Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
On 2023-01-27 07:30, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 19:26 +0100 schrieb Daniel: Anyway, for system default, there is a solutions that seem compatible with your position: Set the system default to 100% (and even better make the system default so that it matches the actual size of the font). There was a discussion about this on the list if I remember correctly. 100% is way too low on all Linux system I have used. This is not a good default. Ah, that was poor explanation on my side. I meant: whatever LyX considers the correct system default, say 150% on macOS, make that show up as 100%. Anyway, I also think the scaling factor alternative is better since it can satisfy more needs (for people who use a different default zoom). Daniel -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
Am Donnerstag, dem 26.01.2023 um 10:26 +0100 schrieb Daniel: > And in order to not confuse users about different percentages, we > would > call the "Default zoom %" just "Font scaling %" or so. It's already > in > the Preferences font section anyway between fonts and font sizes, so > the > user will make the connection easily. > > So, the default zoom will always be 100% but the default font scaling > can differ. This makes 10% increases round numbers. > > This will also make setting the font scaling to something more > reasonable appear less strange. For example, on macOS the default > zoom > is currently 150% while something closer to 152% is a better > representation of the actual font size on screen. We can calculate > the > exact number from the DPI of the display and set it as system defaut > and > also provide a "Reset to system default" button next to the "Font > scaling %". This makes more sense, but in order to separate it from zoom I would rather make it a scaling factor (e.g., 1.5) rather than a percentage value. -- Jürgen -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 19:26 +0100 schrieb Daniel: > Anyway, for system default, there is a solutions that seem compatible > with your position: > > Set the system default to 100% (and even better make the system > default > so that it matches the actual size of the font). There was a > discussion > about this on the list if I remember correctly. 100% is way too low on all Linux system I have used. This is not a good default. -- Jürgen -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
On 2023-01-25 19:26, Daniel wrote: On 2023-01-25 18:00, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 17:02 +0100 schrieb Daniel: I cannot reproduce with preview beta2. When clicking on +/-, I get steps of 15%. Given that the (system) default is 150%, Well, 15% is 10% of 150%. I cannot get to 200% that way. You need to set default zoom to either 100% or 200% to achieve that. Also, once one has used the slider, one cannot get "round numbers" anymore. I suggest to change it to how Word does it: the + and - buttons always get you to "round numbers" with steps of 10%. Then, for example, you can get fast to a certain point by using the slider and then adjust to a round number with +/-. This does not make sense to me, as you'd get a smaller range with 200% default zoom that way. The larger the default, the larger the steps. 20% jumps make perfect sense to me on my setting with 200% default zoom. Word does not have the concept of an adjustable default zoom AFAIK. They always have 100% as mean value. Same for Libre. It might not make sense to you but now you know that it does to some people who are using not 100% or 200% zoom default and rather, say, 150% like the system default (at least on macOS). Anyway, for system default, there is a solutions that seem compatible with your position: Set the system default to 100% (and even better make the system default so that it matches the actual size of the font). There was a discussion about this on the list if I remember correctly. That leaves people who are not happy with system default in the rain. You would lose round numbers that way, but I guess that is acceptable to you if you are consistent. Alternatively, just name whatever is set as the default 100%? Daniel And in order to not confuse users about different percentages, we would call the "Default zoom %" just "Font scaling %" or so. It's already in the Preferences font section anyway between fonts and font sizes, so the user will make the connection easily. So, the default zoom will always be 100% but the default font scaling can differ. This makes 10% increases round numbers. This will also make setting the font scaling to something more reasonable appear less strange. For example, on macOS the default zoom is currently 150% while something closer to 152% is a better representation of the actual font size on screen. We can calculate the exact number from the DPI of the display and set it as system defaut and also provide a "Reset to system default" button next to the "Font scaling %". If the approach sounds reasonable, and no one else wants the job, I can prepare a patch. Daniel -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
On 2023-01-25 18:00, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 17:02 +0100 schrieb Daniel: I cannot reproduce with preview beta2. When clicking on +/-, I get steps of 15%. Given that the (system) default is 150%, Well, 15% is 10% of 150%. I cannot get to 200% that way. You need to set default zoom to either 100% or 200% to achieve that. Also, once one has used the slider, one cannot get "round numbers" anymore. I suggest to change it to how Word does it: the + and - buttons always get you to "round numbers" with steps of 10%. Then, for example, you can get fast to a certain point by using the slider and then adjust to a round number with +/-. This does not make sense to me, as you'd get a smaller range with 200% default zoom that way. The larger the default, the larger the steps. 20% jumps make perfect sense to me on my setting with 200% default zoom. Word does not have the concept of an adjustable default zoom AFAIK. They always have 100% as mean value. Same for Libre. It might not make sense to you but now you know that it does to some people who are using not 100% or 200% zoom default and rather, say, 150% like the system default (at least on macOS). Anyway, for system default, there is a solutions that seem compatible with your position: Set the system default to 100% (and even better make the system default so that it matches the actual size of the font). There was a discussion about this on the list if I remember correctly. That leaves people who are not happy with system default in the rain. You would lose round numbers that way, but I guess that is acceptable to you if you are consistent. Alternatively, just name whatever is set as the default 100%? Daniel -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 17:02 +0100 schrieb Daniel: > I cannot reproduce with preview beta2. When clicking on +/-, I get > steps of 15%. Given that the (system) default is 150%, Well, 15% is 10% of 150%. > I cannot get to 200% that way. You need to set default zoom to either 100% or 200% to achieve that. > Also, once one has used the slider, one cannot get "round numbers" > anymore. I suggest to change it to how Word does it: the + > and - buttons always get you to "round numbers" with steps of 10%. > Then, for example, you can get fast to a certain point by using the > slider and then adjust to a round number with +/-. This does not make sense to me, as you'd get a smaller range with 200% default zoom that way. The larger the default, the larger the steps. 20% jumps make perfect sense to me on my setting with 200% default zoom. Word does not have the concept of an adjustable default zoom AFAIK. They always have 100% as mean value. Same for Libre. -- Jürgen -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
On 2023-01-25 07:53, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 09:43 +1300 schrieb Andrew Parsloe: The urge to get a round number like 150 or 200 is strong, almost compulsive, but fiddly with the slider requiring multiple attempts. The zoom slider values are relative to the zoom you have set in Preferences > Look & Feel > Screen Fonts. If you set that to 200% (or 100%), you'll get round numbers. Otherwise you get steps of 10% from the default. I cannot reproduce with preview beta2. When clicking on +/-, I get steps of 15%. Given that the (system) default is 150%, I cannot get to 200% that way. Also, once one has used the slider, one cannot get "round numbers" anymore. I suggest to change it to how Word does it: the + and - buttons always get you to "round numbers" with steps of 10%. Then, for example, you can get fast to a certain point by using the slider and then adjust to a round number with +/-. Daniel -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
Re: LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
Am Mittwoch, dem 25.01.2023 um 09:43 +1300 schrieb Andrew Parsloe: > The urge to get a round number like 150 or 200 is strong, almost > compulsive, but fiddly with the slider requiring multiple attempts. The zoom slider values are relative to the zoom you have set in Preferences > Look & Feel > Screen Fonts. If you set that to 200% (or 100%), you'll get round numbers. Otherwise you get steps of 10% from the default. Since default zoom might be arbitrary, it does not make sense to force round numbers here. -- Jürgen -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
LyX 2.4.0-beta2; zoom slider
I've downloaded and installed LyX 2.4.0-beta2 on a windows 10 machine, replacing 2.4.0 alpha3. (I haven't seen an announcement for beta2. I had to go searching for it.) No problems installing and after a week's use only one niggle (see below), no big issues (e.g. preview works well) and there are a number of appreciated visible enhancements over alpha3, e.g. around icons and status bar. The niggle: the zoom slider on the status bar is a trap for the unwary. Given a new toy of course one wants to play with it, slide it, click the little + and - buttons and see what the effect is and then try to get the zoom to a nice round number -- 200 in my case, and definitely not 198 or 203 etc. The trouble is that each adjustment of zoom level triggers a recalculation of instant previews. I had a number of long documents open, two of them with a multitude of previews each. My fiddling soon had the cpu racing at 100% and LyX stalling as thousands of previews were being generated. Perhaps there needs to be a wait time after the last slider adjustment before preview generation is triggered? The urge to get a round number like 150 or 200 is strong, almost compulsive, but fiddly with the slider requiring multiple attempts. Andrew -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel
