Re: Double quote marks...........
On 7/21/20 9:13 PM, Charlie wrote: > Thoughts from my Keyboard: > > Hello Everyone, > > Using LyX Version 2.3.5.2 Debian Bullseye [testing] upgraded. > > In a document attempted to use double quote marks " by Shift + " keys, > and only single quote marks ' were placed. > > Read something on the net regarding Ctrl + " which didn't work. > > So tried Ctrl + Shift " which did. I haven't come across this before > and wondered if it is my keyboard or is this what LyX does now? If the > latter, where can I read about such changes in the future? To get ", you do Shift and ', right? (I.e., " is on the same key as ', but you have to hit Shift to get it.) So this is what you should expect. It's not Ctrl + the " *key*. It is Ctrl + the " *character*. Riki -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Double quote marks...........
On 7/22/20 4:10 AM, Charlie wrote:
Paul A. Rubin informed me regarding: Re: Double quote
marks... on Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:08:22 -0400
On 7/21/20 9:13 PM, Charlie wrote:
Thoughts from my Keyboard:
Hello Everyone,
Using LyX Version 2.3.5.2 Debian Bullseye [testing] upgraded.
In a document attempted to use double quote marks " by Shift + "
keys, and only single quote marks ' were placed.
Read something on the net regarding Ctrl + " which didn't work.
So tried Ctrl + Shift " which did. I haven't come across this before
and wondered if it is my keyboard or is this what LyX does now? If
the latter, where can I read about such changes in the future?
Thank you,
Charlie
East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
http://www.egwildlife.com.au/
If you navigate to Tools > Preferences... > Editing > Shortcuts and
look up the "quote-insert" function, what does it show? For me, it
shows the double quote symbol ("). If you have something else, try
replacing it with the double quote character.
Paul
Replied thus:
Thank you Paul,
Under:
"Cursor, mouse and editing functions" I find:
quote-insert "
quote-insert inner Alt+"
quote-insert outer auto plain Ctrl+"
Lyx certainly doesn't obey these.
Don't know how to modify the latter one to just have ["] as the first.
I may have to delete the key to make that work, but am unsure if it
hits the fan that I can get it back, or if it will obey that shortcut
as it doesn't the first one?
Thank you for pointing me to this. Have never had cause to look there.
Be well,
Charlie
East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
http://www.egwildlife.com.au/
Charlie,
This is certainly curious. What you found matches what I have (on Mint,
with LyX 2.3.5.1). I assume that Shift+" works for you as expected in
other applications.
It's a bit of a long-shot, but if you return to the Shortcuts section of
the preferences dialog and type " in the search box ("Show key-bindings
containing:"), you should see all bindings that involve the quote key.
Is it by any chance bound to something else besides quote-insert? I'm
not sure this is possible in LyX, but then again I'm not sure your
symptoms are possible. :-)
Paul
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Re: Double quote marks...........
Paul A. Rubin informed me regarding: Re: Double quote
marks... on Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:08:22 -0400
> On 7/21/20 9:13 PM, Charlie wrote:
> > Thoughts from my Keyboard:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Using LyX Version 2.3.5.2 Debian Bullseye [testing] upgraded.
> >
> > In a document attempted to use double quote marks " by Shift + "
> > keys, and only single quote marks ' were placed.
> >
> > Read something on the net regarding Ctrl + " which didn't work.
> >
> > So tried Ctrl + Shift " which did. I haven't come across this before
> > and wondered if it is my keyboard or is this what LyX does now? If
> > the latter, where can I read about such changes in the future?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Charlie
> >
> > East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
> > http://www.egwildlife.com.au/
> >
> >
> If you navigate to Tools > Preferences... > Editing > Shortcuts and
> look up the "quote-insert" function, what does it show? For me, it
> shows the double quote symbol ("). If you have something else, try
> replacing it with the double quote character.
>
> Paul
Replied thus:
Thank you Paul,
Under:
"Cursor, mouse and editing functions" I find:
quote-insert "
quote-insert inner Alt+"
quote-insert outer auto plain Ctrl+"
Lyx certainly doesn't obey these.
Don't know how to modify the latter one to just have ["] as the first.
I may have to delete the key to make that work, but am unsure if it
hits the fan that I can get it back, or if it will obey that shortcut
as it doesn't the first one?
Thank you for pointing me to this. Have never had cause to look there.
Be well,
Charlie
East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
http://www.egwildlife.com.au/
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Re: Double quote marks...........
On 7/21/20 9:13 PM, Charlie wrote:
Thoughts from my Keyboard:
Hello Everyone,
Using LyX Version 2.3.5.2 Debian Bullseye [testing] upgraded.
In a document attempted to use double quote marks " by Shift + " keys,
and only single quote marks ' were placed.
Read something on the net regarding Ctrl + " which didn't work.
So tried Ctrl + Shift " which did. I haven't come across this before
and wondered if it is my keyboard or is this what LyX does now? If the
latter, where can I read about such changes in the future?
Thank you,
Charlie
East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc..
http://www.egwildlife.com.au/
If you navigate to Tools > Preferences... > Editing > Shortcuts and look
up the "quote-insert" function, what does it show? For me, it shows the
double quote symbol ("). If you have something else, try replacing it
with the double quote character.
Paul
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lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
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Double quote marks...........
Thoughts from my Keyboard: Hello Everyone, Using LyX Version 2.3.5.2 Debian Bullseye [testing] upgraded. In a document attempted to use double quote marks " by Shift + " keys, and only single quote marks ' were placed. Read something on the net regarding Ctrl + " which didn't work. So tried Ctrl + Shift " which did. I haven't come across this before and wondered if it is my keyboard or is this what LyX does now? If the latter, where can I read about such changes in the future? Thank you, Charlie East Gippsland Wildlife Rehabilitators Inc.. http://www.egwildlife.com.au/ -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** I never let my schooling interfere with my education. --Mark Twain *** Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. - -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: FW: space between single and right double quote marks
Helge Hafting wrote:
> A ligature break prevents a wrong ligature from being made.
> a single quote followed by a double quote still looks bad,
> it will look like a "triple quote". What he wants is text that
> really looks like a single quote followed by a double quote.
> That is achievable by putting a small space between the
> single and the double quote.
>
> This gets right automatically with the << style of quoting,
> but not with the '' style of quoting.
As I already wrote: This is because LyX exports, depending on your settings,
``The word was `foo''' to LaTeX. It is impossible for LaTeX to detect the
second pair as a double quote without destroying the kerning. The solution
is: ``The word was `foo'\textquotedblright{}
The guillemets get right, because at least the inner quotation marks do not
use active characters.
The current insetquote is just to dumb to get this right, because these
quotation marks have to be used at different positions in different
languages.
Jürgen
BTW:
try
% in preamble
\usepackage[strict,babel]{csquotes}
\MakeAutoQuote{»}{«}
% in text
»The word was »foo««
Re: FW: space between single and right double quote marks
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Georg> Daniel Watkins wrote:
The word was 'foo'\InsetSpace \thinspace{}
Georg> This is 1.4. There is no small space in 1.3, you have to use
Georg> ERT.
And what about a ligature break?
A ligature break prevents a wrong ligature from being made.
a single quote followed by a double quote still looks bad,
it will look like a "triple quote". What he wants is text that
really looks like a single quote followed by a double quote.
That is achievable by putting a small space between the
single and the double quote.
This gets right automatically with the << style of quoting,
but not with the '' style of quoting.
Looking closer at this, I don't get an exact "triple quote".
The distance from the single quote to the double is slightly
larger than the distance between the two quotes in a double,
but this is so slight that it hardly is noticeable. So it seems that
the spacing mechanism works as expected, but the _font_
has bad kerning for this particular case. So perhaps lyx shouldn't
insert a thin space automatically, some fonts may do this
better already. We might want lyx to output ligature breaks
around single quotes though,to prevent unintended ligatures.
Helge Hafting
Re: space between single and right double quote marks
Jim Osborn wrote:
> I can't seem to find a way to typeset the following text correctly:
>
> "The word was `foo,'" he said.
For the time being, the quickest solution is to use \textquotedblright{} in
ERT instead of the closing double quotation mark.
HTH,
Jürgen
Re: FW: space between single and right double quote marks
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Georg> Daniel Watkins wrote:
>> The word was 'foo'\InsetSpace \thinspace{}
Georg> This is 1.4. There is no small space in 1.3, you have to use
Georg> ERT.
And what about a ligature break?
JMarc
Re: space between single and right double quote marks
Helge Hafting wrote: > The bug exist in lyx 1.4 too, unfortunately. Things look fine on > screen, but a closing single quote followed by a closing double quote > (i.e. after the word "foo") looks like the opposite (a closing double > followed by a closing single) in the output. Ugly. It's an oldtimer: http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253 > The user can work around this by inserting a small space between the > single and double closing quote though. The best is to use the csquotes package instead of LyX's single/double quotation marks. Jürgen
Re: space between single and right double quote marks
Jim Osborn wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:11:39AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote:
This is easy in lyx-1.4... Correct spacing is added as needed, at
least that happened for me with this sort of quoting style:
«The word was » he said.
It is also possible (but cumbersome) in lyx 1.3:
Set quoting style to double qoutes. Write everything, but skip
the single quotes. Change quoting style to single quotes.
(That won't affect the existing double quotes in there.)
Now type the single quotes. Then, change the style back if you need.
Thanks, Helge,
It does exactly as you say with the
«The word was » [I'll call F style]
quoting style, but not with the
``The word was `foo' ''[I'll call E style]
style.
Here's the lyx for my E style example:
\begin_inset Quotes eld
\end_inset
The word was
\begin_inset Quotes els
\end_inset
foo
\begin_inset Quotes ers
\end_inset
\begin_inset Quotes erd
\end_inset
he said.
And here's the dvi:
...foo
The lyx for the F style has "fld" in place of "eld" etc., and it does
indeed produce this dvi with LyX 1.3.6:
...foo
So, apparently it's a bug, at least in LyX 1.3.6, with the E style quotes
but not the F style; I didn't test all the other possibilities.
If you have time, could you verify whether the bug exists in LyX 1.4
for the E style quotes?
The bug exist in lyx 1.4 too, unfortunately. Things look fine on
screen, but a closing single quote followed by a closing double quote
(i.e. after the word "foo") looks like the opposite (a closing double
followed by a closing single) in the output. Ugly.
The user can work around this by inserting a small space between the
single and double closing quote though.
The spacing should be correct too. If it isn't note that both
lyx 1.3 and lyx 1.4 have "small spaces" in the insert menu.
I can't find a "small space" in my LyX 1.3.6 Insert->Special Character
menu. I have these choices:
Sorry, I was wrong. There is no small space in lyx 1.3. You can
use ERT to insert a \thinspace{} though.
Helge Hafting
Re: FW: space between single and right double quote marks
Daniel Watkins wrote:
> The word was 'foo'\InsetSpace \thinspace{}
This is 1.4. There is no small space in 1.3, you have to use ERT.
Georg
Re: FW: space between single and right double quote marks
> ``The word was `foo' ''[I'll call E style] style.
Try using C-Shift-Space to create a thin space. The LyX is as follows:
\begin_body
\begin_layout Standard
\begin_inset Quotes eld
\end_inset
The word was 'foo'\InsetSpace \thinspace{}
\begin_inset Quotes erd
\end_inset
\end_layout
\end_body
Hoping this helps,
Dan
Re: space between single and right double quote marks
On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 10:11:39AM +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > This is easy in lyx-1.4... Correct spacing is added as needed, at > least that happened for me with this sort of quoting style: > «The word was » he said. > > It is also possible (but cumbersome) in lyx 1.3: > Set quoting style to double qoutes. Write everything, but skip > the single quotes. Change quoting style to single quotes. > (That won't affect the existing double quotes in there.) > Now type the single quotes. Then, change the style back if you need. Thanks, Helge, It does exactly as you say with the «The word was » [I'll call F style] quoting style, but not with the ``The word was `foo' ''[I'll call E style] style. Here's the lyx for my E style example: \begin_inset Quotes eld \end_inset The word was \begin_inset Quotes els \end_inset foo \begin_inset Quotes ers \end_inset \begin_inset Quotes erd \end_inset he said. And here's the dvi: ...foo The lyx for the F style has "fld" in place of "eld" etc., and it does indeed produce this dvi with LyX 1.3.6: ...foo So, apparently it's a bug, at least in LyX 1.3.6, with the E style quotes but not the F style; I didn't test all the other possibilities. If you have time, could you verify whether the bug exists in LyX 1.4 for the E style quotes? > The spacing should be correct too. If it isn't note that both > lyx 1.3 and lyx 1.4 have "small spaces" in the insert menu. I can't find a "small space" in my LyX 1.3.6 Insert->Special Character menu. I have these choices: Superscript Subscript Hfill Hyphenation Point Ligature Break Protected Blank Line Break Ellipsis End of Sentence Ordinary Quote Menu Separator Protected Blank puts this in the lyx: \SpecialChar ~ and produces exactly the same size space as an ordinary space, one em, as my eyes measure it. An ERT \ does the same. The that appears between the single and double quotes in my examples looks like about one-third of an em. Am I looking on the wrong menu for the "small spaces" you mention? Thanks again for the help. Jim
Re: space between single and right double quote marks
Jim Osborn wrote: I can't seem to find a way to typeset the following text correctly: "The word was `foo,'" he said. The default result is: ...foo, This is easy in lyx-1.4, where you do this: Set the quoting style to double qoutes. You probably have that already. Then write the sentence. Use "insert->special character->single quote" when you need a single quote for the inner citation. Correct spacing is added as needed, at least that happende for me with this sort of quoting style: «The word was » he said. It is also possible (but cumbersome) in lyx 1.3: Set quoting style to double qoutes. Write everything, but skip the single quotes. Change quoting style to single quotes. (That won't affect the existing double quotes in there.) Now type the single quotes. Then, change the style back if you need. The spacing should be correct too. If it isn't note that both lyx 1.3 and lyx 1.4 have "small spaces" in the insert menu. Helge Hafting
space between single and right double quote marks
I can't seem to find a way to typeset the following text correctly: "The word was `foo,'" he said. The default result is: ...foo, I'll include the entire lyx file at the end of this note, but the bit corresponding to the quote marks is: The word was `foo,' \begin_inset Quotes erd \end_inset which looks correct to me, so I don't know if I'm running into a TeX problem, or a LaTeX problem, or something within LyX. I've tried using two single quote marks in place of the double quote (that is, a string of three single quote characters), with the same result. I've tried putting a ligature break, or an ERT \null, between the single and the double quote characters, both of which produce three closely-spaced right single quote marks. For test purposes, I've tried omitting the comma, as well as changing the language to American (There doesn't seem to be a language setting in the quote-style portion of the Layout box, just the various style selections, and the \quotes_language in the lyx file remains english no matter what I set in the Edit->Preferences->Language section). The only mention of kerning hacking I find in the TeX FAQ points to the letterspace and soul packages, and the best I can get with either of them is: because apparently ERT double quotes are neither left nor right. This single/double quote situation is handled correctly on the left side of things; it seems to only be a problem on the right. Can someone point me to a workaround? Thanks, Jim The complete lyx looks like this: #LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/ \lyxformat 221 \textclass article \language english \inputencoding default \fontscheme default \graphics default \paperfontsize default \spacing single \papersize Default \paperpackage a4 \use_geometry 1 \use_amsmath 0 \use_natbib 0 \use_numerical_citations 0 \paperorientation portrait \topmargin 0.25in \bottommargin 0.625in \secnumdepth 3 \tocdepth 3 \paragraph_separation skip \defskip medskip \quotes_language english \quotes_times 2 \papercolumns 1 \papersides 1 \paperpagestyle default \layout Standard \begin_inset Quotes eld \end_inset The word was `foo,' \begin_inset Quotes erd \end_inset he said. \the_end
