | reizüberflutung │ wie windows │ alles evil zuviel bilder │ wie ein spiel | 23:00⎜ die meisten raffen auch nicht mehr von windows | 23:01⎜ bilderbücher sind ja auch nich wirklich verbreitet als erwachsenen literatur ‣ who needs GUIs thus? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Oh I can top that the sign in page has no alt tags letting you know where to place e-mail address or password, and is 15 pages long with no functional links on almost all of them. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: If you can't get past the graphical captcha that accessible page is useless. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:29:43 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: Alejandro Lieber , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Jude, Your comment about the cell phone is quite important, because amazon is presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified experience, stating it is comparative to the mobile one. Alejandro, I echo Jude's question about the audio challenge, since others here even without using a screen reader, cannot play it. Likewise I take it amazon is accepting all of your lynx cookies? You are not getting the error requesting that you turn cookies on? lastly, which ms dos are you running, and how did you install that edition of Lynx? My understanding was that there were windows binaries only, not dos ones. While I do not wish to make this about the use of screen readers, I am interested if your experience differs from those reported by others where this amazon issue is concerned. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: I'm sure it does, you don't use a screen reader though which means you have no trouble with the captcha. Have you tried playing the audio challenge and if so were you able to hear it? What's happening with lynx and amazon is also happening on cell phones too. I did a factory reset on the cell phone and accessibility won't be enabled until Staff comes over and turns it on for me. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 07:00:13 From: Alejandro Lieber To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Karen: I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC and 8 MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great. Alejandro Lieber A port for MSDOS, by Ju?n Manuel Guerrero: "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP. ? DJGPP specific changes. ? === ? This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka lynx2.9.0dev.4) ? available as: https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2 ? The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is available ? or not.? If LFN support is available then the original posix style file ? names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used. ? The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using iso-8859-1 as ? it is in the current code.? It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain DOS ? as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other non-english ? texts shall be displayed.? You can always select another character set by ? either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing lynx.cfg ? acordingly. ? The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable is ? set to a writable directory or it will refuse to start.? To alleviate this ? situation, if HOME is not set, the current directory will be used instead ? by this port version. ? The port has been configured using the configure script provided by the ? source package.? This means that neither old DJGPP specific scripts nor ? makefiles distributed by the package have been used.? A lot of the porting ? work has been invested in the DJGPP specific configuration scripts. ? This port has been configured to be compiled with BZIP2, ZIP and PDCURSES ? support.? This means that if you want to recompile the preconfigured sources ? you must have installed the following ports: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2apps/bz2-106ar2.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/zlb1211b.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/pdcur38a.zip ? The port has been configured and build without NLS support enabled. ? To enable this feature, the latest ports of libiconv and gettext must be ? installed: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/licv116b.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/gtxt201b.zip ? If you prefer NLS, then reconfigure the sources passing the nls flag to the ? config.bat file. ? The port has been configured with OPENSSL support.? OpenSSL support requires ? installing the WATT-32 port.? The following ports have been used: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/ssl102sb.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/wat3211b.zip ? No other versions have been tested.? To be able to use this program compiled ? with OpenSSL and WATT-32 a noise source must be installed.? A noise source ? can be obtained as: http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/noise063a2.zip ? If for some reason you decide to reconfigure the source package, then you ? will have to set the WATT_ROOT environment variable to point to the ? directory where the headers and the li
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
If you can't get past the graphical captcha that accessible page is useless. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 12:29:43 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: Alejandro Lieber , lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > Jude, > Your comment about the cell phone is quite important, because amazon is > presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified > experience, stating it is comparative to the mobile one. > Alejandro, I echo Jude's question about the audio challenge, since others > here even without using a screen reader, cannot play it. > Likewise I take it amazon is accepting all of your lynx cookies? You are not > getting the error requesting that you turn cookies on? > lastly, which ms dos are you running, and how did you install that edition of > Lynx? My understanding was that there were windows binaries only, not dos > ones. > While I do not wish to make this about the use of screen readers, I am > interested if your experience differs from those reported by others where > this amazon issue is concerned. > > > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > I'm sure it does, you don't use a screen reader though which means you > > have no trouble with the captcha. Have you tried playing the audio > > challenge and if so were you able to hear it? What's happening with > > lynx and amazon is also happening on cell phones too. I did a factory > > reset on the cell phone and accessibility won't be enabled until Staff > > comes over and turns it on for me. > > > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 07:00:13 > >> From: Alejandro Lieber > >> To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >> > >> Karen: > >> > >> I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC > >> and 8 > >> MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great. > >> > >> Alejandro Lieber > >> > >> A port for MSDOS, by Ju?n Manuel Guerrero: > >> > >> "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP. > >> > >> ? DJGPP specific changes. > >> ? === > >> ? This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka > >> lynx2.9.0dev.4) > >> ? available as: > >> https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2 > >> > >> ? The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is > >> available > >> ? or not.? If LFN support is available then the original posix style file > >> ? names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used. > >> > >> ? The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using iso-8859-1 > >> as > >> ? it is in the current code.? It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain > >> DOS > >> ? as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other > >> non-english > >> ? texts shall be displayed.? You can always select another character set by > >> ? either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing > >> lynx.cfg > >> ? acordingly. > >> > >> ? The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable > >> is > >> ? set to a writable directory or it will refuse to start.? To alleviate > >> this > >> ? situation, if HOME is not set, the current directory will be used instead > >> ? by this port version. > >> > >> ? The port has been configured using the configure script provided by the > >> ? source package.? This means that neither old DJGPP specific scripts nor > >> ? makefiles distributed by the package have been used.? A lot of the > >> porting > >> ? work has been invested in the DJGPP specific configuration scripts. > >> > >> ? This port has been configured to be compiled with BZIP2, ZIP and PDCURSES > >> ? support.? This means that if you want to recompile the preconfigured > >> sources > >> ? you must have installed the following ports: > >> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2apps/bz2-106ar2.zip > >> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/zlb1211b.zip > >> ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/pdcur38a.zip > >> > >> ? The port has been configured and build without NLS support enabled. > >> ? To enable this feature, the latest ports of libiconv and gettext must be > >> ? installed: > >> ftp://ftp.delorie.com
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Jude, Your comment about the cell phone is quite important, because amazon is presenting the www.amazon.com/access page for those wanting a simplified experience, stating it is comparative to the mobile one. Alejandro, I echo Jude's question about the audio challenge, since others here even without using a screen reader, cannot play it. Likewise I take it amazon is accepting all of your lynx cookies? You are not getting the error requesting that you turn cookies on? lastly, which ms dos are you running, and how did you install that edition of Lynx? My understanding was that there were windows binaries only, not dos ones. While I do not wish to make this about the use of screen readers, I am interested if your experience differs from those reported by others where this amazon issue is concerned. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: I'm sure it does, you don't use a screen reader though which means you have no trouble with the captcha. Have you tried playing the audio challenge and if so were you able to hear it? What's happening with lynx and amazon is also happening on cell phones too. I did a factory reset on the cell phone and accessibility won't be enabled until Staff comes over and turns it on for me. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 07:00:13 From: Alejandro Lieber To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Karen: I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC and 8 MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great. Alejandro Lieber A port for MSDOS, by Ju?n Manuel Guerrero: "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP. ? DJGPP specific changes. ? === ? This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka lynx2.9.0dev.4) ? available as: https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2 ? The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is available ? or not.? If LFN support is available then the original posix style file ? names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used. ? The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using iso-8859-1 as ? it is in the current code.? It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain DOS ? as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other non-english ? texts shall be displayed.? You can always select another character set by ? either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing lynx.cfg ? acordingly. ? The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable is ? set to a writable directory or it will refuse to start.? To alleviate this ? situation, if HOME is not set, the current directory will be used instead ? by this port version. ? The port has been configured using the configure script provided by the ? source package.? This means that neither old DJGPP specific scripts nor ? makefiles distributed by the package have been used.? A lot of the porting ? work has been invested in the DJGPP specific configuration scripts. ? This port has been configured to be compiled with BZIP2, ZIP and PDCURSES ? support.? This means that if you want to recompile the preconfigured sources ? you must have installed the following ports: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2apps/bz2-106ar2.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/zlb1211b.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/pdcur38a.zip ? The port has been configured and build without NLS support enabled. ? To enable this feature, the latest ports of libiconv and gettext must be ? installed: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/licv116b.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/gtxt201b.zip ? If you prefer NLS, then reconfigure the sources passing the nls flag to the ? config.bat file. ? The port has been configured with OPENSSL support.? OpenSSL support requires ? installing the WATT-32 port.? The following ports have been used: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/ssl102sb.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/wat3211b.zip ? No other versions have been tested.? To be able to use this program compiled ? with OpenSSL and WATT-32 a noise source must be installed.? A noise source ? can be obtained as: http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/noise063a2.zip ? If for some reason you decide to reconfigure the source package, then you ? will have to set the WATT_ROOT environment variable to point to the ? directory where the headers and the library reside.? This is: ??? set WATT_ROOT=/dev/env/DJDIR/net/watt ? To be able to run the program, configuration files are expected to be found ? at their canonical place.? This is the /dev/env/DJDIR/etc directory.? The ? configuration files lynx.cfg and lynx.css are stored in the /etc directory ? and reflect, to certain extent, the conditions during the configuration and ? compilation process of this port.? You may need to adjust the entries to fit ? your requiriments.? If lynx.cfg and lyn
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
I'm sure it does, you don't use a screen reader though which means you have no trouble with the captcha. Have you tried playing the audio challenge and if so were you able to hear it? What's happening with lynx and amazon is also happening on cell phones too. I did a factory reset on the cell phone and accessibility won't be enabled until Staff comes over and turns it on for me. On Mon, 2 Sep 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2019 07:00:13 > From: Alejandro Lieber > To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > Karen: > > I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC and 8 > MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great. > > Alejandro Lieber > > A port for MSDOS, by Ju?n Manuel Guerrero: > > "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP. > > ? DJGPP specific changes. > ? === > ? This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka > lynx2.9.0dev.4) > ? available as: > https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2 > > ? The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is available > ? or not.? If LFN support is available then the original posix style file > ? names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used. > > ? The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using iso-8859-1 as > ? it is in the current code.? It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain DOS > ? as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other non-english > ? texts shall be displayed.? You can always select another character set by > ? either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing lynx.cfg > ? acordingly. > > ? The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable is > ? set to a writable directory or it will refuse to start.? To alleviate this > ? situation, if HOME is not set, the current directory will be used instead > ? by this port version. > > ? The port has been configured using the configure script provided by the > ? source package.? This means that neither old DJGPP specific scripts nor > ? makefiles distributed by the package have been used.? A lot of the > porting > ? work has been invested in the DJGPP specific configuration scripts. > > ? This port has been configured to be compiled with BZIP2, ZIP and PDCURSES > ? support.? This means that if you want to recompile the preconfigured sources > ? you must have installed the following ports: > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2apps/bz2-106ar2.zip > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/zlb1211b.zip > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/pdcur38a.zip > > ? The port has been configured and build without NLS support enabled. > ? To enable this feature, the latest ports of libiconv and gettext must be > ? installed: > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/licv116b.zip > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/gtxt201b.zip > ? If you prefer NLS, then reconfigure the sources passing the nls flag to the > ? config.bat file. > > ? The port has been configured with OPENSSL support.? OpenSSL support requires > ? installing the WATT-32 port.? The following ports have been used: > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/ssl102sb.zip > ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/wat3211b.zip > ? No other versions have been tested.? To be able to use this program compiled > ? with OpenSSL and WATT-32 a noise source must be installed.? A noise source > ? can be obtained as: > http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/noise063a2.zip > ? If for some reason you decide to reconfigure the source package, then you > ? will have to set the WATT_ROOT environment variable to point to the > ? directory where the headers and the library reside.? This is: > ??? set WATT_ROOT=/dev/env/DJDIR/net/watt > > ? To be able to run the program, configuration files are expected to be found > ? at their canonical place.? This is the /dev/env/DJDIR/etc directory.? The > ? configuration files lynx.cfg and lynx.css are stored in the /etc directory > ? and reflect, to certain extent, the conditions during the configuration and > ? compilation process of this port.? You may need to adjust the entries to fit > ? your requiriments.? If lynx.cfg and lynx.css are not found at their > canonical > ? place then the program will try to load them from the installation directory > ? of lynx.? To run the program, a working version of wattcp.cfg is required. > ? This file is __NOT__ distributed with this port.? That file will reflect > ? your network environment and hardware.? It is the user's job write > one that > ? matches his environment.? As a starting point you can use the one > distributed > ? with the WATT-32 port.? Pl
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Karen: I use LYNX ver 2.9.0dev.1 in my MSDOS computer with a 40MHz Cyrix 486DLC and 8 MBy RAM and yellow Hercules monitor. Works great. Alejandro Lieber A port for MSDOS, by Juán Manuel Guerrero: "This is a port of Lynx 2.9.0dev.4 to MSDOS/DJGPP. DJGPP specific changes. === This port is based on the current develop code of lynx (aka lynx2.9.0dev.4) available as: https://invisible-mirror.net/archives/lynx/tarballs/lynx-cur.tar.bz2 The code has been adjusted to detect at runtime if LFN support is available or not. If LFN support is available then the original posix style file names will be used else DOS compatible ones will be used. The port will use cp850 as default code page instead of using iso-8859-1 as it is in the current code. It is clear that having iso-8859-1 on plain DOS as character set is useless as soon as spanish, german or other non-english texts shall be displayed. You can always select another character set by either setting the corresponding environment variable or by editing lynx.cfg acordingly. The current version of lynx requires that the HOME environment variable is set to a writable directory or it will refuse to start. To alleviate this situation, if HOME is not set, the current directory will be used instead by this port version. The port has been configured using the configure script provided by the source package. This means that neither old DJGPP specific scripts nor makefiles distributed by the package have been used. A lot of the porting work has been invested in the DJGPP specific configuration scripts. This port has been configured to be compiled with BZIP2, ZIP and PDCURSES support. This means that if you want to recompile the preconfigured sources you must have installed the following ports: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2apps/bz2-106ar2.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/zlb1211b.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/pdcur38a.zip The port has been configured and build without NLS support enabled. To enable this feature, the latest ports of libiconv and gettext must be installed: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/licv116b.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2gnu/gtxt201b.zip If you prefer NLS, then reconfigure the sources passing the nls flag to the config.bat file. The port has been configured with OPENSSL support. OpenSSL support requires installing the WATT-32 port. The following ports have been used: ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/ssl102sb.zip ftp://ftp.delorie.com/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/wat3211b.zip No other versions have been tested. To be able to use this program compiled with OpenSSL and WATT-32 a noise source must be installed. A noise source can be obtained as: http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/noise063a2.zip If for some reason you decide to reconfigure the source package, then you will have to set the WATT_ROOT environment variable to point to the directory where the headers and the library reside. This is: set WATT_ROOT=/dev/env/DJDIR/net/watt To be able to run the program, configuration files are expected to be found at their canonical place. This is the /dev/env/DJDIR/etc directory. The configuration files lynx.cfg and lynx.css are stored in the /etc directory and reflect, to certain extent, the conditions during the configuration and compilation process of this port. You may need to adjust the entries to fit your requiriments. If lynx.cfg and lynx.css are not found at their canonical place then the program will try to load them from the installation directory of lynx. To run the program, a working version of wattcp.cfg is required. This file is __NOT__ distributed with this port. That file will reflect your network environment and hardware. It is the user's job write one that matches his environment. As a starting point you can use the one distributed with the WATT-32 port. Please note that the location of wattcp.cfg must be specified by setting the WATTCP.CFG environment variable. This can be done either in the environment, in autoexec.bat or in djgpp.env. If the file cannot be found at any of the canonical places the program will try to load it from the installation directory of lynx. To be able to run the program, a DOS packet driver (PKTDRVR) is required. This may be obtained from the card manufacturer or from one of the archives of packet drivers (such as "http://www.lanet.lv/simtel.net/msdos/pktdrvr-pre.html; or "http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/pktdrvr/;). Even when only browsing local files, a NULLPKT packet driver is required like nullpkt.zip. The zip file can be downloaded as: http://www.jumpjet.info/Application-Software/DOS/Hardware/2/NULLPKT/NULLPKT.zip The lynx executable itself handles http:, https:, ftp:, file:,
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Thomas, Ian, Thomas I personally can do nothing whatsoever with the snapshop. because of how I use a computer, and the lack of pure dos compiles of Lynx recently, my only access to the browser, or to the internet in general comes via using ssh telnet to reach shellworld. Ian, if you choose to access this snapshot, can you test for improvements? I will likely have to wait first for its incorporation into a lynx edition, then to how these changes might be incorporated into shellworld before I try. Regardless I am reporting to Amazon, so a test of some kind will be helpful. Kare On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Thomas Dickey wrote: - Original Message - | From: "Karen Lewellen" | To: "Ian Collier" | Cc: "lynx-dev" | Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 4:35:43 PM | Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? | Well, that is most informative. | Indeed my problems with amazon, at least the cookie one started late | January. | I noticed a comment from Thomas that spoke of extending the date table. | Any idea when that patch will be ready? | Karen https://github.com/ThomasDickey/lynx-snapshots/commit/ef3a2a4583dd4f4667bd83d6e0b1fcbf837eac12 | On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Ian Collier wrote: | |> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 05:51:42PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: |>> Am I correct in understanding that the cookie that should be accepted has a |>> latter time than 2038, meaning it is being rejected perhaps creating part of |>> the issue? |> |> That is correct (and sorry I didn't see this message earlier). One or more |> of the cookies that Amazon uses during the login process has a date later |> than 2038, and Lynx is failing to store these cookies because of a bug in the |> current version of Lynx. |> |> My understanding is that this has only been a problem since the beginning of |> this year, because the cookies have a 20-year lifetime and therefore last |> year the date would have been 2038 and Lynx accepts that. |> |> imc |> |> ___ |> Lynx-dev mailing list |> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org |> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev |> | | ___ | Lynx-dev mailing list | Lynx-dev@nongnu.org | https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://ftp.invisible-island.net ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
- Original Message - | From: "Karen Lewellen" | To: "Ian Collier" | Cc: "lynx-dev" | Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 4:35:43 PM | Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? | Well, that is most informative. | Indeed my problems with amazon, at least the cookie one started late | January. | I noticed a comment from Thomas that spoke of extending the date table. | Any idea when that patch will be ready? | Karen https://github.com/ThomasDickey/lynx-snapshots/commit/ef3a2a4583dd4f4667bd83d6e0b1fcbf837eac12 | On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Ian Collier wrote: | |> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 05:51:42PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: |>> Am I correct in understanding that the cookie that should be accepted has a |>> latter time than 2038, meaning it is being rejected perhaps creating part of |>> the issue? |> |> That is correct (and sorry I didn't see this message earlier). One or more |> of the cookies that Amazon uses during the login process has a date later |> than 2038, and Lynx is failing to store these cookies because of a bug in the |> current version of Lynx. |> |> My understanding is that this has only been a problem since the beginning of |> this year, because the cookies have a 20-year lifetime and therefore last |> year the date would have been 2038 and Lynx accepts that. |> |> imc |> |> ___ |> Lynx-dev mailing list |> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org |> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev |> | | ___ | Lynx-dev mailing list | Lynx-dev@nongnu.org | https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://ftp.invisible-island.net ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Well, that is most informative. Indeed my problems with amazon, at least the cookie one started late January. I noticed a comment from Thomas that spoke of extending the date table. Any idea when that patch will be ready? Karen On Sat, 31 Aug 2019, Ian Collier wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 05:51:42PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Am I correct in understanding that the cookie that should be accepted has a latter time than 2038, meaning it is being rejected perhaps creating part of the issue? That is correct (and sorry I didn't see this message earlier). One or more of the cookies that Amazon uses during the login process has a date later than 2038, and Lynx is failing to store these cookies because of a bug in the current version of Lynx. My understanding is that this has only been a problem since the beginning of this year, because the cookies have a 20-year lifetime and therefore last year the date would have been 2038 and Lynx accepts that. imc ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 05:51:42PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Am I correct in understanding that the cookie that should be accepted has a > latter time than 2038, meaning it is being rejected perhaps creating part of > the issue? That is correct (and sorry I didn't see this message earlier). One or more of the cookies that Amazon uses during the login process has a date later than 2038, and Lynx is failing to store these cookies because of a bug in the current version of Lynx. My understanding is that this has only been a problem since the beginning of this year, because the cookies have a 20-year lifetime and therefore last year the date would have been 2038 and Lynx accepts that. imc ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Hi Ian, everyone,
Finally a moment to read the other comments here.
Am I correct in understanding that the cookie that should be accepted has
a latter time than 2038, meaning it is being rejected perhaps creating
part of the issue? I did note that the audio challenge is not working
and that even when properly solved the error still happens.
I am reconnecting with Amazon this evening, so wish confirmation that I
can share this discussion, and that my understanding is correct?
Thanks,
Karen
On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, Ian Collier wrote:
The year-2038 bug in Lynx appears to be in src/parsdate.y where it says:
/* See the LeapYears table in Convert. */
#define EPOCH 1970
#define END_OF_TIME 2038
So interestingly it will accept 31-dec-2038 even though that's after
32-bit day, but it does not acknowledge any year >2038.
This source file also contains a list of all leap years between the Epoch
and the 'End of time':
static const int LeapYears[] =
{
1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996,
2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036
};
I haven't really tried to parse the code in this function, but it seems
to me that most of the arithmetic could be done by mktime(3) these days.
imc
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 10:38:24PM +0100, Ian Collier wrote: > The year-2038 bug in Lynx appears to be in src/parsdate.y where it says: ... > I haven't really tried to parse the code in this function, but it seems > to me that most of the arithmetic could be done by mktime(3) these days. some of it. But extending the table to 2200 is what I'm doing for now, since it takes less time (ten minutes vs a few hours). -- Thomas E. Dickey https://invisible-island.net ftp://ftp.invisible-island.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
The year-2038 bug in Lynx appears to be in src/parsdate.y where it says:
/* See the LeapYears table in Convert. */
#define EPOCH 1970
#define END_OF_TIME 2038
So interestingly it will accept 31-dec-2038 even though that's after
32-bit day, but it does not acknowledge any year >2038.
This source file also contains a list of all leap years between the Epoch
and the 'End of time':
static const int LeapYears[] =
{
1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996,
2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036
};
I haven't really tried to parse the code in this function, but it seems
to me that most of the arithmetic could be done by mktime(3) these days.
imc
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Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
> Even with a 64-bit binary, it may be that some part of either Lynx > itself, or the libraries on that particular system, pass the date > through a 32-bit bottleneck at some point. True. I have seen systems on 64-bit hardware that nevertheless have 32-bit time_t, for example. (I relatively recently switched from 32 to 64 bits for time_t and tv_sec on my own systems, and it was, shall we say, an interesting experience.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Ian Collier wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 04:55:38PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > > Ian Collier dixit: > > >and moreover, the later 2039 ones caused the earlier 2036 ones to be > > >deleted. > > > Oh, do you have a system with 32-bit time_t? > > Well... no. This is x86_64 and the default size of time_t is 64 bits. > The Lynx binary is a 64-bit binary. I don't know how it was compiled. Be that as it may -- the 32-bit rollover hypothesis still seems strong to me. 2036 cookies get recorded, 2039 don't. Even with a 64-bit binary, it may be that some part of either Lynx itself, or the libraries on that particular system, pass the date through a 32-bit bottleneck at some point. (Yes, it could be caused by Lynx code even if someone else demonstrated not having this issue on *their* 64-bit Lynx: the date computation may at some point pass through a system-header-provided data type which for some reason is 32-bit on one build and 64 on the other.) >Bela< ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 04:55:38PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Ian Collier dixit: > >and moreover, the later 2039 ones caused the earlier 2036 ones to be deleted. > Oh, do you have a system with 32-bit time_t? Well... no. This is x86_64 and the default size of time_t is 64 bits. The Lynx binary is a 64-bit binary. I don't know how it was compiled. imc ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Anyone want to try a different user-agent string as a test and see if you can get through? On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, Ian Collier wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:41:25 > From: Ian Collier > To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 03:37:20PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup > > at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is > > concerned in general. > > It's not unique to you. I cannot see any way of getting past this screen > in Lynx without being able to view the image. The audio challenge simply > doesn't work at all. Incidentally, it doesn't seem to matter whether or > not you enter your password correctly on the first login screen. > > But even if I do view the CAPTCHA and enter the correct characters, > Amazon sends Lynx to the "please enable cookies" page. Now when I > look at the cookie jar, all I have is 'i18n-prefs=GBP' whereas there > are supposed to be at least 'session-id' and 'session-id-time' cookies > set; and indeed they were set before I entered the CAPTCHA. There is > also supposed to be 'ubid-acbuk', but this one was never present in > Lynx's cookie jar. I think the lack of this cookie is what is prompting > Amazon to say "please enable cookies". > > So I think there is another issue going on. Amazon is issuing some > cookies valid for approx 20 years and these are not getting stored > in my copy of Lynx. I think we may be suffering from a year-2038 > bug here. (This may vary with how Lynx is compiled. My copy is > the one provided by the Fedora 30 packagers on x86_64 platform.) > > Looking back in my Lynx.trace for Set-Cookie headers, I have something > like this (in reverse order): > > Set-Cookie: session-id-time=2197638836l; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Mon, > 22-Aug-2039 15:13:56 GMT; Path=/ > Set-Cookie: session-id=xxx-xxx-xxx; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; > Expires=Mon, 22-Aug-2039 15:13:56 GMT; Path=/ > Set-Cookie: ubid-acbuk=xxx-xxx-xxx; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; > Expires=Mon, 22-Aug-2039 15:13:28 GMT; Path=/ > Set-Cookie: i18n-prefs=GBP; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Tue, 01-Jan-2036 > 08:00:01 GMT; Path=/ > Set-Cookie: session-id-time=2082787201l; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Tue, > 01-Jan-2036 08:00:01 GMT; Path=/ > Set-Cookie: session-id=xxx-xxx-xxx; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; > Expires=Tue, 01-Jan-2036 08:00:01 GMT; Path=/ > > The ones dated 2039 never appeared in Lynx whereas the ones dated 2036 did; > and moreover, the later 2039 ones caused the earlier 2036 ones to be deleted. > > imc > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Ian Collier dixit: >and moreover, the later 2039 ones caused the earlier 2036 ones to be deleted. Oh, do you have a system with 32-bit time_t? @TD: perhaps lynx could, if sizeof(time_t) <= 4, map cookies past 2036 to INT_MAX so they will work… for a while longer. MirBSD/i386, with its 64-bit time_t, handles those cookies just fine. bye, //mirabilos -- This space for rent. https://paypal.me/mirabilos to support my work. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 03:37:20PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup > at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is > concerned in general. It's not unique to you. I cannot see any way of getting past this screen in Lynx without being able to view the image. The audio challenge simply doesn't work at all. Incidentally, it doesn't seem to matter whether or not you enter your password correctly on the first login screen. But even if I do view the CAPTCHA and enter the correct characters, Amazon sends Lynx to the "please enable cookies" page. Now when I look at the cookie jar, all I have is 'i18n-prefs=GBP' whereas there are supposed to be at least 'session-id' and 'session-id-time' cookies set; and indeed they were set before I entered the CAPTCHA. There is also supposed to be 'ubid-acbuk', but this one was never present in Lynx's cookie jar. I think the lack of this cookie is what is prompting Amazon to say "please enable cookies". So I think there is another issue going on. Amazon is issuing some cookies valid for approx 20 years and these are not getting stored in my copy of Lynx. I think we may be suffering from a year-2038 bug here. (This may vary with how Lynx is compiled. My copy is the one provided by the Fedora 30 packagers on x86_64 platform.) Looking back in my Lynx.trace for Set-Cookie headers, I have something like this (in reverse order): Set-Cookie: session-id-time=2197638836l; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Mon, 22-Aug-2039 15:13:56 GMT; Path=/ Set-Cookie: session-id=xxx-xxx-xxx; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Mon, 22-Aug-2039 15:13:56 GMT; Path=/ Set-Cookie: ubid-acbuk=xxx-xxx-xxx; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Mon, 22-Aug-2039 15:13:28 GMT; Path=/ Set-Cookie: i18n-prefs=GBP; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Tue, 01-Jan-2036 08:00:01 GMT; Path=/ Set-Cookie: session-id-time=2082787201l; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Tue, 01-Jan-2036 08:00:01 GMT; Path=/ Set-Cookie: session-id=xxx-xxx-xxx; Domain=.amazon.co.uk; Expires=Tue, 01-Jan-2036 08:00:01 GMT; Path=/ The ones dated 2039 never appeared in Lynx whereas the ones dated 2036 did; and moreover, the later 2039 ones caused the earlier 2036 ones to be deleted. imc ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
You are most welcome. As an extra ao3, www.archiveofourown.org is a fantastic site for hp fan fiction, for fanworks in general. They are committed to inclusion and rock in lynx. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Another potter fan, thanks for the link! On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:41:06 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Lots of places use the more inclusive math problems these days. My favorite though is the one at a site called darklordpotter.net. those use harry Potter related questions, which likewise show up in text. Do you mind doing one more test? go back again, and when you reach the non inclusive captcha, just hit enter on the button that would send the content. I am interested in if a, the site detects that the field is empty, or b, you get the cookie request message. Thanks, Kare On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: I got into the login with amazon and got that important message too. I have what I think is a pretty good .mailcap file so tried to play a challenge and nothing played. Fortunately I do not have an employer requiring me to purchase items from amazon otherwise I'd be in serious job jeopardy now. Cookies are enabled here too. Since this is the first time trying to do anything with amazon on this machine I'm going to see if it put a cookie on my hard drive. The Navy has people solve math problems and those come up on the screen in text and that works for them so amazon is without excuse. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:37:20 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? ..which is why I would appreciate a test. When I visit www.amazon.com A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after choosing proceed to checkout two things happen. first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not an option. Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, or if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is concerned in general. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 From: Karen Lewellen To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Hi everyone, Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies being accepted. Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking i am a hacker. Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has issues. Thanks, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- -- -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Another potter fan, thanks for the link! On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:41:06 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > Lots of places use the more inclusive math problems these days. My favorite > though is the one at a site called darklordpotter.net. those use harry Potter > related questions, which likewise show up in text. > Do you mind doing one more test? > go back again, and when you reach the non inclusive captcha, just hit enter on > the button that would send the content. I am interested in if a, the site > detects that the field is empty, or b, you get the cookie request message. > Thanks, > Kare > > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > I got into the login with amazon and got that important message too. I > > have what I think is a pretty good .mailcap file so tried to play a > > challenge and nothing played. Fortunately I do not have an employer > > requiring me to purchase items from amazon otherwise I'd be in serious > > job jeopardy now. Cookies are enabled here too. Since this is the > > first time trying to do anything with amazon on this machine I'm going > > to see if it put a cookie on my hard drive. The Navy has people solve > > math problems and those come up on the screen in text and that works for > > them so amazon is without excuse. > > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:37:20 > >> From: Karen Lewellen > >> To: Jude DaShiell > >> Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >> > >> ..which is why I would appreciate a test. > >> When I visit www.amazon.com > >> A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after > >> choosing > >> proceed to checkout two things happen. > >> first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says > >> Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your > >> password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not > >> an > >> option. > >> Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, > >> or > >> if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. > >> In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. > >> So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx > >> setup > >> at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is > >> concerned > >> in general. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> > >>> If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from > >>> you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's > >>> happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not > >>> doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. > >>> > >>> Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >>> > >>>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 > >>>> From: Karen Lewellen > >>>> To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > >>>> Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >>>> > >>>> Hi everyone, > >>>> Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions > >>>> of > >>>> lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? > >>>> Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies > >>>> being > >>>> accepted. > >>>> Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, > >>>> thinking > >>>> i > >>>> am a hacker. > >>>> Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has > >>>> issues. > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Karen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> Lynx-dev mailing list > >>>> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >>>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > > > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Yes, this happens at panix.com too you get prompted to enable cookies if you hit enter and leave the captcha field blank. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:47:53 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > Well, I have no access to those other tools, could never get edbrowse to work > here at shellworld. > I can say that elinks, produces the same issue though, although I remain > unsure if elinks even saves cookies. > My goal here, which you have actually surpassed by illustrating that the > audio challenge will not play, was seeing if the cookie error happened after > content was or was not added to the verification field. > Kare > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > Yes, amazon.com did leave a cookie in ~/.lynx_cookies > > At this point I shouldn't take this testing any further though I could > > throw eww firefox edbrowse and chrome at it to find out if any of them > > will play the challenge. If I were to do this and fail in every > > instance I'd conclude amazon isn't Linux-Friendly in addition to being > > less than blind-friendly. > > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:37:20 > >> From: Karen Lewellen > >> To: Jude DaShiell > >> Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >> > >> ..which is why I would appreciate a test. > >> When I visit www.amazon.com > >> A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after > >> choosing > >> proceed to checkout two things happen. > >> first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says > >> Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your > >> password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not > >> an > >> option. > >> Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, > >> or > >> if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. > >> In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. > >> So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx > >> setup > >> at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is > >> concerned > >> in general. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> > >>> If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from > >>> you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's > >>> happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not > >>> doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. > >>> > >>> Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >>> > >>>> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 > >>>> From: Karen Lewellen > >>>> To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > >>>> Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >>>> > >>>> Hi everyone, > >>>> Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions > >>>> of > >>>> lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? > >>>> Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies > >>>> being > >>>> accepted. > >>>> Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, > >>>> thinking > >>>> i > >>>> am a hacker. > >>>> Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has > >>>> issues. > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Karen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> Lynx-dev mailing list > >>>> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >>>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > > > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Well, I have no access to those other tools, could never get edbrowse to work here at shellworld. I can say that elinks, produces the same issue though, although I remain unsure if elinks even saves cookies. My goal here, which you have actually surpassed by illustrating that the audio challenge will not play, was seeing if the cookie error happened after content was or was not added to the verification field. Kare On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Yes, amazon.com did leave a cookie in ~/.lynx_cookies At this point I shouldn't take this testing any further though I could throw eww firefox edbrowse and chrome at it to find out if any of them will play the challenge. If I were to do this and fail in every instance I'd conclude amazon isn't Linux-Friendly in addition to being less than blind-friendly. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:37:20 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? ..which is why I would appreciate a test. When I visit www.amazon.com A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after choosing proceed to checkout two things happen. first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not an option. Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, or if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is concerned in general. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 From: Karen Lewellen To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Hi everyone, Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies being accepted. Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking i am a hacker. Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has issues. Thanks, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Lots of places use the more inclusive math problems these days. My favorite though is the one at a site called darklordpotter.net. those use harry Potter related questions, which likewise show up in text. Do you mind doing one more test? go back again, and when you reach the non inclusive captcha, just hit enter on the button that would send the content. I am interested in if a, the site detects that the field is empty, or b, you get the cookie request message. Thanks, Kare On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: I got into the login with amazon and got that important message too. I have what I think is a pretty good .mailcap file so tried to play a challenge and nothing played. Fortunately I do not have an employer requiring me to purchase items from amazon otherwise I'd be in serious job jeopardy now. Cookies are enabled here too. Since this is the first time trying to do anything with amazon on this machine I'm going to see if it put a cookie on my hard drive. The Navy has people solve math problems and those come up on the screen in text and that works for them so amazon is without excuse. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:37:20 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? ..which is why I would appreciate a test. When I visit www.amazon.com A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after choosing proceed to checkout two things happen. first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not an option. Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, or if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is concerned in general. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 From: Karen Lewellen To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Hi everyone, Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies being accepted. Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking i am a hacker. Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has issues. Thanks, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
I got into the login with amazon and got that important message too. I have what I think is a pretty good .mailcap file so tried to play a challenge and nothing played. Fortunately I do not have an employer requiring me to purchase items from amazon otherwise I'd be in serious job jeopardy now. Cookies are enabled here too. Since this is the first time trying to do anything with amazon on this machine I'm going to see if it put a cookie on my hard drive. The Navy has people solve math problems and those come up on the screen in text and that works for them so amazon is without excuse. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:37:20 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > ..which is why I would appreciate a test. > When I visit www.amazon.com > A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after choosing > proceed to checkout two things happen. > first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says > Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your > password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not an > option. > Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, or > if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. > In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. > So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup > at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is concerned > in general. > > > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from > > you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's > > happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not > > doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. > > > > Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 > >> From: Karen Lewellen > >> To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > >> Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > >> > >> Hi everyone, > >> Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of > >> lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? > >> Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies > >> being > >> accepted. > >> Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking > >> i > >> am a hacker. > >> Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has > >> issues. > >> Thanks, > >> Karen > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Lynx-dev mailing list > >> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >> > > > > -- > > > > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
..which is why I would appreciate a test. When I visit www.amazon.com A cookie is accepted right away. However when I sign in, say after choosing proceed to checkout two things happen. first, again after the cookie is allowed I reach a page that says Important message! To better protect your account please reenter your password and type the characters in the image below..which for me is not an option. Still, even if Amazon staff provide something for that verification field, or if I leave the field blank, I get a request to allow cookies message. In fact I cannot go forward until I turn on what is already turned on. So I am wanting to discover if this error might be unique to the lynx setup at shellworld, or if this is something Amazon is doing where Lynx is concerned in general. On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 From: Karen Lewellen To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? Hi everyone, Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies being accepted. Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking i am a hacker. Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has issues. Thanks, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
If the cookie complaint happens at login amazon expects a cookie from you. If it only happens during checkout, I don't know what's happening. I suspect based on your browser amazon thinks you're not doing cookie transactions with it and has that hard coded somewhere. Aug 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:03:08 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: "lynx-dev@nongnu.org" > Subject: [Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon? > > Hi everyone, > Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of > lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? > Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies being > accepted. > Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking i > am a hacker. > Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has > issues. > Thanks, > Karen > > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] lynx and amazon?
Hi everyone, Curious if anyone here has successfully used one of the updated editions of lynx to sign into, and complete an order at amazon.com? Lately I am getting a please turn on cookies error, even with my cookies being accepted. Further if I try more than once the site request authentication, thinking i am a hacker. Even the so called access site, the one for simplified browsing now has issues. Thanks, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
