Re: LyX mailing list problems

[Mate Wierdl]

OK,

Máté
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 01:28:59PM +0100, Georg Baum wrote:
> Hi Mate,
> 
> gmane and the archives seem to have stopped receiving messages from the 
> users and developers list. Can you please have a look?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Georg

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Re: [PATCH] put Gui language definition in lyxrc

[Mate Wierdl]

On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:53:30AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and English all
> the time.

... and I often share the account with other people.  A typical
scenario: a colleague comes to my office, and wants to show me how a
certain thing is done.  Now which one is the File menu?

Máté

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Re: [PATCH] put Gui language definition in lyxrc

[Mate Wierdl]

In my case, I write (science stuff) both in Hungarian and English all
the time.

Máté
On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 10:33:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Uwe" == Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Uwe> In my opinion the setting in LyX's preferences should be taken
> Uwe> and the LANG setting ignored. 
> 
> I would strongly oppose to that in linux.
> 
> Uwe> This implies that I think it is a nice feature be be able to set
> Uwe> the language from inside LyX. This is also possible in many
> Uwe> programs I use and avoids that users have to fiddle around with
> Uwe> environment variables; for example about 90% of the Win users
> Uwe> don't know what an environment variable is and they usually also
> Uwe> don't know that they have to modify a batch file to set LyX's
> Uwe> menu language.
> 
> Where is this setting in word? In firefox?  99% of the users to _not_
> ever need to change this setting. You set the language at install time
> and you are done with it. The one example that Abdel gave is for
> translators. To be more precise, it would be for translators that
> translate in more that one language :)
> 
> I really do not think we need to add lyxrc entries for each and every
> feature that might be useful to someone. 
> 
> JMarc

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: DNS problems]

[Mate Wierdl]

Aregahegn,

Here is a manifestation of the problem I was talking about: some DNS
clients cannot find hosts on msci; in this case
wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu.  This is obviously a serious problem,
since people loose email.

Instead of waiting for the IT peoiple to fix the main dns server on
campus, we can easily have a fix if the cs dns server gets an msci A
and NS record as well.  Then the only thing the IT people have to do
is replace the old NS and A record for the msci dns server.

Thx, and happy holidays,

Mate


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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:15:27 +0100
From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DNS problems
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hello there,

Am I the only one who has problems sending mail to lyx-devel? I get
the following error message, but I can do a DNS lookup of locally on
my station.

Mate, do you know whether there are/have been DNS problems on your
site?

JMarc


From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
X-Sent: 6 minutes, 9 seconds ago

The original message was received at Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:46:21 +0100
from fantomas.inria.fr [128.93.11.34]

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550 5.1.2 ... Host unknown (Name server: 
wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu.: host not found)
Reporting-MTA: dns; nez-perce.inria.fr
Received-From-MTA: DNS; fantomas.inria.fr
Arrival-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:46:21 +0100

Final-Recipient: RFC822; lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.2
Remote-MTA: DNS; wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:47:23 +0100

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list outage: Feb 21-23

[Mate Wierdl]

Our network services tell us that the network for the whole campus will be
down Feb 23--and perhaps starting the day before.

I'll tell you the exact day when we get closer.  In any case, I will use
this time to retire this old server, and move the list to a new one (keep
name, IP, etc).  Presently, I plan the move Feb 21, Friday morning at 10
here (15:00 GMT). I'll send a message one hour before the move and another
message as soon as the tests after the move are completed.  The whole thing
should not take longer than couple of hours.

Mate

Re: irritating spam

[Mate Wierdl]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:20:27AM +1030, Darren Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 02:16, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:35:29AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > > > I actually have a line for that addres in my filters that catches both
> > > > the direct spam and the stuff that comes here.  The only address I've
> > > > been bothered to do that for (thouhg once I get a few minutes to
> > > > understand one I found that checks for 90% 8 bit high characters . . .
> > 
> > > Nevertheless, these mails are fairly big, so this is annoying...
> > 
> > I never notice the size, sitting on top of a fat connectio :)  

Well, the user's list does not get it because they have a 60K message size
restriction.

> > 
> > Oh, and unlike everything else which goes to a spam folder, his go to
> > /dev/null . . .
> 
> ... which gives him the pleasure of being copied from buffer to buffer,
> finally ending up in kernel space, only to then be dropped ...

Well, with qmail you just drop it on the floor---no copying. In any case, I
just put in a filter which does not allow attachments with .pi or .pif
extensions.

> 
> far more than he deserves!
> 
> Why not give him a reply from /dev/zero instead? ;)
> 
> Or convince him to connect to your credit-card details, cleverly
> disguised as the CHARGEN port of a kick-arse server? Tell him it's
> encrypted, and to get it he first has to download the *whole* file ;)
> 

Please do not do anything like that.  Remember, spammers/blackhats are doing
this full time, and they will win if you openly take it up with them.  

Besides, the virus is probably coming to you from an infected site, and not
from the creator.  Looking into the list archive, none of the copies of the
"bigboss" viruses came from the same IP.

The address [EMAIL PROTECTED] of course is a fake, and has nothing to do with
where the copy of the virus you receive is coming from.

> Notice how discussing the spam takes up more of our time and bandwidth
> than the original spam did? =)
> 

Yes.  But it is not a spam, it is a virus, and as such should be taken care
of by your ISP.  

Of course, there is an ultimate solution to the virus/spam problem on my
end...  Time is better spent perhaps discussing that.

Mate

Re: irritating spam

[Mate Wierdl]

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:41:18PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:35:29AM -0500, Dr. Richard E. Hawkins wrote:
> > I actually have a line for that addres in my filters that catches both
> > the direct spam and the stuff that comes here.  The only address I've
> > been bothered to do that for (thouhg once I get a few minutes to
> > understand one I found that checks for 90% 8 bit high characters . . .
> 
> Nevertheless, these mails are fairly big, so this is annoying...

All I can say is that I proposed a solution (tmda/qconfirm) numerous times,
but it was voted down.  Believe me, many of big boss' mail (and some others)
bounce to root, and since I want to now what is going on, I have to let them
bounce instead of discardind them---and they do annoy the heck out of me.

I'd like to mention that now sunsite.dk offers tmda and/or qconfirm
filtering for its list.  For example, it is used on the auctex list---not a
single spam or virus in the last month.

Mate

mailing list problems

[Mate Wierdl]

Lyxers,

Our University's network has some problems since 12/26, and hence the lyx
lists might have some problems in the next few days.  Sorry,

Mate

Re: a request

[Mate Wierdl]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 08:36:27AM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 01:53:31PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Some peopel have a hard time figuring out their sub address because
> > they do not know how to view the full headers under their mailers.
> 
> It is hard not to comment this...
> 
> > So I'd like somebody to put either a URL or the actual info on the
> > lyx.org webpage.
> 
> As long as there are no individual usernames on the page...

Why would there be?  In any case, I will compile the info, and then I'll
submit the URL here.  

Mate

Re: questions/remarks on the rpm

[Mate Wierdl]

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:49:38PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> | 1) 
> >
> | Instead of 
> >
> | %{_datadir}/texmf/tex/latex/%{name}
> >
> | in the files section, should not lyx be installed under
> >
> | %{_datadir}/texmf.local/tex/latex/%{name}
> >
> | More generally, should not the rpm get the TEXMFLOCAL variable from
> | the tex environment with something like
> >
> | kpsewhich --expand-var='$TEXMFLOCAL'
> >
> | and similarly (in case needed)
> >
> | kpsewhich --expand-var='$TEXMFMAIN'
> 
> Possibly, this is for the latex class files/styles that is in the lyx
> distribution, right?

Yes.
> | Is reLyX still needed?  It seems there is a builtin tex import in LyX
> | (which works pretty well).
> 
> yes, that is reLyX running...(behind the scenes)
> 

Then I do not understand why the line

# Fix reLyX perl program if the prefix is non-standard
if [ "%{_prefix}" != "/usr" ]
then
perl -pi -e "s!/usr/share/lyx!%{_datadir}/lyx!" \

%{_bindir}/reLyX
fi

Does not the standard installation take care of this?


> | 4) 
> >
> | Why is the line
> >
> | gzip -f9 ${RPM_BUILD_ROOT}%{_mandir}/man?/*
> >
> | Does not RH automatically gzips the man pages?
> 
> not on install?

Do not understand.  Rpm packages the man pages gzipped automatically.

> 
> | 5) 
> >
> | More generally: would not there be a possibility to use the
> | %_configure, %_make, etc macros?
> 
> Sure... can you dump be the info on those macros?

>From /usr/lib/rpm/macros:

# This is an improved version of %configure (from PLD team).
%configure \
  CFLAGS="${CFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export CFLAGS ; \
  CXXFLAGS="${CXXFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export CXXFLAGS ; \
  FFLAGS="${FFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export FFLAGS ; \
  ./configure --host=%{_host} --build=%{_build} \\\
--target=%{_target_platform} \\\
--program-prefix=%{?_program_prefix} \\\
--prefix=%{_prefix} \\\
--exec-prefix=%{_exec_prefix} \\\
--bindir=%{_bindir} \\\
--sbindir=%{_sbindir} \\\
--sysconfdir=%{_sysconfdir} \\\
--datadir=%{_datadir} \\\
--includedir=%{_includedir} \\\
--libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
--libexecdir=%{_libexecdir} \\\
--localstatedir=%{_localstatedir} \\\
--sharedstatedir=%{_sharedstatedir} \\\
--mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
--infodir=%{_infodir}

#--
# The make install analogue of %configure:
%makeinstall \
  make \\\
prefix=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_prefix} \\\
exec_prefix=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_exec_prefix} \\\
bindir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_bindir} \\\
sbindir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_sbindir} \\\
sysconfdir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_sysconfdir} \\\
datadir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_datadir} \\\
includedir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_includedir} \\\
libdir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_libdir} \\\
libexecdir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_libexecdir} \\\
localstatedir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_localstatedir} \\\
sharedstatedir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_sharedstatedir} \\\
mandir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_mandir} \\\
infodir=%{?buildroot:%{buildroot}}%{_infodir} \\\
  install

Please note

# The configure macro should be invoked as %configure (rather than %{configure})
# because the rest of the arguments will be expanded using %*.

Mate

Re: configure fails on redhat 8.0

[Mate Wierdl]

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:46:22PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote:
> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 11:39:02AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote:
> >> Jos? Ab?lio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> 
> >> | Hi,
> >> |  configure fails with this message:
> >> 
> >> and this is not rh-8.0 specific.
> >
> | How about this one, after running a plain
> >
> | ./configure
> >
> | I get
> >
> | ...
> | checking for a good enough C++ compiler... g++
> | checking for c++... g++
> | checking whether the C++ compiler (g++  ) works... no
> | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot
> | create executables.
> 
> And you checked what error in config.log that it actally failed on?

configure:3094: checking for c++
configure:3126: checking whether the C++ compiler (g++  ) works
configure:3142: g++ -o conftestconftest.C  1>&5
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure: failed program was:

#line 3137 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"

int main(){return(0);}

Mate

Re: configure fails on redhat 8.0

[Mate Wierdl]

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 11:39:02AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bj?nnes wrote:
> Jos? Ab?lio Oliveira Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | Hi,
> | configure fails with this message:
> 
> and this is not rh-8.0 specific.

How about this one, after running a plain

./configure

I get

...
checking for a good enough C++ compiler... g++
checking for c++... g++
checking whether the C++ compiler (g++  ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot
create executables.

No problem on RH 7.3.  The difference, perhaps

$ c++ -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
gcc version 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)

$ c++ -v
 Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/3.2/specs
 Configured with: ../configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man
--infodir=/usr/share/info --enable-shared --enable-threads=posix
--disable-checking --host=i386-redhat-linux --with-system-zlib
--enable-__cxa_atexit
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.2 20020903 (Red Hat Linux 8.0 3.2-7)

Mate

spellbug

[Mate Wierdl]

I have not seen anything related to this at bugzilla.lyx.org:

Put the cursor at the end of your doc.  Start spellchecking.  Then click on
stop spellchecking, move the cursor to the beginning of the file, and click
on start spellchecking.  Lyx crashes with:

lyx: SIGSEGV signal caught
Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the bug-reporting
instructions in Help->Introduction and send us a bug report, if necessary.
Thanks !
lyx: Attempting to save document /home/mw/Karcsi_bacsi/diffu.lyx as...
  /home/mw/Karcsi_bacsi/diffu.lyx.emergency
Save seems successful. Phew.

I have 

$ rpm -q lyx
lyx-1.2.1-2mdk

I'll file a better report if this is unknown.

Mate

filesize limit on the docs list

[Mate Wierdl]

There is a 60K filesize limit on the docs list; should I raise it?  If yes,
to what?

Mate

web archive at marc

[Mate Wierdl]

OK, so I made sure the appropriate messages are going to this new 
web archive, and I see the devel, doc  and users list's messages appearing.

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-devel&r=1&b=200206&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-docs&r=1&b=200206&w=2
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-users&r=1&b=200206&w=2

But the announce and fr lists have not appeared yet.

Also, I tarred up the archives for each list, and put them on the
web so that marc's maintainer should populate the web archive shortly.
He has not responded to my mesage yet, though.

Mate

tmda test list

[Mate Wierdl]

OK, I have set up the list

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

which uses tmda.  Here is what happens when you post a message to the
list:

if you are a subscriber, it just lets you post

if you are not a subscriber, it will ask you for a confirmation, and
when you confirm, your message gets posted _and_ your address is
automatically added to a whitelist.  This means that from that point
on, you can post messages without confirmation.

Those who want to test it:

1) Subscribe to the list.  This means send a message to 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Unix, just run

echo | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Once you confirmed your subscription

2) Send a message to the list; on Unix

echo test1 | mail -s test1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You (and all other subscribers) should receive your post without
problems.

3) Now unsub from the list:

echo | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Once you confirmed your unsubscription

4) Send a message to the list

echo test2 | mail -s test2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You should get a confirmation request from TMDA.

Once you confirm, you should get a notification that your message has
been delivered to the list.

5) Now send a message to the list again:

echo test3 | mail -s test3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You should not get any messages since your address is now
whitelisted---but of course the subscribers can read your message.

Mate

Ignore: test

[Mate Wierdl]

Sorry,

Mate

Re: OT: still spam/virus

[Mate Wierdl]

On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 07:40:27PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | Here is the plan now:
> >
> | 1)  I will set up a filter that will filter out mail with certain
> | file extensions.  Do people send here .zip files?   
> 
> seldom... but with more windows users.. I don't know.
>  
> | 2) I will set up two testlists: one with TMDA, the other one 
> |with moderation (only nonsubscribers mail to be moderated).
> 
> So moderation the way I mentioned is not possible?

It is, but it is not built into ezmlm.  At least if I understood you
correctly: you want each message coming from non subscribers to be
moderated, and if a poster is approved, say, 4 times, then allow
through w/o moderation.

What is readily available: a moderator can decide to subscribe a
sender to the "allow" database, and then from that point on, the
sender is allowed to post to the list without moderation.

But I think moderation is a pain---TMDA does it automatically.  

BTWY, yesterday and today 3 messages addressed to lyx-users with
Klez in them were caught by the "no greater than 60K" rule.

Since the senders were unknown, the messages were bounced back to
root.  See them at

http://www.csi.hu/mw/1020475760.15065_1.moni:2,S
http://www.csi.hu/mw/1020475770.15065_3.moni:2,S
http://www.csi.hu/mw/1020475776.15065_5.moni:2,S

Mate
I guess I need to speed up with this virus protection.

OT: still spam/virus

[Mate Wierdl]

Here is the plan now:

1)  I will set up a filter that will filter out mail with certain
file extensions.  Do people send here .zip files?   

2) I will set up two testlists: one with TMDA, the other one 
   with moderation (only nonsubscribers mail to be moderated).
   
I cannot do this today or in the weekend, but they should be
set up by Tuesday.  Then I will send a more detailed message about
them.  We'll try the two lists for a few days, and you will decide
which one is the way to go.

Mate

Re: big message handling

[Mate Wierdl]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 08:12:04PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:11:24AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> >> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> 
> >> | Probably a better solution  than I proposed is sending a too big
> >> | message to a special address/list.
> >> 
> >> imho all changes that are intrusivve on the usage of the lists are bad.
> >
> | Sending big files to the list is intrusive for some users (including
> | some developers).  
> 
> Changes that limit developers just since we want to avoid spam or
> virii is not good.
> 
> I do not put size limitation in that category.

I do not understand what you are saying.  Your first sentence says 

> Changes that limit developers just since we want to avoid spam or
> virii is not good.

and this is a response to my sentence that claims the problem with big
files is that for some people takes a long time to download them since
they are behind a slow network connection. 

Then you say

> I do not put size limitation in that category.

Which category? The category of "changes that limit developers just 
to avoid spam" ?  Perhaps you are referring to one of my earlier
comments pointing out that size limitations in the range proposed will
not have effect on viruses.  But the size limitation proposal has
nothing to do with that: I proposed it because of some complaints from
people behind modems.

> 
> | So far, I have two votes: one says, forget size limitation, the other
> | have it.
> 
> I that is my vote, then you are not listening.
> 

Again, please tell me which outcome of the vote you are referring to.

> >> are sure you cannot plug in procmaqiø somewhere and do some super
> >> simple filtering?
> >
> | Can you tell me what filter will filter out future spam/virus and is
> | nonintrusive to the users?  We are talking about now about 100 spams a
> | day arriving to the lyx lists...
> 
> Tell me _any_ filter that will filter any/all problematic mails that does
> not exist yet...

Exactly my point.  Why make up procmail receipes for spam that arrived
yesterday, when I have no idea what will be in today's spam?  People
recognized this problem long ago, hence they started RBL: instead of
filtering individual messages based on content, filter out messages
based on origin (server IP address, not sender address!).  Because
research showed that while the contents of messages varies a great
deal, the origin of messages tend to show pattern.  This method seems
to filter out the great majority of spam.  But spam is a booming
business, and filtering out 99% of spam still may mean a considerable
amount.

So the idea is now instead of allowing all mail in which is not
explicitly blocked, people instead block all mail except those which
are explicitly allowed.  

In parctice, this means that if you send a mail to me, the mail is not
put into my mailbox immediately.  Instead, you get a confirmation
request, and if you reply to it, the mail gets delivered to my mailbox.

Of course, there is a possibility to maintain a whitelist: list of
addresses whose mail is put in my mailbox immediately without
confirmation.

Further, one can set up automatic whitelisting: if somebody sent _and_
confirmed a mail sent to me, her address is put in the whitelist.

Since spammers practically never confirm their mail, this
auto-whitelisting eliminates spam.  

Unfortunately, viruses can come from whitelisted addresses...  To
eliminate viruses, every message would have to be confirmed---not
practical for the lyx lists, though some lists use this method, and
yet other lists use moderation.

> 
> 100 a day?

In fact, 109 yesterday.  

> 
> Your are kindo switching positions in this discussion...
> 

Lars, you need to start talking much more clearly, because I have no
idea what you are referring to.

My position is that I will do whatever is convenient for the lyx
lists. But I am not going to implement measures that 

-- would require commercial software

-- have been proven ineffective (contents based filtering to reduce
   spam)
   
Mate

Re: Japanese lass' sexy pictures / Please remove

[Mate Wierdl]

On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:14:45PM +0900, R. Lahaye wrote:
> Has someone permission to access the mailinglist archive and
> actually delete arrived emails that should not be there?

The webarchive hosts 2929 lists and it has 4922544 messages in it.
Only one person has access to it, and it is an explicit policy of the
archive that they will not change the messages in there.  I understand 
why.

Mate

Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu] failure notice

[Mate Wierdl]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:13:53AM -0700, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:08:40AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> > Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > | So then removing attachments is just snakeoil: viruses are
> > | application/octet-stream.
> > 
> > Doeas all virii use octet-stream? I think not.
> > 
> > | As for size restriction: it is again snakeoil with the proposed limits:
> > | Klez is 120K.
> > 
> > Did you do this only for the mis-benefit of klez?
> > 
> > btw. filtering is the only way to be somewhat sure.
> 
> Yes. Filtering is the only sure way.

Yes, here is how filtering works

1 I get a spam
2 I create a receipe which will block this spam
3 goto 1

In particular, filtering is retroactive.

Please note that about two percent of all spam addressed to the lyx
lists get actually sent to list members. Two percent, unfortunately,
means at least one a day---would be tolerable perhaps, but some are
viruses.  And in 6 months, 2% may mean 10 a day.  

> 
> Excerpts from my procmail recipes (the last one kills klez):
> 

Please show me the receipe that will stop tomorrow's new spam written in
Spanish, Chinese, Korean, Turkish.  

Seriously, where do you guys get these laws "Filtering is the only
sure way" and "filtering is the only way to be somewhat sure" ?

Presently the only "almost" sure thing is that the sender of a
spam/virus will not reply to the proper address of a confirmation
request.

> :0
> * Content-Type: (text/html)|(multipart/alternative)|(multipart/mixed)
> * B ?? TVqQAAMEA
> /dev/null
> 

Can you think of a legitimate message that will be stopped by this
receipe?  

How many spams do you recommend for me to read/analyze each day, and
how many receipes do you recommend for me to create each day?

Mate

Re: big message handling

[Mate Wierdl]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:11:24AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | Probably a better solution  than I proposed is sending a too big
> | message to a special address/list.
> 
> imho all changes that are intrusivve on the usage of the lists are bad.

Sending big files to the list is intrusive for some users (including
some developers).  

I really need input on this: should I then just drop the size
limitation?  But perhaps the lyx webpage on mailing lists could ask 
users to be considerate, and put big files on the web instead of
sending them.

So far, I have two votes: one says, forget size limitation, the other
have it.

> 
> are sure you cannot plug in procmaqiø somewhere and do some super
> simple filtering?

Can you tell me what filter will filter out future spam/virus and is
nonintrusive to the users?  We are talking about now about 100 spams a
day arriving to the lyx lists...

Mate

Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu] failure notice

[Mate Wierdl]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 09:08:40AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | So then removing attachments is just snakeoil: viruses are
> | application/octet-stream.
> 
> Doeas all virii use octet-stream? I think not.
> 
> | As for size restriction: it is again snakeoil with the proposed limits:
> | Klez is 120K.
> 
> Did you do this only for the mis-benefit of klez?
> 

Posing size restiction is reasonable because of people behind
slow network access.  

> btw. filtering is the only way to be somewhat sure.

Of what?  

Mate

big message handling

[Mate Wierdl]

Probably a better solution  than I proposed is sending a too big
message to a special address/list.

Mate

Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu] failure notice

[Mate Wierdl]

So then removing attachments is just snakeoil: viruses are
application/octet-stream.

As for size restriction: it is again snakeoil with the proposed limits:
Klez is 120K.

On the other hand, I see people happily sending 300+K attachments (eps
files, say, with no compression) regularly on the users list.  On the
devel list people are sending core files as attachments (2.5M)!  The
largest file on the devel list is 3.5M (a diff.gz file).  The largest
file on the users list is 1.5M---a pdf file.  

People behind a modem will agonize over these.  Email is certainly not
a file distribution medium, and most people do not care about these 
enormous attachments.

Also note that a 1M message sent to the users list means 465M on my
server---since there are 465 subscribers there.

One solution would be to ask people to post big files somewhere on
their server, and then send only the URL to the list.

But some people may not be able to do this (as was indicated on the
users list).  So I could set up a "bigfile" list, and people would send
their too big messages there.  

Or I can imagine to set up an address so that it would automatically
post the body on the web, and send the URL back to sender.  This
would mean though sending big files inline

mail -s"big.eps" [EMAIL PROTECTED] < big.eps

Perhaps I could handle attachments, if I find a suitable mime-slicer.

But I do not see virus or spam decreasing from these measures.

Mate

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 11:42:18PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> 
> As you can see from this bounced message, the rules are now to harsh.
[...]

> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-="

> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | I just set up all lists so that the following MIME types are
> | removed, and if a message contains nothing else, it will be rejected:
> 
> | application/octet-stream
> 
> Isn't this often used for sending files containg non-ascii characters?
> Or just files that does not have a recognized extension.
> 


> 
> 
> | application/x-cpio
> 
> should be allowed
> 
> | application/x-csh
> 
> ditto
> 
> | image/tiff
> 
> ditto
> 
> | image/x-portable-anymap
> | image/x-portable-bitmap
> | image/x-portable-graymap
> | image/x-portable-pixmap
> 
> and these
> 
> | image/x-xbitmap
> | image/x-xpixmap
> | image/x-xwindowdump
> 
> and these
> 
> | There is also a possibility that a message containing these kinds of
> | attachments are simply rejected.  Which option is better (I think the
> | latter).
> >
> | Also, I think it is a good idea to pose an upper limit on message size.
> | What should it be?  Is 30,000 bytes good on all lists, but 300,000 on
> | the devel list?
> 
> 30k is not much..., perhaps double it?
> 
> and the devel list will perhaps be ok with 300k, but I guess that the
> subscribers will get a mail telling that the message is oversized? We
> can enlarge the limit if it is needed.
> 
> -- 
>   Lgb

attachments policy

[Mate Wierdl]

I just set up all lists so that the following MIME types are
removed, and if a message contains nothing else, it will be rejected:

application/excel
application/rtf
application/msword
application/ms-tnef
text/html
text/rtf
text/enriched
text/x-vcard
application/activemessage
application/andrew-inset
application/applefile
application/atomicmail
application/dca-rft
application/dec-dx
application/mac-binhex40
application/mac-compactpro
application/macwriteii
application/news-message-id
application/news-transmission
application/octet-stream
application/oda
application/powerpoint
application/remote-printing
application/slate
application/wita
application/wordperfect5.1
application/x-bcpio
application/x-cdlink
application/x-cpio
application/x-csh
application/x-director
application/x-hdf
application/x-httpd-cgi
application/x-koan
application/x-mif
application/x-netcdf
application/x-stuffit
application/x-sv4cpio
application/x-sv4crc
application/x-tcl
application/x-texinfo
application/x-troff
application/x-troff-man
application/x-troff-me
application/x-troff-ms
application/x-ustar
application/x-wais-source
audio/basic
audio/mpeg
audio/x-aiff
audio/x-pn-realaudio
audio/x-pn-realaudio
audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin
audio/x-realaudio
audio/x-wav
image/ief
image/tiff
image/x-cmu-raster
image/x-portable-anymap
image/x-portable-bitmap
image/x-portable-graymap
image/x-portable-pixmap
image/x-rgb
image/x-xbitmap
image/x-xpixmap
image/x-xwindowdump
text/x-sgml
video/mpeg
video/quicktime
video/x-msvideo
video/x-sgi-movie
x-conference/x-cooltalk
x-world/x-vrml

There is also a possibility that a message containing these kinds of
attachments are simply rejected.  Which option is better (I think the
latter).

Also, I think it is a good idea to pose an upper limit on message size.
What should it be?  Is 30,000 bytes good on all lists, but 300,000 on
the devel list?

Mate

Re: viruses

[Mate Wierdl]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 08:03:55PM -0400, Brett Dikeman wrote:
> -dump all attachments before they go to the list management 
> software's alias.  

The above is a drastic solution.  Certainly not suitable for the devel
list, but looking through the user's list archive, I would not
implement it there either.

"demime" is one good script for doing so, very 
> easy to install.  Attachments shouldn't be allowed on large lists 
> anyway; this isn't the development list, so attachments are simply 
> not necessary nor appropriate, particularly in this day and age where 
> webservers are dime a dozen.  People should never send attachments, 
> they should reference URLs.  99% of the attachments that drift by 
> have absolutely no use to me...and posting attachments is completely 
> useless to people reading the archives a week, month, year later. 
> URLs, if they link to some place stable, at least have a fighting 
> chance.

Note that some mail software are set up by default to forward other
people's mail as attachments.  Some MUAs are set up to send all mail as
attachments.  

In any case, I will implement the removal of _certain_ MIME types.  If
a message is left without any body after the removal, the message will
be rejected.

I have to see about virus protection; I will not install commercial
products on my computers.  

The comprehensive solution would be TMDA:

http://software.libertine.org/tmda/

It is a very heavily tried/used product (I also use it).  I was
suggesting to use it with automatic whitelist: a first time poster to
a list will have to send a confirmation, but then the sender address
will be whitelisted, and no confirmation will be required for
subsequent posts.  

Mate

Re: viruses

[Mate Wierdl]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 08:03:55PM -0400, Brett Dikeman wrote:
> It is exactly your attitude that makes 
> this whole problem even worse; yeah, it's not our platform, yeah, 
> people should run antivirus software...but you're in denial if you 
> think ignoring it is going to solve anything.

You are grossly misinformed.  Why do not you look at

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel%40lists.lyx.org/msg37283.htm

and the thread starting with 

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org/msg30438.html

The proposed method would also eliminate viruses...  At the time, it
did not look timely to implement it, though.

> -run antivirus software.  amavis is one package, but it acts only as 
> an interface to a scanner(see amavis.org)  Some products, like Trend 
> Interscan, already have mail scanning capabilities.  No Linux/unix 
> virus scaning engines are available for free, non-personal use, 
> however.  None of the good ones result in false positives(NONE.  I've 
> used Trend for 2 years now and NEVER had a false positive.)

Funny that you are trying to promote non-free software on a list for 
free software.  Please, do not.  

Let me reiterate: I do feel responsible for making discussions on the 
LyX lists as pleasant as possible, and I am doing everything to
achieve this.  But if people accuse me of ruining their computer, it
needs pointing out that the average message hops through 9 mail
servers from sender to receiver.  My server is only one of them.  So
if you send me an angry note, please also send one to each of the
other 8 postmasters starting with your ISP's.

Please take spam/virus discussions to the list set up for this purpose:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mate

spam list

[Mate Wierdl]

I just set up a list to discuss spam prevention on the 
list.  It is

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To subscribe, send a message to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mate

viruses

[Mate Wierdl]

Lately, I received emails such as

"I received a lot viruses from the lyx users list, and now my 
windows partition is ruined."

I am truly sorry to hear this, but:

--- The virus _never_ originates from my server (the server is a Linux
server, and there are no other users but lyx (me)).  The path of a
virus is either:

-- virus is directly sent to the list

-- virus is sent to one of the subscribers, and then sends itself to
   every address in the subscriber's addressbook. Since the lyx list
   is in the addressbook, the list receives the virus.
   

--- If you want virus prevention via filters, you may want to
implement it on your end.  It is much less riskier than
implementing it on my end.  Indeed, I do not know of any filters
that would not do false positives.  

If you implement it, make sure the message containing a virus is not
bounced back to sender but simply discarded.

--- I certainly want to make list participation as pleasant as possible
but I feel no responsibility of any kind if "your hard drive is
ruined".  Indeed, I do not see why it is my responsibility to 
protect you from viruses; I am not your ISP.  

Viruses are just one of our problems: spam is the other.  I can safely
say that the only way to tackle both if we implement one of the two
methods I described in my previous email.  So we have to make the usual 
choice between security and convenience.

Mate

on spam prevention

[Mate Wierdl]

On spam prevention:

Few solutions (in order of preference)

--- set up TMDA: anybody who posts to the list will receive a
confirmation request.  This can be set up so that a given sender only
the first time has to confirm a message.  In particular, I would 
set it up so that current subscribers would not have to confirm

--- subscribers only posts

--- set up moderation

Actually, I could set it up so that subscribers would post with no
problems, and only posts from nonsubscribers would be sent to
moderation.  

For me TMDA is more complicated to set up since it is not built into
ezmlm, but for you it may be more convenient since it requires no
moderators.  

Note that there is no point in setting up any kind of filter: many of
the messages are not in English.

Implementing any of the above measure would also eliminate virus distro.

Mate

On Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:09:35PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> 
> I sent this to the wrong place first...
> 

> X-From-Line: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Fri Apr 26 16:14:17 2002
> Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm
> List-Help: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Subscribe: 
> Date: 26 Apr 2002 14:11:28 -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Delivered-To: responder for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ezmlm response
> Xref: trylle.birdstep.com mail.personlig:11274 mail.lyx-devel:25043
> 
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
> 
> This is a generic help message. The message I received wasn't sent to
> any of my command addresses.
> 
> 
> --- Administrative commands for the lyx-devel list ---
> 
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> DO NOT SEND THEM TO THE LIST ADDRESS! If you do, I will not
> see them and other subscribers will be annoyed. Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
> 
> 
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To remove your address from the list, send a message to:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Similar addresses exist for the digest list:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To get messages 123 through 145 (a maximum of 100 per request), mail:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To get an index with subject and author for messages 123-456 , mail:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> They are always returned as sets of 100, max 2000 per request,
> so you'll actually get 100-499.
> 
> To get an index with subject and author for the last 100-200 
> messages (this also tells you the latest message number), mail:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To receive all messages with the same subject as message 12345,
> send an empty message to:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> The messages do not really need to be empty, but I will ignore
> their content. Only the ADDRESS you send to is important.
> 
> You can start a subscription for an alternate address,
> for example "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", just add a hyphen and your
> address (with '=' instead of '@') after the command word:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> To stop subscription for this address, mail:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> In both cases, I'll send a confirmation message to that address. When
> you receive it, simply reply to it to complete your subscription.
> 
> If despite following these instructions, you do not get the
> desired results, please contact my owner at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please be patient, my owner is a
> lot slower than I am ;-)
> 
> --- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.
> 
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: (qmail 19259 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2002 14:11:27 -
> Received: from tilt.birdstep.org (HELO trylle.birdstep.com) (194.143.101.14)
>   by wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu with SMTP; 26 Apr 2002 14:11:27 -
> Received: (from larsbj@localhost)
>   by trylle.birdstep.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3QEAKh20437;
>   Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:10:20 +0200
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: lots of smap on the lyx lists
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lars Gullik =?iso-8859-1?q?Bj=F8nnes?=)
> Organization: LyX Developer http://www.lyx.org/
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:10:19 +0200
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Lines: 5
> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.2
>  (i386-redhat-linux-gnu)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> Can anything be done about that?
> 
> -- 
>   Lgb
> 

> 
> 
> -- 
>   Lgb

Re: FWD: Re: A WinXP patch

[Mate Wierdl]

I have not followed.  A switch in ezmlm will set up the list
to remove the following MIME parts:

application/excel
application/rtf
application/msword
application/ms-tnef
text/html
text/rtf
text/enriched
text/x-vcard
application/activemessage
application/andrew-inset
application/applefile
application/atomicmail
application/dca-rft
application/dec-dx
application/mac-binhex40
application/mac-compactpro
application/macwriteii
application/news-message-id
application/news-transmission
application/octet-stream
application/oda
application/pdf
application/postscript
application/powerpoint
application/remote-printing
application/slate
application/wita
application/wordperfect5.1
application/x-bcpio
application/x-cdlink
application/x-compress
application/x-cpio
application/x-csh
application/x-director
application/x-dvi
application/x-hdf
application/x-httpd-cgi
application/x-koan
application/x-latex
application/x-mif
application/x-netcdf
application/x-stuffit
application/x-sv4cpio
application/x-sv4crc
application/x-tar
application/x-tcl
application/x-tex
application/x-texinfo
application/x-troff
application/x-troff-man
application/x-troff-me
application/x-troff-ms
application/x-ustar
application/x-wais-source
audio/basic
audio/mpeg
audio/x-aiff
audio/x-pn-realaudio
audio/x-pn-realaudio
audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin
audio/x-realaudio
audio/x-wav
image/gif
image/ief
image/jpeg
image/png
image/tiff
image/x-cmu-raster
image/x-portable-anymap
image/x-portable-bitmap
image/x-portable-graymap
image/x-portable-pixmap
image/x-rgb
image/x-xbitmap
image/x-xpixmap
image/x-xwindowdump
text/x-sgml
video/mpeg
video/quicktime
video/x-msvideo
video/x-sgi-movie
x-conference/x-cooltalk
x-world/x-vrml

Plese leave/add those you want in the list, then I will implement it.
If a message contains _only_ the above types, the message gets rejected.

If that is not enough, then please give me a 100% reliable filter (so
no false positives ever), that would remove parts by given file
extension.

You can also think about:

-- moderate the list

-- each post from a nonsubscriber would get a confirmation request
   (but only for the first time from a given address).

Mate


On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 09:47:58AM +0200, Juergen Vigna wrote:
> Hi Mate!
> 
> Did you follow this? Would it be possible I think it's a good idea kill files
> with such extensions, as we surely don't send that type of files to lyx-devel
> (or shouldn't also if we do ;)
> 
> Greets,
> 
>  Jürgen
> 
> -Fwd: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>-
> 
> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 00:20:52 +0400
> From: Vitaly Lipatov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Philipp Reichmuth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: A  WinXP patch
> Cc: lyx-devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> On 28 April 2002 19:22, Philipp Reichmuth wrote:
> 
> > VL> Filter on the size or the file name extension will be enough?
> > VL> I think some antivirus is more problematic.
> >
> > Extension would do. Size is bad, sometimes there are really big
> > screenshots getting passed around.
> We need kill files with such extensions as pif, bat, scr, exe, com.
> Also I think I wish not get bmp-file in 1.2Mb from some simply guy. And
> some size limit is needed.
> Well, method with extensions is good. Virus have to be executable
> and it has an executable extension.
> Sorry for
> 
> --End of forwarded message-
> 
> --
> -._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._
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> I-39100 Bozen   Web: http://www.sad.it/~jug
> -._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._-._
> 
> When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking
> about themselves.
> 

-- 
---
Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis  

[jeff@jab.org: Re: filtering problem for lyx lists]

[Mate Wierdl]

Here we go,

Mate
- Forwarded message from Jeff Breidenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Jeff Breidenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (message from Mate
Wierdl on Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:51:05 -0600)
Subject: Re: filtering problem for lyx lists
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:41:56 -0800


I already put it through reprocessing. Lar's mail got misrecognized as
a separate list, and was separated out. Should be all fixed now.

-Jeff

- End forwarded message -

lars's mail

[Mate Wierdl]

I am confused: when I go to

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel%40lists.lyx.org/maillist.html

I see messages from Lars.  

Could you tell me the exact problem?

Mate

Re: Lars' mail is being eaten up!!!

[Mate Wierdl]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 06:10:02PM +, John Levon wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 03:30:03PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> 
> > some bad archiving software? cannot handle 8bit chars in mail headers?
> > 
> > Your loss not mine...
> 
> Perhaps you shouldn't have X-No-Archive: yes in your headers.

Note that everybody's post to the list will have that in the headers
(check on this message). The mail to the archive goes through a
sublist which removes that header.

Mate

Re: Lars' mail is being eaten up!!!

[Mate Wierdl]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 02:17:56PM +, Angus Leeming wrote:
> I have just resubscribed to the lyx-devel mailing list. Looks like I was 
> unsubscribed for sometime, although some mail (eg André's reply to my 
> ostringstream question got through to me). Perhaps that was cc-ed.
> 
> Anyway, why was I unsubscribed I wonder.

Probably your address is bad.  I'll check.

> 
> Looking at the mail archive, it appears that it's filtering out all Lars' 
> mail. Is this a conspriracy? I can see he replied to stuff in the 
>   "a thought on insets and buffers..."
> discussion, but his replies aren't there!
> 
> Lars, someone's out to get you !
> 

I'll ask the web archive maintainer.  In the menatime you can get
lars's mails via email.  One of these days, I should really set up a
web archive here.  When I have time

Mate

list manager warning messages

[Mate Wierdl]

Gals and Guys,

Lately, apparently some messages sent to the list contained viruses,
and some ISPs bounce  these messages back to the list manager which
then sends out a warning message to you.  These warnings are 
harmless, and you are not going to be dropped from the list as a
result.

If, on the other hand, a warning message also bounces (this should not
happen since the warning message will not contain a virus) then after
some grace period the list manager sends out a probe, and if the probe
also bounces then you will be removed from the list since the list
manager declares your address bad.  

There are about 20 days between the message the list manager tried to
deliver to you first bounced, and the possible removal of your address
from the list because a probe message bounced.

I'd like to emphasize that if only messages containing viruses are
bounced back to the list manager, but not the warning message, then
you will not be removed from the list.

In case you want to know more, let me tell you the paperpath of a
message that bounces:


1) Suppose [EMAIL PROTECTED] sends a message to the list.  

2) Upon receiving the message, the list manager called ezmlm first
   rewrites the sender address [EMAIL PROTECTED] to a special address.  This is
   to protect the sender.  Indeed, imagine you are [EMAIL PROTECTED], and imagine
   50 of subscribers's to the list bounce back the message.  According
   to the rules of email (rfc 2821), bounces must go to the sender
   address---so [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you) would receive 50 bounces.  Not great.

   So to protect the sender [EMAIL PROTECTED], ezmlm changes the sender address
   to a special address so that any bounce will be handled by ezmlm
   automatically.
   
   It is important to note that ezmlm makes no other change to the
   message.  So if the message contained a virus, the virus will be
   sent to all subscribers.
   
3) Now suppose the message (originally from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ezmlm is trying to
   send to the subscriber address [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounces (say the server on c.d
   detected a virus in the message).  The bounce arrives back to ezmlm. 
   It then waits about 10 days, and sends a warning message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   explaining that some messages have bounced back.

   Now two things can happen:
   
   3/a: This warning message bounces back from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Then ezmlm
makes a note of it, and about 10 days later will send a probe
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  If the probe bounces back, the address
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is removed from the list.  If the probe does not bounce
back, the bad behavior of  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is forgotten for now.

   3/b: This message does not bounce back from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Then the bad
   behavior of  [EMAIL PROTECTED] is forgotten for now.


That is it.  So note that if a new message sent to the list bounces
back from [EMAIL PROTECTED], then the whole thing starts all over.  In
particular, another 20 day grace period will start for this new
message---independently from [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s bad behavior on a previous
message.  

You see you will be removed from the list only if your address is
really bad.  

Mate

Re: A very reliable crash with zipped attachment

[Mate Wierdl]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 01:05:08PM -0600, Michael Polevoy wrote:
> #26 0x4012e507 in __libc_start_main (main=0x80e9200 , argc=1, 
> ubp_av=0xb324,

Could this be because of the recently noticed glibc buff overflow bug?

Mate

Re: new spam control?

[Mate Wierdl]

On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 04:17:37PM +0100, Asger K. Alstrup Nielsen wrote:
> Then the mailing list replied that I was not subscribed, so my
> mail was blocked. I had to subscribe, or reply, or something
> to get my mail through, except that my mail was lost.
> That was such a disappointment that I just gave up.
> 
> I hate such mailing lists.

Hence the reason we do not use the "subscribers only" feature.
With the software I am proposing, your mail gets retained, and you
just have to confirm your post, and then it gets delivered to the list. 
Mail does not get lost.

> 
> I don't think we should trade two spam mails a week for a white-list
> approach.

That is fine with me.  Just let me know when you think either of the
lists receives too much spam, and then we bring up the question again.

Happy lyxing,

Mate

new spam control?

[Mate Wierdl]

I am thinking about implementing a different kind of spam control, and
unless I get strong objections, I will implement it in the next week
or so.

The main reason is that there are still at least two-three spams each
week slipping into the lyx lists.  (Nowadays, there are over 100 spam
messages addressed to the lyx lists each day).

The main idea is that anybody who posts a message to the lyx lists
would have to confirm the post.

Now, with the software, it is possible to set up a whitelist so that
anybody on the whitelist could post without confirmation.

There are various ways to set up the whitelist; the two possible
solutions for us

1) Anybody who is a subscriber of a particular list will be in the
whitelist automatically.

2) Anybody who sent in a reply to a confirmation will be automatically
put on the whitelist.

As a starting point, I would choose the 2), especially since the
whitelist can be set up so that in addition to permanent members, it
can have memberships which expire after a configurable amount of time.


The software I am about to use is TMDA, and those interested can read
about it at 

http://software.libertine.org/tmda/

Mate

poweroutage

[Mate Wierdl]

We have some power problems at the university due to the storms in
this area,  so the lyx mailinglists might be intermittently down.  Sorry.

Mate

Re: duplicate mail (was Re: space after formula)

[Mate Wierdl]

On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:15:43AM -0800, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote:
> Add this to your procmail recipes and it will be done for you...

Not everybody is mailing from Unix, and many mailers still do not
respect Mail-Followup-To (pine never will).  What Jurgen complains
about is people hitting the reply-to-all button on the mailer.  It is
almost never needed on the list. 

Mate

[jeff@jab.org: Re: problems with the lyx lists]

[Mate Wierdl]

- Forwarded message from Jeff Breidenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Jeff Breidenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (message from Mate
Wierdl on Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:37:09 -0600)
Subject: Re: problems with the lyx lists
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:56:39 -0800


Massive problems related to MHonARC 2.5.0 -- all mail is being queued
and I am working with the author of MHonARC. There's a lot of traffic
about this on both the [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailing lists about this right now. (Of course, we're not archiving it
at the moment.)

-Jeff

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Re: mail-archive broken ?

[Mate Wierdl]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 11:33:45AM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is the mail archive broken (www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel%40lists.lyx.org) ?

I repprtde the problem to the archive's maintainer; waiting for the
answer.

Thx for letting me know,

Mate

Re: Lyx and RedHat 7.2

[Mate Wierdl]

Which gcc did you install (what is the output of rpm -q gcc).  There are two
gcc's coming with 7.2.

BTWY, your mailer does not fold lines, so it is difficult to quote your
message.

Mate

test, ignore

[Mate Wierdl]

Ignore

Mate

sorry

[Mate Wierdl]

For some people, mails might have bounced from the server.  Really sorry
about that; the hard disk Gods have been playing a game here.

Please contact me with including the bounce in the message if things still
not in order:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mate

Re: Long mails

[Mate Wierdl]

Is this a sample mail from Andre to show us how  long a message he is
willing to tolerate?

Seriously, just send me a note when you guys agreed on some limit.

Mate

On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:32:31AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote:

upgrade

[Mate Wierdl]

Since I am upgrading the server, there might be a few hours interruption of
the list service.  Sorry, this had to be done unexpectedly (a disk filled up).

Mate

Re: Long mails

[Mate Wierdl]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 04:32:45PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote:
> 
> It would be really nice if we could refrain from posting large mails to
> the list. Not everybody has a cheap high-speed connection to the net all
> the time...

If there is a need, I can certainly restrict the size of the posts.  Any too
large post would be bounced back to the poster.  Just tell me what a
reasonable limit is. 500K comes to mind...  Anything larger can be posted on
a webpage instead.

Mate

French LyX list

[Mate Wierdl]

I have set up the French LyX mailinglist:

Post to list:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe to list:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For example
echo | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unsubscribe from list:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For example,
echo | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Welcome and some other messages will come in French (the Subject: of
these will be English)

The list will be archived at 

http://www.mail-archive.com/

The address will possibly be

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-fr@lists.lyx.org/

but it will show up only in a few days.

There is also a digest version of the list:

Subscribe to digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For example
echo | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unsubscribe from digest: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For example,
echo | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mate

yearly stats

[Mate Wierdl]

$ for i in DEVEL USERS ANNOUNCE; do echo $i:; ezmlm-list ~/$i |wc -l; done
DEVEL:
127
USERS:
438
ANNOUNCE:
613

$ for i in DEVEL USERS; do echo $i:; ezmlm-list ~/$i/digest |wc -l;
done
DEVEL:
 30
USERS:
 60

In comparison:

(March 1999)
$ wc -l users.old.subs 
354 users.old.subs 

(Oct 31  1998)
$ wc -l devel.old.subs
134 devel.old.subs

(Nov 16 1998)
$ wc -l announce.old.subs 
362 announce.old.subs

There has been about 20 thousand messages posted to the devel list, 13
thousand to the users's and 190 to the announce list.

The lists (local archive) occupy a bit over 150M diskspace.

Best,

Mate

list disruption

[Mate Wierdl]

During the Holiday break, our university repairs some of our computer
services. They promised there will be no disruption of power or email
routing, but I am not holding my breath.

They will start the work at 4:30PM US Central, Dec 22, and finish Dec
30. 

I apologize if there will be any list downtime during this time.

Mate

xdvi with XFree86-4.* problem

[Mate Wierdl]

Apparently, this is a bug people who upgrade to RedHat 7.0 will see: xdvi
will not have its buttons anymore.  Thomas Esser of teTeX thinks it is some
problem with the new shared libs in XFree86-4.*.  They are working on it.
Apparently, the latest pure xdvi does not have the problem, xdvik does have
it---and that is the one coming with teTeX.

Not a LyX problem, but I guess many people would want to know.

Mate

Jurgen's 2nd message

[Mate Wierdl]

Bounced for the same reason.

Mate

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From: Juergen Vigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PATCH] KDE TOC,Citation,Index Forms, small Url cleanup


On 11-Sep-2000 John Levon wrote:
> 
> Please consider
> 

Applied!

Please next time make a complete patch form the root source tree, also
with all new files included in the patch?

I remember that there should be some sort of cvsdiff with a -N option
so that newfiles where included in the patch.

  Jürgen

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failure notice (fwd)

[Mate Wierdl]

Sorry, this message bounced at the time I restricted posting.

Mate
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To: lyx-devel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GUIRuntime init ?


On 11-Sep-2000 Marko Vendelin wrote:
> 
> Juergen, Gnome implementation has a tiny bug: the strings app_id and
> app_version should be static too due to a "feature" of Gnome--.
> 

Ok done!

 Jürgen

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You will be the victim of a bizarre joke.

virus again

[Mate Wierdl]

After this message, I will remove the subscriber's only requirement to
the list.

A few remarks (and important to those who could not post to the list
anymore)

1) If you know that you will be posting from a different address, you
can subscribe that address to the list as well without receiving
duplicate messages.  All you need to do is to subscribe to the `allow'
list.

For the devel list:

echo| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For the users list:

echo| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can unsub similarly.


2) I could not block these viral messages based on subject: there were
   (eventually) 12 different subjects.

3) I will not authenticate based on From: or any other fields.  It is
   insecure, and much easier to forge than envelope sender.  Just
   consider the fact that over 20 of these messages had list
   subscribers in the From: line---while only 3 had subscribers as
   envelope sender.

Mate

   

virus

[Mate Wierdl]

I have modified the lyx-users and lyx-devel lists's configuration, so that
they accept messages only from subscribers.   This is only temporarily, and
I will change the config back if I do not see any more of these "viral"
messages coming at our server.

If a nonsubscriber posts, she will get a bounce explaining the situation.

Mate

subscribers only?

[Mate Wierdl]

As a countermeasure, should I temporarily set up the users and devel lists
subscribers only until the messages with Subject:

Re: [phxjug-java] Re: Two tools

stop coming in?

Or just use a filter?
Mate

Re: lyx-foo

[Mate Wierdl]

Here is a short list of mailers, and how to view the full headers.  I think
we need to find out how to do this in Win/Mac clients too.

Netscape: View->Headers->All
elm: press `h'
emacs/gnus: press `t'
emacs/mh-e: press `,'
emacs/rmail: press `t'
exmh: press Home or use scrollbar
mutt: press `h'
pine: press `h'
xmh: use scrollbar

Mate

offtopic: spam

[Mate Wierdl]

relays.mail-abuse.org has changed their service, and my present software
cannot use this service.  As a consequence, we might see some relayed spam
to this list.  I should be able to fix the problem in the next day or so.

Thx for patience,

Mate

list down

[Mate Wierdl]

My box was taken off the network for about 15 hours due to a possible
breakin, but luckily it turned out to be a false alarm.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Mate

when we get spammed

[Mate Wierdl]

Just a reminder: please do not respond to the spam messages this list gets
from time to time---unless you know what you are doing.

I promptly deal with each of these messages (reporting them at appropriate
places), and usually you put your own email address in danger if you try to
handle spam yourself.

Thx

Mate

Re: lyx-foo

[Mate Wierdl]

> This depends on how you define daemon...
> (is ftpd a daemon when invoked by inetd?)
> (is the mailman a daemon when invoked by qmail?)

Good point.  I'd think ftpd is not a daemon if it runs under inetd.
Otherwise, any job invoked by cron (or by any other daemon) would be a
daemon.

It is a tough call, but a mailinglist manager I think is not a daemon
by any definition: it behaves basically as a mail client (MUA): sends
out and organizes mail when it is tickled.  It does absolutely
nothing without provocation.

So how about this definition for a daemon: it *always* shows up
anytime you do ps aux.

In particular no program is a daemon if it is not running.  Being a
daemon is a description of how a program is running, and not the
program itself.

But carry on; happy lyxing,

Mate

Re: lyx-foo

[Mate Wierdl]

I think 

   In every message you get from the LyX mailing lists, there will be a
   line like this:
   List-Unsubscribe:
   
   
is not precise.  People might think that the above line is in the body of
the message, and they will not find it.  Perhaps some clue for how to show
this header using some popular MUAs?

mutt: h
pine:
Outlook:
Netscape:
Gnus:
nmh:
exmh:
emacs:
mh-e:
xemacs/vm:
kmail:
dtmail:

Looks insane to provide all this info on the webpage.  But if you guys
collect this info, I can put it in a file, and assign a mailaddress to it.

Mate
Mate



   

Re: lyx-foo

[Mate Wierdl]

Just a remark: the mailinglist manager is not a daemon---and I do not think
any list manager is a daemon.

But the page looks really good, and if somebody messes up, then he deserves
it.

This, by the way is my pedagogical experience: most people understand things
better through examples.  man pages are hard to read because they give a
general scheme first---and often no examples follow.

Mate

Re: some new mailinglists

[Mate Wierdl]

On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 09:15:22PM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> | |bouncesaying 'The list address must be in To: or Cc: .' except iftocc
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Super.
> 
> | unless you are absolutely sure you would never post directly to the list.
> | 
> | But as I reported on the devel list, the list is all set to go.
> 
> And it is now used.
> 
> btw. Do you have some stats abot the lyx mailinglists? number of
> subscribers aetc.
> 

$ for i in ANNOUNCE DEVEL DEVEL/digest USERS USERS/digest DOCS CVS; do
> echo $i:
> ezmlm-list ~/$i|wc -l
> done
ANNOUNCE:
536
DEVEL:
128
DEVEL/digest:
 24
USERS:
433
USERS/digest:
 42
DOCS:
 38
CVS:
  3

Number of messages:
DEVEL:
  12802
USERS:
   5835

Mate
Mate

cvs list

[Mate Wierdl]

What is the update on this?  Are people aware that it is set up?

Mate

subscribe problems

[Mate Wierdl]

>From time to time I get people who try to subscribe to the list

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mate

Re: Changing spec file for lyx-1.1.5 and lyx-devel

[Mate Wierdl]

Since the poster also wanted a different executable name:  use the
wrapper

#! /bin/sh
exec /usr/local/bin/lyx ${1+"$@"}

and call it, say, lyx-devel.

Mate

cvs list

[Mate Wierdl]

I just set up the cvs list.  It is 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subscribe

echo| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unsubscribe:

echo| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Help:
echo| mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Complain, requests to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Keep in mind that the list accepts posts only from addresses with lyx.org
domain part.  Also, reply-to is set to the devel list.

Since Lars did not feel strongly about it, I am not web archiving the list
(this can change, if I get an official "but we need it"). Of course, you can
access the archive via email.

Mate

RE: New bug

[Mate Wierdl]

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On 22-May-2000 Michael Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> the following bug occurred when browsing the doc file about extended features.
> 
> Michael
> 
>   Purify instrumented ./lyx (pid 9693)  
> ABR: Array bounds read:
>   * This is occurring while in:
> strchr [rtlib.o]
> parse_entry[libforms.a]
> fl_addtopup[libforms.a]
> void Add_to_toc_menu(const
> std::vector
>>&,unsigned,unsigned,int,int,std::vector >&,flobjs_*)
>>[menus.C:1300]

New features new bugs #:) (so I'm not alone with the tabular-insets ;)

   Jürgen

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Re: 1.1.5pre3 purify report #2

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From: Juergen Vigna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1.1.5pre3 purify report #2
Cc: LyX-Developers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On 22-May-2000 Michael Schmitt wrote:
> 
> Congratulation! You killed the bug.
> 

#:O)

> But - now there is an even more severe bug!!!
> 

:(

Is it possible for you to substitute the code I gave you for 
LyXParagraph::PasteParagraph at the end with this and try again?

// delete the next paragraph
LyXParagraph *ppar = the_next->previous;
LyXParagraph *npar = the_next->next;
delete the_next;
ppar->next = npar;

This should be the right fix (hopefully!)

Thanks for all your tests!

 Jürgen

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Re: 1.1.5pre3 purify report #2

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On 22-May-2000 Michael Schmitt wrote:
> Juergen Vigna wrote:
> 
>> I changed this:
>> 
>> in LyXParagraph::PasteParagraph() i changed the last rows to:
>> 
>> // delete the next paragraph
>> LyXParagraph *prev = the_next->previous;
>> delete the_next;
>> prev->next = 0;
>> 
>> Hope this fixes this bug!
> 
> I apologize. Purify still reports the messages below despite the changes.
> 

Thanks for your fix reply, now I really have had a GOOD look at it and
seen that the endpar was really a freed paragraph if the endpar is
Pasted with the startpar. This should do the trick and fix this bug,
could you please check it?

Greets Jürgen

P.S.: This is the patch if you prefer it to cvs!

===
RCS file: /usr/local/lyx/cvsroot/lyx-devel/src/CutAndPaste.C,v
retrieving revision 1.8
retrieving revision 1.9
diff -u -r1.8 -r1.9
--- lyx-devel/src/CutAndPaste.C 2000/04/27 09:05:04 1.8
+++ lyx-devel/src/CutAndPaste.C 2000/05/22 11:08:25 1.9
@@ -125,8 +125,10 @@
if (doclear)
startpar->Next()->ClearParagraph();
if (startpar->FirstPhysicalPar()->HasSameLayout(startpar->Next()) || 
-   !startpar->Next()->Last())
+   !startpar->Next()->Last()) {
startpar->ParFromPos(start)->PasteParagraph();
+   (*endpar) = startpar; // this because endpar gets deleted here!
+   }
 }
 return true;
 }

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Re: New citation dialog

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On 19-May-2000 Dekel Tsur wrote:

>> Somehow, the reading of depth has been broken. Then, half of the
>> document has depth 1, and of course, this is not a good test case for
>> Dekel's code (even loading the UserGuide is horribly painful). First
>> thing is to understand why there is a pb with UserGuide.
> 
> This is caused by a bug in InsetTabular (for a short period of time, the CVS
> code used InsetTabular instead of LyXTable when reading a file. Do a cvs
> update to fix this).

You're right that this is caused by a wrong LyXTable read and you're
also right that it isn't only your code which makes LyX so slow, but
most probably the InsetTabular code. I'll have a look!

Jürgen

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Re: 1.1.5pre3 purify report #2

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On 21-May-2000 Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>| Hi,
>| 
>| sorry for getting on your nerves but this one should really be
>| fixed.
> 
> This is the same that you sent yesterday? I have forwarded that to
> Jürgen, so that he can have a look at that ... since he did some work
> on the CutPaste recently.

I fixed something in LyXParagraph::PasteParagraph() and commit this soon
could you try if the problem persists?

I changed this:

in LyXParagraph::PasteParagraph() i changed the last rows to:

// delete the next paragraph
LyXParagraph *prev = the_next->previous;
delete the_next;
prev->next = 0;

Hope this fixes this bug!

 Jürgen

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RE: One last proposal

[Mate Wierdl]

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Subject: RE: One last proposal
Cc: Michael Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On 21-May-2000 Michael Schmitt wrote:
> Sorry, it's me again.
> 
> When creating a new file from a template, lyx first asks for a file name and
> afterwards for a template.
> 
> This is what the stupid user does:
> 
> - He chooses "New from template..."
> - He clicks on 'Template" because he wants to use a template
> - Now that he sees all the templates, he selects one of them (and he is quite
> happy because it was sooo simple)
> 
> What happens next? Lyx says that the file already exists and asks the user
> whether it shall open it! Hmmm! Confusion! Well, the rest is obvious.
> 

I already wanted to change this so that we have a Unamed-Document (without
the need for giving a document name) with which we then can work. This would
remove the need for the File-Dialog. Then when we do a save, the File-Dialog
should open automatically and ask us for a name. IMO this should be done,
but it seems that some of us don't like this behavious :(

   Jürgen

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forwarding lost mail

[Mate Wierdl]

I have some mail sent to the list which got lost when this mishap
happened last week.  I am forwarding these to the list.

Mate

Re: some new mailinglists

[Mate Wierdl]

So what should be the name for the cvs list, and are there any special
requirements for it?  (Like moderation, only susbcribers can post,
whatever).

Mate

list problems fixed

[Mate Wierdl]

Sorry guys,

/usr/local/bin failed to mount due disk failure, and one of the spam testing
software I was using for the list was there.  This was the last loud WD disk
in my box.

But all should be fine now; I am using a backup /usr/local/bin.

Thx for your infinite understanding...

Mate

test3 ignore

[Mate Wierdl]

test

Re: lyx.org route problem

[Mate Wierdl]

The problem is that the nameservers ns{1,2}.lyx.org do not have 
ptr records.  Indeed:

nslookup -query=ns lyx.org
Server:  dns1.memphis.edu
Address:  141.225.253.21

Non-authoritative answer:
lyx.org nameserver = ns2.lyx.org
lyx.org nameserver = ns1.lyx.org
lyx.org nameserver = lupinella.troll.no
lyx.org nameserver = janus2.sad.it
lyx.org nameserver = stgeorg.mediascience.no

Authoritative answers can be found from:
ns2.lyx.org internet address = 195.0.254.205
ns1.lyx.org internet address = 195.0.254.206
lupinella.troll.no  internet address = 195.0.254.19
janus2.sad.it   internet address = 192.106.213.194
stgeorg.mediascience.no internet address = 193.215.2.12

nslookup 195.0.254.206
Server:  dns1.memphis.edu
Address:  141.225.253.21

*** dns1.memphis.edu can't find 195.0.254.206: Non-existent
host/domain

nslookup 195.0.254.205
Server:  dns1.memphis.edu
Address:  141.225.253.21

*** dns1.memphis.edu can't find 195.0.254.205: Non-existent host/domain

And of course, I can even try:

nslookup lyx.org ns1.lyx.org
*** Can't find server name for address 195.0.254.206: Non-existent
host/domain
*** Default servers are not available

which shows that ns1.lyx.org's lack of ptr record is to blame.

Mate

offtopic: mailserver

[Mate Wierdl]

I am sending this to the list because I am not sure Lars can get it
otherwise.
-
Lars,

I get 

 nslookup 195.0.254.205
Server:  dns1.memphis.edu
Address:  141.225.253.21

*** dns1.memphis.edu can't find 195.0.254.205: Non-existent
host/domain

This means missing ptr record.  Moreover,

nslookup 195.0.254.205 ns2.lyx.org
*** Can't find server name for address 195.0.254.205: Non-existent
host/domain
*** Default servers are not available

Mate

list is fine

[Mate Wierdl]

You can now use the original address to post to the list.  Sorry for
the interruption of service.

Mate

mail

[Mate Wierdl]

Hi,

(This is a duplicate in case the previous message did not reac the lists).

Our nameserver is still in shambles, but maybe it will be fixed today.

Temporarily, you can mail to the following addresses to send a message to
your favorite list:

lyx-announce: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lyx-devel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lyx-users:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


No subscribe or unsub addresses, but I can sub/unsub you if you send a
message to 

lyx@[141.225.11.87]

It is enough to indicate in the subject what you want me to do, like

Subject: unsub lyx-announce

Mate

how to mail

[Mate Wierdl]

Our nameserver problem still persists, but it seems it will be fixed today.

In the meantime, if you want to mail to the lists, you can do that using the
following addresses:

USERS: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

DEVEL: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ANNOUNCE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sorry, no subscribe or unsubscribe addresses.  If you must change your
sub/unsub status, please mail to 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

It is enough to put subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject of the message,
as in

subscribe announce
subscribe users
subscribe devel

I'll do the sub/unsub by hand.

Mate

Nameserver problem

[Mate Wierdl]

Hi,

Our department's nameserver is down (no secondary!), so there may be
some interruption of this list.  In particular, please contact the
list owner at 

lyx@[141.225.11.87]

temporarily, and do not use my address at
wierdlmpc.msci.memphis.edu. I'll let you know when things will be back
to normal.

Sorry,

Mate
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network problem

[Mate Wierdl]

Our university's network is extremely slow today, and this may result in slow
delivery of messages to and from the list.  They are working on the
problem.

Mate

Re: Problem with lyx mailing lists?

[Mate Wierdl]

Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There seem to be no traffic on the lyx mailing lists and I find that hard
> to believe. Are there any problems?
> 
>   Lgb

No problems.  I just did a 2 minute maintenance, and I forgot to
reenable list delivery. It should work now.  Sorry

Mate

Re: new feature for spec file

[Mate Wierdl]

   
   Can this be used in the postinstall section of the spec file or only
   during setup?  It'd be a lot more useful once they have the "not
   implemented" stuff running.
   
   Allan. (ARRae)

A macro can be used any time, but %configure is useful only after
%setup, but not to configure lyx for the install system.  But I think
the config of lyx on the install system is done satisfactorily.

After a short discussion on the rpm list, I got the impression that
they try to develop rpm so that via systemwide macro files, the whole
%build %install, etc can be done with commands that are platform
independent.   In other words, you will just do

%make 
%make install

and the the %make macro will do the right thing for the current
platform.  In particular, %make would use the install paths defined in
/usr/lib/rpm/macros.

Mate

new feature for spec file

[Mate Wierdl]

I just read it in /usr/lib/rpm/macros:

# The configure macro does the following:
#   optionally change to a subdirectory (not implemented).
#   attempt to update config.guess and config.sub.
#   run configure with correct prefix, platform, and CFLAGS.
#   optionally restore current directory (not implemented).
# The configure macro should be invoked as %configure (rather than %{configure})
# because the rest of the arguments will be expanded using %*. Another
# gotcha is that arguments, if present, should be on the same line as the
# %configure.

Mate

reply-to for announce list

[Mate Wierdl]

What if I set up an automatic reply-to and mail-followup-to header for the 
announce list pointing at a script that bounces back any message sent to it
with something:

please do not reply to any posts to the lyx-announce list.  Please
use the lyx-devel or lyx-users lists.

Mate

: Re: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org

[Mate Wierdl]

They are working on the lists' web archive problem.  

Mate
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Big huge backlog in messages -- am poking around now.

Thanks for the tip --
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core dump, was Re: Prerelease LyX 1.1.4pre2

[Mate Wierdl]

If I run lyx as root it immediately core dumps.

Not to me on my RH 6.1 box.  Perhaps you did not set DISPLAY for root
when you did this, and then lyx *always* does this:

# lyx
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
# ls -l core 
-rw---   1 root root   749568 Jan 21 09:41 core
# rpm -q lyx
lyx-1.1.4pre2-1

This error has nothing to do with root; it has to do with not finding
where to display.  Perhaps an xforms bug.

Mate

Re: Prerelease LyX 1.1.4pre2

[Mate Wierdl]

Please next time look at the addresses you are sending the mail to.
Your message was also sent to the announce list.

Mate
On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 11:06:43AM +0100, Jacek M. Holeczek wrote:
> Hi all,
> > ftp://ftp.sylvan.com/pub/lyx/lyx-1.1.4pre2-1.i386.rpm
> I have just tried this release.
> I'm using the european.kmap and I have found some problems :
>   - "\\.{z}" and "\\.{Z}" are displayed as "z" and "Z" respectively,
> the "dot" on top of them is missing (dvi and ps are o.k.)
>   - "\\k{a}", "\\k{A}", "\\k{e}", "\\k{E}" - the "cedilla" looks
> quite bad (it's a point, which does not "scale" when I modify
> the Options -> Screen Fonts... -> Font Zoom
> (again dvi and ps are o.k.)
>   - "\\l{}" and "\\L{}" - the "dash" is displayed too high
> (again dvi and ps are o.k.)
> Best regards,
> Jacek.
> 

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Re: Lyx-devel mailing list (fwd)

[Mate Wierdl]

Asger,

It is best to forward these messages to the list owner,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thx,

Mate

list off

[Mate Wierdl]

I just received the following message:


[1]  The electricity in the building (DUNN) will be off Dec 27-29 (M-W),
maybe even the 30th, but probably not.  Physical Plant is having to
change out major switch.

This means the users, devel and announce lists will be down for
this period.  Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do about this.
There may be a possibilty to move the lists temporarily to another
machine, but that seems to be more trouble than it is worth (visualize
changing DNS entries and list manager config files  and friends).

While I will be in Hungary from Dec 19-Jan 7, I will try to make sure
that apart from the above dates, all will be functional.

Mate

Re: year end statistics

[Mate Wierdl]

Or maybe the 14 who left this year were the ones who could
actually help?

Well, they may not have left---see the stats for the devel digest
list. 

Mate

year end statistics

[Mate Wierdl]

In case you are interested:

Devel:
=
-rw-rw-r--   1 lyx  lyx  3296 Oct 31  1998 devel.old.subs

wc -l devel.old.subs 
134 devel.old.subs

ezmlm-list ~/DEVEL/|wc -l
120

ezmlm-list ~/DEVEL/digest/|wc -l
 20

Users:
=
-rw-r--r--   1 lyx  lyx  8415 Mar 17  1999 users.old.subs

wc -l users.old.subs 
354 users.old.subs

ezmlm-list ~/USERS/|wc -l
414

ezmlm-list ~/USERS/digest/|wc -l
 27

Announce:

-rw-rw-r--   1 lyx  lyx  8370 Nov 16  1998 announce.old.subs

wc -l announce.old.subs 
362 announce.old.subs

ezmlm-list ~/ANNOUNCE/|wc -l
500

Mate