Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Bo Peng wrote: I was talking about the same thing as Yaron, Cutting Pasting from Non-LyX Windows. And another session of lyx. If you have two lyx windows open, you can not paste selection from another window. That'd be nice to have, yes. Fortunately, there is a workaround for this particular problem. Open both files with the same instance of lyx, then you can cut and paste between them. You can only see one file on the screen at a time though. And of course this technique doesn't help those of us who run lyx on several computers and display them all on one display. But then - you'd have a hard time doing that with other word processors anyway. Helge Hafting
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
John Pye writes: Sven Schreiber wrote: If other users are also concerned about the copypaste-situation, please make your opinion visible on this list as well. (in a friendly way, of course) This has been an issue for me too. For me, too, but I've said nothing as I assumed that this had already been fixed in 1.4. Perhaps I should mention my other pet peeve (in the hope that it has been fixed in 1.4): the search command that is not smart enough to start at the beginning when at the bottom of the file. It doesn't have to happen automatically, but even kdvi pops up a small menu with the question and default yes answer: Reached bottom of file, shall I continue from beginning? (And I'd love to have: 1. regexes within the LyX search function 2. search/replace that will also handle ERTs 3. or at least a search/replace wild card option: find Joh*son (for example). But, I will wait until I upgrade to 1.4 (or at least 1.3.7) before offering any other suggestions (and will then post them to the bugzilla as well). -Kevin -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiros-Translations
Re: kio_http
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von kio_http lässt sich nicht starten Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) /C Wolfgang -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: page break top/bottom versus above/below
Kevin == Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Hi all, I just noticed a terminology inconsistency, but I'm Kevin using 1.3.5, so I don't know if it's been caught already. Kevin If you select Page Breaks (Above / Below) in the Paragraph Kevin Layout menu, you will get Page Break (top) or Page Break Kevin (bottom) as the result. Kevin I prefer above/below (relative to where the line where the Kevin break is being inserted) and might even suggest that top/bottom Kevin is wrong, but either way, shouldn't it be consistent? Page breaks are now independent insets in 1.4, so the issue is moot. JMarc
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Roy Keene schrieb: I just tried to install LyX for Windows (Complete) and upon completion LyX would not start until I executed: copy c:\program files\lyx\resources\*.lst c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX\ Also, when I ran Reconfigure the standard reconfigure occured, but never finished and when I re-ran LyX I got an error about not being able to open textclass.lst Deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer (complete or small version). regards Uwe
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: It works great. Your solution was excellent. This solution?: If the latter is the case, deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer. regards Uwe
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Mr. Stohr, This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Uwe St?hr wrote: Roy Keene schrieb: I just tried to install LyX for Windows (Complete) and upon completion LyX would not start until I executed: copy c:\program files\lyx\resources\*.lst c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX\ Also, when I ran Reconfigure the standard reconfigure occured, but never finished and when I re-ran LyX I got an error about not being able to open textclass.lst Deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer (complete or small version). regards Uwe
Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? thanks, jerome
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Roy Keene wrote: This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. And you also didn't get an error message from the installer that the configuration wasn't successful? I have no explanation for this. If the reinstall doesn't help, delete the folder c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX manually and then reconfigure LyX. If this also doesn't help, start LyX from a command line with the command lyx -dbg 3 , reconfigure LyX and report me what you see there. regards Uwe
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: It works great. Your solution was excellent. This solution?: If the latter is the case, deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer. regards Uwe
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Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Mr. Stohr, I got no error message during installation, and LyX works fine after performing the steps outlined in my first message (tested PDF and DVI output). I'll have to get back to you on the output as I'll be away from that Windows system for 2 weeks, or more. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Uwe St??hr wrote: Roy Keene wrote: This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. And you also didn't get an error message from the installer that the configuration wasn't successful? I have no explanation for this. If the reinstall doesn't help, delete the folder c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX manually and then reconfigure LyX. If this also doesn't help, start LyX from a command line with the command lyx -dbg 3 , reconfigure LyX and report me what you see there. regards Uwe
Re: Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
* jerome666 (2006-01-30): Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? Install MacDVI :), reconfigure LyX, change the viewer (File Format DVI) in LyX to open. If you prefer PostScript (PS) output with the X11 apllication gv, this works (around) for me: \viewer ps open -a X11 ; sleep 5 ; ps aux|grep gv|grep -v grep || gv -Andre
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Mistakenly sent off-list by Dr. Hellmut Weber: Hi list, If other users are also concerned about the copypaste-situation, please make your opinion visible on this list as well. (in a friendly way, of course) I've been a LaTeX user for many years until I found LyX which is now my favorite already for several years. Quite often I encounter the copy/paste-problem, since for raw text or program code I'm an old vi- (now ViM-) addict. So in the case ViM -- LyX ihave first to mark the area (which requires careful selction of the area) then I can paste it with ctrl-v into LyX loosing the line breaks. Not understanding the details, I suppose nevertheless the reason for the copy/paste-problem is the neither LyX nor ViM are really integrated into KDE. Is this assumption correct? For business reasons I'm obliged to produce some documents in Word-Format. The copy/paste-comfort offered by Windows is to be considered THE reference for any system which wants to compete. I'm very sorry about that but that's one of the arguments I hear often when discussing Windows/Linux even with people who are intereseted and willing to consider a move. I'm working on an IBM T22 Laptop with gentoo-Linux, KDE-3.5.0, tetex-2.0.2, LyX-1.3.5, Word 2000 under Windows 98 running in a Win4Lin-5.0 box. Greetings from Munich Hellmut -- Dr. Hellmut Weber Degenfeldstraße 2, D - 80803 München-Schwabing tel (+49 89) 3081172, mobil (+49 172) 8450321 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Hellmut Weber wrote: For business reasons I'm obliged to produce some documents in Word-Format. The copy/paste-comfort offered by Windows is to be considered THE reference for any system which wants to compete. I think that the 'rich' copy/paste technology clearly exists on Linux, but it seems that only a few applications are using it effectively: it works fine for 'rich' text from open office to thunderbird, and from firefox to thunderbird. It works for copying rich text with graphics and tables from firefox to openoffice. It works for copying bitmap selections from Kolour Paint to Open Office. It doesn't for the GIMP, and it doesn't work for DIA. It appears not to work from Inkscape to OpenOffice. I haven't tried AbiWord either. I found that there is a reference to cut/paste in freedesktop.org, which ties together KDE and GNOME common functionality: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager That in turn refers to http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/sec-2.html#s-2.6.3 So it seems that it's a case of getting Lyx to be a bit aware of how this is done and hopefully reproduce some of that functionality. I'm sure it's not simple, but maybe it's something that could get put on the list if enough people would use it. Cheers
Re: kio_http
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 10:18 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von kio_http lässt sich nicht starten Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) yes, Christian, should have gone to the linux user group Tuebingen, got the wrong one. Sorry about it. Wolfgang
Re: kio_http
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 10:18 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von kio_http lässt sich nicht starten Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) yes, Christian, should have gone to the linux user group Tuebingen, got the wrong one. Sorry about it. No worries, just thought you'd like to know in case you were expecting some kind of response :-) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
On Sunday 29 January 2006 17:20, Rich Shepard wrote: I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on specific issues raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the original post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed documents to produce HTML for Web pages? Because you can worry once about the format and other times about content? :-) I have used lyx before precisely for this. I am no example in this regard. :-D My point is just that sometimes it makes sense, it is not a far fetched example. As usual the devil is in the details... :-) -- José Abílio
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: The first solution works fine. Good. By the way, is it better to delete a previous version before installing a new one or can we - by using your installer - install a new version over an old one? In the case of LyX, yes. The installer takes also care of third party programs, like Imagemagick, Ghostscript etc. To assure that everything works smoothly, deinstall LyX first before you install a new LyX-version. regards Uwe
Re: Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:02 AM, Andre Berger wrote: * jerome666 (2006-01-30): Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? Install MacDVI :), reconfigure LyX, change the viewer (File Format DVI) in LyX to open. If you prefer PostScript (PS) output with the X11 apllication gv, this works (around) for me: \viewer ps open -a X11 ; sleep 5 ; ps aux|grep gv|grep -v grep || gv Without X11, the official Mac way is to define a viewer within the Finder. So select any .dvi file in the Finder, do File Get Info, and change the Open with drop-down box to some appropriate viewer (such as MacDviX or TeXShop, for example). Make sure you hit the Change all... button to make that be the default viewer for all .dvi files. Then LyX should just work. (LyX should work because the default viewer for .dvi files -- as for .pdf, .ps, etc. -- is simply open, which merely passes the file to be opened off to the Finder.) Bennett
Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Hi. I built Debian packages of LyX 1.3.7 according to the instructions at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnLinux. The packages can be found at http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuettler/lyx/ I have Sarge installed here, but I don't know how clean it is. I suppose it should be alright, though. Greetings, Heiner
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Heinrich Kuettler wrote: Hi. I built Debian packages of LyX 1.3.7 according to the instructions at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnLinux. Hi Heiner I just moved those instructions to http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnDebian in case you or anyone else looks for them. They probably make more sense on a page of their own. The packages can be found at http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuettler/lyx/ I have Sarge installed here, but I don't know how clean it is. I suppose it should be alright, though. Why don't you upload it to ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/ as per the instructions? If you are worried about your installation not being clean enough, maybe you could attach -heiner at the end of the package file to indicate it's your package? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
[LyX Wiki] Tip for writing nice wiki links with less typing
Hi People not interested in the wiki can stop reading now ;-) Have you ever felt that it's very annoying having to repeat yourself when writing a link to something like a file? Do you write all of this [[http://something.org/coolthings-i386-v1.zip - coolthings-i386-v1.zip]] just to get a nice and short link text? Well, dont! Instead, use a pair of parentheses, '()', to hide the parts of the link, like this: [[(http://something.org/)coolthings-i386-v1.zip]] ! ! This is clever since by avoiding duplicate work, you not only have to type less but also reduce the chance of an error. Btw, this works in all [[...]]-links, so when linking to a page with a long name, you can do the same thing, e.g. [[(PageWithReallyReally) Long (Name)]] See here for an example: http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground/PageWithReallyReallyLongName /Christian PS. And as usual, you're welcome to play in the sandboxes in the playground http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
Hi, I just installed the 1.3.7 on two windows machines (XP and 2000) which had aspell preinstalled in c:/aspell. I cannot get lyx to use aspell. What should I do. I changed the preview to call : acrord32.exe because there was nothing there. Now it calls acrobat reader but the reader always says file not found Any ideas? (sorry if these questions have already been asked. I couldn't find out how to search the mailing lists...) Primrose
Re: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
Hi, I just installed the 1.3.7 on two windows machines (XP and 2000) which had aspell preinstalled in c:/aspell. I cannot get lyx to use aspell. What should I do. When you say this what do you mean? If you produce a test doc with clearly misspelled words and put the cursor at the start of the doc and select spell check from teh menu what happens? Do you hjave a dictrionary installed? ON the other hand if you are trying to change ispell to aspell in the preferences then this wont work. It always says I spell. I changed the preview to call : acrord32.exe because there was nothing there. Now it calls acrobat reader but the reader always says file not found Any ideas? (sorry if these questions have already been asked. I couldn't find out how to search the mailing lists...) Is the reader open before the call to view pdf? Try closing acrobat andf then selecting preview in lyx. Primrose
RE: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
When you say this what do you mean? If you produce a test doc with clearly misspelled words and put the cursor at the start of the doc and select spell check from teh menu what happens? Absolutely nothing... No feedback whatsoever... Do you hjave a dictrionary installed? Yes I have the dictionaries I need installed (3 of them) ON the other hand if you are trying to change ispell to aspell in the preferences then this wont work. It always says I spell. Ok but that was not really my main goal. Is the reader open before the call to view pdf? Try closing acrobat andf then selecting preview in lyx. No the reader was not started. I have tried this but to no avail, Thank you! Primrose
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
I uploaded it to the incoming directory, together with a readme file. I hope I did it correctly, since I can't see any files as anonymous. Maybe someone can compare file sizes, this is what I uploaded: -rw-r--r-- 1 11598 2006-01-30 14:38 lyx_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_all.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 3882966 2006-01-30 14:38 lyx-common_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_all.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 1560836 2006-01-30 14:36 lyx-qt_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 1470066 2006-01-30 14:36 lyx-xforms_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 551 2006-01-30 19:12 README.Debian Greetings, Heiner
RE: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
My error! I found out I had arcobat running in the background. The error is gone now that I have killed the process. Aspell now does something after the nth reconfigure (on the win2000 box I mean. I still have to try reconfiguring the one on win XP). Thanks for the help! Primrose
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 19:21 schrieb Heinrich Kuettler: I uploaded it to the incoming directory, together with a readme file. Many thanks. I hope I did it correctly, since I can't see any files as anonymous. That is intentional (otherwise the incoming directory could be abused to spread all sorts of evil stuff) Georg
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Georg Baum schrieb: Am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2006 21:55 schrieb Sven Schreiber: So should bug 2138 be broadened to cover external copypaste from other applications as well, or should a new bug be opened? Do as you like :-) (if you open another bug, please link it as related to 2138) Ok, for the rest of the list: I have added the following comment to the bug (http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2138): --- Additional Comment #1 From Sven Schreiber 2006-01-30 13:23 --- If technically possible, it would be great to fix the whole copy/paste-from-the-OS-clipboard-issue at the same time. I believe the external-copy/paste shortcoming is very serious because I cannot think of any other app with less support for system-wide copying and pasting. For most users, the shortcuts Ctrl-c,x,v are the first (and sometimes the only ones) they ever learn, no matter whether they are on Linux, Win, or Mac. It seems likely that many of them discard Lyx after their first copy/paste-experience. (Ok, this is a bit speculative...) (obligatory anti-flame disclaimer: apart from that, lyx is great) -Sven
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg That is intentional (otherwise the incoming directory could be Georg abused to spread all sorts of evil stuff) The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. JMarc
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Rich, as the Newbie in question, I actually agree with your basic premise that if you are doing real web page design then LyX is the wrong tool in the exact same sense that you meant it, i.e. don't use a spreadsheet when what you need is a relational database. But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one would normally associate with a static document should be available for HTML formatting. Here's a summary of the key HTML related points I make in my article http://www.goland.org/lyx/: Export-HTML does not properly support BibTex - Given that Export- PDF works fine with BibTex I suspect this is just a bug Cannot create hyperlinked text using URL dialog (e.g. the moral equivalent of a href=foobar/a)- The issue seems to be that LyX doesn't natively support the \href macro in hyperref, I'm arguing it should, especially since PDF generation would also benefit from this feature. \ref \label don't work at all with HTML - I'm not sure if this is a bug in TeX4ht or in how LyX outputs. In either case this request is even higher in my personal priority list than the URL issue. Having to manually manage cross-references is just a nightmare. Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly. But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm guessing this problem would go away. Yaron On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote: i would love to hear the developers (and others) oppinion on the raised issues. martin, I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on specific issues raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the original post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed documents to produce HTML for Web pages? IMO, writing HTML is no different in purpose than writing code in other programming languages such as C and Python. I believe that a text editor is the appropriate tool for the task, not LyX or LaTeX. This reminds me of experiences more than a decade ago when I had the misfortune to try to work with people who insisted on using a spreadsheet as a data repository and reporting tool when what they needed was a fully relational database management system. While I'm sure that others will strongly disagree with me, I think that LyX is the wrong tool to prepare Web pages, just as I think it's the wrong tool to do visually intensive page layout (use Scribus for that). Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Author of Quantifying Environmental Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) | Impact Assessments Using Fuzzy Logic http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg That is intentional (otherwise the incoming directory could be Georg abused to spread all sorts of evil stuff) The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. Oh... ahem.. won't this be a problem for release 1.4? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. christian Oh... ahem.. won't this be a problem for release 1.4? How did you guess? JMarc
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. christian Oh... ahem.. won't this be a problem for release 1.4? How did you guess? Well, maybe we should look for some alternative then? At least something temporary for the release of 1.4. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Yaron Y. Goland wrote: But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one would normally associate with a static document should be available for HTML formatting. Yaron, My apologies for not reading your entire message before responding. We all have different needs and prefer different tools to meet those needs. I should not assume that your needs or preferences should be the same as mine. Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Author of Quantifying Environmental Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) | Impact Assessments Using Fuzzy Logic http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX (rambling)
- Original Message - From: Yaron Y. Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly. But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm guessing this problem would go away. Yaron As you may know, LyX was designed for Linux and later ported to Windows. During the installation LyX checks for Latex2html and hevea and one other I forget. These choices are not very easy to configure for Windows; but htlatex certainly is. So I think exporting to Latex and then running htlatex is the way to go, which is a minor inconvenience=WinLyx imperfection. I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX. Until about FrameMaker 5.5 for Windows appeared which is good, the only excellent equation generator was Tex which ran on *nix platforms until it was ported; from a technical writer pov, for docs over 200 pages. Word had the very worst evaluation. You are smart intelligent writer. But I think your review should have used a math equation or diagram example file for html conversion and it didn't because you didn't know that was the strenght of LyX. Why compare LyX in the category of liberal arts html page-makers? It isn't special in that category and makes no claim to be special. So your article should have at most given a one/two-line dismissal to LyX as a textual html generating tool, and instead informed the reader about how great LyX was in generating a technically oriented document. Your article isn't written correctly as a sample of your tech writing expertise (in which I believe you want to excel). I think you should have said what LyX is really good at. The file below (xypic.tex) is a good example of a more technical example of writing that demonstrates LyX. http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/ The file does use the ae fontscheme. The high quality conversion took seconds, while the ($450) Acrobat conversion was a flop. I was certainly wrong about that. The conversion had a problem with one png file that came with the document. So to make it perfect I had to edit the source .htm file after htlatex produced it. You can see the source htm code under View/Source on Internet Explorer. That file needed to be edited with a text editor. I replaced the bad htlatex generated code Original bad code: src=xypic0x.png alt=PIC class=graphics !--tex4ht:graphics name=xypic0x.png src=xyfigure.PNG with constructed, displayed and interactively edited inside LY X. !--l. 74-- P class=indentIMG class=graphics alt=PIC src=Using_XYpic_in_LyX_files/xyfigure.png!--tex4ht:graphics name=xyfigure.png src=xyfigure.png and it took about 15 minutes to proofread it and fix hypen errors. I think a good article should contain a produced example, maybe not in a blog though. My impression was that both you and Rich produce very few equations so don't fathom a critical field area. The LyX learning curve is less steep than (X)Emacs which is good because complex Latex can make early inroads on LyX competence. Just so you don't think I'm being too critical, I think you are bright and a very good writer with a flair for computer literacy/research.. I thought your article bordered on the technical category. My post may be a bit off topic since most comments are about how to do things when writing with LyX rather than the content, but a tutorial written in LyX about Lyx over-spills the self-referential property and I think you did post your blog url to engender responses. I've used LyX to typeset a right-justified letter, convert to pdf, convert to jpeg, and then insert as picture in an html email wherein the client never realized it wasn't a text-based missive. So if this post seems a bit too finely grained, well I might be obsessive :-). Cheers, Stephen
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Bo Peng wrote: I was talking about the same thing as Yaron, Cutting Pasting from Non-LyX Windows. And another session of lyx. If you have two lyx windows open, you can not paste selection from another window. That'd be nice to have, yes. Fortunately, there is a workaround for this particular problem. Open both files with the same instance of lyx, then you can cut and paste between them. You can only see one file on the screen at a time though. And of course this technique doesn't help those of us who run lyx on several computers and display them all on one display. But then - you'd have a hard time doing that with other word processors anyway. Helge Hafting
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
John Pye writes: Sven Schreiber wrote: If other users are also concerned about the copypaste-situation, please make your opinion visible on this list as well. (in a friendly way, of course) This has been an issue for me too. For me, too, but I've said nothing as I assumed that this had already been fixed in 1.4. Perhaps I should mention my other pet peeve (in the hope that it has been fixed in 1.4): the search command that is not smart enough to start at the beginning when at the bottom of the file. It doesn't have to happen automatically, but even kdvi pops up a small menu with the question and default yes answer: Reached bottom of file, shall I continue from beginning? (And I'd love to have: 1. regexes within the LyX search function 2. search/replace that will also handle ERTs 3. or at least a search/replace wild card option: find Joh*son (for example). But, I will wait until I upgrade to 1.4 (or at least 1.3.7) before offering any other suggestions (and will then post them to the bugzilla as well). -Kevin -- Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tiros-Translations
Re: kio_http
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von kio_http lässt sich nicht starten Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) /C Wolfgang -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: page break top/bottom versus above/below
Kevin == Kevin Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Hi all, I just noticed a terminology inconsistency, but I'm Kevin using 1.3.5, so I don't know if it's been caught already. Kevin If you select Page Breaks (Above / Below) in the Paragraph Kevin Layout menu, you will get Page Break (top) or Page Break Kevin (bottom) as the result. Kevin I prefer above/below (relative to where the line where the Kevin break is being inserted) and might even suggest that top/bottom Kevin is wrong, but either way, shouldn't it be consistent? Page breaks are now independent insets in 1.4, so the issue is moot. JMarc
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Roy Keene schrieb: I just tried to install LyX for Windows (Complete) and upon completion LyX would not start until I executed: copy c:\program files\lyx\resources\*.lst c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX\ Also, when I ran Reconfigure the standard reconfigure occured, but never finished and when I re-ran LyX I got an error about not being able to open textclass.lst Deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer (complete or small version). regards Uwe
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: It works great. Your solution was excellent. This solution?: If the latter is the case, deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer. regards Uwe
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Mr. Stohr, This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Uwe St?hr wrote: Roy Keene schrieb: I just tried to install LyX for Windows (Complete) and upon completion LyX would not start until I executed: copy c:\program files\lyx\resources\*.lst c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX\ Also, when I ran Reconfigure the standard reconfigure occured, but never finished and when I re-ran LyX I got an error about not being able to open textclass.lst Deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer (complete or small version). regards Uwe
Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? thanks, jerome
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Roy Keene wrote: This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. And you also didn't get an error message from the installer that the configuration wasn't successful? I have no explanation for this. If the reinstall doesn't help, delete the folder c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX manually and then reconfigure LyX. If this also doesn't help, start LyX from a command line with the command lyx -dbg 3 , reconfigure LyX and report me what you see there. regards Uwe
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: It works great. Your solution was excellent. This solution?: If the latter is the case, deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer. regards Uwe
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Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Mr. Stohr, I got no error message during installation, and LyX works fine after performing the steps outlined in my first message (tested PDF and DVI output). I'll have to get back to you on the output as I'll be away from that Windows system for 2 weeks, or more. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Uwe St??hr wrote: Roy Keene wrote: This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. And you also didn't get an error message from the installer that the configuration wasn't successful? I have no explanation for this. If the reinstall doesn't help, delete the folder c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX manually and then reconfigure LyX. If this also doesn't help, start LyX from a command line with the command lyx -dbg 3 , reconfigure LyX and report me what you see there. regards Uwe
Re: Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
* jerome666 (2006-01-30): Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? Install MacDVI :), reconfigure LyX, change the viewer (File Format DVI) in LyX to open. If you prefer PostScript (PS) output with the X11 apllication gv, this works (around) for me: \viewer ps open -a X11 ; sleep 5 ; ps aux|grep gv|grep -v grep || gv -Andre
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Mistakenly sent off-list by Dr. Hellmut Weber: Hi list, If other users are also concerned about the copypaste-situation, please make your opinion visible on this list as well. (in a friendly way, of course) I've been a LaTeX user for many years until I found LyX which is now my favorite already for several years. Quite often I encounter the copy/paste-problem, since for raw text or program code I'm an old vi- (now ViM-) addict. So in the case ViM -- LyX ihave first to mark the area (which requires careful selction of the area) then I can paste it with ctrl-v into LyX loosing the line breaks. Not understanding the details, I suppose nevertheless the reason for the copy/paste-problem is the neither LyX nor ViM are really integrated into KDE. Is this assumption correct? For business reasons I'm obliged to produce some documents in Word-Format. The copy/paste-comfort offered by Windows is to be considered THE reference for any system which wants to compete. I'm very sorry about that but that's one of the arguments I hear often when discussing Windows/Linux even with people who are intereseted and willing to consider a move. I'm working on an IBM T22 Laptop with gentoo-Linux, KDE-3.5.0, tetex-2.0.2, LyX-1.3.5, Word 2000 under Windows 98 running in a Win4Lin-5.0 box. Greetings from Munich Hellmut -- Dr. Hellmut Weber Degenfeldstraße 2, D - 80803 München-Schwabing tel (+49 89) 3081172, mobil (+49 172) 8450321 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Hellmut Weber wrote: For business reasons I'm obliged to produce some documents in Word-Format. The copy/paste-comfort offered by Windows is to be considered THE reference for any system which wants to compete. I think that the 'rich' copy/paste technology clearly exists on Linux, but it seems that only a few applications are using it effectively: it works fine for 'rich' text from open office to thunderbird, and from firefox to thunderbird. It works for copying rich text with graphics and tables from firefox to openoffice. It works for copying bitmap selections from Kolour Paint to Open Office. It doesn't for the GIMP, and it doesn't work for DIA. It appears not to work from Inkscape to OpenOffice. I haven't tried AbiWord either. I found that there is a reference to cut/paste in freedesktop.org, which ties together KDE and GNOME common functionality: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager That in turn refers to http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/sec-2.html#s-2.6.3 So it seems that it's a case of getting Lyx to be a bit aware of how this is done and hopefully reproduce some of that functionality. I'm sure it's not simple, but maybe it's something that could get put on the list if enough people would use it. Cheers
Re: kio_http
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 10:18 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von kio_http lässt sich nicht starten Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) yes, Christian, should have gone to the linux user group Tuebingen, got the wrong one. Sorry about it. Wolfgang
Re: kio_http
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 10:18 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von kio_http lässt sich nicht starten Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) yes, Christian, should have gone to the linux user group Tuebingen, got the wrong one. Sorry about it. No worries, just thought you'd like to know in case you were expecting some kind of response :-) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
On Sunday 29 January 2006 17:20, Rich Shepard wrote: I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on specific issues raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the original post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed documents to produce HTML for Web pages? Because you can worry once about the format and other times about content? :-) I have used lyx before precisely for this. I am no example in this regard. :-D My point is just that sometimes it makes sense, it is not a far fetched example. As usual the devil is in the details... :-) -- José Abílio
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: The first solution works fine. Good. By the way, is it better to delete a previous version before installing a new one or can we - by using your installer - install a new version over an old one? In the case of LyX, yes. The installer takes also care of third party programs, like Imagemagick, Ghostscript etc. To assure that everything works smoothly, deinstall LyX first before you install a new LyX-version. regards Uwe
Re: Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:02 AM, Andre Berger wrote: * jerome666 (2006-01-30): Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? Install MacDVI :), reconfigure LyX, change the viewer (File Format DVI) in LyX to open. If you prefer PostScript (PS) output with the X11 apllication gv, this works (around) for me: \viewer ps open -a X11 ; sleep 5 ; ps aux|grep gv|grep -v grep || gv Without X11, the official Mac way is to define a viewer within the Finder. So select any .dvi file in the Finder, do File Get Info, and change the Open with drop-down box to some appropriate viewer (such as MacDviX or TeXShop, for example). Make sure you hit the Change all... button to make that be the default viewer for all .dvi files. Then LyX should just work. (LyX should work because the default viewer for .dvi files -- as for .pdf, .ps, etc. -- is simply open, which merely passes the file to be opened off to the Finder.) Bennett
Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Hi. I built Debian packages of LyX 1.3.7 according to the instructions at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnLinux. The packages can be found at http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuettler/lyx/ I have Sarge installed here, but I don't know how clean it is. I suppose it should be alright, though. Greetings, Heiner
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Heinrich Kuettler wrote: Hi. I built Debian packages of LyX 1.3.7 according to the instructions at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnLinux. Hi Heiner I just moved those instructions to http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnDebian in case you or anyone else looks for them. They probably make more sense on a page of their own. The packages can be found at http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuettler/lyx/ I have Sarge installed here, but I don't know how clean it is. I suppose it should be alright, though. Why don't you upload it to ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/ as per the instructions? If you are worried about your installation not being clean enough, maybe you could attach -heiner at the end of the package file to indicate it's your package? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
[LyX Wiki] Tip for writing nice wiki links with less typing
Hi People not interested in the wiki can stop reading now ;-) Have you ever felt that it's very annoying having to repeat yourself when writing a link to something like a file? Do you write all of this [[http://something.org/coolthings-i386-v1.zip - coolthings-i386-v1.zip]] just to get a nice and short link text? Well, dont! Instead, use a pair of parentheses, '()', to hide the parts of the link, like this: [[(http://something.org/)coolthings-i386-v1.zip]] ! ! This is clever since by avoiding duplicate work, you not only have to type less but also reduce the chance of an error. Btw, this works in all [[...]]-links, so when linking to a page with a long name, you can do the same thing, e.g. [[(PageWithReallyReally) Long (Name)]] See here for an example: http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground/PageWithReallyReallyLongName /Christian PS. And as usual, you're welcome to play in the sandboxes in the playground http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
Hi, I just installed the 1.3.7 on two windows machines (XP and 2000) which had aspell preinstalled in c:/aspell. I cannot get lyx to use aspell. What should I do. I changed the preview to call : acrord32.exe because there was nothing there. Now it calls acrobat reader but the reader always says file not found Any ideas? (sorry if these questions have already been asked. I couldn't find out how to search the mailing lists...) Primrose
Re: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
Hi, I just installed the 1.3.7 on two windows machines (XP and 2000) which had aspell preinstalled in c:/aspell. I cannot get lyx to use aspell. What should I do. When you say this what do you mean? If you produce a test doc with clearly misspelled words and put the cursor at the start of the doc and select spell check from teh menu what happens? Do you hjave a dictrionary installed? ON the other hand if you are trying to change ispell to aspell in the preferences then this wont work. It always says I spell. I changed the preview to call : acrord32.exe because there was nothing there. Now it calls acrobat reader but the reader always says file not found Any ideas? (sorry if these questions have already been asked. I couldn't find out how to search the mailing lists...) Is the reader open before the call to view pdf? Try closing acrobat andf then selecting preview in lyx. Primrose
RE: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
When you say this what do you mean? If you produce a test doc with clearly misspelled words and put the cursor at the start of the doc and select spell check from teh menu what happens? Absolutely nothing... No feedback whatsoever... Do you hjave a dictrionary installed? Yes I have the dictionaries I need installed (3 of them) ON the other hand if you are trying to change ispell to aspell in the preferences then this wont work. It always says I spell. Ok but that was not really my main goal. Is the reader open before the call to view pdf? Try closing acrobat andf then selecting preview in lyx. No the reader was not started. I have tried this but to no avail, Thank you! Primrose
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
I uploaded it to the incoming directory, together with a readme file. I hope I did it correctly, since I can't see any files as anonymous. Maybe someone can compare file sizes, this is what I uploaded: -rw-r--r-- 1 11598 2006-01-30 14:38 lyx_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_all.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 3882966 2006-01-30 14:38 lyx-common_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_all.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 1560836 2006-01-30 14:36 lyx-qt_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 1470066 2006-01-30 14:36 lyx-xforms_1.3.7-0heiner.lyx.org.1_i386.deb -rw-r--r-- 1 551 2006-01-30 19:12 README.Debian Greetings, Heiner
RE: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
My error! I found out I had arcobat running in the background. The error is gone now that I have killed the process. Aspell now does something after the nth reconfigure (on the win2000 box I mean. I still have to try reconfiguring the one on win XP). Thanks for the help! Primrose
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 19:21 schrieb Heinrich Kuettler: I uploaded it to the incoming directory, together with a readme file. Many thanks. I hope I did it correctly, since I can't see any files as anonymous. That is intentional (otherwise the incoming directory could be abused to spread all sorts of evil stuff) Georg
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Georg Baum schrieb: Am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2006 21:55 schrieb Sven Schreiber: So should bug 2138 be broadened to cover external copypaste from other applications as well, or should a new bug be opened? Do as you like :-) (if you open another bug, please link it as related to 2138) Ok, for the rest of the list: I have added the following comment to the bug (http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2138): --- Additional Comment #1 From Sven Schreiber 2006-01-30 13:23 --- If technically possible, it would be great to fix the whole copy/paste-from-the-OS-clipboard-issue at the same time. I believe the external-copy/paste shortcoming is very serious because I cannot think of any other app with less support for system-wide copying and pasting. For most users, the shortcuts Ctrl-c,x,v are the first (and sometimes the only ones) they ever learn, no matter whether they are on Linux, Win, or Mac. It seems likely that many of them discard Lyx after their first copy/paste-experience. (Ok, this is a bit speculative...) (obligatory anti-flame disclaimer: apart from that, lyx is great) -Sven
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg That is intentional (otherwise the incoming directory could be Georg abused to spread all sorts of evil stuff) The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. JMarc
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Rich, as the Newbie in question, I actually agree with your basic premise that if you are doing real web page design then LyX is the wrong tool in the exact same sense that you meant it, i.e. don't use a spreadsheet when what you need is a relational database. But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one would normally associate with a static document should be available for HTML formatting. Here's a summary of the key HTML related points I make in my article http://www.goland.org/lyx/: Export-HTML does not properly support BibTex - Given that Export- PDF works fine with BibTex I suspect this is just a bug Cannot create hyperlinked text using URL dialog (e.g. the moral equivalent of a href=foobar/a)- The issue seems to be that LyX doesn't natively support the \href macro in hyperref, I'm arguing it should, especially since PDF generation would also benefit from this feature. \ref \label don't work at all with HTML - I'm not sure if this is a bug in TeX4ht or in how LyX outputs. In either case this request is even higher in my personal priority list than the URL issue. Having to manually manage cross-references is just a nightmare. Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly. But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm guessing this problem would go away. Yaron On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:20 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Martin A. Hansen wrote: i would love to hear the developers (and others) oppinion on the raised issues. martin, I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on specific issues raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the original post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed documents to produce HTML for Web pages? IMO, writing HTML is no different in purpose than writing code in other programming languages such as C and Python. I believe that a text editor is the appropriate tool for the task, not LyX or LaTeX. This reminds me of experiences more than a decade ago when I had the misfortune to try to work with people who insisted on using a spreadsheet as a data repository and reporting tool when what they needed was a fully relational database management system. While I'm sure that others will strongly disagree with me, I think that LyX is the wrong tool to prepare Web pages, just as I think it's the wrong tool to do visually intensive page layout (use Scribus for that). Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Author of Quantifying Environmental Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) | Impact Assessments Using Fuzzy Logic http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Georg That is intentional (otherwise the incoming directory could be Georg abused to spread all sorts of evil stuff) The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. Oh... ahem.. won't this be a problem for release 1.4? /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. christian Oh... ahem.. won't this be a problem for release 1.4? How did you guess? JMarc
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: christian == christian ridderstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem now is to find a way to upload the file to ftp.lyx.org. Our login has been rejected for a few days. christian Oh... ahem.. won't this be a problem for release 1.4? How did you guess? Well, maybe we should look for some alternative then? At least something temporary for the release of 1.4. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Yaron Y. Goland wrote: But I think if you review the issues I list you will find that I am trying to create a static document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as HTML in the same sense that one uses LyX to create a document that can be 'reasonably' outputted as a PDF. The key issue of course is what is 'reasonable'? I'd argue that any basic formatting that one would normally associate with a static document should be available for HTML formatting. Yaron, My apologies for not reading your entire message before responding. We all have different needs and prefer different tools to meet those needs. I should not assume that your needs or preferences should be the same as mine. Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Author of Quantifying Environmental Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM) | Impact Assessments Using Fuzzy Logic http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX (rambling)
- Original Message - From: Yaron Y. Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX Ligatures result in bizarre character choices in HTML if a font other than AE is used - I suspect this is just ignorance on my part. When I generate HTML directly form inside of LyX I don't have the ligature issue. It should shows up when I use htlatex (e.g. TeX4ht) directly. But I have to use htlatex because LyX doesn't have BibTeX support for HTML. If I could just find the right argument for htlatex I'm guessing this problem would go away. Yaron As you may know, LyX was designed for Linux and later ported to Windows. During the installation LyX checks for Latex2html and hevea and one other I forget. These choices are not very easy to configure for Windows; but htlatex certainly is. So I think exporting to Latex and then running htlatex is the way to go, which is a minor inconvenience=WinLyx imperfection. I don't think you were aware, when writing your review, that the strength of LyX is generating mathematical equations as LyX is a front-end to (La)TeX. Until about FrameMaker 5.5 for Windows appeared which is good, the only excellent equation generator was Tex which ran on *nix platforms until it was ported; from a technical writer pov, for docs over 200 pages. Word had the very worst evaluation. You are smart intelligent writer. But I think your review should have used a math equation or diagram example file for html conversion and it didn't because you didn't know that was the strenght of LyX. Why compare LyX in the category of liberal arts html page-makers? It isn't special in that category and makes no claim to be special. So your article should have at most given a one/two-line dismissal to LyX as a textual html generating tool, and instead informed the reader about how great LyX was in generating a technically oriented document. Your article isn't written correctly as a sample of your tech writing expertise (in which I believe you want to excel). I think you should have said what LyX is really good at. The file below (xypic.tex) is a good example of a more technical example of writing that demonstrates LyX. http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~gumm/LyX/xypic/ The file does use the ae fontscheme. The high quality conversion took seconds, while the ($450) Acrobat conversion was a flop. I was certainly wrong about that. The conversion had a problem with one png file that came with the document. So to make it perfect I had to edit the source .htm file after htlatex produced it. You can see the source htm code under View/Source on Internet Explorer. That file needed to be edited with a text editor. I replaced the bad htlatex generated code Original bad code: src=xypic0x.png alt=PIC class=graphics !--tex4ht:graphics name=xypic0x.png src=xyfigure.PNG with constructed, displayed and interactively edited inside LY X. !--l. 74-- P class=indentIMG class=graphics alt=PIC src=Using_XYpic_in_LyX_files/xyfigure.png!--tex4ht:graphics name=xyfigure.png src=xyfigure.png and it took about 15 minutes to proofread it and fix hypen errors. I think a good article should contain a produced example, maybe not in a blog though. My impression was that both you and Rich produce very few equations so don't fathom a critical field area. The LyX learning curve is less steep than (X)Emacs which is good because complex Latex can make early inroads on LyX competence. Just so you don't think I'm being too critical, I think you are bright and a very good writer with a flair for computer literacy/research.. I thought your article bordered on the technical category. My post may be a bit off topic since most comments are about how to do things when writing with LyX rather than the content, but a tutorial written in LyX about Lyx over-spills the self-referential property and I think you did post your blog url to engender responses. I've used LyX to typeset a right-justified letter, convert to pdf, convert to jpeg, and then insert as picture in an html email wherein the client never realized it wasn't a text-based missive. So if this post seems a bit too finely grained, well I might be obsessive :-). Cheers, Stephen
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Bo Peng wrote: I was talking about the same thing as Yaron, "Cutting & Pasting from Non-LyX Windows". And another session of lyx. If you have two lyx windows open, you can not paste selection from another window. That'd be nice to have, yes. Fortunately, there is a workaround for this particular problem. Open both files with the same instance of lyx, then you can cut and paste between them. You can only see one file on the screen at a time though. And of course this technique doesn't help those of us who run lyx on several computers and display them all on one display. But then - you'd have a hard time doing that with other word processors anyway. Helge Hafting
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
John Pye writes: > Sven Schreiber wrote: > >If other users are also concerned about the copy, > > please make your opinion visible on this list as well. (in a > > friendly way, of course) > > This has been an issue for me too. For me, too, but I've said nothing as I assumed that this had already been fixed in 1.4. Perhaps I should mention my other pet peeve (in the hope that it has been fixed in 1.4): the search command that is not smart enough to start at the beginning when at the bottom of the file. It doesn't have to happen automatically, but even kdvi pops up a small menu with the question and default "yes" answer: "Reached bottom of file, shall I continue from beginning?" (And I'd love to have: 1. regexes within the LyX search function 2. search/replace that will also handle ERTs 3. or at least a search/replace wild card option: "find "Joh*son" (for example). But, I will wait until I upgrade to 1.4 (or at least 1.3.7) before offering any other suggestions (and will then post them to the bugzilla as well). -Kevin -- Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tiros-Translations
Re: kio_http
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. > klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von "kio_http" > lässt sich nicht starten > > Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim > hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? Hi Wolfgang I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) /C > > Wolfgang > > -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: page break top/bottom versus above/below
> "Kevin" == Kevin Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kevin> Hi all, I just noticed a terminology inconsistency, but I'm Kevin> using 1.3.5, so I don't know if it's been caught already. Kevin> If you select Page Breaks (Above / Below) in the Paragraph Kevin> Layout menu, you will get "Page Break (top)" or "Page Break Kevin> (bottom)" as the result. Kevin> I prefer above/below (relative to where the line where the Kevin> break is being inserted) and might even suggest that top/bottom Kevin> is wrong, but either way, shouldn't it be consistent? Page breaks are now independent insets in 1.4, so the issue is moot. JMarc
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Roy Keene schrieb: I just tried to install LyX for Windows (Complete) and upon completion LyX would not start until I executed: copy "c:\program files\lyx\resources\*.lst" "c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX\" Also, when I ran "Reconfigure" the standard reconfigure occured, but never finished and when I re-ran LyX I got an error about not being able to open "textclass.lst" Deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer (complete or small version). regards Uwe
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: It works great. Your solution was excellent. This solution?: If the latter is the case, deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer. regards Uwe
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Mr. Stohr, This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Uwe St?hr wrote: Roy Keene schrieb: I just tried to install LyX for Windows (Complete) and upon completion LyX would not start until I executed: copy "c:\program files\lyx\resources\*.lst" "c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX\" Also, when I ran "Reconfigure" the standard reconfigure occured, but never finished and when I re-ran LyX I got an error about not being able to open "textclass.lst" Deinstall LyX and also delete the math fonts and the folder C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX , the uninstaller will ask you for this. (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the installer (complete or small version). regards Uwe
Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? thanks, jerome
Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Roy Keene wrote: This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. And you also didn't get an error message from the installer that the configuration wasn't successful? I have no explanation for this. If the reinstall doesn't help, delete the folder c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX manually and then reconfigure LyX. If this also doesn't help, start LyX from a command line with the command lyx -dbg 3 , reconfigure LyX and report me what you see there. regards Uwe
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: It works great. Your solution was excellent. This solution?: > If the latter is the case, deinstall LyX and also delete the math > fonts and the folder > C:\Documents and Settings\username\Applications\LyX > , the uninstaller will ask you for this. > (This avoids that you have a broken LyX installation due to rests of > older LyX-versions.) Then reinstall LyX again with version 1.0 of the > installer. regards Uwe
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Re: Windows LyX (1.3.7)
Mr. Stohr, I got no error message during installation, and LyX works fine after performing the steps outlined in my first message (tested PDF and DVI output). I'll have to get back to you on the output as I'll be away from that Windows system for 2 weeks, or more. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Uwe St??hr wrote: Roy Keene wrote: This was a fresh install using the 1.0 installer on a system that had never had LyX installed before. And you also didn't get an error message from the installer that the configuration wasn't successful? I have no explanation for this. If the reinstall doesn't help, delete the folder c:\documents and settings\owner\application data\LyX manually and then reconfigure LyX. If this also doesn't help, start LyX from a command line with the command lyx -dbg 3 , reconfigure LyX and report me what you see there. regards Uwe
Re: Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
* jerome666 (2006-01-30): > Dear all > > Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the > viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not > seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? Install MacDVI :), reconfigure LyX, change the viewer (File Format DVI) in LyX to "open". If you prefer PostScript (PS) output with the X11 apllication "gv", this works (around) for me: \viewer "ps" "open -a X11 ; sleep 5 ; ps aux|grep gv|grep -v grep || gv" -Andre
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Mistakenly sent off-list by Dr. Hellmut Weber: > Hi list, > >>> If other users are also concerned about the copy, >>> please >>> make your opinion visible on this list as well. (in a friendly way, of >>> course) >> > > I've been a LaTeX user for many years until I found LyX which is now > my favorite already for several years. > > Quite often I encounter the copy/paste-problem, since for raw text or > program code I'm an old vi- (now ViM-) addict. > So in the case ViM --> LyX ihave first to mark the area (which > requires careful selction of the area) then I can paste it with ctrl-v > into LyX loosing the line breaks. > > Not understanding the details, I suppose nevertheless the reason for > the copy/paste-problem is the neither LyX nor ViM are really > integrated into KDE. Is this assumption correct? > > > For business reasons I'm obliged to produce some documents in > Word-Format. The copy/paste-comfort offered by Windows is to be > considered THE reference for any system which wants to compete. > > I'm very sorry about that but that's one of the arguments I hear often > when discussing Windows/Linux even with people who are intereseted and > willing to consider a move. > > > I'm working on an IBM T22 Laptop with gentoo-Linux, KDE-3.5.0, > tetex-2.0.2, LyX-1.3.5, Word 2000 under Windows 98 running in a > Win4Lin-5.0 box. > > > Greetings from Munich > > Hellmut > > -- > Dr. Hellmut Weber > Degenfeldstraße 2, D - 80803 München-Schwabing > tel (+49 89) 3081172, mobil (+49 172) 8450321 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
Hellmut Weber wrote: > For business reasons I'm obliged to produce some documents in > Word-Format. The copy/paste-comfort offered by Windows is to be > considered THE reference for any system which wants to compete. > I think that the 'rich' copy/paste technology clearly exists on Linux, but it seems that only a few applications are using it effectively: it works fine for 'rich' text from open office to thunderbird, and from firefox to thunderbird. It works for copying rich text with graphics and tables from firefox to openoffice. It works for copying bitmap selections from Kolour Paint to Open Office. It doesn't for the GIMP, and it doesn't work for DIA. It appears not to work from Inkscape to OpenOffice. I haven't tried AbiWord either. I found that there is a reference to cut/paste in freedesktop.org, which ties together KDE and GNOME common functionality: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager That in turn refers to http://tronche.com/gui/x/icccm/sec-2.html#s-2.6.3 So it seems that it's a case of getting Lyx to be a bit aware of how this is done and hopefully reproduce some of that functionality. I'm sure it's not simple, but maybe it's something that could get put on the list if enough people would use it. Cheers
Re: kio_http
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 10:18 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > > Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. > > klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von "kio_http" > > lässt sich nicht starten > > > > Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim > > hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? > > Hi Wolfgang > > I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) yes, Christian, should have gone to the linux user group Tuebingen, got the wrong one. Sorry about it. Wolfgang
Re: kio_http
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > Am Montag, 30. Januar 2006 10:18 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > > > Prozess Aufruf des Ein/Ausgabe-Moduls nicht möglich. > > > klauncher meldet: Fehler beim Laden von "kio_http" > > > lässt sich nicht starten > > > > > > Passiert beim Aufruf einer Internetseite von einer Mail aus und auch beim > > > hineinpasten der Adresse in den Konqueror: was tut man in so einem Fall? > > > > Hi Wolfgang > > > > I think you're posting to the wrong list now... ;-) > > yes, Christian, should have gone to the linux user group Tuebingen, got the > wrong one. Sorry about it. No worries, just thought you'd like to know in case you were expecting some kind of response :-) /C -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: A Newbie's Experience with LyX
On Sunday 29 January 2006 17:20, Rich Shepard wrote: > I've not read the OP's blog so I cannot directly comment on specific issues > raised. However, I will share my initial reaction to reading the original > post: Why use a typesetting system designed for text-heavy printed > documents to produce HTML for Web pages? Because you can worry once about the format and other times about content? :-) I have used lyx before precisely for this. I am no example in this regard. :-D My point is just that sometimes it makes sense, it is not a far fetched example. As usual the devil is in the details... :-) -- José Abílio
Re: Lyx 1.37 for WindowsXP
Marc Demers wrote: The first solution works fine. Good. By the way, is it better to delete a previous version before installing a new one or can we - by using your installer - install a new version over an old one? In the case of LyX, yes. The installer takes also care of third party programs, like Imagemagick, Ghostscript etc. To assure that everything works smoothly, deinstall LyX first before you install a new LyX-version. regards Uwe
Re: Viewers with Mac OS Tiger
On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:02 AM, Andre Berger wrote: * jerome666 (2006-01-30): Dear all Lyx is running on a mac os X tiger computer. Evrything is fine except the viewers. I have big difficulties to set up the dvi viewer (macdvi does not seem to be installed, no xdvi). what can I do ?? Install MacDVI :), reconfigure LyX, change the viewer (File Format DVI) in LyX to "open". If you prefer PostScript (PS) output with the X11 apllication "gv", this works (around) for me: \viewer "ps" "open -a X11 ; sleep 5 ; ps aux|grep gv|grep -v grep || gv" Without X11, the official Mac way is to define a viewer within the Finder. So select any .dvi file in the Finder, do File > Get Info, and change the "Open with" drop-down box to some appropriate viewer (such as MacDviX or TeXShop, for example). Make sure you hit the "Change all..." button to make that be the default viewer for all .dvi files. Then LyX should just work. (LyX should work because the default viewer for .dvi files -- as for .pdf, .ps, etc. -- is simply "open", which merely passes the file to be opened off to the Finder.) Bennett
Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
Hi. I built Debian packages of LyX 1.3.7 according to the instructions at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnLinux. The packages can be found at http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuettler/lyx/ I have Sarge installed here, but I don't know how clean it is. I suppose it should be alright, though. Greetings, Heiner
Re: Debian Packages for LyX 1.3.7
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Heinrich Kuettler wrote: > > Hi. I built Debian packages of LyX 1.3.7 according to the instructions at > http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnLinux. Hi Heiner I just moved those instructions to http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnDebian in case you or anyone else looks for them. They probably make more sense on a page of their own. > The packages can be found at > > http://www.math.tu-dresden.de/~kuettler/lyx/ > > I have Sarge installed here, but I don't know how clean it is. I suppose it > should be alright, though. Why don't you upload it to ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/incoming/ as per the instructions? If you are worried about your installation not being clean enough, maybe you could attach "-heiner" at the end of the package file to indicate it's your package? /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
[LyX Wiki] Tip for writing nice wiki links with less typing
Hi People not interested in the wiki can stop reading now ;-) Have you ever felt that it's very annoying having to repeat yourself when writing a link to something like a file? Do you write all of this [[http://something.org/coolthings-i386-v1.zip -> coolthings-i386-v1.zip]] just to get a nice and short link text? Well, dont! Instead, use a pair of parentheses, '()', to hide the parts of the link, like this: [[(http://something.org/)coolthings-i386-v1.zip]] ! ! This is clever since by avoiding duplicate work, you not only have to type less but also reduce the chance of an error. Btw, this works in all [[...]]-links, so when linking to a page with a long name, you can do the same thing, e.g. [[(PageWithReallyReally) Long (Name)]] See here for an example: http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground/PageWithReallyReallyLongName /Christian PS. And as usual, you're welcome to play in the sandboxes in the playground http://wiki.lyx.org/Playground -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
Hi, I just installed the 1.3.7 on two windows machines (XP and 2000) which had aspell preinstalled in c:/aspell. I cannot get lyx to use aspell. What should I do. I changed the preview to call : acrord32.exe because there was nothing there. Now it calls acrobat reader but the reader always says "file not found" Any ideas? (sorry if these questions have already been asked. I couldn't find out how to search the mailing lists...) Primrose
Re: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
Hi, I just installed the 1.3.7 on two windows machines (XP and 2000) which had aspell preinstalled in c:/aspell. I cannot get lyx to use aspell. What should I do. When you say this what do you mean? If you produce a test doc with clearly misspelled words and put the cursor at the start of the doc and select spell check from teh menu what happens? Do you hjave a dictrionary installed? ON the other hand if you are trying to change ispell to aspell in the preferences then this wont work. It always says I spell. I changed the preview to call : acrord32.exe because there was nothing there. Now it calls acrobat reader but the reader always says "file not found" Any ideas? (sorry if these questions have already been asked. I couldn't find out how to search the mailing lists...) Is the reader open before the call to view pdf? Try closing acrobat andf then selecting preview in lyx. Primrose
RE: Lyx + pdf + aspell problem on windows
>When you say this what do you mean? If you produce a test doc with clearly misspelled words and put the cursor at the >start of the doc and select spell check from teh menu what happens? Absolutely nothing... No feedback whatsoever... >Do you hjave a dictrionary installed? Yes I have the dictionaries I need installed (3 of them) >ON the other hand if you are trying to change ispell to aspell in the preferences then this wont work. It always says I spell. Ok but that was not really my main goal. >Is the reader open before the call to view pdf? Try closing acrobat andf then selecting preview in lyx. No the reader was not started. I have tried this but to no avail, Thank you! Primrose
