Re: Lynx as primary browser (was Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize client area???)
I think this is a nice side effect to google optimization practices which are filtering down to web developers. I've long thought that googlebot sees like lynx, and perhaps there is now evident confirmation of this. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Seth House wrote: Lynx should (and does) keep up with modern standards, and I believe that web designers are moving toward more Lynx-friendly practices. If you need proof hit the new Disney Store UK or Chevrolet websites with Lynx: they're beautiful! http://disneystore-shopping.disney.co.uk/store/Home.aspx http://www.chevrolet.com/ Stef ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: Lynx as primary browser (was Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize
I know. I see the broad adoption of XHTML as a boon for Lynx since it facilitates more attention payed to document structure I hope you realise that IE doesn't support XHTML so most of the XHTML on the web is actually served as malformed HTML and therefore is not checked for well formedness by browsers, so there is believed to be an awfully large amount of not-well formed documents with purporting to be XHTML. In practice, until IE6 and down die, it would be better to serve HTML written against a subset DTD with no optional tags (however some legacy browsers may not like having explicit closing tags on elements that are always empty). (Actually, simply validating an HTML document is sufficient because the ommission of tags is only syntactic sugar and a validated HTML document has a well defined parse tree and can be converted into canonical form (and there are tools to do that).) XHTML is used more for fashion and to look good on CVs. Note that valid XHTML 1.1 will never work with IE because it is illegal to serve it with a text/html media type. IE will display valid XHTML 1.1 as the parse tree! ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: Lynx as primary browser (was Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize
David Woolley dixit: XHTML is a clean start and certainly isn't intended to be backwards compatible. It is. XHTML/1.0 and HTML/4.02(iirc) are the same spec, just one with XML constraints added. The proposed XHTML/2 is a joke, but XHTML/1.1 is HTML/5. XHTML 1.1 isn't backwards compatible, because there are no compatibility hacks Enough to please most browsers. and text/html can't be used as the media type. It can, see my other eMail. bye, //mirabile ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Lynx as primary browser (was Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize client area???)
Stef Caunter dixit: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surely, anyone outside the poorest parts of the World today has access to Firefox, Konqueror other graphical browsers, which display WWW pages as their authors intend them to be seen. FUD. * I design my web pages (e.g. http://mirbsd.mirsolutions.de/ ) to be optimised for Lynx and still look not too bad in Konqueror, and be XHTML/1.1 compliant. * The only browser faster than Lynx is Dillo, which is just broken. * Graphical browsers (especially Firefox(tm)) start _very_ slow and are _very_ ressource-hungry * Graphical browsers imply a GUI, which is not always what I have (e.g. when I'm sitting on a vt420, or lending me a shell at a friend's laptop, ssh to home, lynx, have my bookmarks and cookies and all) * Graphical browsers don't run in screen (I tend to kill my X by accident) Lynx still has important uses, but in limited contexts. No, Lynx is the primary browser for many people, including myself. I'm using it for about 98% of all websites. Links+ (in X11, with pics) for 1.8% of all websites and as image-viewer (Manga scans, e.g. www.narutofan.com has some), and Firefox(tm) or Konqueror, depending on which is there, for the remaining 0.2%. I think choice to have or not have indents is important; personally, I -dump out pages and have to :%s/^ // out the spaces in vi, and anything over 79 cols wraps, (small gripe). Funny enough, lynx -dump sometimes honours 80c and sometimes (eg. when run in an xterm or from midnight commander, don't remember) doesn't ;) But post-processing in jupp (joe-editor.sf.net) is easy too. But I won't see lynx marginalized here. For many people it is our primary browser for HTTP; no one's personal usage has a priori primacy in a universal context. The lynx browser is as useful as you choose to make it. And it's the only browser I know which supports * textfields-need-activation * navigation by numbering links and form fields * partial displaying with a threshold of 1 * a source view starting where in the rendered form of the page you're in right now * tables rendered in a way not trashing keyboard navigation when not using numbered * spawning $EDITOR on a form field (COOL!) I miss a few things, but I can live with it. And not one of these features I miss does a graphical browser give me. bye, //mirabile ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
