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Re: lyx 2.3.7 running on a Mac Ventura 13.6.1

2024-01-10 Thread mark salmon

Hi Anders, and everyone else interested-- everything appears to now be 
working perfectly thanks again Anders. I have the same set up now as you 
described you have and all is working ok in Beamer as well- phew! I have 
no problems with slowness- I think this might have to do with Mac OS 14+ 
requiring more from the machine- if it is underpowered for OS 14 then 
everything demanding - not just Lyx slows down.

touch wood! thanks again Anders!
A presto,
Mark

On 10/01/2024 14:12, markhsalmon wrote:
Thank you Anders thanks a million- I am using Beamer so we shall see! 
But you have given me the courage to jump- wish me well-  happy new 
year- I hope.
Ps. Cambridge has just bought all faculty and in fact students 
licences for Overleaf professional which is the alternative now … I 
want to continue with Lyx but the lack of proper Mac support is making 
this decision difficult.


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On 10 Jan 2024, at 13:25, Anders Ekberg  wrote:

 On 10 Jan 2024, at 13:35, mark salmon  wrote:


An urgent request for advice please. My apologies but I dropped of 
the edge of the planet for some time- and have slowly been able to 
get back in gear.when I was last active there were problems - 
both graphics and slowness running Lyx on Macs with Ventura. I last 
understood the graphics problem had been resolved in the latest 
version of Lyx 2.4??? beta but that this beta had problems with 
Ventura above13.6.1. The latest MacOS is Sonoma 14.. DO I 
RISK UPDATING MY MAC OS and ARE THERE CONTINUING PROBLEMS WITH LYX 
13.6.1- graphics insert and slowdown??
I have lecture notes to write for Monday next week and cannot risk 
making a mistake- DO I UPDATE MY SYSTEM AND LYX???  PLEASE!!


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Hi Mark
I run LyX 2.4.0 b5 with MacTeX 2023 and Inkscape 1.3.2 on MacOSX 
14.2.1 on my production (writing notes, compendia etc but very seldom 
using beamer) computer (MacBook Pro 2019). Works fine, but of course 
no guarantee it will for you…


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lyx 2.3.7 running on a Mac Ventura 13.6.1

2024-01-10 Thread mark salmon

An urgent request for advice please. My apologies but I dropped of the 
edge of the planet for some time- and have slowly been able to get back 
in gear.when I was last active there were problems - both graphics 
and slowness running Lyx on Macs with Ventura. I last understood the 
graphics problem had been resolved in the latest version of Lyx 2.4??? 
beta but that this beta had problems with Ventura above13.6.1. The 
latest MacOS is Sonoma 14.. DO I RISK UPDATING MY MAC OS and ARE 
THERE CONTINUING PROBLEMS WITH LYX 13.6.1- graphics insert and slowdown??
I have lecture notes to write for Monday next week and cannot risk 
making a mistake- DO I UPDATE MY SYSTEM AND LYX???  PLEASE!!


thanks
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Re: [EXTERNAL] ImageMagick

2023-03-09 Thread mark salmon


Ok Thanks Stephan

On 09/03/2023 16:12, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 09.03.2023 um 08:47 schrieb markhsalmon:

Surely this applies for Mac versions as well? Hasn’t Ventura dropped 
ImageMagick? I thought I read this here some time ago and might be the problem 
with inserting graphics into Documents on Mac system?

Hi Mark,

IMO this isn’t related. ImageMagick isn’t bundled with LyX for macOS. I’ve 
checked the status of ImageMagick for macports. Ventura seems to be supported.

BR,
Stephan


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On 7 Mar 2023, at 21:00, Yu Jin  wrote:


Am Mi., 1. März 2023 um 23:21 Uhr schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck:
On 3/1/23 16:27, Salazar, Derek Gonzalo wrote:

Yes, for Windows.

CCing Eugene, then, our Windows package manager.

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Re: Ventura graphics Mac

2023-01-25 Thread mark salmon


THANK YOU! Stephan
best
Mark

On 25/01/2023 11:39, Stephan Witt wrote:

Hi all,

another report with a similar problem is 
here:https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10047

Now I could reproduce the problem on Ventura 13.2. It is the LyX:Graphics 
dialog not being on anymore after click on Open.

I’ve placed a series of images to demonstrate the issue here:
https://my.hidrive.com/share/cgcp53ay2p

To workaround the issue please place the LyX:Graphics popup slightly above or 
below the lyx main window to have the opportunity to get it frontmost again.

I’ll have a look for a fix to this problem. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Best regards,
Stephan


Am 21.01.2023 um 22:16 schrieb markhsalmon:

This works for me- I think - I have to physically put the file location  in the 
graphic insert box and not use browse and it gets the graphics file now. On 
screen looks fuzzy but formats perfectly in pdf. I upgraded to Ventura at the 
same time as upgrading to 2.3.7 which was dumb but this looks more like a file 
location recognition issue now to me. Thanks so much for your help - it’s not 
solved but a work around exists which is an enormous relief- Thanks! This 
surely must be a Lyx issue … with Ventura. I had to upgrade to Ventura for 
other reasons related to Dropbox.
Thanks again
Mark


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On 21 Jan 2023, at 21:02, Christopher Menzel  wrote:


Udi wrote:

I think this bug is already reported here, it seems that you can enter the Unix file path 
into the "File:" field manually.

It's not a perfect solution, but it might solve your problem in the meantime.

Can confirm.

This definitely appears to be a Ventura thing. I can’t insert graphics on my 
2021 MacBook Pro using either 2.3.6.2 or 2.3.7 but both versions work just fine 
on my old iMac under Big Sur. You can mitigate the pain of the kludgy 
workaround a little bit by locating your desired graphic in the Finder, right 
clicking and selecting “Get Info”. This will bring up an info window that 
contains the full Unix path to the containing directory that you can copy and 
paste into the “file:”  field in the LyX pop-up for inserting graphics. You’ll 
still have to type in the file name, but the process is still easier than 
typing in the whole path, especially if you use cloud storage, which buries 
your files pretty deeply under your home directory.

Alternatively, run LyX under Linux in a Parallels VM — it’s quite a bit faster 
than the MacOS universal binary and doesn’t suffer from this bug.

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Re: Problems with LyX on Mac computers

2023-01-23 Thread mark salmon

PLease ignore my email below from last night regarding my inablity to
copy and paste from a PDF file into Lyx with Mac Ventura and Lyx 2.3.7-
this was a tired error on my part after a long day struggling to get to
lectures written- I simply confused command V with Control V on the Mac.
It does work as it whould if I hit the correct keys. However the
graphics issue still remains. Could this be due the the version of
Python I have installed? Which Python version does Lyx require on the
Mac please? How can I check and re-install. I thought I had the Xcode
version but may have Anaconda 3.7- but I am ignorant of these issues.
Any ideas please?

Many many thanks so far,
Mark

On 23/01/2023 08:46, markhsalmon wrote:

Hi Stephan
I hit another problem last night and gave up but will try and replicate it
again in the next hour when back in my office. I could not copy and paste text
from a pdf document into Lyx as was trivial before. I am the person who cannot
insert graphics via the normal insert graphics route but can by inserting the
graphics file location. Latest version of Lyx and Ventura 13.1. This new
problem is similar in that I can still with my mouse select the text from the
pdf document and place the cursor where I want it in the Lyx document but now
have to click paste from the menu and it works. I have to double check this
when I get back to my office. I saw somewhere on the web something I didn’t
understand that I” imagemagick was missing
Thank you for your help but this is really serious as I am in the middle of
teaching and trying to prepare lecture slides.
Many thanks
Mark

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On 22 Jan 2023, at 21:27, Stephan Witt wrote:

Hi all,

unfortunately there is some problem with the LyX binaries on macOS Ventura. I
built these binaries including the Qt frameworks. At the moment I don’t have
the option to investigate the problem because I didn’t upgrade the build system
(yet).

The Universal binary was build on Big Sur and requires at least macOS 10.14.
For those unable to update to Mojave (10.14) I made an Intel binary for macOS
10.12 or newer.

I have no idea what the cause of the Ventura file open dialog is. My plan is to
update the build system to macOS 13.x - so it should be possible to solve the
problem then.

Best regards,
Stephan

Am 22.01.2023 um 21:09 schrieb Edwin Burmeister:

Sorry, I did not realize that the current binary for LyX 2.3.7 is a Universal
application. That is what I have been using.

So apparently the problems encountered by Mac users are NOT due to Rosetta as I
had wrongly guessed.

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On Jan 22, 2023, at 2:10 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote:

On Jan 22, 2023, at 10:48 AM, mark salmon wrote:

Marcus in your reply to Ed Burmeister you said there are 2 installers for Lyx
2.3.7- for macs- one for old and one for new versions of MacOS .I don't
think I saw this when installing 2.3.7 I just chose the one option I saw in
front of me-

The two installers are not for older and newer versions of MacOS, they are for
older and newer Macs — older machines have Intel chips while newer machines
have Apple Silicon (M1 and M2 chips). The installer for the universal LyX
binary, which will run on either platform, includes the string “x86_64-arm64”;
the installer for the Intel-only binary only includes the substring “x86_64”.
In fact, both installers and both binaries will run on both older and newer
machines (although, of course, the Intel binary requires the mediation of
Rosetta on Apple Silicon machines). I suppose the Intel-only binary is a bit
smaller and perhaps runs a bit faster on an Intel Mac, but would think the
differences would be negligible (but I could be wrong).

could this be the source of the graphics problem?

No. The problem arises under Ventura no matter which LyX binary you use.

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Re: Problems with LyX on Mac computers

2023-01-22 Thread mark salmon

Marcus in your reply to Ed Burmeister you said there are 2 installers 
for Lyx 2.3.7- for macs- one for old and one for new versions of MacOS 
.I don't think I saw this when installing 2.3.7 I just chose the one 
option I saw in front of me- could this be the source of the graphics 
problem?

Cheers,
Mark

On 22/01/2023 16:08, Edwin Burmeister wrote:
My apologies, I made a typo in my original message. I AM using LyX 
version 2.3.7 and all of my previous comments and questions apply to it.


Sorry for my mistake!

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On Jan 22, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Marcus Kriele  wrote:

Ed, have you tried LyX 2.3.7, which came out very recently?  I 
believe it is  universal, if you take the correct installer (there 
are two to choose from, one for old versions of MacOS and one for the 
newer ones which support arm.


Regards, Marcus


On 22 Jan 2023, at 16:58, Edwin Burmeister  wrote:

Hi—

I am using Mac OS Ventura 13.1 and LyX version 2.2.7.

Many Mac users have reported problems with LyX when using Ventura. I 
too have encountered difficulties, but fortunately I’ve been able to 
find workarounds for all of them. However, behavior is erratic: 
sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. I’ve had to resort to 
trying different workaround strategies that seem to depend upon 
exactly where my LyX related files are located.


You probably know this information from Apple, but I repeat it here 
for completeness:


*Rosetta works automatically in the background whenever you use an 
app that was built only for Mac computers with an Intel processor*. 
It translates the app for use with Apple silicon. In most cases, you 
won't notice any difference in the performance of an app that needs 
Rosetta. May 17, 2022


In my opinion most and perhaps all of the problems LyX users have 
encountered on a Mac can be traced back to Rosetta.


The ideal solution is to have an update to LyX that makes it a 
so-called Universal application, i.e., one that works equally well 
on both Intel and Apple silicon chips. [In any event, this solution 
will be needed in the future because Apple is likely to stop its 
support via Rosetta.]


Is such an update to LyX in the works?
If so, when might we expect to see it?
If not, why not?

Danke!

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Re: Problems with LyX on Mac computers

2023-01-22 Thread mark salmon


Hi Ed again,
 Could you possibly try inserting a graphic into a document- I know 
nothing... I am a simple econometrician but it seems to me if some 
people have this graphics problem and others don't with superficially 
the same set up, it may be down to different ways we have handled 
Python- Apple, Homebrew, Anaconda? Does this make sense people?

Cheers ,
Mark

On 22/01/2023 16:08, Edwin Burmeister wrote:
My apologies, I made a typo in my original message. I AM using LyX 
version 2.3.7 and all of my previous comments and questions apply to it.


Sorry for my mistake!

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On Jan 22, 2023, at 11:03 AM, Marcus Kriele  wrote:

Ed, have you tried LyX 2.3.7, which came out very recently?  I 
believe it is  universal, if you take the correct installer (there 
are two to choose from, one for old versions of MacOS and one for the 
newer ones which support arm.


Regards, Marcus


On 22 Jan 2023, at 16:58, Edwin Burmeister  wrote:

Hi—

I am using Mac OS Ventura 13.1 and LyX version 2.2.7.

Many Mac users have reported problems with LyX when using Ventura. I 
too have encountered difficulties, but fortunately I’ve been able to 
find workarounds for all of them. However, behavior is erratic: 
sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. I’ve had to resort to 
trying different workaround strategies that seem to depend upon 
exactly where my LyX related files are located.


You probably know this information from Apple, but I repeat it here 
for completeness:


*Rosetta works automatically in the background whenever you use an 
app that was built only for Mac computers with an Intel processor*. 
It translates the app for use with Apple silicon. In most cases, you 
won't notice any difference in the performance of an app that needs 
Rosetta. May 17, 2022


In my opinion most and perhaps all of the problems LyX users have 
encountered on a Mac can be traced back to Rosetta.


The ideal solution is to have an update to LyX that makes it a 
so-called Universal application, i.e., one that works equally well 
on both Intel and Apple silicon chips. [In any event, this solution 
will be needed in the future because Apple is likely to stop its 
support via Rosetta.]


Is such an update to LyX in the works?
If so, when might we expect to see it?
If not, why not?

Danke!

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Re: Problems with LyX on Mac computers

2023-01-22 Thread mark salmon


Hi Ed,
 One academic to another- I have a problem in that I can  ( in Lyx 
2.3.7) no longer browse for the graph in the dialog box when wanting to 
insert graphics into a document- I am using Lyx 2.3.7 not 2.2.7. which 
you are using. The assumption people have made is that it is a ventura 
13.1 problem however if you can browse and insert graphics with the same 
Ventura as myself but  using Lyx 2.2.7 it must be a Lyx problem. It 
would be really helpful to know where the problem lies if you could give 
it a try please. I can work around this by copying and pasting the 
location of the graphics file into the location box but I lost 2 days of 
my life over the last few days trying to solve this!

Cheers,
Mark

On 22/01/2023 15:58, Edwin Burmeister wrote:

Hi—

I am using Mac OS Ventura 13.1 and LyX version 2.2.7.


Many Mac users have reported problems with LyX when using Ventura. I 
too have encountered difficulties, but fortunately I’ve been able to 
find workarounds for all of them. However, behavior is erratic: 
sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. I’ve had to resort to 
trying different workaround strategies that seem to depend upon 
exactly where my LyX related files are located.



You probably know this information from Apple, but I repeat it here 
for completeness:



*Rosetta works automatically in the background whenever you use an app 
that was built only for Mac computers with an Intel processor*. It 
translates the app for use with Apple silicon. In most cases, you 
won't notice any difference in the performance of an app that needs 
Rosetta. May 17, 2022



In my opinion most and perhaps all of the problems LyX users have 
encountered on a Mac can be traced back to Rosetta.



The ideal solution is to have an update to LyX that makes it a 
so-called Universal application, i.e., one that works equally well on 
both Intel and Apple silicon chips. [In any event, this solution 
will be needed in the future because Apple is likely to stop its 
support via Rosetta.]



Is such an update to LyX in the works?

If so, when might we expect to see it?

If not, why not?


Danke!


Ed

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Ventura graphics Mac

2023-01-21 Thread mark salmon

I have just upgraded to ventura on an Imac- as far as I know I have 
resolved the gatekeeper and python issues but one problem remains- if 
anyone can help me please? I can no longer insert graphics in lyx 
documents- this is critical for my lecture notes and really urgent. I do 
example the same as before and am running with lyx 2.3.7 and ventura 13.1.
 Graphics already within the document are not affected  and still there 
but I can no longer browse and click on the graphic to get ta new graph 
copied into the Lyx document!! Seems to be a problem with Lyx /ventura 
not recognising the clicked link??? any help please please.

Thank you
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Re: Acrobat pdf

2022-05-20 Thread mark salmon

Thank you very much El! just and apologies forthe slow response - what I 
needed and apologies for the slow response- a strange day -walking in 
the sunshine all day! A weird experience that used to be normal!

Will try it now and thanks again
Mark

On 20/05/2022 08:25, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Assuming this is on the Mac:

Click on any PDF and then issue CMD-I. Then change the "Open-With"
Pulldown do whatever viewer you want but click on "Change-All"

Then in Lyx you can use "open" as the viewer.

PDF Expert is very nice and powerful but I like Skim for day-to-day by
the way.

greetings, el

On 2022-05-19 14:24 , Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Thu, 19 May 2022 12:33:49 +0100
schrieb mark salmon :


Thank you Kornel- when I get to Viewer ( for pdflatex) it gives me
only 2 options- None or Custom- alongside Custom in another box it
also has " auto".  No mention of PDF Expert or in fact Adobe
Acrobat--what do I haver to do now to make lyx use PDF Expert??
Cheers,
Mark



Use custom and fill the box with the path to your favourite pdf
viewer.  You may not need the full path, if your pdf-viewer is
directly accessible.


On 19/05/2022 12:04, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Thu, 19 May 2022 11:50:20 +0100
schrieb mark salmon:

I have moved away from Adobe Acrobat for PDFs as there are many
alternatives that are substantially cheaper and in fact in many
cases better.  However as my Adobe licence has just run out it
seems I can no longer generate PDF documents- I get the pdf in
acrobat but I can't access it as an adobe page comes up asking me
to re-licence Acrobat but I want to continue using PDFexpert
instead- How do I change the preferences with Lyx to stop it
assuming I am using Adobe Acrobat for PDFs and instead use
PDFExpert for pdf output?
Many thanks,
Mark

Select
Tools->Preferences->File Handling->File Formats->Format
    Select there the relevant PDF output, e.g. 'PDF (pdflatex)'
    and select the Viewer to what you desire.

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Re: Acrobat pdf

2022-05-19 Thread mark salmon

Thank you Kornel- when I get to Viewer ( for pdflatex) it gives me only 
2 options- None or Custom- alongside Custom  in another box it also has 
" auto". No mention of PDF Expert or in fact Adobe Acrobat--what do I 
haver to do now to make lyx use PDF Expert??

Cheers,
Mark

On 19/05/2022 12:04, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Thu, 19 May 2022 11:50:20 +0100
schrieb mark salmon:


I have moved away from Adobe Acrobat for PDFs as there are many
alternatives that are substantially cheaper and in fact in many cases
better. However as my Adobe licence has just run out it seems I can no
longer generate PDF documents- I get the pdf  in acrobat but I can't
access it as an adobe page comes up asking me to re-licence Acrobat but
I want to  continue using PDFexpert instead- How do I change the
preferences with Lyx to stop it assuming I am using Adobe Acrobat for
PDFs and instead use PDFExpert for pdf output?
Many thanks,
Mark

Select
Tools->Preferences->File Handling->File Formats->Format
Select there the relevant PDF output, e.g. 'PDF (pdflatex)'
and select the Viewer to what you desire.

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Acrobat pdf

2022-05-19 Thread mark salmon

I have moved away from Adobe Acrobat for PDFs as there are many 
alternatives that are substantially cheaper and in fact in many cases 
better. However as my Adobe licence has just run out it seems I can no 
longer generate PDF documents- I get the pdf  in acrobat but I can't 
access it as an adobe page comes up asking me to re-licence Acrobat but 
I want to  continue using PDFexpert instead- How do I change the 
preferences with Lyx to stop it assuming I am using Adobe Acrobat for 
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Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where
is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like
many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX
is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time
and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear
and Mac support is terrible.

From:  Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25
To:  lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject:  Adding new class into LyX

Hi

I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's
associated files can be found at
http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip

I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this,
but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've
followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work.

Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding
this type of document.

I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit.

Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template
provided?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Kind Regards
Steven Fredman

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

Aplogies for lack of immediate  response - I had to teach. I have had
frustrations with Lyx  ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago.
Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New
file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when
there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out
what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing
use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly
the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates  etc.
in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a
New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires
external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how
frustrating this is when you are under pressure???  I am not a TeX speaker
but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that  you have helped to
create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it
does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I
believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you
have helped create Lyx in the form it is today  thank you- but that is not
the point  nobody should put any software out to the public which does not
work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not
professional.
Mark

From:  Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44
To:  Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr
Cc:  Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman
stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu:
 Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-)  The users should be able to tell the
 problems they meet.

Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and
terrible support.
 
 It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very
 easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the
 WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components
 that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software
 costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the
 same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not
 very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have
 switched to Lyx).

Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were
attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of
has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented
if someone finds the time and interest.

OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for
help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have
responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to
write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already).

So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such
unconstructive rants is rather limited.

Jürgen

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

Murat 
Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and
wasted my time are well known by other users and there are solutions to
them  as you say - then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the
latest beta?
I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes
are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to
use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on
particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to
remove them when the  software is upgraded? This applies equally to open
source community based as to commercial software.
Mark

From:  Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39
To:  Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com
Cc:  Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu
murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX

Mark,

I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are
small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can
search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions
to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from
you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your
responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)...

There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER
module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in
the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used
to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer
module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all
been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble,
but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at
the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not
necessary in the newer versions of beamer.

In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated
developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And
I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the
public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user).

Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave
it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the
responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft
before adopting it  (because adopting a new software is a time consuming
process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of
making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs,
instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive
judgements. 

I hope that you will quickly solve your problems.

Murat


2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com:
 Aplogies for lack of immediate  response - I had to teach. I have had
 frustrations with Lyx  ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago.
 Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New
 file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when
 there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out
 what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use
 theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the
 installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates  etc. in
 the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New
 from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external
 files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how
 frustrating this is when you are under pressure???  I am not a TeX speaker but
 someone who needs to use the wonderful system that  you have helped to create
 in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not
 work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully
 understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx
 in the form it is today  thank you- but that is not the point  nobody should
 put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time
 as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional.
 Mark
 
 From:  Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
 Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44
 To:  Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr
 Cc:  Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman
 stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX
 
 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu:
 Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-)  The users should be able to tell the
 problems they meet.
 
 Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and
 terrible support.
  
 It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where
is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like
many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX
is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time
and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear
and Mac support is terrible.

From:  Steven Fredman stevenfred...@gmail.com
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25
To:  lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject:  Adding new class into LyX

Hi

I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's
associated files can be found at
http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip

I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this,
but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've
followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work.

Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding
this type of document.

I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit.

Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template
provided?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Kind Regards
Steven Fredman

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

Aplogies for lack of immediate  response - I had to teach. I have had
frustrations with Lyx  ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago.
Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New
file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when
there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out
what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing
use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly
the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates  etc.
in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a
New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires
external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how
frustrating this is when you are under pressure???  I am not a TeX speaker
but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that  you have helped to
create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it
does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I
believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you
have helped create Lyx in the form it is today  thank you- but that is not
the point  nobody should put any software out to the public which does not
work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not
professional.
Mark

From:  Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44
To:  Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr
Cc:  Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman
stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu:
 Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-)  The users should be able to tell the
 problems they meet.

Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and
terrible support.
 
 It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very
 easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the
 WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components
 that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software
 costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the
 same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not
 very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have
 switched to Lyx).

Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were
attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of
has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented
if someone finds the time and interest.

OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for
help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have
responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to
write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already).

So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such
unconstructive rants is rather limited.

Jürgen

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

Murat 
Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and
wasted my time are well known by other users and there are solutions to
them  as you say - then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the
latest beta?
I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes
are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to
use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on
particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to
remove them when the  software is upgraded? This applies equally to open
source community based as to commercial software.
Mark

From:  Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39
To:  Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com
Cc:  Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org, Murat Yildizoglu
murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX

Mark,

I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are
small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can
search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions
to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from
you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your
responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)...

There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER
module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in
the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used
to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer
module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all
been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble,
but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at
the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not
necessary in the newer versions of beamer.

In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated
developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And
I am grateful to them that they indeed put this software out to the
public, to which I belong (I am mainly a user).

Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply take it or leave
it to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the
responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft
before adopting it  (because adopting a new software is a time consuming
process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of
making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs,
instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive
judgements. 

I hope that you will quickly solve your problems.

Murat


2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com:
 Aplogies for lack of immediate  response - I had to teach. I have had
 frustrations with Lyx  ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago.
 Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New
 file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when
 there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out
 what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use
 theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the
 installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates  etc. in
 the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New
 from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external
 files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how
 frustrating this is when you are under pressure???  I am not a TeX speaker but
 someone who needs to use the wonderful system that  you have helped to create
 in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not
 work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully
 understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx
 in the form it is today  thank you- but that is not the point  nobody should
 put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time
 as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional.
 Mark
 
 From:  Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org
 Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44
 To:  Murat Yildizoglu murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr
 Cc:  Mark Salmon markhsal...@gmail.com, Steven Fredman
 stevenfred...@gmail.com, LyX Users List lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX
 
 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu:
 Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-)  The users should be able to tell the
 problems they meet.
 
 Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix a total waste of time and
 terrible support.
  
 It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

I totally agree!!!I have wasted so much time trying and given up. Also where
is the best repository for alternative classes- I am using a Mac OSX - like
many Mac users have nearly given up with LyX¹s lack of support for Mac- LyX
is a pleasure when it works but when it doesn¹t it is a total waste of time
and time is something we just don¹t have. The documentation just isn¹t clear
and Mac support is terrible.

From:  Steven Fredman 
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 09:25
To:  
Subject:  Adding new class into LyX

Hi

I'm trying to import a new class into LyX. The class and all of it's
associated files can be found at
http://labproj.eie.wits.ac.za/labproj/papers/witseie-paper-2005.zip

I've spent quite a bit of time on Google looking for a method to do this,
but all of the tutorials are vague and seem to contradict each other - I've
followed the instructions on a number of them and they don't seem to work.

Can you please give me a clear set of instructions of how to go about adding
this type of document.

I'm running LyX Version 2.0.7 with MiKTeX 2.9.4248 on Windows 8 64-bit.

Alternatively, is there a better or easier way for me to use the template
provided?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Kind Regards
Steven Fredman

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

Aplogies for lack of immediate  response - I had to teach. I have had
frustrations with Lyx  ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago.
Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New
file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when
there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out
what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing
use theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly
the installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates  etc.
in the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a
New from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires
external files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how
frustrating this is when you are under pressure???  I am not a TeX speaker
but someone who needs to use the wonderful system that  you have helped to
create in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it
does not work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I
believe. I fully understand your effort and all those who along with you
have helped create Lyx in the form it is today  thank you- but that is not
the point  nobody should put any software out to the public which does not
work as it should my time as yours is valuable. It is simply not
professional.
Mark

From:  Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org>
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44
To:  Murat Yildizoglu <murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr>
Cc:  Mark Salmon <markhsal...@gmail.com>, Steven Fredman
<stevenfred...@gmail.com>, LyX Users List <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu:
> Don't get vexed so quickly Jürgen :-)  The users should be able to tell the
> problems they meet.

Sure, but in a constructive way. We cannot fix "a total waste of time" and
"terrible support".
 
> It is true that writing a module for supporting a new class file is not very
> easy, but I do not know how it could be. We must find a way to tell to the
> WSYWYM software a way to represent on the screen the new logical components
> that are specific to this new class. Scientific Word (a commercial software
> costing a LOT money- especially in France) has always been confronted to the
> same problem, even if they provided a graphical style composer (it was not
> very easy to use either, but I have not tested it recently, since I have
> switched to Lyx).

Sure. We all want some graphical tool to setup layout files. There even were
attempts to do so. But then, we are about 7 persons in the core team, all of
has have a job and a career, so it is a it is in OSS: Things get implemented
if someone finds the time and interest.

OTOH, I think LyX has a great community. Usually, if someone requests for
help with setting up a layout, he gets help within the same day. I have
responded the OP within minutes, even though I actually have a paper to
write myself at this very moment (where the deadline has passed already).

So with all respect to wishes and dreams, my understanding for such
unconstructive rants is rather limited.

Jürgen

Re: Adding new class into LyX

2014-03-28 Thread Mark Salmon

Murat 
Thank you for your reply. If these problems which have frustrated me and
wasted my time are well known by other users and there are solutions to
them  as you say - then WHY have the solutions not been embedded in the
latest beta?
I understand software development issues and the need to update as changes
are made but my comment above remains- as a simple user I need to be able to
use the software- if there are well know problems in the software on
particular platforms then surely the developers have a responsibility to
remove them when the  software is upgraded? This applies equally to open
source community based as to commercial software.
Mark

From:  Murat Yildizoglu <murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr>
Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 13:39
To:  Mark Salmon <markhsal...@gmail.com>
Cc:  Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org>, Murat Yildizoglu
<murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr>, LyX Users List <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX

Mark,

I understand your frustrations, but these installation discrepancies are
small problems, and they are perfectly known normally by the users (you can
search the mail list, and you will find these problems there and solutions
to them). So you have not been cheated by a commercial vendor hiding from
you the deficiencies of the product he sells (see below on your
responsibilities as a user, from my point of view as a user)...

There was also a lot of discussion about the big rewriting of the BEAMER
module in the previous beta version. This is a big change, but it goes in
the correct direction, even if each of us had to take sometime to get used
to the new standard. You should read the documentation on the new beamer
module. My beamer slides from much older versions of LyX have nearly all
been imported without any big problems (including elements in the preamble,
but see the end of this paragraph). You sometime need to add a separation at
the end of a slide, and eliminate instructions - old tricks - that are not
necessary in the newer versions of beamer.

In any case, this is a software developed by a community of dedicated
developers with limited resources, as J ürgen reminds it in his message. And
I am grateful to them that they indeed "put this software out to the
public", to which I belong (I am mainly a user).

Communities developing open source softs cannot just reply "take it or leave
it" to users who formulate criticisms, but these users have also the
responsibility of taking time to collect some information about the soft
before adopting it  (because adopting a new software is a time consuming
process, whatever is the software - commercial like SWP or not), and of
making suggestions of amelioration for the soft, when they have new needs,
instead of flaming the community with their definitive improductive
judgements. 

I hope that you will quickly solve your problems.

Murat


2014-03-28 13:58 GMT+01:00 Mark Salmon <markhsal...@gmail.com>:
> Aplogies for lack of immediate  response - I had to teach. I have had
> frustrations with Lyx  ever since I moved from SciWord several years ago.
> Yesterday I upgraded to the latest beta and now when I try and load up a New
> file I get the error message that there is no begin document command when
> there clearly is in the source file- I wasted half a day trying to work out
> what was wrong- in fact I still don¹t know what was wrong but by removing use
> theme warsaw from the Latex preamble it works for some reason- secondly the
> installation on MacOSx does not drop the relevant files -templates  etc. in
> the right places where the system can find them - so when I ask for a New
> from template I am told the file will not compile as it requires external
> files which are not available.etc. Etc. etc. can you understand how
> frustrating this is when you are under pressure???  I am not a TeX speaker but
> someone who needs to use the wonderful system that  you have helped to create
> in a professional context. However. It is just a real pain that it does not
> work properly on a Mac largely because of install problems I believe. I fully
> understand your effort and all those who along with you have helped create Lyx
> in the form it is today  thank you- but that is not the point  nobody should
> put any software out to the public which does not work as it should my time
> as yours is valuable. It is simply not professional.
> Mark
> 
> From:  Jürgen Spitzmüller <sp...@lyx.org>
> Date:  Friday, 28 March 2014 10:44
> To:  Murat Yildizoglu <murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr>
> Cc:  Mark Salmon <markhsal...@gmail.com>, Steven Fredman
> <stevenfred...@gmail.com>, LyX Users List <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
> Subject:  Re: Adding new class into LyX
> 
> 2014-03-28 11:33 GMT+01:00 Murat Yildizoglu:
>> Don't get vexed so

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