Re: problem with xfig import
In regards to the external inset, is there anyway to get lyx to show a preview of the external inset within lyx??? Or should this be a new feature? Pierre Helge Hafting wrote: Osvaldo Fornaro wrote: Hi, lyxers I have a problem to import xfig files with lyx 1.2.0. The error message is that file.eps is not found, so i think that the filter for import is not well defined. fig2dev exist in my system and works (and 1.1.6. worked ok). Xfig works fine with the external inset - it even lets you edit the image from lyx. There is a small problem, 1.2.0 as distributed uses the package graphichs instead of the correct graphicx when using the external xfig inset. That gives latex errors unless something else happens to use graphicx. \usepackage{graphicx} in the preamble is the simple solution. The permanent fix, which seems to get into 1.2.1 is to edit the file external_templates and change Requirement graphics to Requirement graphicx wherever you find it. Helge Hafting
Re: ASSISTANCE NEEDED
WILLIAMS KOJO wrote: WILLIAMS KOJO. AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT. FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. ECO BANK,LOME- TOGO. Dear Sir, I am WILLIAMS KOJO, the director in charge of auditing and accounting section of Eco Banque Lome,Republic of Togo with due respect and regard. This is the first time I've seen one of these on a mailing list. My CV has been posted on a number of tenders in West Africa, so I get about one a week. For anyone who has never received such an email, these are known as the 419 scam, and should be ignored at best. You can forward them to abuse@., but most of the time they come from hotmail (Could you take legal action against M$ for distributing them?) or similar services. Henk
Re: eps level2
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: it's a known problem with dvips. You can try to use the jpeg-format and running pdflatex with the dvi-option. Is it possible I use pdflatex to make a pdf file from lyx with lot of .pstex graphics format? Wayan
Re: eps level2
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:09:31 +0200 (MEST) From: Wayan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eps level2 On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: it's a known problem with dvips. You can try to use the jpeg-format and running pdflatex with the dvi-option. Is it possible I use pdflatex to make a pdf file from lyx with lot of .pstex graphics format? Wayan tex2pdf knows about pstex/pstex_t exports with fig2dev, and *should* know about eps/tex exports with transfig. -- Jean-Pierre
Viewing images in lyx-1.2
I am about to send a couple of gripes about viewing images in lyx-1.2. Rather than putting all in one large email, I preferred splitting things up, so they can be discussed separately. Let me state here that (despite my criticism) I greatly appreciate the effort the lyx team puts into giving us users the greatest document processor existing! I really think that the new mechanisms of handling graphics, defining formats and coverters and have the user decide how to convert what is great. Very flexible and powerful. Note, however, that I did not see this from the start. I am not used to be given this kind of power, and my first reaction was Uh, this seems complicated, why do I need to mess with the converters now when everything was automatic before?. Basically, since now I _can_ fix things that don't work (converters not defined correctly, not the right version of xforms, ImageMagick ...), I am _responsible_ for fixing them. No need to say that things were far from perfect before, but since there was not much I could do about it, I put up with it. I guess the more power the developers give to the user, the more they need to hold the hands of those who are not interested in power, but in ease of use. Jan
Viewing images in lyx1.2: Loading images blocks UI
When using lyx 1.1.6 loading images was _slow_, but did not hinder editing of the document. I opened up the docs, scrolled to the place I wanted to work on, and started typing away. The images showed up eventually. Not so in lyx1.2.1. I open up a document, and scroll to the place I want to work at. The images I come across when scrolling get loaded, and most of the time, I find myself projected back to the beginning of the document once they're done (the cursor is still up there, I don't have the time to place it elsewhere). I repeat this process, three to four times, until all images are loaded - very annoying. Yes, that'll teach me to use the navigate menu to jump directly to the place concerned. But I'll stumble across the images eventually, and whatever I'm doing at that moment is interrupted until the images show up. In summary, I much prefer _slow_ loading in the background over _fast_ loading blocking the UI. I always found that speed and constant availability of the UI was one of the neatest features of lyx. Made work very smooth. I hoped that the view-dvi and stuff could get moved to the background, too, so I was very disappointed to see that, on the contrary, image loading is done in foreground now. This is the reason I still prefer 1.1.6. Jan PS: I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22, on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Minor display error
When inserting a graphics (or when converting old files without extension for the graphics file names), an empty box shows up representing the image to be loaded, along with some message. When inserting the correct file name, the image gets loaded, and is shown correctly outside the original box but has some weird display inside this box. This goes away immediately on the first redraw of the canvas and is harmless, but does not look very professional when trying to convince others how great Lyx is... Jan PS : I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Displaying png and ps files
This may have been discussed on the list before, but I didn't find it in the archives. Displaying png files I think I heard once on the list that png files can be displayed directly. Is this only true for the internal image loader or with the xforms loader, too? I have quite a few of them and not having to convert them each time I open my thesis would speed up things considerably. Displaying ps files --- Is there a bug with the ps loader in xforms 0.89.6? I display eps files by converting them to ps using gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=$$o $$i (I think this was suggested on the list at some point). Reasonably fast, and the resulting .ps looks ok in gv. However the file never shows up in lyx (lyx -dbg graphics says: ... Image conversion succeeded. Loading image. xforms image loader. Status : Converting PS ... xforms image loader. Status : Loading PostScript xforms image loader. Error : LoadPS: no page written! Image loading failed. xforms image loader. Status : Error Reading Jan PS : I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Choice of the converter to use
By default a converter PNG-EPS is defined. Since I defined an EPS-PS converter, Lyx then converted PNG-EPS-PS and failed to load the image (see previous message). So I removed the PNG-EPS converter, so that the PNG-XPM get used. However, the images still didn't get loaded. lyx -dbg graphics shows that lyx converts PNG-XPM-EPS-PS! Lyx _can_ load xpm directly and does so, if I delete the EPS-PS converter. This is minor once one knows what happens. There are always ways to work around this, defining only the right converters. But it still seems odd. Jan PS : This has been verified using lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7, xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Caption command lost
Insert-Float-Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. Found nothing in bugzilla. Any clue ? lyx-1.2.0 -version LyX 1.2.0 of Thu, May 23, 2002 Built on May 29 2002, 20:20:53 Configuration Host type: sparc-sun-solaris2.6 Special build flags:included-string included-libsigc C Compiler: gcc C Compiler flags: -g -O2 C++ Compiler: g++ (2.95.2) C++ Compiler flags: -O -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions Linker flags:-L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-R/usr/local/lib Frontend: xforms libXpm version: 4.10 libforms version: 0.88.0 LyX binary dir: /usr/local/bin LyX files dir: /usr/local/share/lyx-1.2.0 -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Caption command lost
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Insert-Float-Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. This is maybe a different feature in new-lyx. You can define the caption as defining section, etc. Caption is in the bottom of this list. Wayan.
Re: Caption command lost
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Insert-Float-Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. one of these not so nice new features ... hit enter behind the figure/table, choose layout caption and enter it. Herbert
More on figures
Hi, I might be missing some really obvious configuration option, but I thought I'd ask anyway :) I am writing my thesis and a number of other documents. These have a large number of images, in most cases they are plots produced with gnuplot and exported as ps files. The syntax I use in gnuplot is set term postscript enhanced color Helvetica 18 This is fine, but for a couple of annoyances: (i) The plots are large, and need to be re-scaled to a reasonable size. At present, this means trial and error choosing of the scaling. is there a way to automate this? Also, some guidance as to how to get a readable font (other than using psfrag) automatically would be much appreciated (ii) All figures need to be rotated by -90 degrees. Again, another inconvenience. Anywhere where this can be set as a default? Also, in the PDFs produced with pdflatex, the images are not rotated. Note that changing the rotation changes the scaling of the latex representation of the image!!! (iii) An automatic caption environment would be most appreciated. i am restoring to adding the caption manually. All the above are minor nuisances, which might have to do with the configuration of Lyx. However, I noted that I spent most of my Lyx time fumbling about with images and tables and the such. Should I now move on to EEPIC? Many thanks, Jose -- José L Gómez Dans PhD student Tel: +44 114 222 5582 Radar Communications Group FAX; +44 870 132 2990 Department of Electronic Engineering University of Sheffield UK
Formatvorlage
Welche Formatvorlage von Bibtex verwendet man am besten für eine deutsche durchnummerierte Arbeit nach DIN 1505. Har
Re: More on figures
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-15] José Luis Gómez Dans wrote: This is fine, but for a couple of annoyances: (i) The plots are large, and need to be re-scaled to a reasonable size. At present, this means trial and error choosing of the scaling. is there a way to automate this? Also, some guidance as to how to get a readable font (other than using psfrag) automatically would be much appreciated just try one figure to make adjustment for font-, point- and line-size in gnuplot. The othes can follow this setting. (ii) All figures need to be rotated by -90 degrees. Again, another inconvenience. Anywhere where this can be set as a default? Also, in the PDFs produced with pdflatex, the images are not rotated. Note that changing the rotation changes the scaling of the latex representation of the image!!! I don't know, I have never used pdflatex, since all my figures are in eps (raster images). (iii) An automatic caption environment would be most appreciated. i am restoring to adding the caption manually. I don't know, lyx 1.2.0 seems to be making a caption manually...$-). All the above are minor nuisances, which might have to do with the configuration of Lyx. However, I noted that I spent most of my Lyx time fumbling about with images and tables and the such. Should I now move on to EEPIC? for gnuplot graphics is better with pslatex terminal then use insert file as \input{} in the lyx. Or you can also use fig terminal, which later can be edited with xfig and exported to pstex or eepic. Note: eepic does not support a rotating text for 90 degree (as I remember), i.e. for y-axes label, although you can do it by hand (editing the eepic output). Wayan
key binding for subscript.
Hello, I was using \bind C-l math-insert _ to map Ctrl-l to subscript under lyx1.1.6fix4. However, this key binding no longer works under 1.2. It actually insert a _ Anyone has any idea? Thanks. -- Bo Peng Department of Statistics Rice University http://www.stat.rice.edu/~bpeng Office: DH2076, (713) 348-2863
Re: key binding for subscript.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:35:08AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: I was thinking about something like this but I could not find such functions in lyx reference. Hm.. I know almost none of the new stuff is documented. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
tex commands not working
Hello I have a serious problem with lyx. If I don't fix this I must use pure tex in future. I HAVE TO use tex-code inside a lyx document. I have to put text into some graphics. But this leads to an error message I really do not understand. In pure latex it works for some reason. Example: \begin{figure}[h] \begin{center} \unitlength1cm \begin{picture}(14,8) \put(0.8,0.5){\includegraphics[width=10cm]{Keimbildung_tgif}} \put(5.5,0){Keimradius (willk. Einkeiten)} \end{picture} \label{Keimbildung} \end{center} \end{figure} When I try to use this a tex error occurs. It doesn't like the [width...]. Why? This is a legal command. And also the error message is strange: Paragraph ended before \Gin@iii was complete ...-8,0){Keimradius (willk. Einheiten)} \par I suspect you've forgotten a '}', .. What is \Gin@iii? And why is everything okay if I just leave out the [width=10cm]? This shouldn't affect the {s in my oppinion. greetings Axel
Re: tex commands not working
Axel Heinrici wrote: Hello I have a serious problem with lyx. If I don't fix this I must use pure tex in future. I HAVE TO use tex-code inside a lyx document. I have to put text into some graphics. But this leads to an error message I really do not understand. In pure latex it works for some reason. Example: \begin{figure}[h] \begin{center} \unitlength1cm \begin{picture}(14,8) \put(0.8,0.5){\includegraphics[width=10cm]{Keimbildung_tgif}} \put(5.5,0){Keimradius (willk. Einkeiten)} \end{picture} \label{Keimbildung} \end{center} \end{figure} I have no problems with this code. So please give a nonworking lyx-file. HErbert -- http://www.lyx.org/help/
Re: Formatvorlage
harmel wrote: Welche Formatvorlage von Bibtex verwendet man am besten für eine deutsche durchnummerierte Arbeit nach DIN 1505. http://www.haw-hamburg.de/pers/Lorenzen/bibtex/ Herbert -- http://www.lyx.org/help/
Lindows.com linking lyx.org
As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic Specifications: Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. bye, Thomas
Re: Lindows.com linking lyx.org
Hi: Here's why you're annoyed. Someone from Lyx needs to open discussions with those folks about integrity, professional ethics, and common netizen conduct. In fact, every open source project on there needs to do the same. What's really exciting, though, is that every Lindows user will be using more and more Open Source. Terrific, I say. Where do the software titles found in the Click-N-Run Warehouse come from? Lindows.com simply provides the marketplace to house applications that others develop. Publishers place the software in our warehouse, decide how to describe the software program, what price to charge, and so on. (Visit http://publish.lindows.com for details on how you can publish software titles in the Click-N-Run Warehouse.) http://www.lindows.com/products_clicknrun_whatis.php Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV -- http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/ -- Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!? Never heard of them. What did they do in technology except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing themselves ?!? [ modified quote from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- Thomas Templin wrote: As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic Specifications: Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. bye, Thomas
Re: Lindows.com linking lyx.org
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 06:29:10AM +0200, Thomas Templin wrote: As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic Specifications: Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. I agree. Should we do anything about that? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
Re: problem with xfig import
In regards to the external inset, is there anyway to get lyx to show a preview of the external inset within lyx??? Or should this be a new feature? Pierre Helge Hafting wrote: Osvaldo Fornaro wrote: Hi, lyxers I have a problem to import xfig files with lyx 1.2.0. The error message is that file.eps is not found, so i think that the filter for import is not well defined. fig2dev exist in my system and works (and 1.1.6. worked ok). Xfig works fine with the external inset - it even lets you edit the image from lyx. There is a small problem, 1.2.0 as distributed uses the package graphichs instead of the correct graphicx when using the external xfig inset. That gives latex errors unless something else happens to use graphicx. \usepackage{graphicx} in the preamble is the simple solution. The permanent fix, which seems to get into 1.2.1 is to edit the file external_templates and change Requirement graphics to Requirement graphicx wherever you find it. Helge Hafting
Re: ASSISTANCE NEEDED
WILLIAMS KOJO wrote: WILLIAMS KOJO. AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT. FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. ECO BANK,LOME- TOGO. Dear Sir, I am WILLIAMS KOJO, the director in charge of auditing and accounting section of Eco Banque Lome,Republic of Togo with due respect and regard. This is the first time I've seen one of these on a mailing list. My CV has been posted on a number of tenders in West Africa, so I get about one a week. For anyone who has never received such an email, these are known as the 419 scam, and should be ignored at best. You can forward them to abuse@., but most of the time they come from hotmail (Could you take legal action against M$ for distributing them?) or similar services. Henk
Re: eps level2
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: it's a known problem with dvips. You can try to use the jpeg-format and running pdflatex with the dvi-option. Is it possible I use pdflatex to make a pdf file from lyx with lot of .pstex graphics format? Wayan
Re: eps level2
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:09:31 +0200 (MEST) From: Wayan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: eps level2 On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: it's a known problem with dvips. You can try to use the jpeg-format and running pdflatex with the dvi-option. Is it possible I use pdflatex to make a pdf file from lyx with lot of .pstex graphics format? Wayan tex2pdf knows about pstex/pstex_t exports with fig2dev, and *should* know about eps/tex exports with transfig. -- Jean-Pierre
Viewing images in lyx-1.2
I am about to send a couple of gripes about viewing images in lyx-1.2. Rather than putting all in one large email, I preferred splitting things up, so they can be discussed separately. Let me state here that (despite my criticism) I greatly appreciate the effort the lyx team puts into giving us users the greatest document processor existing! I really think that the new mechanisms of handling graphics, defining formats and coverters and have the user decide how to convert what is great. Very flexible and powerful. Note, however, that I did not see this from the start. I am not used to be given this kind of power, and my first reaction was Uh, this seems complicated, why do I need to mess with the converters now when everything was automatic before?. Basically, since now I _can_ fix things that don't work (converters not defined correctly, not the right version of xforms, ImageMagick ...), I am _responsible_ for fixing them. No need to say that things were far from perfect before, but since there was not much I could do about it, I put up with it. I guess the more power the developers give to the user, the more they need to hold the hands of those who are not interested in power, but in ease of use. Jan
Viewing images in lyx1.2: Loading images blocks UI
When using lyx 1.1.6 loading images was _slow_, but did not hinder editing of the document. I opened up the docs, scrolled to the place I wanted to work on, and started typing away. The images showed up eventually. Not so in lyx1.2.1. I open up a document, and scroll to the place I want to work at. The images I come across when scrolling get loaded, and most of the time, I find myself projected back to the beginning of the document once they're done (the cursor is still up there, I don't have the time to place it elsewhere). I repeat this process, three to four times, until all images are loaded - very annoying. Yes, that'll teach me to use the navigate menu to jump directly to the place concerned. But I'll stumble across the images eventually, and whatever I'm doing at that moment is interrupted until the images show up. In summary, I much prefer _slow_ loading in the background over _fast_ loading blocking the UI. I always found that speed and constant availability of the UI was one of the neatest features of lyx. Made work very smooth. I hoped that the view-dvi and stuff could get moved to the background, too, so I was very disappointed to see that, on the contrary, image loading is done in foreground now. This is the reason I still prefer 1.1.6. Jan PS: I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22, on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Minor display error
When inserting a graphics (or when converting old files without extension for the graphics file names), an empty box shows up representing the image to be loaded, along with some message. When inserting the correct file name, the image gets loaded, and is shown correctly outside the original box but has some weird display inside this box. This goes away immediately on the first redraw of the canvas and is harmless, but does not look very professional when trying to convince others how great Lyx is... Jan PS : I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Displaying png and ps files
This may have been discussed on the list before, but I didn't find it in the archives. Displaying png files I think I heard once on the list that png files can be displayed directly. Is this only true for the internal image loader or with the xforms loader, too? I have quite a few of them and not having to convert them each time I open my thesis would speed up things considerably. Displaying ps files --- Is there a bug with the ps loader in xforms 0.89.6? I display eps files by converting them to ps using gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=$$o $$i (I think this was suggested on the list at some point). Reasonably fast, and the resulting .ps looks ok in gv. However the file never shows up in lyx (lyx -dbg graphics says: ... Image conversion succeeded. Loading image. xforms image loader. Status : Converting PS ... xforms image loader. Status : Loading PostScript xforms image loader. Error : LoadPS: no page written! Image loading failed. xforms image loader. Status : Error Reading Jan PS : I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Choice of the converter to use
By default a converter PNG-EPS is defined. Since I defined an EPS-PS converter, Lyx then converted PNG-EPS-PS and failed to load the image (see previous message). So I removed the PNG-EPS converter, so that the PNG-XPM get used. However, the images still didn't get loaded. lyx -dbg graphics shows that lyx converts PNG-XPM-EPS-PS! Lyx _can_ load xpm directly and does so, if I delete the EPS-PS converter. This is minor once one knows what happens. There are always ways to work around this, defining only the right converters. But it still seems odd. Jan PS : This has been verified using lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7, xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Caption command lost
Insert-Float-Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. Found nothing in bugzilla. Any clue ? lyx-1.2.0 -version LyX 1.2.0 of Thu, May 23, 2002 Built on May 29 2002, 20:20:53 Configuration Host type: sparc-sun-solaris2.6 Special build flags:included-string included-libsigc C Compiler: gcc C Compiler flags: -g -O2 C++ Compiler: g++ (2.95.2) C++ Compiler flags: -O -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions Linker flags:-L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-R/usr/local/lib Frontend: xforms libXpm version: 4.10 libforms version: 0.88.0 LyX binary dir: /usr/local/bin LyX files dir: /usr/local/share/lyx-1.2.0 -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Caption command lost
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Insert-Float-Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. This is maybe a different feature in new-lyx. You can define the caption as defining section, etc. Caption is in the bottom of this list. Wayan.
Re: Caption command lost
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: Insert-Float-Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. one of these not so nice new features ... hit enter behind the figure/table, choose layout caption and enter it. Herbert
More on figures
Hi, I might be missing some really obvious configuration option, but I thought I'd ask anyway :) I am writing my thesis and a number of other documents. These have a large number of images, in most cases they are plots produced with gnuplot and exported as ps files. The syntax I use in gnuplot is set term postscript enhanced color Helvetica 18 This is fine, but for a couple of annoyances: (i) The plots are large, and need to be re-scaled to a reasonable size. At present, this means trial and error choosing of the scaling. is there a way to automate this? Also, some guidance as to how to get a readable font (other than using psfrag) automatically would be much appreciated (ii) All figures need to be rotated by -90 degrees. Again, another inconvenience. Anywhere where this can be set as a default? Also, in the PDFs produced with pdflatex, the images are not rotated. Note that changing the rotation changes the scaling of the latex representation of the image!!! (iii) An automatic caption environment would be most appreciated. i am restoring to adding the caption manually. All the above are minor nuisances, which might have to do with the configuration of Lyx. However, I noted that I spent most of my Lyx time fumbling about with images and tables and the such. Should I now move on to EEPIC? Many thanks, Jose -- José L Gómez Dans PhD student Tel: +44 114 222 5582 Radar Communications Group FAX; +44 870 132 2990 Department of Electronic Engineering University of Sheffield UK
Formatvorlage
Welche Formatvorlage von Bibtex verwendet man am besten für eine deutsche durchnummerierte Arbeit nach DIN 1505. Har
Re: More on figures
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-15] José Luis Gómez Dans wrote: This is fine, but for a couple of annoyances: (i) The plots are large, and need to be re-scaled to a reasonable size. At present, this means trial and error choosing of the scaling. is there a way to automate this? Also, some guidance as to how to get a readable font (other than using psfrag) automatically would be much appreciated just try one figure to make adjustment for font-, point- and line-size in gnuplot. The othes can follow this setting. (ii) All figures need to be rotated by -90 degrees. Again, another inconvenience. Anywhere where this can be set as a default? Also, in the PDFs produced with pdflatex, the images are not rotated. Note that changing the rotation changes the scaling of the latex representation of the image!!! I don't know, I have never used pdflatex, since all my figures are in eps (raster images). (iii) An automatic caption environment would be most appreciated. i am restoring to adding the caption manually. I don't know, lyx 1.2.0 seems to be making a caption manually...$-). All the above are minor nuisances, which might have to do with the configuration of Lyx. However, I noted that I spent most of my Lyx time fumbling about with images and tables and the such. Should I now move on to EEPIC? for gnuplot graphics is better with pslatex terminal then use insert file as \input{} in the lyx. Or you can also use fig terminal, which later can be edited with xfig and exported to pstex or eepic. Note: eepic does not support a rotating text for 90 degree (as I remember), i.e. for y-axes label, although you can do it by hand (editing the eepic output). Wayan
key binding for subscript.
Hello, I was using \bind C-l math-insert _ to map Ctrl-l to subscript under lyx1.1.6fix4. However, this key binding no longer works under 1.2. It actually insert a _ Anyone has any idea? Thanks. -- Bo Peng Department of Statistics Rice University http://www.stat.rice.edu/~bpeng Office: DH2076, (713) 348-2863
Re: key binding for subscript.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:35:08AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: I was thinking about something like this but I could not find such functions in lyx reference. Hm.. I know almost none of the new stuff is documented. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
tex commands not working
Hello I have a serious problem with lyx. If I don't fix this I must use pure tex in future. I HAVE TO use tex-code inside a lyx document. I have to put text into some graphics. But this leads to an error message I really do not understand. In pure latex it works for some reason. Example: \begin{figure}[h] \begin{center} \unitlength1cm \begin{picture}(14,8) \put(0.8,0.5){\includegraphics[width=10cm]{Keimbildung_tgif}} \put(5.5,0){Keimradius (willk. Einkeiten)} \end{picture} \label{Keimbildung} \end{center} \end{figure} When I try to use this a tex error occurs. It doesn't like the [width...]. Why? This is a legal command. And also the error message is strange: Paragraph ended before \Gin@iii was complete ...-8,0){Keimradius (willk. Einheiten)} \par I suspect you've forgotten a '}', .. What is \Gin@iii? And why is everything okay if I just leave out the [width=10cm]? This shouldn't affect the {s in my oppinion. greetings Axel
Re: tex commands not working
Axel Heinrici wrote: Hello I have a serious problem with lyx. If I don't fix this I must use pure tex in future. I HAVE TO use tex-code inside a lyx document. I have to put text into some graphics. But this leads to an error message I really do not understand. In pure latex it works for some reason. Example: \begin{figure}[h] \begin{center} \unitlength1cm \begin{picture}(14,8) \put(0.8,0.5){\includegraphics[width=10cm]{Keimbildung_tgif}} \put(5.5,0){Keimradius (willk. Einkeiten)} \end{picture} \label{Keimbildung} \end{center} \end{figure} I have no problems with this code. So please give a nonworking lyx-file. HErbert -- http://www.lyx.org/help/
Re: Formatvorlage
harmel wrote: Welche Formatvorlage von Bibtex verwendet man am besten für eine deutsche durchnummerierte Arbeit nach DIN 1505. http://www.haw-hamburg.de/pers/Lorenzen/bibtex/ Herbert -- http://www.lyx.org/help/
Lindows.com linking lyx.org
As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic Specifications: Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. bye, Thomas
Re: Lindows.com linking lyx.org
Hi: Here's why you're annoyed. Someone from Lyx needs to open discussions with those folks about integrity, professional ethics, and common netizen conduct. In fact, every open source project on there needs to do the same. What's really exciting, though, is that every Lindows user will be using more and more Open Source. Terrific, I say. Where do the software titles found in the Click-N-Run Warehouse come from? Lindows.com simply provides the marketplace to house applications that others develop. Publishers place the software in our warehouse, decide how to describe the software program, what price to charge, and so on. (Visit http://publish.lindows.com for details on how you can publish software titles in the Click-N-Run Warehouse.) http://www.lindows.com/products_clicknrun_whatis.php Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV -- http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/ -- Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!? Never heard of them. What did they do in technology except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing themselves ?!? [ modified quote from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- Thomas Templin wrote: As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic Specifications: Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. bye, Thomas
Re: Lindows.com linking lyx.org
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 06:29:10AM +0200, Thomas Templin wrote: As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic Specifications: Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. I agree. Should we do anything about that? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
Re: problem with xfig import
In regards to the external inset, is there anyway to get lyx to show a preview of the external inset within lyx??? Or should this be a new feature? Pierre Helge Hafting wrote: > Osvaldo Fornaro wrote: > >>Hi, lyxers >> >>I have a problem to import xfig files with lyx 1.2.0. The error message is >>that file.eps is not found, so i think that the filter for import is not well >>defined. fig2dev exist in my system and works (and 1.1.6. worked ok). > > > Xfig works fine with the external inset - it even lets > you edit the image from lyx. > > There is a small problem, 1.2.0 as distributed uses the package > "graphichs" instead of the correct "graphicx" when using > the external xfig inset. That gives latex errors unless > something else happens to use graphicx. > > \usepackage{graphicx} in the preamble is the simple > solution. The permanent fix, which seems to get into 1.2.1 > is to edit the file external_templates and change > > Requirement "graphics" > to > Requirement "graphicx" > > wherever you find it. > > > Helge Hafting >
Re: ASSISTANCE NEEDED
WILLIAMS KOJO wrote: >WILLIAMS KOJO. >AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT. >FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT. >ECO BANK,LOME- TOGO. > > >Dear Sir, > >I am WILLIAMS KOJO, the director in charge of auditing >and accounting section of Eco Banque Lome,Republic of >Togo with due respect and regard. > This is the first time I've seen one of these on a mailing list. My CV has been posted on a number of tenders in West Africa, so I get about one a week. For anyone who has never received such an email, these are known as the 419 scam, and should be ignored at best. You can forward them to abuse@., but most of the time they come from hotmail (Could you take legal action against M$ for distributing them?) or similar services. Henk
Re: eps level2
On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: > it's a known problem with dvips. > You can try to use the jpeg-format and running pdflatex with > the dvi-option. Is it possible I use pdflatex to make a pdf file from lyx with lot of .pstex graphics format? Wayan
Re: eps level2
>>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:09:31 +0200 (MEST) >>From: Wayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: eps level2 >> >> >>On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Herbert Voss wrote: >> >>> it's a known problem with dvips. >>> You can try to use the jpeg-format and running pdflatex with >>> the dvi-option. >> >>Is it possible I use pdflatex to make a pdf file from lyx with lot of >>.pstex graphics format? >> >>Wayan >> tex2pdf knows about pstex/pstex_t exports with fig2dev, and *should* know about eps/tex exports with transfig. -- Jean-Pierre
Viewing images in lyx-1.2
I am about to send a couple of gripes about viewing images in lyx-1.2. Rather than putting all in one large email, I preferred splitting things up, so they can be discussed separately. Let me state here that (despite my criticism) I greatly appreciate the effort the lyx team puts into giving us users the greatest document processor existing! I really think that the new mechanisms of handling graphics, defining formats and coverters and have the user decide how to convert what is great. Very flexible and powerful. Note, however, that I did not see this from the start. I am not used to be given this kind of power, and my first reaction was "Uh, this seems complicated, why do I need to mess with the converters now when everything was automatic before?". Basically, since now I _can_ fix things that don't work (converters not defined correctly, not the right version of xforms, ImageMagick ...), I am _responsible_ for fixing them. No need to say that things were far from perfect before, but since there was not much I could do about it, I put up with it. I guess the more power the developers give to the user, the more they need to hold the hands of those who are not interested in power, but in ease of use. Jan
Viewing images in lyx1.2: Loading images blocks UI
When using lyx 1.1.6 loading images was _slow_, but did not hinder editing of the document. I opened up the docs, scrolled to the place I wanted to work on, and started typing away. The images showed up eventually. Not so in lyx1.2.1. I open up a document, and scroll to the place I want to work at. The images I come across when scrolling get loaded, and most of the time, I find myself projected back to the beginning of the document once they're done (the cursor is still up there, I don't have the time to place it elsewhere). I repeat this process, three to four times, until all images are loaded - very annoying. Yes, that'll teach me to use the navigate menu to jump directly to the place concerned. But I'll stumble across the images eventually, and whatever I'm doing at that moment is interrupted until the images show up. In summary, I much prefer _slow_ loading in the background over _fast_ loading blocking the UI. I always found that speed and constant availability of the UI was one of the neatest features of lyx. Made work very smooth. I hoped that the view->dvi and stuff could get moved to the background, too, so I was very disappointed to see that, on the contrary, image loading is done in foreground now. This is the reason I still prefer 1.1.6. Jan PS: I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22, on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Minor display error
When inserting a graphics (or when converting old files without extension for the graphics file names), an empty box shows up representing the image to be loaded, along with some message. When inserting the correct file name, the image gets loaded, and is shown correctly outside the original box but has some weird display inside this box. This goes away immediately on the first redraw of the canvas and is harmless, but does not look very professional when trying to convince others how great Lyx is... Jan PS : I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Displaying png and ps files
This may have been discussed on the list before, but I didn't find it in the archives. Displaying png files I think I heard once on the list that png files can be displayed directly. Is this only true for the internal image loader or with the xforms loader, too? I have quite a few of them and not having to convert them each time I open my thesis would speed up things considerably. Displaying ps files --- Is there a bug with the ps loader in xforms 0.89.6? I display eps files by converting them to ps using "gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dSAFER -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=$$o $$i" (I think this was suggested on the list at some point). Reasonably fast, and the resulting .ps looks ok in gv. However the file never shows up in lyx (lyx -dbg graphics says: ... Image conversion succeeded. Loading image. xforms image loader. Status : Converting PS ... xforms image loader. Status : Loading PostScript xforms image loader. Error : LoadPS: no page written! Image loading failed. xforms image loader. Status : Error Reading Jan PS : I use lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7 and Linux(i386, Debian Potato). Both systems have xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Viewing images in lyx-1.2: Choice of the converter to use
By default a converter PNG->EPS is defined. Since I defined an EPS->PS converter, Lyx then converted PNG->EPS->PS and failed to load the image (see previous message). So I removed the PNG->EPS converter, so that the PNG->XPM get used. However, the images still didn't get loaded. "lyx -dbg graphics" shows that lyx converts PNG->XPM->EPS->PS! Lyx _can_ load xpm directly and does so, if I delete the EPS->PS converter. This is minor once one knows what happens. There are always ways to work around this, defining only the right converters. But it still seems odd. Jan PS : This has been verified using lyx1.2.1cvs as of june 22 on Solaris(sparc) 2.7, xforms 0.89.6 and Image Magick 5.4.5.
Caption command lost
Insert->Float->Figure opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), which is then missing in the document. The caption command is simply lost... Same behaviour with tables. Found nothing in bugzilla. Any clue ? >lyx-1.2.0 -version LyX 1.2.0 of Thu, May 23, 2002 Built on May 29 2002, 20:20:53 Configuration Host type: sparc-sun-solaris2.6 Special build flags:included-string included-libsigc C Compiler: gcc C Compiler flags: -g -O2 C++ Compiler: g++ (2.95.2) C++ Compiler flags: -O -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions Linker flags:-L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-R/usr/local/lib Frontend: xforms libXpm version: 4.10 libforms version: 0.88.0 LyX binary dir: /usr/local/bin LyX files dir: /usr/local/share/lyx-1.2.0 -- Jean-Pierre
Re: Caption command lost
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: > Insert->Float->Figure > opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), > which is then missing in the document. > > The caption command is simply lost... > Same behaviour with tables. This is maybe a different feature in new-lyx. You can define the caption as defining section, etc. Caption is in the bottom of this list. Wayan.
Re: Caption command lost
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jean-Pierre.Chretien wrote: > Insert->Float->Figure > opens a floating figure without the Figure (#), > which is then missing in the document. > > The caption command is simply lost... > Same behaviour with tables. one of these not so nice new features ... hit enter behind the figure/table, choose layout caption and enter it. Herbert
More on figures
Hi, I might be missing some really obvious configuration option, but I thought I'd ask anyway :) I am writing my thesis and a number of other documents. These have a large number of images, in most cases they are plots produced with gnuplot and exported as ps files. The syntax I use in gnuplot is set term postscript enhanced color "Helvetica" 18 This is fine, but for a couple of annoyances: (i) The plots are large, and need to be re-scaled to a reasonable size. At present, this means trial and error choosing of the scaling. is there a way to automate this? Also, some guidance as to how to get a readable font (other than using psfrag) automatically would be much appreciated (ii) All figures need to be rotated by -90 degrees. Again, another inconvenience. Anywhere where this can be set as a default? Also, in the PDFs produced with pdflatex, the images are not rotated. Note that changing the rotation changes the scaling of the latex representation of the image!!! (iii) An automatic caption environment would be most appreciated. i am restoring to adding the caption manually. All the above are minor nuisances, which might have to do with the configuration of Lyx. However, I noted that I spent most of my Lyx time fumbling about with images and tables and the such. Should I now move on to EEPIC? Many thanks, Jose -- José L Gómez Dans PhD student Tel: +44 114 222 5582 Radar & Communications Group FAX; +44 870 132 2990 Department of Electronic Engineering University of Sheffield UK
Formatvorlage
Welche Formatvorlage von Bibtex verwendet man am besten für eine deutsche durchnummerierte Arbeit nach DIN 1505. Har
Re: More on figures
On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, [iso-8859-15] José Luis Gómez Dans wrote: > This is fine, but for a couple of annoyances: (i) The plots are > large, and need to be re-scaled to a reasonable size. At present, this > means trial and error choosing of the scaling. is there a way to > automate this? Also, some guidance as to how to get a readable font > (other than using psfrag) automatically would be much appreciated just try one figure to make adjustment for font-, point- and line-size in gnuplot. The othes can follow this setting. > (ii) All figures need to be rotated by -90 degrees. Again, another > inconvenience. Anywhere where this can be set as a default? Also, in the > PDFs produced with pdflatex, the images are not rotated. Note that > changing the rotation changes the scaling of the latex representation of > the image!!! I don't know, I have never used pdflatex, since all my figures are in eps (raster images). > (iii) An automatic caption environment would be most appreciated. i am > restoring to adding the caption manually. I don't know, lyx 1.2.0 seems to be making a caption manually...$-). > All the above are minor nuisances, which might have to do with the > configuration of Lyx. However, I noted that I spent most of my Lyx time > fumbling about with images and tables and the such. Should I now move on > to EEPIC? for gnuplot graphics is better with pslatex terminal then use insert file as \input{} in the lyx. Or you can also use fig terminal, which later can be edited with xfig and exported to pstex or eepic. Note: eepic does not support a rotating text for 90 degree (as I remember), i.e. for y-axes label, although you can do it by hand (editing the eepic output). Wayan
key binding for subscript.
Hello, I was using \bind "math-insert _" to map Ctrl-l to subscript under lyx1.1.6fix4. However, this key binding no longer works under 1.2. It actually insert a _ Anyone has any idea? Thanks. -- Bo Peng Department of Statistics Rice University http://www.stat.rice.edu/~bpeng Office: DH2076, (713) 348-2863
Re: key binding for subscript.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 10:35:08AM -0500, Bo Peng wrote: > I was thinking about something like this but I could not find such > functions in lyx reference. Hm.. I know almost none of the new stuff is documented. Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
tex commands not working
Hello I have a serious problem with lyx. If I don't fix this I must use pure tex in future. I HAVE TO use tex-code inside a lyx document. I have to put text into some graphics. But this leads to an error message I really do not understand. In pure latex it works for some reason. Example: "\begin{figure}[h] \begin{center} \unitlength1cm \begin{picture}(14,8) \put(0.8,0.5){\includegraphics[width=10cm]{Keimbildung_tgif}} \put(5.5,0){Keimradius (willk. Einkeiten)} \end{picture} \label{Keimbildung} \end{center} \end{figure}" When I try to use this a tex error occurs. It doesn't like the [width...]. Why? This is a legal command. And also the error message is strange: "Paragraph ended before \Gin@iii was complete ...-8,0){Keimradius (willk. Einheiten)} \par I suspect you've forgotten a '}', .." What is \Gin@iii? And why is everything okay if I just leave out the "[width=10cm]"? This shouldn't affect the {s in my oppinion. greetings Axel
Re: tex commands not working
Axel Heinrici wrote: > Hello > I have a serious problem with lyx. If I don't fix this I must use > pure tex in future. I HAVE TO use tex-code inside a lyx document. > I have to put text into some graphics. But this leads to an error > message I really do not understand. In pure latex it works for some > reason. > > Example: > "\begin{figure}[h] > \begin{center} > \unitlength1cm > \begin{picture}(14,8) > \put(0.8,0.5){\includegraphics[width=10cm]{Keimbildung_tgif}} > \put(5.5,0){Keimradius (willk. Einkeiten)} > \end{picture} > \label{Keimbildung} > \end{center} > \end{figure}" I have no problems with this code. So please give a nonworking lyx-file. HErbert -- http://www.lyx.org/help/
Re: Formatvorlage
harmel wrote: > Welche Formatvorlage von Bibtex verwendet man am besten für eine > deutsche durchnummerierte Arbeit nach DIN 1505. http://www.haw-hamburg.de/pers/Lorenzen/bibtex/ Herbert -- http://www.lyx.org/help/
Lindows.com linking lyx.org
As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so called click and run offer. http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is offerred "Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members" Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. topic "Specifications": Version 1.1.6fix4-2 To my point of view at least annoying. bye, Thomas
Re: Lindows.com linking lyx.org
Hi: Here's why you're annoyed. Someone from Lyx needs to open discussions with those folks about integrity, professional ethics, and common netizen conduct. In fact, every open source project on there needs to do the same. What's really exciting, though, is that every Lindows user will be using more and more Open Source. Terrific, I say. "Where do the software titles found in the Click-N-Run Warehouse come from? Lindows.com simply provides the marketplace to house applications that others develop. "Publishers" place the software in our warehouse, decide how to describe the software program, what price to charge, and so on. (Visit http://publish.lindows.com for details on how you can publish software titles in the Click-N-Run Warehouse.)" http://www.lindows.com/products_clicknrun_whatis.php Thanks, Tom Poe Reno, NV -- http://www.studioforrecording.org/ http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ http://renotahoe.pm.org/ -- Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!? Never heard of them. What did they do in technology except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing themselves ?!? [ modified quote from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] -- Thomas Templin wrote: > As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. > Take a Look at www.lindows.com. > As you can see the following link only points to a page whith a so > called click and run offer. > http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 > Download is offerred "Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members" > Not a word about where or even how to get LyX. > topic "Specifications": Version 1.1.6fix4-2 > > To my point of view at least annoying. > bye, > Thomas > >
Re: Lindows.com linking lyx.org
On Thu, Jun 27, 2002 at 06:29:10AM +0200, Thomas Templin wrote: > As I ve seen Lindows.com seems to try making money with LyX. Take a Look > at www.lindows.com. As you can see the following link only points to a > page whith a so called click and run offer. > http://www.lindows.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=135 Download is > offerred "Free to Click-N-Run Warehouse Members" Not a word about where > or even how to get LyX. topic "Specifications": Version 1.1.6fix4-2 > > To my point of view at least annoying. I agree. Should we do anything about that? Andre' -- Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)