Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-25 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
 On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:

 You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
 not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
 select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.

 I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
 what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
 not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

  templates/ # standard document classes
  templates/letter.lyx 
  templates/slides.lyx
  ... 
  templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
  templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
  ...
  templates/other/   # exotic document classes
  
or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

Günter



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-25 Thread rgheck

On 03/25/2010 05:53 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
   

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 

Guenter Milde wrote:
   
   

You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.
 
   

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.
 

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

   templates/ # standard document classes
   templates/letter.lyx
   templates/slides.lyx
   ...
   templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
   templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
   ...
   templates/other/   # exotic document classes

or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

   
Exotic is in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid, and what's standard 
varies from TeX distribution to TeX distribution. There's really no 
telling what someone might have installed. The issue here, or so it 
seems to me, is just a simple confusion about what LyX provides, how it 
relates to LaTeX, and what LaTeX provides. The fact that the dialog that 
pops up when you don't have the document class is so confusing doesn't 
help. But this, I believe, is now resolved in trunk.


Richard



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-25 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
 On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:

 You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
 not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
 select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.

 I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
 what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
 not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

  templates/ # standard document classes
  templates/letter.lyx 
  templates/slides.lyx
  ... 
  templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
  templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
  ...
  templates/other/   # exotic document classes
  
or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

Günter



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-25 Thread rgheck

On 03/25/2010 05:53 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
   

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 

Guenter Milde wrote:
   
   

You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.
 
   

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.
 

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

   templates/ # standard document classes
   templates/letter.lyx
   templates/slides.lyx
   ...
   templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
   templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
   ...
   templates/other/   # exotic document classes

or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

   
Exotic is in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid, and what's standard 
varies from TeX distribution to TeX distribution. There's really no 
telling what someone might have installed. The issue here, or so it 
seems to me, is just a simple confusion about what LyX provides, how it 
relates to LaTeX, and what LaTeX provides. The fact that the dialog that 
pops up when you don't have the document class is so confusing doesn't 
help. But this, I believe, is now resolved in trunk.


Richard



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-25 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
> On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
>> Guenter Milde wrote:

>>> You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
>>> not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
>>> select a non-supported document class under Document>Settings.

> I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
> what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
> not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

  templates/ # standard document classes
  templates/letter.lyx 
  templates/slides.lyx
  ... 
  templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
  templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
  ...
  templates/other/   # "exotic" document classes
  
or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

Günter



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-25 Thread rgheck

On 03/25/2010 05:53 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-24, rgheck wrote:
   

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
 

Guenter Milde wrote:
   
   

You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under Document>Settings.
 
   

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.
 

Then, we could consider grouping templates in sub-directories like e.g.

   templates/ # standard document classes
   templates/letter.lyx
   templates/slides.lyx
   ...
   templates/texlive  # document classes in texlive
   templates/texlive/dinbrief.lyx
   ...
   templates/other/   # "exotic" document classes

or in every template clearly state in a LyX-Note the required LaTeX
documentclass (and its home URL).

   
Exotic is in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid, and what's standard 
varies from TeX distribution to TeX distribution. There's really no 
telling what someone might have installed. The issue here, or so it 
seems to me, is just a simple confusion about what LyX provides, how it 
relates to LaTeX, and what LaTeX provides. The fact that the dialog that 
pops up when you don't have the document class is so confusing doesn't 
help. But this, I believe, is now resolved in trunk.


Richard



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Wescott

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

  
I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)



Really *any*?? 


Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

  

and I get the following:



  

The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
information. LyX will not be able to produce output.



This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

  

I tried reconfigure -- no luck.



  

I tried running texhash -- no luck.



  
I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.



You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a download from CTAN and
install 'by hand' documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter


  

Got it figured out -- thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Wescott

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:
  

Guenter Milde wrote:


On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:
  


  

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).
  


...

  

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
create from template away from oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!  Something more like Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!



You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.


If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).

Günter

  
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software until 
I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an absolute 
newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from a real 
issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread rgheck

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:
You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics 
(which are

auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
create from template away from oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!  Something more like Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!


You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.




If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software 
until I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an 
absolute newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from 
a real issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


What do you mean here by do this? Do you mean, install the full 
texlive suite? If so, then, first, LyX has no control over this. It's a 
packaging question and, on Linux, that means that each distribution gets 
to decide for itself what LyX's dependencies are. Similarly, the Windows 
and Mac packagers decide about this on their platforms. Second, it's 
arguable that LaTeX shouldn't be a dependency of LyX at all. Helge 
Hafting, who often posts here, frequently points out that LyX can be 
used as an editor without LaTeX. You might want to install it that way, 
for example, on a netbook that had minimal disk space so you could work 
on LyX files on your netbook. You wouldn't be able to view them as pdf 
or whatever, but you don't always need to do that. Third, even if we do 
want LaTeX to be a dependency, you really don't want to install 
absolutely every package that texlive makes available. That is a huge 
number of packages. And, finally, I don't know what texlive includes 
these days, but until not very long ago, some of the templates LyX ships 
were for use with document classes that weren't available at all through 
texlive. You have to go get them yourself if you want to use them. 
That's in the nature of an extensible system like LaTeX.


rh



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Wescott

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

  
I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)



Really *any*?? 


Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

  

and I get the following:



  

The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
information. LyX will not be able to produce output.



This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

  

I tried reconfigure -- no luck.



  

I tried running texhash -- no luck.



  
I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.



You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a download from CTAN and
install 'by hand' documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter


  

Got it figured out -- thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Wescott

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:
  

Guenter Milde wrote:


On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:
  


  

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).
  


...

  

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
create from template away from oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!  Something more like Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!



You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.


If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).

Günter

  
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software until 
I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an absolute 
newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from a real 
issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread rgheck

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:
You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics 
(which are

auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
create from template away from oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!  Something more like Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!


You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under DocumentSettings.

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.




If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software 
until I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an 
absolute newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from 
a real issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


What do you mean here by do this? Do you mean, install the full 
texlive suite? If so, then, first, LyX has no control over this. It's a 
packaging question and, on Linux, that means that each distribution gets 
to decide for itself what LyX's dependencies are. Similarly, the Windows 
and Mac packagers decide about this on their platforms. Second, it's 
arguable that LaTeX shouldn't be a dependency of LyX at all. Helge 
Hafting, who often posts here, frequently points out that LyX can be 
used as an editor without LaTeX. You might want to install it that way, 
for example, on a netbook that had minimal disk space so you could work 
on LyX files on your netbook. You wouldn't be able to view them as pdf 
or whatever, but you don't always need to do that. Third, even if we do 
want LaTeX to be a dependency, you really don't want to install 
absolutely every package that texlive makes available. That is a huge 
number of packages. And, finally, I don't know what texlive includes 
these days, but until not very long ago, some of the templates LyX ships 
were for use with document classes that weren't available at all through 
texlive. You have to go get them yourself if you want to use them. 
That's in the nature of an extensible system like LaTeX.


rh



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Wescott

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

  
I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)



Really *any*?? 


Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

  

and I get the following:



  

The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
information. LyX will not be able to produce output.



This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

  

I tried reconfigure -- no luck.



  

I tried running texhash -- no luck.



  
I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.



You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a "download from CTAN and
install 'by hand'" documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter


  

Got it figured out -- thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread Tim Wescott

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:
  

Guenter Milde wrote:


On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:
  


  

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).
  


...

  

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
"create from template" away from "oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!"  Something more like "Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!"



You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under Document>Settings.


If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).

Günter

  
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software until 
I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an absolute 
newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from a real 
issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-24 Thread rgheck

On 03/24/2010 12:17 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 22.03.10, Tim Wescott wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:
You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics 
(which are

auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

I think I have a handle on this, but it sure changes the meaning of
"create from template" away from "oh look at all these handy,
helpful templates!"  Something more like "Oh look at this ready-made
minefield!"


You might file an enhancement/bug report to ask for disabling
not-supported templates (or a warning) similar to what is done if you
select a non-supported document class under Document>Settings.

I don't think this is very easy to do. Templates are just files, and 
what shows them is just a file browser. We can't ask the file browser 
not to show files that don't have associated LaTeX classes.




If you have enough disk-space and a fast internet connection, you can
also consider installing the full texlive suite (I don't remember the
name of the meta package just now).
I generally don't start filing enhancement/bug reports on software 
until I've had at least a little bit of mileage with it.  As an 
absolute newbie it's an even bet between whether my problems stem from 
a real issue with the software or from my own ignorance.


I think this may be an exception, though -- it certainly would be 
helpful for everyone, and far less confusing for newbies, to do this.  
And you _do_ want newbies to have a positive experience, lest they run 
screaming back to their nice, comfortable WSIWYG editor, and fail to 
lend their support to your community.


What do you mean here by "do this"? Do you mean, "install the full 
texlive suite"? If so, then, first, LyX has no control over this. It's a 
packaging question and, on Linux, that means that each distribution gets 
to decide for itself what LyX's dependencies are. Similarly, the Windows 
and Mac packagers decide about this on their platforms. Second, it's 
arguable that LaTeX shouldn't be a dependency of LyX at all. Helge 
Hafting, who often posts here, frequently points out that LyX can be 
used as an editor without LaTeX. You might want to install it that way, 
for example, on a netbook that had minimal disk space so you could work 
on LyX files on your netbook. You wouldn't be able to view them as pdf 
or whatever, but you don't always need to do that. Third, even if we do 
want LaTeX to be a dependency, you really don't want to install 
absolutely every package that texlive makes available. That is a huge 
number of packages. And, finally, I don't know what texlive includes 
these days, but until not very long ago, some of the templates LyX ships 
were for use with document classes that weren't available at all through 
texlive. You have to go get them yourself if you want to use them. 
That's in the nature of an extensible system like LaTeX.


rh



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-22 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

 I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
 user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
 brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
 template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)

Really *any*?? 

Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

 and I get the following:

 The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
 usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
 by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
 information. LyX will not be able to produce output.

This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

 I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

 I tried running texhash -- no luck.

 I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
 latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a download from CTAN and
install 'by hand' documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-22 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

 I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
 user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
 brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
 template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)

Really *any*?? 

Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

 and I get the following:

 The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
 usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
 by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
 information. LyX will not be able to produce output.

This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

 I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

 I tried running texhash -- no luck.

 I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
 latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a download from CTAN and
install 'by hand' documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter



Re: Layout file not usable

2010-03-22 Thread Guenter Milde
On 2010-03-22, Tim Wescott wrote:

> I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
> user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
> brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
> template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example)

Really *any*?? 

Just to sort out principal failure: Could you test with a new standard
document (Ctrl-N), type a simple sentence and view the PDF?

> and I get the following:

> The layout file requested by this document, latex8.layout, is not
> usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required
> by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more
> information. LyX will not be able to produce output.

This indicates that a latex document-class is missing. 

> I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

> I tried running texhash -- no luck.

> I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
> latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.

You will need to install more of texlive than just the basics (which are
auto-installed as a LyX dependency).

In your example, you should look for latex8.cls or latex8.sty. If it is
not on your system, try e.g. `apt-file find latex8.cls`` to see which
package you need to install. (Actually, I did not find a package that
ships latex8 for Debian, so this might even be a "download from CTAN and
install 'by hand'" documentclass, however, you might e.g. find the
seminar class in texlive-latex-recommended.)

Günter



Layout file not usable

2010-03-21 Thread Tim Wescott
Searching the archives I see lots of problems associated with this, but 
nothing that seems to point to an answer for me.


I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example) and I get the 
following:


The layout file requested by this document,
latex8.layout,
is not usable. This is probably because a LaTeX
class or style file required by it is not
available. See the Customization documentation
for more information.
LyX will not be able to produce output.

I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

I tried running texhash -- no luck.

I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.


Clues for the clueless?

Thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Layout file not usable

2010-03-21 Thread Tim Wescott
Searching the archives I see lots of problems associated with this, but 
nothing that seems to point to an answer for me.


I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example) and I get the 
following:


The layout file requested by this document,
latex8.layout,
is not usable. This is probably because a LaTeX
class or style file required by it is not
available. See the Customization documentation
for more information.
LyX will not be able to produce output.

I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

I tried running texhash -- no luck.

I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.


Clues for the clueless?

Thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com




Layout file not usable

2010-03-21 Thread Tim Wescott
Searching the archives I see lots of problems associated with this, but 
nothing that seems to point to an answer for me.


I'm working hard at being a brand-new user, but I'm still a 
user-wannabe, because things ain't working!  I'm using Ubuntu 9.10, 
brand shiny new installation of Lyx.  I try to create a document from a 
template (any template, but I'll use latex8 as an example) and I get the 
following:


The layout file requested by this document,
latex8.layout,
is not usable. This is probably because a LaTeX
class or style file required by it is not
available. See the Customization documentation
for more information.
LyX will not be able to produce output.

I tried reconfigure -- no luck.

I tried running texhash -- no luck.

I verified that /usr/share/lyx/layouts is there, and that it has 
latex8.layout (and all the others that didn't work) in it.


Clues for the clueless?

Thanks.

--
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
Voice: 503-631-7815
Cell:  503-349-8432
http://www.wescottdesign.com