Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif If it's for wiki.lyx.org, I'd like to wait with messing around with it until we've sorted out a released www.lyx.org. After that, the room for improving wiki.lyx.org is... substantial... :-) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif If it's for wiki.lyx.org, no i meant it for www.lyx.org pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif If it's for wiki.lyx.org, no i meant it for www.lyx.org Ok, I'll bounce that ball to Joost... Joost? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif If it's for wiki.lyx.org, I'd like to wait with messing around with it until we've sorted out a released www.lyx.org. After that, the room for improving wiki.lyx.org is... substantial... :-) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
>> on a different note: what about this header? >> http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif > > If it's for wiki.lyx.org, no i meant it for www.lyx.org pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif If it's for wiki.lyx.org, no i meant it for www.lyx.org Ok, I'll bounce that ball to Joost... Joost? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
[devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Rex C. Eastbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glad you like it Rich! Christian, Joost, Jean-Marc, Pavel, and others were all instrumental in putting this all together. I do not think I deserve any credit here... BTW, is it possible to hide index.php/Main from the URLs? It is pretty ugly. I agree it's ugly and I've been thinking about it and I've even already asked for your help in solving it:-). Ideallly however, the solution should to take into account any future interaction with wiki.lyx.org. Today we have the following: * The wiki corresponding to wiki.lyx.org, and in it... ** Several groups primarily for users, e.g. LyX/, Examples/ etc ** Some groups primarily for develoeprs, e.g. Devel/ etc * The wiki corresponding to www.lyx.org/test, and in it... ** One group, Main/, containing the old web pages You, Jean-Marc, can make the web server rewrite URIs as follows: www.lyx.org/XXX -- www.lyx.org/index.php/Main/XXX Users would then never need to see 'index.php/Main' - I've emailed you about this, it's related to changing some config in /etc/httpd/virtual.d/ - see that post. However, maybe we don't want to have to wikis in the future? Instead, we might think it's more convenient to let the the official web pages simply be one of the other groups in the wiki. This would make it easy to link between pages, and also easy to search all of it at once. Please note that we could still map as follows: * www.lyx.org/Page - ../Main/Page * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Page - The group LyX/ * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/Page - .../Devel/Page Finally, I'd like some suggestions in what to call the group that contains the official web pages... Here are some ideas: * Main/ - what we have today * WWW/ * Official/ 'WWW' migth be ok, but I'm not super thrilled... Now you're probably wondering why the name of gthe group matter... Well, one reason is that accessing the web pages through a 'wiki'-like interface, the name of the group should be descriptive. In addition, if a regular wiki page links to a 'web' page, the name of group will have to be used. Ideas for the name? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You, Jean-Marc, can make the web server rewrite URIs as follows: www.lyx.org/XXX -- www.lyx.org/index.php/Main/XXX Users would then never need to see 'index.php/Main' - I've emailed you about this, it's related to changing some config in /etc/httpd/virtual.d/ - see that post. OK sorry I thought this was not needed anymore. I'll dig out your mail and see what I can do. However, maybe we don't want to have to wikis in the future? Instead, we might think it's more convenient to let the the official web pages simply be one of the other groups in the wiki. This would make it easy to link between pages, and also easy to search all of it at once. Please note that we could still map as follows: I think I'd prefer two different servers www.lyx.org and wiki.lyx.org. Of course this is just a matter of tweaking virtual servers, but the goal is to separate (also visually I guess) the official part of the site from the community part. * www.lyx.org/Page - ../Main/Page * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Page - The group LyX/ * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/Page - .../Devel/Page This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). * Main/ - what we have today * WWW/ * Official/ Main or official are OK to me. Now you're probably wondering why the name of gthe group matter... Well, one reason is that accessing the web pages through a 'wiki'-like interface, the name of the group should be descriptive. In addition, if a regular wiki page links to a 'web' page, the name of group will have to be used. Ideas for the name? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: OK sorry I thought this was not needed anymore. I'll dig out your mail and see what I can do. It's the post I sent yesterday, or maybe on Saturday, not the earlier one. It's some rewriting of the URI that needs to be done. Please note that we could still map as follows: I think I'd prefer two different servers www.lyx.org and wiki.lyx.org. What do you mean with two servers? (I want to make sure we understand each other here... www.lyx.org/ would be used to retrieve the official web pages even if a single wiki is used). Of course this is just a matter of tweaking virtual servers, but the goal is to separate (also visually I guess) the official part of the site from the community part. It's trivial[*] to use different skins for different groups. In fact, a wiki group was originally intended to be more or less a self-contained wiki in itself. Anyway, we certainly make the visual appearance of ... * www.lyx.org/Page - ../Main/Page ... be very different from ... * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Page - The group LyX/ * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/Page - .../Devel/Page even if a single wiki is used as a the backend. This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... And we're actually just talking about visual appearance, which can trivially be made differnt for different wiki groups... (If I create a file config/Official.php, that script is only executed * Main/ - what we have today * WWW/ * Official/ Main or official are OK to me. Ok, maybe Official is good... it indiciates a bit more severity /Christian [*] To do settings specific to a group, you can for instance create file local/Official.php and let that file contain: $Skin = 'lyx'; -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
* www.lyx.org/Page- ../Main/Page * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Page - The group LyX/ * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/Page - .../Devel/Page This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). on contrary i think we should keep the official part of development pages. maybe we can discuss which subsections are needed. the wiki part of devel pages is messy and shouldn't be mixed with official stuff. from my pov: - section Development News should be removed and its main page should be moved under development. - i also wonder about usefulness of Stuff to read section pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you mean with two servers? (I want to make sure we understand each other here... www.lyx.org/ would be used to retrieve the official web pages even if a single wiki is used). Yes. It's trivial[*] to use different skins for different groups. In fact, a wiki group was originally intended to be more or less a self-contained wiki in itself. That is what I mean. This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... And we're actually just talking about visual appearance, which can trivially be made differnt for different wiki groups... There are the pages we care about, and the ramblings from developers (more like note keeping). We have to make sure the former is clear, the later is 'best-effort'. JMarc
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some official' devel pages?). Ok, it sounds like most agree that it's ok to use a single wiki, assuming we have the following mapping (entry points): URI-wiki:Group/Page * wiki.lyx.org/Group/Page Group/Page * www.lyx.org/Page Official/Page * www.lyx.org/devel/PageOfficialDevel/Page The URI, www.lyx.org/devel, will point to the official developers' pages that we care about. When someone accesses the wiki through www.lyx.org/Page and www.lyx.org/devel/Page, It is an open question what should happen if someone goes to the following URI: wiki.lyx.org/Official/Page, Is it ok if they are then shown the official URI? (But cannot edit it unless they log in?). Alternatively, we can redirect them to www.lyx.org/Page, or somewhere else. Note that a link such as [[Official/AboutLyX]] will still become a valid link and vice versa. Does anyone have objections to the above? regards, /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. You had me convinced a while back, but thanks for the additional motivation. If those wiki pages were up, I'd copy your post there! /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. You had me convinced a while back, but thanks for the additional motivation. If those wiki pages were up, I'd copy your post there! on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif i didn't find a way how to put it to wiki. Christian can you put it in, if you find this version better? pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Pavel Sanda wrote: Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. You had me convinced a while back, but thanks for the additional motivation. If those wiki pages were up, I'd copy your post there! on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif i didn't find a way how to put it to wiki. Christian can you put it in, if you find this version better? In my opinion that logo looks just too unprofessional, especially when combined with the mascot. The colors are already back because of your request :) Joost
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
combined with the mascot. The colors are already back because of your request :) i really can't help it :D pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Joost Verburg wrote: In my opinion that logo looks just too unprofessional, especially when combined with the mascot. The colors are already back because of your request :) Joost What if we had some shadow or other contrast behind the letters of that LyX logo that's currently on www.lyx.org/test ? I think that would look nice. Maybe Andrei has ideas about that part, too. Rex
[devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Rex C. Eastbourne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Glad you like it Rich! Christian, Joost, Jean-Marc, Pavel, and others were all instrumental in putting this all together. I do not think I deserve any credit here... BTW, is it possible to hide "index.php/Main" from the URLs? It is pretty ugly. I agree it's ugly and I've been thinking about it and I've even already asked for your help in solving it:-). Ideallly however, the solution should to take into account any future interaction with wiki.lyx.org. Today we have the following: * The wiki corresponding to wiki.lyx.org, and in it... ** Several groups primarily for users, e.g. LyX/, Examples/ etc ** Some groups primarily for develoeprs, e.g. Devel/ etc * The wiki corresponding to www.lyx.org/test, and in it... ** One group, Main/, containing the old web pages You, Jean-Marc, can make the web server rewrite URIs as follows: www.lyx.org/XXX --> www.lyx.org/index.php/Main/XXX Users would then never need to see 'index.php/Main' - I've emailed you about this, it's related to changing some config in /etc/httpd/virtual.d/ - see that post. However, maybe we don't want to have to wikis in the future? Instead, we might think it's more convenient to let the the "official" web pages simply be one of the other groups in the wiki. This would make it easy to link between pages, and also easy to search all of it at once. Please note that we could still map as follows: * www.lyx.org/ -> ../Main/ * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/ -> The group LyX/ * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ -> .../Devel/ Finally, I'd like some suggestions in what to call the group that contains the official web pages... Here are some ideas: * Main/ - what we have today * WWW/ * Official/ 'WWW' migth be ok, but I'm not super thrilled... Now you're probably wondering why the name of gthe group matter... Well, one reason is that accessing the web pages through a 'wiki'-like interface, the name of the group should be descriptive. In addition, if a regular wiki page links to a 'web' page, the name of group will have to be used. Ideas for the name? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You, Jean-Marc, can make the web server rewrite URIs as follows: > > www.lyx.org/XXX --> www.lyx.org/index.php/Main/XXX > > Users would then never need to see 'index.php/Main' - I've emailed you > about this, it's related to changing some config in > /etc/httpd/virtual.d/ - see that post. OK sorry I thought this was not needed anymore. I'll dig out your mail and see what I can do. > However, maybe we don't want to have to wikis in the future? Instead, > we might think it's more convenient to let the the "official" web > pages simply be one of the other groups in the wiki. This would make > it easy to link between pages, and also easy to search all of it at > once. Please note that we could still map as follows: I think I'd prefer two different servers www.lyx.org and wiki.lyx.org. Of course this is just a matter of tweaking virtual servers, but the goal is to separate (also visually I guess) the official part of the site from the community part. > * www.lyx.org/ -> ../Main/ > * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/ -> The group LyX/ > * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ -> .../Devel/ This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). > * Main/ - what we have today > * WWW/ > * Official/ Main or official are OK to me. > Now you're probably wondering why the name of gthe group matter... > Well, one reason is that accessing the web pages through a 'wiki'-like > interface, the name of the group should be descriptive. In addition, > if a regular wiki page links to a 'web' page, the name of group will > have to be used. > > Ideas for the name? > > /C > > -- > Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: OK sorry I thought this was not needed anymore. I'll dig out your mail and see what I can do. It's the post I sent yesterday, or maybe on Saturday, not the earlier one. It's some rewriting of the URI that needs to be done. Please note that we could still map as follows: I think I'd prefer two different servers www.lyx.org and wiki.lyx.org. What do you mean with two servers? (I want to make sure we understand each other here... www.lyx.org/ would be used to retrieve the official web pages even if a single wiki is used). Of course this is just a matter of tweaking virtual servers, but the goal is to separate (also visually I guess) the official part of the site from the community part. It's trivial[*] to use different skins for different groups. In fact, a wiki group was originally intended to be more or less a self-contained wiki in itself. Anyway, we certainly make the visual appearance of ... * www.lyx.org/ -> ../Main/ ... be very different from ... * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/ -> The group LyX/ * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ -> .../Devel/ even if a single wiki is used as a the backend. This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... And we're actually just talking about visual appearance, which can trivially be made differnt for different wiki groups... (If I create a file config/Official.php, that script is only executed * Main/ - what we have today * WWW/ * Official/ Main or official are OK to me. Ok, maybe Official is good... it indiciates a bit more severity /Christian [*] To do settings specific to a group, you can for instance create file local/Official.php and let that file contain: $Skin = 'lyx'; -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
>> Are we sure that all >> development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' >> devel pages?). > > Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
> > * www.lyx.org/-> ../Main/ > > * wiki.lyx.org/LyX/ -> The group LyX/ > > * wiki.lyx.org/Devel/ -> .../Devel/ > > This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all > development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some > 'official' devel pages?). on contrary i think we should keep the official part of development pages. maybe we can discuss which subsections are needed. the wiki part of devel pages is messy and shouldn't be mixed with official stuff. from my pov: - section Development News should be removed and its main page should be moved under development. - i also wonder about usefulness of "Stuff to read" section pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What do you mean with two servers? (I want to make sure we understand > each other here... www.lyx.org/ would be used to retrieve the official > web pages even if a single wiki is used). Yes. > It's trivial[*] to use different skins for different groups. In fact, > a wiki group was originally intended to be more or less a > self-contained wiki in itself. That is what I mean. >> This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all >> development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some >> official' devel pages?). > > Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... And we're actually > just talking about visual appearance, which can trivially be made > differnt for different wiki groups... There are the pages we care about, and the ramblings from developers (more like note keeping). We have to make sure the former is clear, the later is 'best-effort'. JMarc
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: This is definitely the outcome I would prefer. Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some official' devel pages?). Ok, it sounds like most agree that it's ok to use a single wiki, assuming we have the following mapping (entry points): URI->wiki:/ * wiki.lyx.org// / * www.lyx.org/ Official/ * www.lyx.org/devel/OfficialDevel/ The URI, www.lyx.org/devel, will point to the official developers' pages that we care about. When someone accesses the wiki through www.lyx.org/ and www.lyx.org/devel/, It is an open question what should happen if someone goes to the following URI: wiki.lyx.org/Official/, Is it ok if they are then shown the official URI? (But cannot edit it unless they log in?). Alternatively, we can redirect them to www.lyx.org/, or somewhere else. Note that a link such as [[Official/AboutLyX]] will still become a valid link and vice versa. Does anyone have objections to the above? regards, /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Pavel Sanda wrote: Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. You had me convinced a while back, but thanks for the additional motivation. If those wiki pages were up, I'd copy your post there! /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). >>> >>> Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... >> >> - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not >> - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you >> get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are >> you going. > > You had me convinced a while back, but thanks for the additional > motivation. If those wiki pages were up, I'd copy your post there! on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif i didn't find a way how to put it to wiki. Christian can you put it in, if you find this version better? pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Pavel Sanda wrote: Are we sure that all development pages should be in the wiki part (do we need some 'official' devel pages?). Hmm... not sure why we'd need that to be honest... - clear distinction of devel pages we care and we do not - its good to have some basic info for development newcomers, you get easily lost in wiki devel unless you know exactly where are you going. You had me convinced a while back, but thanks for the additional motivation. If those wiki pages were up, I'd copy your post there! on a different note: what about this header? http://195.113.31.123/~sanda/junk/header.gif i didn't find a way how to put it to wiki. Christian can you put it in, if you find this version better? In my opinion that logo looks just too unprofessional, especially when combined with the mascot. The colors are already back because of your request :) Joost
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
> combined with the mascot. The colors are already back because of your > request :) i really can't help it :D pavel
Re: [devel-list] Re: New LyX website
Joost Verburg wrote: In my opinion that logo looks just too unprofessional, especially when combined with the mascot. The colors are already back because of your request :) Joost What if we had some shadow or other contrast behind the letters of that "LyX" logo that's currently on www.lyx.org/test ? I think that would look nice. Maybe Andrei has ideas about that part, too. Rex
