Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
On 2009-03-27, Tao Cumplido wrote: > When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: 'Some > characters of your document are probably not representable in the > chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.' Actually, LyX's Unicode symbols translation is more comprehensive than LaTeX's "plain" utf8, I don't know if there is any case left where changing to utf8 would help. There are cases (e.g. polytonic Greek) when changing to utf8x [UTF8 (ucs enhanced)] helps, though. However, the capital sharp s is a recent addition to Unicode and not supported by utf8 or utf8x. You can use it with the libertine font, though (as pointed out by others). > I searched the User's Guide and found in chapter 'B.7. Language' this > part: 'All characters that cannot be encoded using the specified > encoding will be exported as LATEX-commands (this can fail if a > LATEX-command is not known for a particular character).' > This passage has the following footnote attached: 'The known commands > are defined in a text file. You can add commands for unknown symbols to > that file yourself, see the Customization manual for details.' > But I couldn't find anything on this topic in the Customization manual. The file in question is called "unicodesymbols" and lives in the LYXDIR. You can copy /usr/share/lyx/unicodesymbols to ~/.lyx/unicodesymbols and modify it (on Windows the paths will differ). With XeTeX, it only depends on the chosen font if the character is available or not. Günter
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Dominik Waßenhoven wrote: >> The Linux Libertine font has a capital sharp s. See >> http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/ > > I see. And is there a corresponding LaTeX macro? libertine.sty comes with several options, including 'ss' for not using the capital sharp s. Besides that, there is a macro (\useTextGlyph) to use every character that's in the font. Regards, Dominik.-
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:59:34AM +0100, Tao Cumplido wrote: > > The Linux Libertine font has a capital sharp s. > > That's the font I'm using. > > > I don't know for what purpose you need a capital ß, but in german > > ortography, the ß becomes SS when writing capitalized. > > I don't know yet whether I am gonna need it or not, but I'd like to > know if it's possible before I start getting into Lyx seriously. It is possible as Juergen wrote, but I question the approach you use to check whether some piece of software suits your purposes. Capital ß is as much part of Real Life as is World Peace. > Why does with Latex everything have to be so complicated? :/ Partially because TeX is a horrible language, and partially because it tends to lead to pagmatic solution (as opposed to "Ivory Tower style" solutions) ;-} Andre'
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Tao Cumplido wrote:
> I don't know yet whether I am gonna need it or not, but I'd like to know if
> it's possible before I start getting into Lyx seriously.
With LaTeX, the following works:
\usepackage{libertine}
GRO\MakeUppercase{ß}E SACHE
\textsc{Große Sache}
In other words, the LaTeX package automatically uses the capital <ß> unless
you load the package with the option "ss".
Jürgen
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
> The Linux Libertine font has a capital sharp s. That's the font I'm using. > I don't know for what purpose you need a capital ß, but in german ortography, > the ß becomes SS when writing capitalized. I don't know yet whether I am gonna need it or not, but I'd like to know if it's possible before I start getting into Lyx seriously. Why does with Latex everything have to be so complicated? :/ Would it work if I got Xetex working with Lyx and use the xelibertine package? I found this article but I don't know if it will work for me since I am on WinXP. http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/XeTeX And if I got it to work would it still be possible to use the Lilypond converters? These are actually the main reason why I started using Lyx, because it's so easy to implement music snippets into a text document. Regards, Tao -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss für nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Dominik Waßenhoven wrote: > The Linux Libertine font has a capital sharp s. See > http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/ I see. And is there a corresponding LaTeX macro? Jürgen
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Dominik Waßenhoven schrieb: | Allerdings darf mündigen Bürgerinnen und Bürgern im Einzelfall | getrost die Entscheidung überlassen werden, ob sie das große Eszett | etwa für die Schreibung ihres Namens nutzen oder nicht. (in short: it's not official, but people can decide whether to use it for their names or not) Regards, Dominik.- Honestly I hadn't thought of the name-problem, good point... Regards, Florian
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Florian Rubach wrote: > Tao Cumplido schrieb: >> When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: > > I don't know for what purpose you need a capital ß, but in german > ortography, the ß becomes SS when writing capitalized. (See > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F#Gro.C3.9Fschreibweise_mit_Ersetzung_von_.C3.9F_durch_SS > > ) That's right, but browse a little further down (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ß#Gro.C3.9Fschreibweise_mit_Versal-Eszett). And the DUDEN stated in a Newsletter (http://www.duden.de/deutsche_sprache/sprachberatung/newsletter/archiv.php?id=204#gewusst): | eine wichtige Neuerung, besonders für Buch- und Zeitungsverlage, aber | eine, die nicht Bestandteil der amtlichen Rechtschreibung ist. | Allerdings darf mündigen Bürgerinnen und Bürgern im Einzelfall | getrost die Entscheidung überlassen werden, ob sie das große Eszett | etwa für die Schreibung ihres Namens nutzen oder nicht. (in short: it's not official, but people can decide whether to use it for their names or not) Regards, Dominik.-
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 05:15:14PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: >> Tao Cumplido wrote: >>> When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: >>> 'Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the >>> chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.' >>> >>> So, I changed the encoding to utf8 and get the following: >>> 'Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8ẞ not setup for use with LaTeX.' >> >> I don't think that there is any LaTeX package that supports this character >> (neither a font that includes it). After all, this was only recently added >> to >> the unicode standard. > > I am a bit surprised that it is standardized at all. So far I have > considered any use of "sharp s" in a capitalized word as error... Well, in some circumstances, it would be quite useful to have a capital sharp s, e.g. when printing my last name in small caps. But it is debatable whether a capital sharp s is correct German. At the moment, it is only standardised in a technical sense. But if it will be common practice in the next years, it will maybe also make its way into the DUDEN, who knows... Regards, Dominik.-
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 05:15:14PM +0100, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Tao Cumplido wrote: > > When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: > > 'Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the > > chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.' > > > > So, I changed the encoding to utf8 and get the following: > > 'Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8ẞ not setup for use with LaTeX.' > > I don't think that there is any LaTeX package that supports this character > (neither a font that includes it). After all, this was only recently added to > the unicode standard. I am a bit surprised that it is standardized at all. So far I have considered any use of "sharp s" in a capitalized word as error... Andre'
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Tao Cumplido schrieb: When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: I don't know for what purpose you need a capital ß, but in german ortography, the ß becomes SS when writing capitalized. (See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F#Gro.C3.9Fschreibweise_mit_Ersetzung_von_.C3.9F_durch_SS ) Regards, Florian
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > Tao Cumplido wrote: >> When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: >> 'Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the >> chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.' >> >> So, I changed the encoding to utf8 and get the following: >> 'Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8ẞ not setup for use with LaTeX.' > > I don't think that there is any LaTeX package that supports this character > (neither a font that includes it). After all, this was only recently added to > the unicode standard. The Linux Libertine font has a capital sharp s. See http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/ Regards, Dominik.-
Re: How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
Tao Cumplido wrote: > When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error: > 'Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the > chosen encoding. Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.' > > So, I changed the encoding to utf8 and get the following: > 'Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8ẞ not setup for use with LaTeX.' I don't think that there is any LaTeX package that supports this character (neither a font that includes it). After all, this was only recently added to the unicode standard. Jürgen
How to use German capital sharp s (U+1E9E)?
When I try to print the German capital sharp s I get this error:
'Some characters of your document are probably not representable in the chosen
encoding.
Changing the document encoding to utf8 could help.'
So, I changed the encoding to utf8 and get the following:
'Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8ẞ not setup for use with LaTeX.'
I searched the User's Guide and found in chapter 'B.7. Language' this part:
'All characters that cannot be encoded using the specified encoding will be
exported
as LATEX-commands (this can fail if a LATEX-command is not known for a
particular
character).'
This passage has the following footnote attached:
'The known commands are defined in a text file. You can add commands for
unknown symbols to
that file yourself, see the Customization manual for details.'
But I couldn't find anything on this topic in the Customization manual.
After some more searching I found the uni-*.def files in the Miktex directory.
I tried to add a new command for the German capital sharp s like this
'\...@dclc{7838}{default}{\vs ß}%'
but it still won't work and since I didn't find any documentation I have no
idea if I did something wrong.
Regards,
Tao
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