Re: Fonts for LyX

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 10:37:33AM +0200, Eckhard Höffner wrote:
> Fontforge, in some special cases also inkscape. Inkscape has some
> advantaages. The first curves of the O, D, B, P, d, p or o have all been the
> same, sometimes scaled or flipped. The ampersand (et) uses a flipped 3, the
> ß is based on f+s.  The f is close to the old long s (which was used for
> example also in english printing at least until the 18th century).
> 
> But I'm actually looking for hints like: the superscripts are to bold, the
> accent grave is to far on the left side, I need bold italics small caps, the
> spacing of italic capitals (used in the headers of the standard article
> class)  must be corrected and so on.
> 
> 
> Am 01.04.23 um 20:46 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> > What tools do you use to develop the font?

Thanks for sharing those details!

Scott


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Re: Fonts for LyX

[Eckhard Höffner]

Fontforge, in some special cases also inkscape. Inkscape has some 
advantaages. The first curves of the O, D, B, P, d, p or o have all been 
the same, sometimes scaled or flipped. The ampersand (et) uses a flipped 
3, the ß is based on f+s.  The f is close to the old long s (which was 
used for example also in english printing at least until the 18th century).


But I'm actually looking for hints like: the superscripts are to bold, 
the accent grave is to far on the left side, I need bold italics small 
caps, the spacing of italic capitals (used in the headers of the 
standard article class)  must be corrected and so on.



Am 01.04.23 um 20:46 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:

What tools do you use to develop the font?


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Re: Fonts for LyX

[Herbert Voss]

Am 02.04.23 um 01:40 schrieb Steve Litt:


[slitt@mydesk VES]$ ls -l
total 484
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt  90264 Mar 28 23:17 CMRV11-Italic.otf
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 139244 Apr  1 13:36 CMRV11-Regular.otf
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt  82044 Apr  1 13:35 CMRV11-Semibold-Italic.otf
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 174576 Apr  1 13:35 CMRV11-Semibold.otf
[slitt@mydesk VES]$

Some questions:

1. Where do I put these four files so they're visible to my (CTAN
installed) TeXLive system yet not intermingled with TeXLive provided
fonts?


Depends on how you are using the fonts: Only for TeX or systemwide?
For TeX save it into ../texlive/texmf-local/fonts/opentype/

for systemwide (includes TeX) into eg /usr/local/share/fonts/


2. How do I install them? I assume I run texhash, but what else?


xetex needs texhash, but luatex will create its own font database.

However, you can use the fonts only with xetex/xelatex and luatex/lualatex.
For pdftex/pdflatex you have to create some more files with fontinst. Kind
of complicated ...

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Re: Fonts for LyX

[Steve Litt]

Eckhard Höffner said on Sat, 1 Apr 2023 15:56:58 +0200


>At the following link you can find the font and a long PDF document 
>created with LyX, which practically only uses the package realscripts 
>for the preamble.
>
>https://www.fatto.de/wiki/doku.php/playground:font

Thanks Eckhard,

OK, so I downloaded the four fonts:

[slitt@mydesk VES]$ ls -l
total 484
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt  90264 Mar 28 23:17 CMRV11-Italic.otf
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 139244 Apr  1 13:36 CMRV11-Regular.otf
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt  82044 Apr  1 13:35 CMRV11-Semibold-Italic.otf
-rw-r--r-- 1 slitt slitt 174576 Apr  1 13:35 CMRV11-Semibold.otf
[slitt@mydesk VES]$

Some questions:

1. Where do I put these four files so they're visible to my (CTAN
installed) TeXLive system yet not intermingled with TeXLive provided
fonts?

2. How do I install them? I assume I run texhash, but what else?

Thanks,

SteveT

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Re: Fonts for LyX

[Eckhard Höffner]

Thanks.  The old style numbers appear somewhat strange at first glance, 
i agree. I copied them from the original Didot fonts from about 1810.  I 
also stumbled over the numbers at the beginning, but only at the 
beginning. The four is quite big, for example.


There are also parallel (default) and mono spaced numbers.  You can 
switch the style by inserting a tex-box:


\addfontfeatures{Numbers={Lining, Monospaced}}

\addfontfeatures{Numbers={OldStyle}}

That's also the reason I use realscripts, because footnote numbers in 
"old style" look strange. But for usual text I'm quite happy with the 
old style numbers (e. g. page 16). They do not stand out at all, while 
normal numerals look like a block of capital letters. Anyway, the fonts 
are hardly made for long series of numbers. There are much better ones.


My plan was to have a legible font (print and pdf), but not a variant of 
Bembo, Garamond or Times, for example, because TexLive has really good 
fonts of that kind.



Am 01.04.23 um 20:46 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:

Thanks for sharing, Eckhard! I looked at the pdf there. Cool font!

What tools do you use to develop the font?

I took a look at the PDF. One thing I noticed is that for the page numbers, in 
41 and 42 they appear to be centered vertically but for 43 it seems more like 
top aligned. Not sure if that makes sense, but it seemed a little off to me.

Good work!

Scott


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Re: Fonts for LyX

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sat, Apr 01, 2023 at 03:56:58PM +0200, Eckhard Höffner wrote:
> Hello all,
> this is not really a central Lyx topic, but I hope I'll be forgiven.
> 
> I have started designing a font. As I have been working with Lyx for over 20
> years, and the font should primarily work well with LyX (XeTeX), be usable
> without problems. Other uses don't interest me so much.
> 
> At the following link you can find the font and a long PDF document created
> with LyX, which practically only uses the package realscripts for the
> preamble.
> 
> https://www.fatto.de/wiki/doku.php/playground:font
> 
> Therefore my question: Is anyone interested in supporting me, i.e. finding
> errors, making suggestions for improvement, etc.?

Thanks for sharing, Eckhard! I looked at the pdf there. Cool font!

What tools do you use to develop the font?

I took a look at the PDF. One thing I noticed is that for the page numbers, in 
41 and 42 they appear to be centered vertically but for 43 it seems more like 
top aligned. Not sure if that makes sense, but it seemed a little off to me.

Good work!

Scott


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Fonts for LyX

[Eckhard Höffner]

Hello all,
this is not really a central Lyx topic, but I hope I'll be forgiven.

I have started designing a font. As I have been working with Lyx for 
over 20 years, and the font should primarily work well with LyX (XeTeX), 
be usable without problems. Other uses don't interest me so much.


At the following link you can find the font and a long PDF document 
created with LyX, which practically only uses the package realscripts 
for the preamble.


https://www.fatto.de/wiki/doku.php/playground:font

Therefore my question: Is anyone interested in supporting me, i.e. 
finding errors, making suggestions for improvement, etc.?


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Re: Fonts in Lyx

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 1/16/21 11:57 AM, Néstor wrote:

Hello,

I would like to format a book, I like to use two fonts, one for normal
chapters, another one for some special chapters. The special font
should be looking like handwritten, script.

I have tried to install Kurier font which is the closest choice, but
no luck, it says "uninstalled", even if I have installed it by hand.

When I choose to use any font, I select one, it complaints.

Thank you.


Did you reconfigure LyX after installing Kurier?

I'm not sure what you mean by your last sentence. If LyX is issuing 
error messages when you choose a font, what specifically do the errors say?


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Fonts in Lyx

[Néstor]

Hello,

I would like to format a book, I like to use two fonts, one for normal
chapters, another one for some special chapters. The special font
should be looking like handwritten, script.

I have tried to install Kurier font which is the closest choice, but
no luck, it says "uninstalled", even if I have installed it by hand.

When I choose to use any font, I select one, it complaints.

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Re: Gothic style fonts in LyX/MikTeX

[Cris Fuhrman]

On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 12:35 PM Ricardo Berlasso 
wrote:

> If you are willing to use XeTeX instead of plain LaTeX, setting up a new
> font-family that uses ...
>

Thanks for the pointer - that option finds my Windows fonts, one of which
is Old English Text MT, and it shows nicely in the PDF. It's easy enough to
make sure that's installed on the system. Cheers!

Re: Gothic style fonts in LyX/MikTeX

[Will Parsons]

On Sunday, 26 Aug 2018 12:34 PM -0400, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> --d9d04105745930f6
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> El dom., 26 ago. 2018 a las 16:58, Cris Fuhrman ()
> escribi=C3=B3:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> For a project, I wanted to use an old-English/Germanic style font. I foun=
> d
>> some in yfonts, but it's tricky to install/setup with MikTeX (not
>> automatic) because it requires a local tex install. There are instruction=
> s
>> at https://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/InstallType1Fonts and also on StackOverflow
>> for Type1 installs. Not impossible, but less easy to reproduce between my
>> PC at home and work.
>>
>> Is there a gothic-like font that will work well with LyX/MikTeX
>> automagically?
>>
>
> Will that font be used for the whole document or just for particular
> paragraphs? If you are willing to use XeTeX instead of plain LaTeX, setting
> up a new font-family that uses an Unicode Blackletter typeface such as
> UniFraktur(1) is really easy.
>
> (1) http://unifraktur.sourceforge.net/

I have nothing to address the original question, but I will point out
that a Fraktur typeface is *not* a suitable substitute for an "Old
English" typeface (e.g., the kind you see in old English Bibles).

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Re: Gothic style fonts in LyX/MikTeX

[Ricardo Berlasso]

El dom., 26 ago. 2018 a las 16:58, Cris Fuhrman ()
escribió:

> Hello,
>
> For a project, I wanted to use an old-English/Germanic style font. I found
> some in yfonts, but it's tricky to install/setup with MikTeX (not
> automatic) because it requires a local tex install. There are instructions
> at https://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/InstallType1Fonts and also on StackOverflow
> for Type1 installs. Not impossible, but less easy to reproduce between my
> PC at home and work.
>
> Is there a gothic-like font that will work well with LyX/MikTeX
> automagically?
>

Will that font be used for the whole document or just for particular
paragraphs? If you are willing to use XeTeX instead of plain LaTeX, setting
up a new font-family that uses an Unicode Blackletter typeface such as
UniFraktur(1) is really easy.

(1) http://unifraktur.sourceforge.net/

Regards,
Ricardo

Gothic style fonts in LyX/MikTeX

[Cris Fuhrman]

Hello,

For a project, I wanted to use an old-English/Germanic style font. I found
some in yfonts, but it's tricky to install/setup with MikTeX (not
automatic) because it requires a local tex install. There are instructions
at https://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/InstallType1Fonts and also on StackOverflow
for Type1 installs. Not impossible, but less easy to reproduce between my
PC at home and work.

Is there a gothic-like font that will work well with LyX/MikTeX
automagically?

display fonts in Lyx 2.0.2

[s nedunuri]

I just installed Lyx on my new machine (Windows 7) and noticed that 
compared with Lyx 2.0.0 on my old machine (also Windows 7) the display 
fonts don't look as nice. Its hard to describe except to say that they 
look somewhat faded or the characters somehow look like they were 
printed with a printer that was low on ink! I checked and all the 
settings are the same on the two Lyx's. Any ideas?


cheers

display fonts in Lyx 2.0.2

[s nedunuri]

I just installed Lyx on my new machine (Windows 7) and noticed that 
compared with Lyx 2.0.0 on my old machine (also Windows 7) the display 
fonts don't look as nice. Its hard to describe except to say that they 
look somewhat faded or the characters somehow look like they were 
printed with a printer that was low on ink! I checked and all the 
settings are the same on the two Lyx's. Any ideas?


cheers

display fonts in Lyx 2.0.2

[s nedunuri]

I just installed Lyx on my new machine (Windows 7) and noticed that 
compared with Lyx 2.0.0 on my old machine (also Windows 7) the display 
fonts don't look as nice. Its hard to describe except to say that they 
look somewhat "faded" or the characters somehow look like they were 
printed with a printer that was low on ink! I checked and all the 
settings are the same on the two Lyx's. Any ideas?


cheers

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 UDMan Liviu!

 I'd already installed xetex, but hadn't thought to reconfigure LyX.
 After reconfiguring LyX, it worked. I saw all the liberation fonts.
 Thank you!

 Now when everyone says you must use XeTeX, does that mean that in my
 scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex
 command? Should I expect any side effects or problems?

I couldn't say. Best start a new thread on this. What I heard from the
list is that XeTeX is bleeding edge development compared to the good
old and stable TeX engine. The output may be quite different since
XeTeX uses fancier typographic choices by default (somewhat similar to
'microtype'). It also eases up life if you need to combine various
Unicode characters in your documents, although XeTeX can also be used
with normal LaTeX fonts. I guess best would be to read up their
documentation and search on the internet.


 How do I compile to PDF so that the fonts are embedded in the PDF?

LyX already takes care of this. To test, compile a document, open it
with Evince, and check File  Properties  Fonts.

Regards
Liviu


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Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-08-30, Steve Litt wrote:

 Now when everyone says you must use XeTeX, does that mean that in my 
 scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex 
 command?

For non-TeX fonts (i.e. Unicode-encoded system fonts) you must use either
the XeTeX or LuaTeX engine instead of the pdfTeX/eTeX one.
Both should be used with the LaTeX macro extensions.
In most distributions, the commands are

  latex  pdfTeX engine with LaTeX macros and DVI output
  pdflatex   pdfTeX engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output
  xelatexXeTeX  engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output
  lualatex   LuaTeX engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output

Of course, LyX knows this and calls them appropriately. However, hand-made
scripts will need adaption.

 Should I expect any side effects or problems?

This depends. 

As you want to change the font anyway, minor layout changes will not be
visible (like with e.g. switching the engine but keeping Latin Modern as
text font).

Some packages are not supported (e.g. microtype is only partially supported).

Some languages are only supported by babel (package for pdfTeX) while others
are only supported by polyglossia (the language package for XeTeX)

Preamble and ERT commands might need adaption.

Günter

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 UDMan Liviu!

 I'd already installed xetex, but hadn't thought to reconfigure LyX.
 After reconfiguring LyX, it worked. I saw all the liberation fonts.
 Thank you!

 Now when everyone says you must use XeTeX, does that mean that in my
 scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex
 command? Should I expect any side effects or problems?

I couldn't say. Best start a new thread on this. What I heard from the
list is that XeTeX is bleeding edge development compared to the good
old and stable TeX engine. The output may be quite different since
XeTeX uses fancier typographic choices by default (somewhat similar to
'microtype'). It also eases up life if you need to combine various
Unicode characters in your documents, although XeTeX can also be used
with normal LaTeX fonts. I guess best would be to read up their
documentation and search on the internet.


 How do I compile to PDF so that the fonts are embedded in the PDF?

LyX already takes care of this. To test, compile a document, open it
with Evince, and check File  Properties  Fonts.

Regards
Liviu


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Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-08-30, Steve Litt wrote:

 Now when everyone says you must use XeTeX, does that mean that in my 
 scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex 
 command?

For non-TeX fonts (i.e. Unicode-encoded system fonts) you must use either
the XeTeX or LuaTeX engine instead of the pdfTeX/eTeX one.
Both should be used with the LaTeX macro extensions.
In most distributions, the commands are

  latex  pdfTeX engine with LaTeX macros and DVI output
  pdflatex   pdfTeX engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output
  xelatexXeTeX  engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output
  lualatex   LuaTeX engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output

Of course, LyX knows this and calls them appropriately. However, hand-made
scripts will need adaption.

 Should I expect any side effects or problems?

This depends. 

As you want to change the font anyway, minor layout changes will not be
visible (like with e.g. switching the engine but keeping Latin Modern as
text font).

Some packages are not supported (e.g. microtype is only partially supported).

Some languages are only supported by babel (package for pdfTeX) while others
are only supported by polyglossia (the language package for XeTeX)

Preamble and ERT commands might need adaption.

Günter

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> UDMan Liviu!
>
> I'd already installed xetex, but hadn't thought to reconfigure LyX.
> After reconfiguring LyX, it worked. I saw all the liberation fonts.
> Thank you!
>
> Now when everyone says "you must use XeTeX", does that mean that in my
> scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex
> command? Should I expect any side effects or problems?
>
I couldn't say. Best start a new thread on this. What I heard from the
list is that XeTeX is bleeding edge development compared to the good
old and stable TeX engine. The output may be quite different since
XeTeX uses fancier typographic choices by default (somewhat similar to
'microtype'). It also eases up life if you need to combine various
Unicode characters in your documents, although XeTeX can also be used
with "normal" LaTeX fonts. I guess best would be to read up their
documentation and search on the internet.


> How do I compile to PDF so that the fonts are embedded in the PDF?
>
LyX already takes care of this. To test, compile a document, open it
with Evince, and check File > Properties > Fonts.

Regards
Liviu


> Thanks
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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>
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Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-08-30, Steve Litt wrote:

> Now when everyone says "you must use XeTeX", does that mean that in my 
> scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex 
> command?

For "non-TeX fonts" (i.e. Unicode-encoded system fonts) you must use either
the XeTeX or LuaTeX "engine" instead of the pdfTeX/eTeX one.
Both should be used with the LaTeX macro extensions.
In most distributions, the commands are

  latex  pdfTeX engine with LaTeX macros and DVI output
  pdflatex   pdfTeX engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output
  xelatexXeTeX  engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output
  lualatex   LuaTeX engine with LaTeX macros and PDF output

Of course, LyX knows this and calls them appropriately. However, hand-made
scripts will need adaption.

> Should I expect any side effects or problems?

This depends. 

As you want to change the font anyway, minor layout changes will not be
visible (like with e.g. switching the engine but keeping Latin Modern as
text font).

Some packages are not supported (e.g. microtype is only partially supported).

Some languages are only supported by babel (package for pdfTeX) while others
are only supported by "polyglossia" (the language package for XeTeX)

Preamble and ERT commands might need adaption.

Günter

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

Hi Rob (or anyone else who knows the answer),

Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the question 
how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX??

Thanks

SteveT

On Monday, December 14, 2009 10:11:33 AM Rob Oakes wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 
 I think that you have one of two options.  The first, of course is
 to install the fonts onto your system in the normal way and then
 use XeTeX to compile the document.  If you choose this route, you
 can assign the font through the use of the \setfont macros:
 \setmainfont{font name}, \setsansfont{font name},
 \setmonofont{font name}
 
 If using LyX 1.6.5, you will need to set up XeLaTeX to work with
 LyX. There is information on how to do this on the wiki.  If using
 LyX SVN, it already has support built-in.  Just go to Document
 Settings - Output and enable Use XeTeX.
 
 Additional information about XeLaTex and font support is available
 at:
 
 http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-one-xelat
 ex/
 
 The alternative is to see if someone has created a font definition
 file. You can also create your own.  Additional information about
 the process is available from the excellent blog, Existential
 Type:
 
 http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-two-pdfte
 x-and-opentype/
 
 I personally prefer to go the XeLaTeX route.  Since moving over to
 LyX SVN, I use it to compile more or less everything.  While there
 are some packages it doesn't support (like microtype), I find that
 it does a good job with just about everything.  I've even been
 able to use some of the more exotic modules (like Sweave) and
 classes (like Tufte) without problems.  For an example output,
 see:
 
 http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX/Sweave-Opportunity.pdf
 
 (Aside: In the example above, using xetex allowed me to use the
 same typefaces that Tufte uses -- Bembo and Gil Sans -- without
 creating a font definition file for them -- which ranks right
 alongside major oral surgery on my priority list.)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Oakes

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the question
 how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX??

Should be. Select Fonts  Use non-TeX fonts, then (assuming that the
fonts are registered with the system) Liberation should be accessible
in the font-selection combo. Now you will be compiling your documents
with XeTeX.
Liviu

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 05:02:38 PM Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the
  question how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX??
 
 Should be. Select Fonts  Use non-TeX fonts, then (assuming that
 the fonts are registered with the system) Liberation should be
 accessible in the font-selection combo. Now you will be compiling
 your documents with XeTeX.
 Liviu


Thanks Liviu,

For some reason, the Use Non Tex Fonts checkbox on my Document 
Settings-fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 For some reason, the Use Non Tex Fonts checkbox on my Document
 Settings-fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.

Then I guess you don't have XeTeX installed. Install it, reconfigure
LyX, and after LyX restart try again the Fonts dialogue.
Liviu

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 05:31:54 PM Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  For some reason, the Use Non Tex Fonts checkbox on my Document
  Settings-fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.
 
 Then I guess you don't have XeTeX installed. Install it,
 reconfigure LyX, and after LyX restart try again the Fonts
 dialogue.
 Liviu

UDMan Liviu!

I'd already installed xetex, but hadn't thought to reconfigure LyX. 
After reconfiguring LyX, it worked. I saw all the liberation fonts. 
Thank you!

Now when everyone says you must use XeTeX, does that mean that in my 
scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex 
command? Should I expect any side effects or problems?

How do I compile to PDF so that the fonts are embedded in the PDF?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

Hi Rob (or anyone else who knows the answer),

Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the question 
how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX??

Thanks

SteveT

On Monday, December 14, 2009 10:11:33 AM Rob Oakes wrote:
 Hi Steve,
 
 I think that you have one of two options.  The first, of course is
 to install the fonts onto your system in the normal way and then
 use XeTeX to compile the document.  If you choose this route, you
 can assign the font through the use of the \setfont macros:
 \setmainfont{font name}, \setsansfont{font name},
 \setmonofont{font name}
 
 If using LyX 1.6.5, you will need to set up XeLaTeX to work with
 LyX. There is information on how to do this on the wiki.  If using
 LyX SVN, it already has support built-in.  Just go to Document
 Settings - Output and enable Use XeTeX.
 
 Additional information about XeLaTex and font support is available
 at:
 
 http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-one-xelat
 ex/
 
 The alternative is to see if someone has created a font definition
 file. You can also create your own.  Additional information about
 the process is available from the excellent blog, Existential
 Type:
 
 http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-two-pdfte
 x-and-opentype/
 
 I personally prefer to go the XeLaTeX route.  Since moving over to
 LyX SVN, I use it to compile more or less everything.  While there
 are some packages it doesn't support (like microtype), I find that
 it does a good job with just about everything.  I've even been
 able to use some of the more exotic modules (like Sweave) and
 classes (like Tufte) without problems.  For an example output,
 see:
 
 http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX/Sweave-Opportunity.pdf
 
 (Aside: In the example above, using xetex allowed me to use the
 same typefaces that Tufte uses -- Bembo and Gil Sans -- without
 creating a font definition file for them -- which ranks right
 alongside major oral surgery on my priority list.)
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rob Oakes

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the question
 how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX??

Should be. Select Fonts  Use non-TeX fonts, then (assuming that the
fonts are registered with the system) Liberation should be accessible
in the font-selection combo. Now you will be compiling your documents
with XeTeX.
Liviu

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 05:02:38 PM Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the
  question how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX??
 
 Should be. Select Fonts  Use non-TeX fonts, then (assuming that
 the fonts are registered with the system) Liberation should be
 accessible in the font-selection combo. Now you will be compiling
 your documents with XeTeX.
 Liviu


Thanks Liviu,

For some reason, the Use Non Tex Fonts checkbox on my Document 
Settings-fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
 For some reason, the Use Non Tex Fonts checkbox on my Document
 Settings-fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.

Then I guess you don't have XeTeX installed. Install it, reconfigure
LyX, and after LyX restart try again the Fonts dialogue.
Liviu

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 05:31:54 PM Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Steve Litt 
sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  For some reason, the Use Non Tex Fonts checkbox on my Document
  Settings-fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.
 
 Then I guess you don't have XeTeX installed. Install it,
 reconfigure LyX, and after LyX restart try again the Fonts
 dialogue.
 Liviu

UDMan Liviu!

I'd already installed xetex, but hadn't thought to reconfigure LyX. 
After reconfiguring LyX, it worked. I saw all the liberation fonts. 
Thank you!

Now when everyone says you must use XeTeX, does that mean that in my 
scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex 
command? Should I expect any side effects or problems?

How do I compile to PDF so that the fonts are embedded in the PDF?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

Hi Rob (or anyone else who knows the answer),

Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the question 
"how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX?"?

Thanks

SteveT

On Monday, December 14, 2009 10:11:33 AM Rob Oakes wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I think that you have one of two options.  The first, of course is
> to install the fonts onto your system in the normal way and then
> use XeTeX to compile the document.  If you choose this route, you
> can assign the font through the use of the \setfont macros:
> \setmainfont{font name}, \setsansfont{font name},
> \setmonofont{font name}
> 
> If using LyX 1.6.5, you will need to set up XeLaTeX to work with
> LyX. There is information on how to do this on the wiki.  If using
> LyX SVN, it already has support built-in.  Just go to Document
> Settings -> Output and enable "Use XeTeX".
> 
> Additional information about XeLaTex and font support is available
> at:
> 
> http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-one-xelat
> ex/
> 
> The alternative is to see if someone has created a font definition
> file. You can also create your own.  Additional information about
> the process is available from the excellent blog, Existential
> Type:
> 
> http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-two-pdfte
> x-and-opentype/
> 
> I personally prefer to go the XeLaTeX route.  Since moving over to
> LyX SVN, I use it to compile more or less everything.  While there
> are some packages it doesn't support (like microtype), I find that
> it does a good job with just about everything.  I've even been
> able to use some of the more exotic modules (like Sweave) and
> classes (like Tufte) without problems.  For an example output,
> see:
> 
> http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX/Sweave-Opportunity.pdf
> 
> (Aside: In the example above, using xetex allowed me to use the
> same typefaces that Tufte uses -- Bembo and Gil Sans -- without
> creating a font definition file for them -- which ranks right
> alongside major oral surgery on my priority list.)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rob Oakes

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the question
> "how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX?"?
>
Should be. Select Fonts > Use non-TeX fonts, then (assuming that the
fonts are registered with the system) Liberation should be accessible
in the font-selection combo. Now you will be compiling your documents
with XeTeX.
Liviu

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 05:02:38 PM Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Steve Litt 
<sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote:
> > Now that LyX 2.0 is out, is the answer any simpler to the
> > question "how do you use Liberation fonts in LyX?"?
> 
> Should be. Select Fonts > Use non-TeX fonts, then (assuming that
> the fonts are registered with the system) Liberation should be
> accessible in the font-selection combo. Now you will be compiling
> your documents with XeTeX.
> Liviu


Thanks Liviu,

For some reason, the "Use Non Tex Fonts" checkbox on my Document 
Settings->fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Steve Litt  wrote:
> For some reason, the "Use Non Tex Fonts" checkbox on my Document
> Settings->fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.
>
Then I guess you don't have XeTeX installed. Install it, reconfigure
LyX, and after LyX restart try again the Fonts dialogue.
Liviu

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 05:31:54 PM Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Steve Litt 
 wrote:
> > For some reason, the "Use Non Tex Fonts" checkbox on my Document
> > Settings->fonts screen is grayed out and can't be checked.
> 
> Then I guess you don't have XeTeX installed. Install it,
> reconfigure LyX, and after LyX restart try again the Fonts
> dialogue.
> Liviu

UDMan Liviu!

I'd already installed xetex, but hadn't thought to reconfigure LyX. 
After reconfiguring LyX, it worked. I saw all the liberation fonts. 
Thank you!

Now when everyone says "you must use XeTeX", does that mean that in my 
scripts that make books, I substitute the xetex command for the latex 
command? Should I expect any side effects or problems?

How do I compile to PDF so that the fonts are embedded in the PDF?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Author: The Key to Everyday Excellence
http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/key_excellence.htm
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:24 PM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
 show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
 Advice appreciated



Ok. Done

S.

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:24 PM, stefano franchi stefano.fran...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
 show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
 Advice appreciated



Ok. Done

S.

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:24 PM, stefano franchi  wrote:

> I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
> show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
> Advice appreciated
>
>

Ok. Done

S.

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:

 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
  stefano == stefano franchi wrote:

 Hiya Stefano,

 Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to
 get
 lost in the mailing list?


So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

Cheeers,

Stefano

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Pavel Sanda]

stefano franchi wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
 
  On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
   stefano == stefano franchi wrote:
 
  Hiya Stefano,
 
  Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to
  get
  lost in the mailing list?
 
 
 So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
 password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
 happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LuaTeX
but no pass war needed, really
pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
Advice appreciated


Cheers,

Stefano

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 stefano franchi wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
 
   On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
stefano == stefano franchi wrote:
  
   Hiya Stefano,
  
   Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not
 to
   get
   lost in the mailing list?
  
  
  So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
  password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
  happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LuaTeX
 but no pass war needed, really
 pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Pavel Sanda]

stefano franchi wrote:
 I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
 show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
 Advice appreciated

right top corner, Upload link.

pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:

 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
  stefano == stefano franchi wrote:

 Hiya Stefano,

 Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to
 get
 lost in the mailing list?


So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

Cheeers,

Stefano

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Pavel Sanda]

stefano franchi wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
 
  On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
   stefano == stefano franchi wrote:
 
  Hiya Stefano,
 
  Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to
  get
  lost in the mailing list?
 
 
 So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
 password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
 happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LuaTeX
but no pass war needed, really
pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
Advice appreciated


Cheers,

Stefano

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 stefano franchi wrote:
  On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
 
   On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
stefano == stefano franchi wrote:
  
   Hiya Stefano,
  
   Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not
 to
   get
   lost in the mailing list?
  
  
  So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
  password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
  happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

 http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LuaTeX
 but no pass war needed, really
 pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Pavel Sanda]

stefano franchi wrote:
 I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
 show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
 Advice appreciated

right top corner, Upload link.

pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour  wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
> >> "stefano" == stefano franchi wrote:
>
> Hiya Stefano,
>
> Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to
> get
> lost in the mailing list?
>
>
So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

Cheeers,

Stefano

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Pavel Sanda]

stefano franchi wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour  wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
> > >> "stefano" == stefano franchi wrote:
> >
> > Hiya Stefano,
> >
> > Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to
> > get
> > lost in the mailing list?
> >
> >
> So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
> password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
> happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LuaTeX
but no pass war needed, really
pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
Advice appreciated


Cheers,

Stefano

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> stefano franchi wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Gour  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
> > > >> "stefano" == stefano franchi wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiya Stefano,
> > >
> > > Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not
> to
> > > get
> > > lost in the mailing list?
> > >
> > >
> > So I tried to add a page to the LyX wiki, but apparently a developer's
> > password is needed. Would any developer create a LuaTex page and I will
> > happily fill itout with the (few) information I have?
>
> http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LuaTeX
> but no pass war needed, really
> pavel
>

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Pavel Sanda]

stefano franchi wrote:
> I added a very basic page and tweaked the xetex.lyx and xetex.pdf files to
> show luatex in use. But I cannot find out how yo upload the files.
> Advice appreciated

right top corner, "Upload" link.

pavel

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-13, stefano franchi wrote:
 --90e6ba5bba6103dafb0494f63b0c
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, stefano franchi

 For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX (define a
 new pdf format, etc), and switched the bibtex processor to biber in the
 preferences.

 Everyone seems to strongly recommend a switch away from babel to
 polyglossia (for XeTeX as well as for LuaTeX), but I didn't (nor would
 I know how to do so from within LyX). No problems so far.

My latest knowledge (from comp.text.tex) is that polyglossia does not
work with luatex (but may be updated to do so sometimes).

Babel should work with luatex as long as there is no font-encoding switch, i.e.
for languages using a Latin script.

Babel will switch to pre-unicode LaTeX fonts if you try it for typesetting
Cyrillic or Greek.

Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-13, stefano franchi wrote:
 --90e6ba5bba6103dafb0494f63b0c
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, stefano franchi

 For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX (define a
 new pdf format, etc), and switched the bibtex processor to biber in the
 preferences.

 Everyone seems to strongly recommend a switch away from babel to
 polyglossia (for XeTeX as well as for LuaTeX), but I didn't (nor would
 I know how to do so from within LyX). No problems so far.

My latest knowledge (from comp.text.tex) is that polyglossia does not
work with luatex (but may be updated to do so sometimes).

Babel should work with luatex as long as there is no font-encoding switch, i.e.
for languages using a Latin script.

Babel will switch to pre-unicode LaTeX fonts if you try it for typesetting
Cyrillic or Greek.

Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-13, stefano franchi wrote:
> --90e6ba5bba6103dafb0494f63b0c
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, stefano franchi

> For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX (define a
> new pdf format, etc), and switched the bibtex processor to biber in the
> preferences.

> Everyone seems to strongly recommend a switch away from babel to
> polyglossia (for XeTeX as well as for LuaTeX), but I didn't (nor would
> I know how to do so from within LyX). No problems so far.

My latest knowledge (from comp.text.tex) is that polyglossia does not
work with luatex (but may be updated to do so sometimes).

Babel should work with luatex as long as there is no font-encoding switch, i.e.
for languages using a Latin script.

Babel will switch to pre-unicode LaTeX fonts if you try it for typesetting
Cyrillic or Greek.

Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Hi Stefano,

  do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin
 kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the
 XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

 Short answer, yes.  As far as I know, it hasn't yet been discussed much in
 the Interwebs, but there are several resources you can find on it.  The
 place to probably start is the XeTeX Microtypography website:


 Hi Rob,

 thanks for the detailed instructions. I thought you had to set up the
 various microtype parameters for each font, but it turns out, as you said,
 that the default work reasonably well. At least  with my set up (using Linux
 Libertine and TeX Gyre Termes).
 Time to start tweaking the parameters to  hyphenation algorithm to make up
 for the lack of font expansion.

 Cheers,

 Stefano




Update: I was really not that happy with the lack of font expansion in
XeTeX, and decided to give LuaTeX a try. I am very happy with the results. I
am using LyX 1.6.7 with TeX Live 2010 and the latest versions of LuaTex,
luaotfload (the Open Type loading script for LuaTeX), microtype, biblatex
0.9 and biber 0.6beta
Pagination has improved considerably out of the box, with no fiddling with
its  various  parameters.

For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX (define a new pdf
format, etc), and switched the bibtex processor to biber in the preferences.

Everyone seems to strongly recommend a switch away from babel to polyglossia
(for XeTeX as well as for LuaTeX), but I didn't (nor would I know how to do
so from within LyX). No problems so far.

For my current project, the main advantage of LuaTeX over XeTeX is that
hyphenation is now much less common. I do not know if this is  only due to
font expansion or whether it is  also due, perhaps, to different default
parameters in the layout algorithm. Be it as it may, my book looks much
better.

Stefano, a very happy LuaLyXer

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Gour]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
 stefano == stefano franchi wrote:

Hiya Stefano,

stefano For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX
stefano (define a new pdf format, etc), and switched the bibtex
stefano processor to biber in the preferences.

For a long time I was thinking to move to ConTeXt, but finally decided
to stay with LyX/LaTeX...so seeing LyX + LuaTeX working is great news.

Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to get
lost in the mailing list?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, stefano franchi
stefano.fran...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Hi Stefano,

  do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin
 kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the
 XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

 Short answer, yes.  As far as I know, it hasn't yet been discussed much in
 the Interwebs, but there are several resources you can find on it.  The
 place to probably start is the XeTeX Microtypography website:


 Hi Rob,

 thanks for the detailed instructions. I thought you had to set up the
 various microtype parameters for each font, but it turns out, as you said,
 that the default work reasonably well. At least  with my set up (using Linux
 Libertine and TeX Gyre Termes).
 Time to start tweaking the parameters to  hyphenation algorithm to make up
 for the lack of font expansion.

 Cheers,

 Stefano




Update: I was really not that happy with the lack of font expansion in
XeTeX, and decided to give LuaTeX a try. I am very happy with the results. I
am using LyX 1.6.7 with TeX Live 2010 and the latest versions of LuaTex,
luaotfload (the Open Type loading script for LuaTeX), microtype, biblatex
0.9 and biber 0.6beta
Pagination has improved considerably out of the box, with no fiddling with
its  various  parameters.

For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX (define a new pdf
format, etc), and switched the bibtex processor to biber in the preferences.

Everyone seems to strongly recommend a switch away from babel to polyglossia
(for XeTeX as well as for LuaTeX), but I didn't (nor would I know how to do
so from within LyX). No problems so far.

For my current project, the main advantage of LuaTeX over XeTeX is that
hyphenation is now much less common. I do not know if this is  only due to
font expansion or whether it is  also due, perhaps, to different default
parameters in the layout algorithm. Be it as it may, my book looks much
better.

Stefano, a very happy LuaLyXer

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Gour]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
 stefano == stefano franchi wrote:

Hiya Stefano,

stefano For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX
stefano (define a new pdf format, etc), and switched the bibtex
stefano processor to biber in the preferences.

For a long time I was thinking to move to ConTeXt, but finally decided
to stay with LyX/LaTeX...so seeing LyX + LuaTeX working is great news.

Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to get
lost in the mailing list?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:22 PM, stefano franchi
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Rob Oakes  wrote:
>
>> Hi Stefano,
>>
>> > do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin
>> kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the
>> XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.
>>
>> Short answer, yes.  As far as I know, it hasn't yet been discussed much in
>> the Interwebs, but there are several resources you can find on it.  The
>> place to probably start is the XeTeX Microtypography website:
>>
>>
> Hi Rob,
>
> thanks for the detailed instructions. I thought you had to set up the
> various microtype parameters for each font, but it turns out, as you said,
> that the default work reasonably well. At least  with my set up (using Linux
> Libertine and TeX Gyre Termes).
> Time to start tweaking the parameters to  hyphenation algorithm to make up
> for the lack of font expansion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
>
>
>

Update: I was really not that happy with the lack of font expansion in
XeTeX, and decided to give LuaTeX a try. I am very happy with the results. I
am using LyX 1.6.7 with TeX Live 2010 and the latest versions of LuaTex,
luaotfload (the Open Type loading script for LuaTeX), microtype, biblatex
0.9 and biber 0.6beta
Pagination has improved considerably out of the box, with no fiddling with
its  various  parameters.

For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX (define a new pdf
format, etc), and switched the bibtex processor to biber in the preferences.

Everyone seems to strongly recommend a switch away from babel to polyglossia
(for XeTeX as well as for LuaTeX), but I didn't (nor would I know how to do
so from within LyX). No problems so far.

For my current project, the main advantage of LuaTeX over XeTeX is that
hyphenation is now much less common. I do not know if this is  only due to
font expansion or whether it is  also due, perhaps, to different default
parameters in the layout algorithm. Be it as it may, my book looks much
better.

Stefano, a very happy LuaLyXer

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Gour]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:52:59 -0600
>> "stefano" == stefano franchi wrote:

Hiya Stefano,

stefano> For Lyx, I used the method described in the wiki for XeTeX
stefano> (define a new pdf format, etc), and switched the bibtex
stefano> processor to biber in the preferences.

For a long time I was thinking to move to ConTeXt, but finally decided
to stay with LyX/LaTeX...so seeing LyX + LuaTeX working is great news.

Would you mind to add/document your 'method' to the wiki in order not to get
lost in the mailing list?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

 On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

 There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
 ready for the masses.

 On this point, I have to disagree.

 Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using
 LyX 2 for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for
 everything.  And quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I
 do with LyX 1.6.

I am glad to hear this. It also explains your enthusiasm.

Nevertheless: a development version is developing and hence can break
your documents, stop working 3 hours before the deadline, ...  
Even if the second-latest snapshot worked fine.

And there is a number of confirmed critical bugs that hold up the
release of LyX 2.

So, while I encourage people to try out LyX 2, I do not recommend it for
critical work and would not call it ready for the masses.


Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

 On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

 There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
 ready for the masses.

 On this point, I have to disagree.

 Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using
 LyX 2 for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for
 everything.  And quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I
 do with LyX 1.6.

I am glad to hear this. It also explains your enthusiasm.

Nevertheless: a development version is developing and hence can break
your documents, stop working 3 hours before the deadline, ...  
Even if the second-latest snapshot worked fine.

And there is a number of confirmed critical bugs that hold up the
release of LyX 2.

So, while I encourage people to try out LyX 2, I do not recommend it for
critical work and would not call it ready for the masses.


Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

> On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

>> There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
>> ready for the masses.

> On this point, I have to disagree.

> Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using
> LyX 2 for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for
> everything.  And quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I
> do with LyX 1.6.

I am glad to hear this. It also explains your enthusiasm.

Nevertheless: a development version is developing and hence can break
your documents, stop working 3 hours before the deadline, ...  
Even if the second-latest snapshot worked fine.

And there is a number of confirmed critical bugs that hold up the
release of LyX 2.

So, while I encourage people to try out LyX 2, I do not recommend it for
"critical" work and would not call it "ready for the masses".


Günter

Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I'm involved in an argument on another list with one of these guys who says 
TeX is ancient technology not fit for modern books. Obviously he's full of 
beans unless he's doing coffee table books, but one place where this guy's 
gonna thrash me is fonts. Unless I'm mistaken, fonts other than the ones 
packaged with your LaTeX are incredibly difficult to do in LyX/LaTeX/TeX.

Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it ready to use 
in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Gour]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 04:09:50 -0400
 Steve == Steve Litt wrote:

Steve Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it
Steve ready to use in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

Probably only by using XeTeX and/or LuaTeX.

Otoh, once when you install fonts, that's it, while having bad
typesetting engine is something which spoils the party constantly. ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
 Steve Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it
 Steve ready to use in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

 Probably only by using XeTeX and/or LuaTeX.

So you either read the wiki regarding XeTeX in 1.6.x, or dive into the
alphas or wait for 2.0. In my tests it was painless to change the
documents to XeTeX and use random system fonts.

Regards
Liviu


 Otoh, once when you install fonts, that's it, while having bad
 typesetting engine is something which spoils the party constantly. ;)


 Sincerely,
 Gour

 --

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Julien Rioux]

On 09/11/2010 10:30 AM, Rob Oakes wrote:

(Including a chapter that covers this topic in detail, amongst other
things. But it isn't quite finished. And I am not sure that it will be in time
for your debate. Otherwise, i would send that too. It's where the figures came
from.)


I find your book project very interesting as I am sure others on this 
list do. But I found two typos in the pdfs:


In Figure 1
They also _have_ a heavier stroke and are designed to ...

In Figure 2
laso - also

Cheers,
Julien

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

 gonna thrash me is fonts. Unless I'm mistaken, fonts other than the =
 ones=20
 packaged with your LaTeX are incredibly difficult to do in =
 LyX/LaTeX/TeX.

Well, there are some more TeX-ready fonts then the ones that come
packed with TeXLive or MikeTeX (also commercial ones). But for the
arbitrary system font, the better option is LuaTeX or XeTeX.


 I would specifically focus on XeTeX.  XeTeX in particular, as it uses =
 system fonts, supports OpenType, and is generally awesome.  The newest =
 version (released in TeX Live 2010) even has support for microtypography =
 and margin kerning. 

TeXLive 10 now also has a workable version of LuaTeX with even better
microtypography support. But in both cases this is still beta code.
Especially, mikrotype does not work (yet) out-of-the-box with arbitrary
fonts.

 Moreover, it's supported by LyX, which means advanced typography
 = for the masses.

There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
ready for the masses.

...

 For long texts, with footnotes, numbered figures, tables, and other =
 miscellanea, the production tool to use is LaTeX. 

Agreed.

Also, for most of these texts, there are more than enough quality free
fonts available also for pure LaTeX.

Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Rob Oakes]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

 There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
 ready for the masses.

On this point, I have to disagree.

Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using LyX 2 
for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for everything.  And 
quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I do with LyX 1.6.

The entire text for my book and innumerable articles and reports have come out 
of LyX 2, and while development versions some four or five months ago left much 
to be desired, the most recent codebase is very stable.  I quite literally 
cannot tell you the last time it crashed on me.  I so much prefer it that I 
will never go back to LyX 1.6.  (And the copy I use has my outline bits in it, 
which presumably destabilize it even more.)

I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but I think you underestimate the 
quality of your own work.  When LyX 2 is finally released, you deserve a party. 
LyX has gone from being a good program to being an exceptional one and I, for 
one, applaud you for that.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[ehud.kap...@gmail.com]

 When is the Lyx 2 release party?

On 11/9/2010 4:49 PM, Rob Oakes wrote:

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:


There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
ready for the masses.

On this point, I have to disagree.

Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using LyX 2 
for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for everything.  And 
quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I do with LyX 1.6.

The entire text for my book and innumerable articles and reports have come out 
of LyX 2, and while development versions some four or five months ago left much 
to be desired, the most recent codebase is very stable.  I quite literally 
cannot tell you the last time it crashed on me.  I so much prefer it that I 
will never go back to LyX 1.6.  (And the copy I use has my outline bits in it, 
which presumably destabilize it even more.)

I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but I think you underestimate the 
quality of your own work.  When LyX 2 is finally released, you deserve a party. 
LyX has gone from being a good program to being an exceptional one and I, for 
one, applaud you for that.

Cheers,

Rob


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness /Professor
*Director*, Center of Excellence for /Computational  System neuroscience,/
The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
*Director*, The laboratory of /Visual  Computational Neuroscience/
Depts. of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Chemical  Structural Biology
The Mount Sinai School of Medicine
One Gustave Levy Place
New York, NY, 10029

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.dewrote:

 On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

  I would specifically focus on XeTeX.  XeTeX in particular, as it uses =
  system fonts, supports OpenType, and is generally awesome.  The newest =
  version (released in TeX Live 2010) even has support for microtypography
 =
  and margin kerning.

 TeXLive 10 now also has a workable version of LuaTeX with even better
 microtypography support. But in both cases this is still beta code.
 Especially, mikrotype does not work (yet) out-of-the-box with arbitrary
 fonts.


Rob,

do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin
kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the
XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

Also, am I correct in thinking that microtypography's font expansion (which
greatly improves paragraph layout, in my opinion) is still not working in
XeTeX?


Cheers,

Stefano

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Stefano,

 do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin 
 kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the 
 XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

Short answer, yes.  As far as I know, it hasn't yet been discussed much in the 
Interwebs, but there are several resources you can find on it.  The place to 
probably start is the XeTeX Microtypography website:

http://xetex.tk/mediawiki/index.php/Microtype_package_%28preliminary_version%29

There, you can download the latest version of the microtype package that 
enables margin kerning with XeTeX. To get things working correctly, you must 
use version 2.5 (or newer) of the package.  If the manual isn't dated 
11/5/2010, then you have the wrong one.

The microtype distributed with TeXLive 2010 *will not work.*  (And at the 
moment, xetex microtype is pretty limited.  It's only margin kerning.  Font 
expansion doesn't work.  Yet.)

After download, process the microtype.ins file with xelatex which will create 
the .sty files you need.

xelatex microtype.ins

Copy the entire directory to somewhere in your LaTeX path.  Run texhash.

Once you've installed the newest version of the package, you can enable 
microtype support by adding:

\usepackage{microtype}

to your preamble (see the attached sample doc).  While it is possible to tweak 
things, it shouldn't be necessary.  In fact, don't. microtype should detect 
which version of XeTeX you are using and enable the appropriate options.  The 
only time I ran into problems is when I tried to tweak the settings.

After that, put together a simple test document (or use mine).  To see if 
things are working correctly, you might want to turn on the showframes option 
of geometry.  (Test document also shows how to do this. PDF output also 
attached.)

Please keep in mind, you must have XeTeX 0.9997.4 or higher installed for 
margin kerning to work.  This version of XeTeX comes with TeX Live 2010.  I've 
been playing with it on my Mac, and it's been pretty stable.  As of yet, I have 
not looked at how hard it would be to get things up and running on Linux or 
Windows.

On another note, in my exuberance yesterday, I might have overstated the 
stability of LyX, the new version of XeLaTeX and microtype.  In my personal 
experience, it has been very, very stable.   But I should probably include the 
requisite disclaimer: your mileage may vary.

If you have any troubles or if something isn't clear, let me know.  I'm off 
work this week to try and get the book done and will be watching the list.

Cheers,

Rob

Attached:

1.) Sample LyX document, showing XeTeX microtype features.  Requires TeX Live 
2010, beta version of microtype package and beta1 of LyX to compile.
2.) Sample PDF output.


TestDoc-XeTeX.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


TestDoc-XeTeX.lyx
Description: Binary data

Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I'm involved in an argument on another list with one of these guys who says 
TeX is ancient technology not fit for modern books. Obviously he's full of 
beans unless he's doing coffee table books, but one place where this guy's 
gonna thrash me is fonts. Unless I'm mistaken, fonts other than the ones 
packaged with your LaTeX are incredibly difficult to do in LyX/LaTeX/TeX.

Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it ready to use 
in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Gour]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 04:09:50 -0400
 Steve == Steve Litt wrote:

Steve Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it
Steve ready to use in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

Probably only by using XeTeX and/or LuaTeX.

Otoh, once when you install fonts, that's it, while having bad
typesetting engine is something which spoils the party constantly. ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 

Gour  | Hlapicina, Croatia  | GPG key: CDBF17CA



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Description: PGP signature

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:
 Steve Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it
 Steve ready to use in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

 Probably only by using XeTeX and/or LuaTeX.

So you either read the wiki regarding XeTeX in 1.6.x, or dive into the
alphas or wait for 2.0. In my tests it was painless to change the
documents to XeTeX and use random system fonts.

Regards
Liviu


 Otoh, once when you install fonts, that's it, while having bad
 typesetting engine is something which spoils the party constantly. ;)


 Sincerely,
 Gour

 --

 Gour  | Hlapicina, Croatia  | GPG key: CDBF17CA
 




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http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
Do you know how to write?
http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Julien Rioux]

On 09/11/2010 10:30 AM, Rob Oakes wrote:

(Including a chapter that covers this topic in detail, amongst other
things. But it isn't quite finished. And I am not sure that it will be in time
for your debate. Otherwise, i would send that too. It's where the figures came
from.)


I find your book project very interesting as I am sure others on this 
list do. But I found two typos in the pdfs:


In Figure 1
They also _have_ a heavier stroke and are designed to ...

In Figure 2
laso - also

Cheers,
Julien

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

 gonna thrash me is fonts. Unless I'm mistaken, fonts other than the =
 ones=20
 packaged with your LaTeX are incredibly difficult to do in =
 LyX/LaTeX/TeX.

Well, there are some more TeX-ready fonts then the ones that come
packed with TeXLive or MikeTeX (also commercial ones). But for the
arbitrary system font, the better option is LuaTeX or XeTeX.


 I would specifically focus on XeTeX.  XeTeX in particular, as it uses =
 system fonts, supports OpenType, and is generally awesome.  The newest =
 version (released in TeX Live 2010) even has support for microtypography =
 and margin kerning. 

TeXLive 10 now also has a workable version of LuaTeX with even better
microtypography support. But in both cases this is still beta code.
Especially, mikrotype does not work (yet) out-of-the-box with arbitrary
fonts.

 Moreover, it's supported by LyX, which means advanced typography
 = for the masses.

There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
ready for the masses.

...

 For long texts, with footnotes, numbered figures, tables, and other =
 miscellanea, the production tool to use is LaTeX. 

Agreed.

Also, for most of these texts, there are more than enough quality free
fonts available also for pure LaTeX.

Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Rob Oakes]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

 There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
 ready for the masses.

On this point, I have to disagree.

Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using LyX 2 
for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for everything.  And 
quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I do with LyX 1.6.

The entire text for my book and innumerable articles and reports have come out 
of LyX 2, and while development versions some four or five months ago left much 
to be desired, the most recent codebase is very stable.  I quite literally 
cannot tell you the last time it crashed on me.  I so much prefer it that I 
will never go back to LyX 1.6.  (And the copy I use has my outline bits in it, 
which presumably destabilize it even more.)

I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but I think you underestimate the 
quality of your own work.  When LyX 2 is finally released, you deserve a party. 
LyX has gone from being a good program to being an exceptional one and I, for 
one, applaud you for that.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[ehud.kap...@gmail.com]

 When is the Lyx 2 release party?

On 11/9/2010 4:49 PM, Rob Oakes wrote:

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:


There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
ready for the masses.

On this point, I have to disagree.

Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using LyX 2 
for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for everything.  And 
quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I do with LyX 1.6.

The entire text for my book and innumerable articles and reports have come out 
of LyX 2, and while development versions some four or five months ago left much 
to be desired, the most recent codebase is very stable.  I quite literally 
cannot tell you the last time it crashed on me.  I so much prefer it that I 
will never go back to LyX 1.6.  (And the copy I use has my outline bits in it, 
which presumably destabilize it even more.)

I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but I think you underestimate the 
quality of your own work.  When LyX 2 is finally released, you deserve a party. 
LyX has gone from being a good program to being an exceptional one and I, for 
one, applaud you for that.

Cheers,

Rob


--
Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
Jules and Doris Stein /Research to Prevent Blindness /Professor
*Director*, Center of Excellence for /Computational  System neuroscience,/
The Friedman Brain Institute, MSSM
*Director*, The laboratory of /Visual  Computational Neuroscience/
Depts. of Neuroscience, Ophthalmology, Chemical  Structural Biology
The Mount Sinai School of Medicine
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New York, NY, 10029

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.dewrote:

 On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

  I would specifically focus on XeTeX.  XeTeX in particular, as it uses =
  system fonts, supports OpenType, and is generally awesome.  The newest =
  version (released in TeX Live 2010) even has support for microtypography
 =
  and margin kerning.

 TeXLive 10 now also has a workable version of LuaTeX with even better
 microtypography support. But in both cases this is still beta code.
 Especially, mikrotype does not work (yet) out-of-the-box with arbitrary
 fonts.


Rob,

do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin
kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the
XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

Also, am I correct in thinking that microtypography's font expansion (which
greatly improves paragraph layout, in my opinion) is still not working in
XeTeX?


Cheers,

Stefano

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Stefano,

 do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin 
 kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the 
 XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

Short answer, yes.  As far as I know, it hasn't yet been discussed much in the 
Interwebs, but there are several resources you can find on it.  The place to 
probably start is the XeTeX Microtypography website:

http://xetex.tk/mediawiki/index.php/Microtype_package_%28preliminary_version%29

There, you can download the latest version of the microtype package that 
enables margin kerning with XeTeX. To get things working correctly, you must 
use version 2.5 (or newer) of the package.  If the manual isn't dated 
11/5/2010, then you have the wrong one.

The microtype distributed with TeXLive 2010 *will not work.*  (And at the 
moment, xetex microtype is pretty limited.  It's only margin kerning.  Font 
expansion doesn't work.  Yet.)

After download, process the microtype.ins file with xelatex which will create 
the .sty files you need.

xelatex microtype.ins

Copy the entire directory to somewhere in your LaTeX path.  Run texhash.

Once you've installed the newest version of the package, you can enable 
microtype support by adding:

\usepackage{microtype}

to your preamble (see the attached sample doc).  While it is possible to tweak 
things, it shouldn't be necessary.  In fact, don't. microtype should detect 
which version of XeTeX you are using and enable the appropriate options.  The 
only time I ran into problems is when I tried to tweak the settings.

After that, put together a simple test document (or use mine).  To see if 
things are working correctly, you might want to turn on the showframes option 
of geometry.  (Test document also shows how to do this. PDF output also 
attached.)

Please keep in mind, you must have XeTeX 0.9997.4 or higher installed for 
margin kerning to work.  This version of XeTeX comes with TeX Live 2010.  I've 
been playing with it on my Mac, and it's been pretty stable.  As of yet, I have 
not looked at how hard it would be to get things up and running on Linux or 
Windows.

On another note, in my exuberance yesterday, I might have overstated the 
stability of LyX, the new version of XeLaTeX and microtype.  In my personal 
experience, it has been very, very stable.   But I should probably include the 
requisite disclaimer: your mileage may vary.

If you have any troubles or if something isn't clear, let me know.  I'm off 
work this week to try and get the book done and will be watching the list.

Cheers,

Rob

Attached:

1.) Sample LyX document, showing XeTeX microtype features.  Requires TeX Live 
2010, beta version of microtype package and beta1 of LyX to compile.
2.) Sample PDF output.


TestDoc-XeTeX.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


TestDoc-XeTeX.lyx
Description: Binary data

Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

I'm involved in an argument on another list with one of these guys who says 
TeX is ancient technology not fit for modern books. Obviously he's full of 
beans unless he's doing coffee table books, but one place where this guy's 
gonna thrash me is fonts. Unless I'm mistaken, fonts other than the ones 
packaged with your LaTeX are incredibly difficult to do in LyX/LaTeX/TeX.

Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it ready to use 
in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Gour]

On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 04:09:50 -0400
>> "Steve" == Steve Litt wrote:

Steve> Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it
Steve> ready to use in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?

Probably only by using XeTeX and/or LuaTeX.

Otoh, once when you install fonts, that's it, while having bad
typesetting engine is something which spoils the party constantly. ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Gour  wrote:
> Steve> Is there documentation on how to take a random font and make it
> Steve> ready to use in LyX, LaTeX or TeX?
>
> Probably only by using XeTeX and/or LuaTeX.
>
So you either read the wiki regarding XeTeX in 1.6.x, or dive into the
alphas or wait for 2.0. In my tests it was painless to change the
documents to XeTeX and use random system fonts.

Regards
Liviu


> Otoh, once when you install fonts, that's it, while having bad
> typesetting engine is something which spoils the party constantly. ;)
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
> --
>
> Gour  | Hlapicina, Croatia  | GPG key: CDBF17CA
> 
>



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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Julien Rioux]

On 09/11/2010 10:30 AM, Rob Oakes wrote:

(Including a chapter that covers this topic in detail, amongst other
things. But it isn't quite finished. And I am not sure that it will be in time
for your debate. Otherwise, i would send that too. It's where the figures came
from.)


I find your book project very interesting as I am sure others on this 
list do. But I found two typos in the pdfs:


In Figure 1
They also _have_ a heavier stroke and are designed to ...

In Figure 2
laso -> also

Cheers,
Julien

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:

>> gonna thrash me is fonts. Unless I'm mistaken, fonts other than the =
> ones=20
>> packaged with your LaTeX are incredibly difficult to do in =
> LyX/LaTeX/TeX.

Well, there are some more TeX-ready fonts then the ones that come
packed with TeXLive or MikeTeX (also commercial ones). But for the
"arbitrary system font", the better option is LuaTeX or XeTeX.


> I would specifically focus on XeTeX.  XeTeX in particular, as it uses =
> system fonts, supports OpenType, and is generally awesome.  The newest =
> version (released in TeX Live 2010) even has support for microtypography =
> and margin kerning. 

TeXLive 10 now also has a workable version of LuaTeX with even better
microtypography support. But in both cases this is still beta code.
Especially, mikrotype does not work (yet) out-of-the-box with "arbitrary"
fonts.

> Moreover, it's supported by LyX, which means advanced typography
> = for the masses.

There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
ready for the masses.

...

> For long texts, with footnotes, numbered figures, tables, and other =
> miscellanea, the production tool to use is LaTeX. 

Agreed.

Also, for most of these texts, there are more than enough quality free
fonts available also for "pure" LaTeX.

Günter

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Rob Oakes]

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

> There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
> ready for the masses.

On this point, I have to disagree.

Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using LyX 2 
for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for everything.  And 
quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I do with LyX 1.6.

The entire text for my book and innumerable articles and reports have come out 
of LyX 2, and while development versions some four or five months ago left much 
to be desired, the most recent codebase is very stable.  I quite literally 
cannot tell you the last time it crashed on me.  I so much prefer it that I 
will never go back to LyX 1.6.  (And the copy I use has my outline bits in it, 
which presumably destabilize it even more.)

I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but I think you underestimate the 
quality of your own work.  When LyX 2 is finally released, you deserve a party. 
LyX has gone from being a good program to being an exceptional one and I, for 
one, applaud you for that.

Cheers,

Rob

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[ehud.kap...@gmail.com]

 When is the Lyx 2 release party?

On 11/9/2010 4:49 PM, Rob Oakes wrote:

On Nov 9, 2010, at 1:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:


There is preliminary XeTeX support in the development version. Not
ready for the masses.

On this point, I have to disagree.

Preliminary as it might be, I've found it very stable.  I've been using LyX 2 
for nearly a year, and have transitioned to using XeTeX for everything.  And 
quite frankly, I have fewer problems with LyX 2 than I do with LyX 1.6.

The entire text for my book and innumerable articles and reports have come out 
of LyX 2, and while development versions some four or five months ago left much 
to be desired, the most recent codebase is very stable.  I quite literally 
cannot tell you the last time it crashed on me.  I so much prefer it that I 
will never go back to LyX 1.6.  (And the copy I use has my outline bits in it, 
which presumably destabilize it even more.)

I'm not trying to be disagreeable here, but I think you underestimate the 
quality of your own work.  When LyX 2 is finally released, you deserve a party. 
LyX has gone from being a good program to being an exceptional one and I, for 
one, applaud you for that.

Cheers,

Rob


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Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[stefano franchi]

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Guenter Milde wrote:

> On 2010-11-09, Rob Oakes wrote:
>
> > I would specifically focus on XeTeX.  XeTeX in particular, as it uses =
> > system fonts, supports OpenType, and is generally awesome.  The newest =
> > version (released in TeX Live 2010) even has support for microtypography
> =
> > and margin kerning.
>
> TeXLive 10 now also has a workable version of LuaTeX with even better
> microtypography support. But in both cases this is still beta code.
> Especially, mikrotype does not work (yet) out-of-the-box with "arbitrary"
> fonts.
>
>
Rob,

do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin
kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the
XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

Also, am I correct in thinking that microtypography's font expansion (which
greatly improves paragraph layout, in my opinion) is still not working in
XeTeX?


Cheers,

Stefano

>

Re: Fonts in LyX (and LaTeX and TeX)

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Stefano,

> do you have any advice or pointers to sites explaining how to use margin 
> kerning in XeTeX? The notes posted by J Kew on the mailing list and on the 
> XeTeX wiki are way too cryptic for me.

Short answer, yes.  As far as I know, it hasn't yet been discussed much in the 
Interwebs, but there are several resources you can find on it.  The place to 
probably start is the XeTeX Microtypography website:

http://xetex.tk/mediawiki/index.php/Microtype_package_%28preliminary_version%29

There, you can download the latest version of the microtype package that 
enables margin kerning with XeTeX. To get things working correctly, you must 
use version 2.5 (or newer) of the package.  If the manual isn't dated 
11/5/2010, then you have the wrong one.

The microtype distributed with TeXLive 2010 *will not work.*  (And at the 
moment, xetex microtype is pretty limited.  It's only margin kerning.  Font 
expansion doesn't work.  Yet.)

After download, process the microtype.ins file with xelatex which will create 
the .sty files you need.

xelatex microtype.ins

Copy the entire directory to somewhere in your LaTeX path.  Run texhash.

Once you've installed the newest version of the package, you can enable 
microtype support by adding:

\usepackage{microtype}

to your preamble (see the attached sample doc).  While it is possible to tweak 
things, it shouldn't be necessary.  In fact, don't. microtype should detect 
which version of XeTeX you are using and enable the appropriate options.  The 
only time I ran into problems is when I tried to tweak the settings.

After that, put together a simple test document (or use mine).  To see if 
things are working correctly, you might want to turn on the showframes option 
of geometry.  (Test document also shows how to do this. PDF output also 
attached.)

Please keep in mind, you must have XeTeX 0.9997.4 or higher installed for 
margin kerning to work.  This version of XeTeX comes with TeX Live 2010.  I've 
been playing with it on my Mac, and it's been pretty stable.  As of yet, I have 
not looked at how hard it would be to get things up and running on Linux or 
Windows.

On another note, in my exuberance yesterday, I might have overstated the 
stability of LyX, the new version of XeLaTeX and microtype.  In my personal 
experience, it has been very, very stable.   But I should probably include the 
requisite disclaimer: your mileage may vary.

If you have any troubles or if something isn't clear, let me know.  I'm off 
work this week to try and get the book done and will be watching the list.

Cheers,

Rob

Attached:

1.) Sample LyX document, showing XeTeX microtype features.  Requires TeX Live 
2010, beta version of microtype package and beta1 of LyX to compile.
2.) Sample PDF output.


TestDoc-XeTeX.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


TestDoc-XeTeX.lyx
Description: Binary data

How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX? These are truetype fonts 
metrically identical to Microsoft's main fonts:

Liberation Mono - Courier New
Liberation Sans - Arial
Liberation Serif - Times New Roman

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts)

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Steve, 

I think that you have one of two options.  The first, of course is to
install the fonts onto your system in the normal way and then use XeTeX
to compile the document.  If you choose this route, you can assign the
font through the use of the \setfont macros: \setmainfont{font name},
\setsansfont{font name}, \setmonofont{font name}

If using LyX 1.6.5, you will need to set up XeLaTeX to work with LyX.
There is information on how to do this on the wiki.  If using LyX SVN,
it already has support built-in.  Just go to Document Settings - Output
and enable Use XeTeX.

Additional information about XeLaTex and font support is available at:

http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-one-xelatex/

The alternative is to see if someone has created a font definition file.
You can also create your own.  Additional information about the process
is available from the excellent blog, Existential Type:

http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-two-pdftex-and-opentype/

I personally prefer to go the XeLaTeX route.  Since moving over to LyX
SVN, I use it to compile more or less everything.  While there are some
packages it doesn't support (like microtype), I find that it does a good
job with just about everything.  I've even been able to use some of the
more exotic modules (like Sweave) and classes (like Tufte) without
problems.  For an example output, see:

http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX/Sweave-Opportunity.pdf

(Aside: In the example above, using xetex allowed me to use the same
typefaces that Tufte uses -- Bembo and Gil Sans -- without creating a
font definition file for them -- which ranks right alongside major oral
surgery on my priority list.)

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX? These are truetype fonts 
metrically identical to Microsoft's main fonts:

Liberation Mono - Courier New
Liberation Sans - Arial
Liberation Serif - Times New Roman

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts)

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Steve, 

I think that you have one of two options.  The first, of course is to
install the fonts onto your system in the normal way and then use XeTeX
to compile the document.  If you choose this route, you can assign the
font through the use of the \setfont macros: \setmainfont{font name},
\setsansfont{font name}, \setmonofont{font name}

If using LyX 1.6.5, you will need to set up XeLaTeX to work with LyX.
There is information on how to do this on the wiki.  If using LyX SVN,
it already has support built-in.  Just go to Document Settings - Output
and enable Use XeTeX.

Additional information about XeLaTex and font support is available at:

http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-one-xelatex/

The alternative is to see if someone has created a font definition file.
You can also create your own.  Additional information about the process
is available from the excellent blog, Existential Type:

http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-two-pdftex-and-opentype/

I personally prefer to go the XeLaTeX route.  Since moving over to LyX
SVN, I use it to compile more or less everything.  While there are some
packages it doesn't support (like microtype), I find that it does a good
job with just about everything.  I've even been able to use some of the
more exotic modules (like Sweave) and classes (like Tufte) without
problems.  For an example output, see:

http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX/Sweave-Opportunity.pdf

(Aside: In the example above, using xetex allowed me to use the same
typefaces that Tufte uses -- Bembo and Gil Sans -- without creating a
font definition file for them -- which ranks right alongside major oral
surgery on my priority list.)

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX? These are truetype fonts 
metrically identical to Microsoft's main fonts:

Liberation Mono -> Courier New
Liberation Sans -> Arial
Liberation Serif -> Times New Roman

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts)

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: How does one use the Liberation fonts in LyX?

[Rob Oakes]

Hi Steve, 

I think that you have one of two options.  The first, of course is to
install the fonts onto your system in the normal way and then use XeTeX
to compile the document.  If you choose this route, you can assign the
font through the use of the \setfont macros: \setmainfont{font name},
\setsansfont{font name}, \setmonofont{font name}

If using LyX 1.6.5, you will need to set up XeLaTeX to work with LyX.
There is information on how to do this on the wiki.  If using LyX SVN,
it already has support built-in.  Just go to Document Settings -> Output
and enable "Use XeTeX".

Additional information about XeLaTex and font support is available at:

http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-one-xelatex/

The alternative is to see if someone has created a font definition file.
You can also create your own.  Additional information about the process
is available from the excellent blog, Existential Type:

http://existentialtype.net/2008/07/12/fonts-in-latex-part-two-pdftex-and-opentype/

I personally prefer to go the XeLaTeX route.  Since moving over to LyX
SVN, I use it to compile more or less everything.  While there are some
packages it doesn't support (like microtype), I find that it does a good
job with just about everything.  I've even been able to use some of the
more exotic modules (like Sweave) and classes (like Tufte) without
problems.  For an example output, see:

http://www.oak-tree.us/stuff/LyX/Sweave-Opportunity.pdf

(Aside: In the example above, using xetex allowed me to use the same
typefaces that Tufte uses -- Bembo and Gil Sans -- without creating a
font definition file for them -- which ranks right alongside major oral
surgery on my priority list.)

Cheers,

Rob Oakes

Re: Greek Fonts in LyX - Günter Milde

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-12-01, Brian Bosse wrote:

 Here is one example.  When I paste an copy the Greek Unicode text from =
 the =E2=80=9CAncient Greek=E2=80=9D entry on Wikipedia, the grave =
 accents and the circumflex simply show up as a box in LyX 

The accents or characters with accents?

You need a screen-font that supports the Greek extended characters.
Both, Plato and Homer work fine here with LyX 1.6.4 and the DejaVu
fonts.

 and then when = I go to export it to PDF or use the DVI I get the
 following error = message=E2=80=A6

 Could not find LaTeX command for character '=E1=BD=B0' (code point =
 0x1f70)

I had to realize that the Greek-extended patch is not yet in 1.6.4.
So either you 

* wait for 1.6.5

* copy the file unicodesymbols from the system LYXDIR to your personal
  lyx-dir (~/.lyx in Unix) and apply the patch
  
http://www.lyx.org/trac/attachment/ticket/4997/unicodesymbols-greek-extended-charxxx.patch

* set the language to polytonic greek and the encoding to utf8x
  (see http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg72834.html)

 Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the =
 chosen encoding.

 Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.

This is a misleading hint. Changing to utf8 will almost never help in
this case, as fontencs' utf8 supports only a small subset of UTF-8
characters (far less than LyX itself).

Instead, utf8x should be used:

  DocumentSettings  
   Language   Encoding 
  [x] Other: Unicode (ucs-enhanced) (utf8x)
  
Günter

Re: Greek Fonts in LyX - Günter Milde

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-12-01, Brian Bosse wrote:

 Here is one example.  When I paste an copy the Greek Unicode text from =
 the =E2=80=9CAncient Greek=E2=80=9D entry on Wikipedia, the grave =
 accents and the circumflex simply show up as a box in LyX 

The accents or characters with accents?

You need a screen-font that supports the Greek extended characters.
Both, Plato and Homer work fine here with LyX 1.6.4 and the DejaVu
fonts.

 and then when = I go to export it to PDF or use the DVI I get the
 following error = message=E2=80=A6

 Could not find LaTeX command for character '=E1=BD=B0' (code point =
 0x1f70)

I had to realize that the Greek-extended patch is not yet in 1.6.4.
So either you 

* wait for 1.6.5

* copy the file unicodesymbols from the system LYXDIR to your personal
  lyx-dir (~/.lyx in Unix) and apply the patch
  
http://www.lyx.org/trac/attachment/ticket/4997/unicodesymbols-greek-extended-charxxx.patch

* set the language to polytonic greek and the encoding to utf8x
  (see http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg72834.html)

 Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the =
 chosen encoding.

 Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.

This is a misleading hint. Changing to utf8 will almost never help in
this case, as fontencs' utf8 supports only a small subset of UTF-8
characters (far less than LyX itself).

Instead, utf8x should be used:

  DocumentSettings  
   Language   Encoding 
  [x] Other: Unicode (ucs-enhanced) (utf8x)
  
Günter

Re: Greek Fonts in LyX - Günter Milde

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-12-01, Brian Bosse wrote:

> Here is one example.  When I paste an copy the Greek Unicode text from =
> the =E2=80=9CAncient Greek=E2=80=9D entry on Wikipedia, the grave =
> accents and the circumflex simply show up as a box in LyX 

The accents or characters with accents?

You need a screen-font that supports the Greek extended characters.
Both, Plato and Homer work fine here with LyX 1.6.4 and the DejaVu
fonts.

> and then when = I go to export it to PDF or use the DVI I get the
> following error = message=E2=80=A6

> Could not find LaTeX command for character '=E1=BD=B0' (code point =
> 0x1f70)

I had to realize that the Greek-extended patch is not yet in 1.6.4.
So either you 

* wait for 1.6.5

* copy the file unicodesymbols from the system LYXDIR to your personal
  lyx-dir (~/.lyx in Unix) and apply the patch
  
http://www.lyx.org/trac/attachment/ticket/4997/unicodesymbols-greek-extended-charxxx.patch

* set the language to polytonic greek and the encoding to utf8x
  (see http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg72834.html)

> Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the =
> chosen encoding.

> Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.

This is a misleading hint. Changing to utf8 will almost never help in
this case, as fontencs' utf8 supports only a small subset of UTF-8
characters (far less than LyX itself).

Instead, utf8x should be used:

  Document>Settings  
   Language   Encoding 
  [x] Other: Unicode (ucs-enhanced) (utf8x)
  
Günter