Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

Hi

I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
graph in the outline?
Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?

This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
display the page.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Rainer

-- 
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UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

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Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Manveru]

2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com:
 Hi

 I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
 detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
 pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
 outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
 okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
 graph in the outline?
 Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
 the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?

 This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
 display the page.

 Any comments?

It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
between both, which would be hard to achieve.

Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
background.


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Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Manveru manv...@manveru.pl wrote:

 2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com:
  Hi
 
  I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline
 window
  detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
  pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
  outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
  okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
  graph in the outline?
  Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which
 specify
  the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?
 
  This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have
 to
  display the page.
 
  Any comments?

 It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
 how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
 displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
 text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
 worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
 back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
 that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
 between both, which would be hard to achieve.


Well - there is backward search (Navigation - forward search), with which
it should be possible to jump to the location in the preview at which I am
in LyX (this commands need to specified for different viewers). So, if
after every navigation via the outline window a forward-search would be
done, LyX and the preview would be in sync (for certain viewers).

So I do not think this should be to difficult to implement (from the
perspective of a non-lyx-developer...)

I am not talking about from preview to LyX, because this would have to be
implemented in the viewer (which it is via backward search and synctex).

I am imaging a navigation from outline view to LyX and preview.


 Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
 two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
 background.


This would definitely be possible, but would have to be linked to e.g.
autosave, to not use to many resources.

Cheers,

Rainer



 --
 Manveru
 jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
  gg: 1624001
http://www.manveru.pl




-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F):   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

Hi

I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
graph in the outline?
Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?

This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
display the page.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Rainer

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F):   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Manveru]

2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com:
 Hi

 I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
 detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
 pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
 outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
 okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
 graph in the outline?
 Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
 the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?

 This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
 display the page.

 Any comments?

It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
between both, which would be hard to achieve.

Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
background.


-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Manveru manv...@manveru.pl wrote:

 2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug r.m.k...@gmail.com:
  Hi
 
  I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline
 window
  detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
  pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
  outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
  okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
  graph in the outline?
  Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which
 specify
  the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?
 
  This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have
 to
  display the page.
 
  Any comments?

 It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
 how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
 displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
 text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
 worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
 back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
 that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
 between both, which would be hard to achieve.


Well - there is backward search (Navigation - forward search), with which
it should be possible to jump to the location in the preview at which I am
in LyX (this commands need to specified for different viewers). So, if
after every navigation via the outline window a forward-search would be
done, LyX and the preview would be in sync (for certain viewers).

So I do not think this should be to difficult to implement (from the
perspective of a non-lyx-developer...)

I am not talking about from preview to LyX, because this would have to be
implemented in the viewer (which it is via backward search and synctex).

I am imaging a navigation from outline view to LyX and preview.


 Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
 two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
 background.


This would definitely be possible, but would have to be linked to e.g.
autosave, to not use to many resources.

Cheers,

Rainer



 --
 Manveru
 jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
  gg: 1624001
http://www.manveru.pl




-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F):   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

Hi

I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
graph in the outline?
Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?

This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
display the page.

Any comments?

Cheers,

Rainer

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F):   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug

Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Manveru]

2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug :
> Hi
>
> I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline window
> detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
> pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
> outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
> okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
> graph in the outline?
> Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which specify
> the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?
>
> This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have to
> display the page.
>
> Any comments?

It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
between both, which would be hard to achieve.

Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
background.


-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Just an idea - synced navigation in LyX and preview?

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Manveru  wrote:

> 2011/11/23 Rainer M Krug :
> > Hi
> >
> > I have quite often the preview as well as lyx open, and the outline
> window
> > detached. And I thought: wouldn't it be nice, if the preview (in my case
> > pdf, okular) would navigate synchronous with the navigation based on the
> > outline window? i.e. a forward lookup (which I did not get to work with
> > okular... but that is a different story) whenever I click on a section or
> > graph in the outline?
> > Probably even better, to have a toggle button in the outline, which
> specify
> > the navigation target (LyX, preview or both)?
> >
> > This would save precious desktop space, as the viewer would simply have
> to
> > display the page.
> >
> > Any comments?
>
> It is always worth to dream, however I do not see technical solution
> how to tie what is displayed in PDF reader application with what is
> displayed in LyX application. LyX does not have idea on which page the
> text where you cursor is currently present will be present. What is
> worse, I cannot imagine that any PDF viewing application can report
> back what part of the document is actually displayed. I am not saying
> that this is technically impossible, but requires some standardization
> between both, which would be hard to achieve.
>

Well - there is backward search (Navigation - forward search), with which
it should be possible to jump to the location in the preview at which I am
in LyX (this commands need to specified for different viewers). So, if
after every navigation via the outline window a "forward-search" would be
done, LyX and the preview would be in sync (for certain viewers).

So I do not think this should be to difficult to implement (from the
perspective of a non-lyx-developer...)

I am not talking about from preview to LyX, because this would have to be
implemented in the viewer (which it is via backward search and synctex).

I am imaging a navigation from outline view to LyX and preview.


> Howver, If any one can do all that, I am signing below that idea with
> two hands! I can imagine even automatic update of the PDF in the
> background.
>

This would definitely be possible, but would have to be linked to e.g.
autosave, to not use to many resources.

Cheers,

Rainer

>
>
> --
> Manveru
> jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
>  gg: 1624001
>http://www.manveru.pl
>



-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology,
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax (F):   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

Skype:  RMkrug