Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[stephen's mailinglist account]

On 26 February 2010 14:09,  obregonma...@gmail.com wrote:
 I also miss having a good outlining mode in LyX. At the moment I use Freemind 
 mindmaps that I then pull into LyX via   LaTeX.

I played around today with various options tried vym (view your mind)
which has some latex export - does not seem to export a complete
document, rather only the guts of it (between \begin{document} and
\end{document}), but allows for some text to come through and not just
an outline.  Didn't try to add any images. I'm sure it ought to be
possible to add to export filters. (I think this is a qt app). After a
little work I imported to LyX.

Tried kdissert (I believe this has now been superceeded by something
which I cannot remember the name of, and which depends on kde4).  More
sofisticated (sp?) output to article, book, beamer, prosper. Bit of
work and it imported ok into LyX (it is set up just to 'make')

I gave Rob Oakes' LyX Outliner a go too
(http://www.oak-tree.us/blog/index.php/science-and-technology/lyx-outline).
 I realise this is much less developed, but the interface is quite
appealing -- reminded me of 'brown paper' exercises we have done at
work.
Brown paper exercise - get a big roll of brown paper.  Stick on wall.
use post its to capture ideas.  Stick to brown paper -annotate paper
and re-arrange post its at leisure to structure ideas.

I am a big fan of mind maps, but sometimes brainstorming can just be
putting things down and then organising the thoughts afterwards and
setting appropriate levels.  I like having a mind map to see structure
and balance.

-- 
Stephen

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[stephen's mailinglist account]

On 26 February 2010 14:09,  obregonma...@gmail.com wrote:
 I also miss having a good outlining mode in LyX. At the moment I use Freemind 
 mindmaps that I then pull into LyX via   LaTeX.

I played around today with various options tried vym (view your mind)
which has some latex export - does not seem to export a complete
document, rather only the guts of it (between \begin{document} and
\end{document}), but allows for some text to come through and not just
an outline.  Didn't try to add any images. I'm sure it ought to be
possible to add to export filters. (I think this is a qt app). After a
little work I imported to LyX.

Tried kdissert (I believe this has now been superceeded by something
which I cannot remember the name of, and which depends on kde4).  More
sofisticated (sp?) output to article, book, beamer, prosper. Bit of
work and it imported ok into LyX (it is set up just to 'make')

I gave Rob Oakes' LyX Outliner a go too
(http://www.oak-tree.us/blog/index.php/science-and-technology/lyx-outline).
 I realise this is much less developed, but the interface is quite
appealing -- reminded me of 'brown paper' exercises we have done at
work.
Brown paper exercise - get a big roll of brown paper.  Stick on wall.
use post its to capture ideas.  Stick to brown paper -annotate paper
and re-arrange post its at leisure to structure ideas.

I am a big fan of mind maps, but sometimes brainstorming can just be
putting things down and then organising the thoughts afterwards and
setting appropriate levels.  I like having a mind map to see structure
and balance.

-- 
Stephen

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[stephen's mailinglist account]

On 26 February 2010 14:09,   wrote:
> I also miss having a good outlining mode in LyX. At the moment I use Freemind 
> mindmaps that I then pull into LyX via > > LaTeX.

I played around today with various options tried vym (view your mind)
which has some latex export - does not seem to export a complete
document, rather only the guts of it (between \begin{document} and
\end{document}), but allows for some text to come through and not just
an outline.  Didn't try to add any images. I'm sure it ought to be
possible to add to export filters. (I think this is a qt app). After a
little work I imported to LyX.

Tried kdissert (I believe this has now been superceeded by something
which I cannot remember the name of, and which depends on kde4).  More
sofisticated (sp?) output to article, book, beamer, prosper. Bit of
work and it imported ok into LyX (it is set up just to 'make')

I gave Rob Oakes' LyX Outliner a go too
(http://www.oak-tree.us/blog/index.php/science-and-technology/lyx-outline).
 I realise this is much less developed, but the interface is quite
appealing -- reminded me of 'brown paper' exercises we have done at
work.
Brown paper exercise - get a big roll of brown paper.  Stick on wall.
use post its to capture ideas.  Stick to brown paper -annotate paper
and re-arrange post its at leisure to structure ideas.

I am a big fan of mind maps, but sometimes brainstorming can just be
putting things down and then organising the thoughts afterwards and
setting appropriate levels.  I like having a mind map to see structure
and balance.

-- 
Stephen

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 26/02/2010 18:01, Steve Litt wrote:

On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline
mode that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors
to construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization
and value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author
flips between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned
by nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for
release, I can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while
still retaining its value.


One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
feature; see:

http://www.lyx.org/Donate

I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
in the list (not for me).

Abdel.



Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to the
minimum to get the project started, whereas if it were just whoever wants
it take it, it might get done right away.


Well, if we take the two existing (and completed) project as example 
then this is wrong as I started the inline spellchecker before the 
amount of money reached the minimum required et Vincent did the same for 
the compare project. But that's maybe because we both are big 
contributors anyway...




However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline mode,
I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same, that would
be pretty nice.


We could also create a new sponsor project like that indeed.

Abdel.

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 26/02/2010 18:01, Steve Litt wrote:

On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline
mode that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors
to construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization
and value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author
flips between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned
by nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for
release, I can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while
still retaining its value.


One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
feature; see:

http://www.lyx.org/Donate

I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
in the list (not for me).

Abdel.



Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to the
minimum to get the project started, whereas if it were just whoever wants
it take it, it might get done right away.


Well, if we take the two existing (and completed) project as example 
then this is wrong as I started the inline spellchecker before the 
amount of money reached the minimum required et Vincent did the same for 
the compare project. But that's maybe because we both are big 
contributors anyway...




However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline mode,
I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same, that would
be pretty nice.


We could also create a new sponsor project like that indeed.

Abdel.

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 26/02/2010 18:01, Steve Litt wrote:

On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:

On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline
mode that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors
to construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization
and value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author
flips between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned
by "nobody", and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for
release, I can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while
still retaining its value.


One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
feature; see:

http://www.lyx.org/Donate

I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
in the list (not for me).

Abdel.



Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to the
"minimum to get the project started", whereas if it were just "whoever wants
it take it", it might get done right away.


Well, if we take the two existing (and completed) project as example 
then this is wrong as I started the inline spellchecker before the 
amount of money reached the minimum required et Vincent did the same for 
the compare project. But that's maybe because we both are big 
contributors anyway...




However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline mode,
I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same, that would
be pretty nice.


We could also create a new sponsor project like that indeed.

Abdel.

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Jose Quesada]

Hi,

Just a quick note to say that I really like the idea. It'd make LyX a great
tool for jotting ideas (notetaking). I'm already using it in this way. Btw
word 2010 has similar improvements on the outliner sidebar, taken from
oneNote (oneNote is a great piece of software, the only thing I miss since
moving to linux, plenty of good design ideas there).

Thanks,
-Jose

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 So I svn'ed LyX 2, built it, and ran it. So far so good except outlines. I
 ran
 it against one of my existing books and its associated layout file and
 seealso.inc, and it worked.

 One fascinating thing is for the first time in my history with LyX, I got
 it
 to recognize a layout file first crack out of the box. All I had to do was
 put
 the correctly named .layout in the same directory as the document, and
 bang,
 it worked. I know 1.6.x was *advertised* to work that way, but it didn't.
 Later I'll do some experiments to see if 2.0.x really works that way every
 time, or whether I just got lucky the first time with 2.0.x.  In the past
 I've
 found layout recognition to be a hit or miss intermittent.

 In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
 that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

 The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
 construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
 value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
 between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
 nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
 enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release,
 I
 can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still
 retaining
 its value.

 Anyway, my next step will be to observe and document how all the features
 added since 1.5.x work. 1.6.x had a lot of different inserts. 1.6 has
 layout
 modules, which I haven't explored yet. I hear 2.0 allows you to shut off
 spellcheck in certain styles, which probably means there's LOTS of
 customization that can be done at the style level.

 Anyway, thanks for the great software.

 SteveT

 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




-- 
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, I
can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still retaining
its value.


One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor 
project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare 
feature; see:


http://www.lyx.org/Donate

I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship 
in the list (not for me).


Abdel.

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[obregonmateo]

I also miss having a good outlining mode in LyX. At the moment I use Freemind 
mindmaps that I then pull into LyX via LaTeX.

I cannot work on this project now however.

Mateo.

On Friday 26 February 2010, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
  In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
  that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
 
  The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
  construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
  value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
  between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
  nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
  enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, 
  I
  can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still 
  retaining
  its value.
 
 One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor 
 project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare 
 feature; see:
 
 http://www.lyx.org/Donate
 
 I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship 
 in the list (not for me).
 
 Abdel.
 
 

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
  In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline
  mode that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
 
  The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors
  to construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization
  and value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author
  flips between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned
  by nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
  enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for
  release, I can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while
  still retaining its value.
 
 One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
 project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
 feature; see:
 
 http://www.lyx.org/Donate
 
 I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
 in the list (not for me).
 
 Abdel.
 

Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to the 
minimum to get the project started, whereas if it were just whoever wants 
it take it, it might get done right away.

However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline mode, 
I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same, that would 
be pretty nice.

StevET

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Stefano Franchi]

On 02/26/10, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
 One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
 project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
 feature; see:
 
 http://www.lyx.org/Donate
 
 I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
 in the list (not for me).
 
 Abdel.

Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to
the minimum to get the project started, whereas if it were just whoever
wants it take it, it might get done right away.

However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline
mode, I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same,
that would be pretty nice.


Sounds like a good idea, although based on a good deal of mutual trust. But I 
believe in human nature. So count me in.

S.

__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (979) 862-2211
Texas AM University  Fax: (979) 845-0458
305B Bolton Hall  fran...@philosophy.tamu.edu
College Station, TX 77843-4237

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Jose Quesada]

Hi,

Just a quick note to say that I really like the idea. It'd make LyX a great
tool for jotting ideas (notetaking). I'm already using it in this way. Btw
word 2010 has similar improvements on the outliner sidebar, taken from
oneNote (oneNote is a great piece of software, the only thing I miss since
moving to linux, plenty of good design ideas there).

Thanks,
-Jose

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 So I svn'ed LyX 2, built it, and ran it. So far so good except outlines. I
 ran
 it against one of my existing books and its associated layout file and
 seealso.inc, and it worked.

 One fascinating thing is for the first time in my history with LyX, I got
 it
 to recognize a layout file first crack out of the box. All I had to do was
 put
 the correctly named .layout in the same directory as the document, and
 bang,
 it worked. I know 1.6.x was *advertised* to work that way, but it didn't.
 Later I'll do some experiments to see if 2.0.x really works that way every
 time, or whether I just got lucky the first time with 2.0.x.  In the past
 I've
 found layout recognition to be a hit or miss intermittent.

 In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
 that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

 The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
 construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
 value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
 between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
 nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
 enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release,
 I
 can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still
 retaining
 its value.

 Anyway, my next step will be to observe and document how all the features
 added since 1.5.x work. 1.6.x had a lot of different inserts. 1.6 has
 layout
 modules, which I haven't explored yet. I hear 2.0 allows you to shut off
 spellcheck in certain styles, which probably means there's LOTS of
 customization that can be done at the style level.

 Anyway, thanks for the great software.

 SteveT

 Steve Litt
 Recession Relief Package
 http://www.recession-relief.US
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt




-- 
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, I
can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still retaining
its value.


One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor 
project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare 
feature; see:


http://www.lyx.org/Donate

I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship 
in the list (not for me).


Abdel.

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[obregonmateo]

I also miss having a good outlining mode in LyX. At the moment I use Freemind 
mindmaps that I then pull into LyX via LaTeX.

I cannot work on this project now however.

Mateo.

On Friday 26 February 2010, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
  In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
  that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
 
  The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
  construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
  value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
  between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
  nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
  enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, 
  I
  can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still 
  retaining
  its value.
 
 One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor 
 project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare 
 feature; see:
 
 http://www.lyx.org/Donate
 
 I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship 
 in the list (not for me).
 
 Abdel.
 
 

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
  In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline
  mode that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
 
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
 
  The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors
  to construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization
  and value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author
  flips between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned
  by nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
  enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for
  release, I can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while
  still retaining its value.
 
 One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
 project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
 feature; see:
 
 http://www.lyx.org/Donate
 
 I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
 in the list (not for me).
 
 Abdel.
 

Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to the 
minimum to get the project started, whereas if it were just whoever wants 
it take it, it might get done right away.

However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline mode, 
I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same, that would 
be pretty nice.

StevET

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Stefano Franchi]

On 02/26/10, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
 On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
 One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
 project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
 feature; see:
 
 http://www.lyx.org/Donate
 
 I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
 in the list (not for me).
 
 Abdel.

Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to
the minimum to get the project started, whereas if it were just whoever
wants it take it, it might get done right away.

However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline
mode, I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same,
that would be pretty nice.


Sounds like a good idea, although based on a good deal of mutual trust. But I 
believe in human nature. So count me in.

S.

__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (979) 862-2211
Texas AM University  Fax: (979) 845-0458
305B Bolton Hall  fran...@philosophy.tamu.edu
College Station, TX 77843-4237

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Jose Quesada]

Hi,

Just a quick note to say that I really like the idea. It'd make LyX a great
tool for jotting ideas (notetaking). I'm already using it in this way. Btw
word 2010 has similar improvements on the outliner sidebar, taken from
oneNote (oneNote is a great piece of software, the only thing I miss since
moving to linux, plenty of good design ideas there).

Thanks,
-Jose

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So I svn'ed LyX 2, built it, and ran it. So far so good except outlines. I
> ran
> it against one of my existing books and its associated layout file and
> seealso.inc, and it worked.
>
> One fascinating thing is for the first time in my history with LyX, I got
> it
> to recognize a layout file first crack out of the box. All I had to do was
> put
> the correctly named .layout in the same directory as the document, and
> bang,
> it worked. I know 1.6.x was *advertised* to work that way, but it didn't.
> Later I'll do some experiments to see if 2.0.x really works that way every
> time, or whether I just got lucky the first time with 2.0.x.  In the past
> I've
> found layout recognition to be a hit or miss intermittent.
>
> In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
> that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
>
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
>
> The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
> construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
> value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
> between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
> "nobody", and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
> enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release,
> I
> can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still
> retaining
> its value.
>
> Anyway, my next step will be to observe and document how all the features
> added since 1.5.x work. 1.6.x had a lot of different inserts. 1.6 has
> layout
> modules, which I haven't explored yet. I hear 2.0 allows you to shut off
> spellcheck in certain styles, which probably means there's LOTS of
> customization that can be done at the style level.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the great software.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
>
>


-- 
Best,
-Jose

Jose Quesada, PhD.
Max Planck Institute,
Center for Adaptive Behavior and Cognition,
Berlin
http://www.josequesada.name/
http://twitter.com/Quesada

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
"nobody", and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, I
can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still retaining
its value.


One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor 
project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare 
feature; see:


http://www.lyx.org/Donate

I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship 
in the list (not for me).


Abdel.

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[obregonmateo]

I also miss having a good outlining mode in LyX. At the moment I use Freemind 
mindmaps that I then pull into LyX via LaTeX.

I cannot work on this project now however.

Mateo.

On Friday 26 February 2010, Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode
> > that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
> >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
> >
> > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
> >
> > The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to
> > construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and
> > value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips
> > between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by
> > "nobody", and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
> > enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, 
> > I
> > can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still 
> > retaining
> > its value.
> 
> One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor 
> project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare 
> feature; see:
> 
> http://www.lyx.org/Donate
> 
> I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship 
> in the list (not for me).
> 
> Abdel.
> 
> 

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Steve Litt]

On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
> On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline
> > mode that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:
> >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html
> >
> > http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174
> >
> > The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors
> > to construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization
> > and value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author
> > flips between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned
> > by "nobody", and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the
> > enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for
> > release, I can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while
> > still retaining its value.
> 
> One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
> project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
> feature; see:
> 
> http://www.lyx.org/Donate
> 
> I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
> in the list (not for me).
> 
> Abdel.
> 

Hi Abdel,

The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to the 
"minimum to get the project started", whereas if it were just "whoever wants 
it take it", it might get done right away.

However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline mode, 
I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same, that would 
be pretty nice.

StevET

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Stefano Franchi]

On 02/26/10, Steve Litt  wrote:
>On Friday 26 February 2010 07:31:49 Abdelrazak Younes wrote:
>> On 02/26/2010 05:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> One way to trigger the interest of a developper is to create a sponsor
>> project like we've done for the inline spellchecker or the compare
>> feature; see:
>> 
>> http://www.lyx.org/Donate
>> 
>> I can set up such a project for you if there's interest in sponsorship
>> in the list (not for me).
>> 
>> Abdel.
>
>Hi Abdel,
>
>The trouble I see with that is a project can languish waiting to get up to
>the "minimum to get the project started", whereas if it were just "whoever
>wants it take it", it might get done right away.
>
>However, I'll pledge that WHEN a developer completes the better outline
>mode, I'll Paypal him/her $40 US Dollars. If a lot of people do the same,
>that would be pretty nice.
>

Sounds like a good idea, although based on a good deal of mutual trust. But I 
believe in human nature. So count me in.

S.

__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (979) 862-2211
Texas A University  Fax: (979) 845-0458
305B Bolton Hall  fran...@philosophy.tamu.edu
College Station, TX 77843-4237

LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

So I svn'ed LyX 2, built it, and ran it. So far so good except outlines. I ran 
it against one of my existing books and its associated layout file and 
seealso.inc, and it worked. 

One fascinating thing is for the first time in my history with LyX, I got it 
to recognize a layout file first crack out of the box. All I had to do was put 
the correctly named .layout in the same directory as the document, and bang, 
it worked. I know 1.6.x was *advertised* to work that way, but it didn't. 
Later I'll do some experiments to see if 2.0.x really works that way every 
time, or whether I just got lucky the first time with 2.0.x.  In the past I've 
found layout recognition to be a hit or miss intermittent.

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode 
that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to 
construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and 
value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips 
between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by 
nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the 
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, I 
can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still retaining 
its value.

Anyway, my next step will be to observe and document how all the features 
added since 1.5.x work. 1.6.x had a lot of different inserts. 1.6 has layout 
modules, which I haven't explored yet. I hear 2.0 allows you to shut off 
spellcheck in certain styles, which probably means there's LOTS of 
customization that can be done at the style level.

Anyway, thanks for the great software.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

So I svn'ed LyX 2, built it, and ran it. So far so good except outlines. I ran 
it against one of my existing books and its associated layout file and 
seealso.inc, and it worked. 

One fascinating thing is for the first time in my history with LyX, I got it 
to recognize a layout file first crack out of the box. All I had to do was put 
the correctly named .layout in the same directory as the document, and bang, 
it worked. I know 1.6.x was *advertised* to work that way, but it didn't. 
Later I'll do some experiments to see if 2.0.x really works that way every 
time, or whether I just got lucky the first time with 2.0.x.  In the past I've 
found layout recognition to be a hit or miss intermittent.

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode 
that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to 
construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and 
value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips 
between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by 
nobody, and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the 
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, I 
can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still retaining 
its value.

Anyway, my next step will be to observe and document how all the features 
added since 1.5.x work. 1.6.x had a lot of different inserts. 1.6 has layout 
modules, which I haven't explored yet. I hear 2.0 allows you to shut off 
spellcheck in certain styles, which probably means there's LOTS of 
customization that can be done at the style level.

Anyway, thanks for the great software.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

LyX 2: So far so good, except outlines

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

So I svn'ed LyX 2, built it, and ran it. So far so good except outlines. I ran 
it against one of my existing books and its associated layout file and 
seealso.inc, and it worked. 

One fascinating thing is for the first time in my history with LyX, I got it 
to recognize a layout file first crack out of the box. All I had to do was put 
the correctly named .layout in the same directory as the document, and bang, 
it worked. I know 1.6.x was *advertised* to work that way, but it didn't. 
Later I'll do some experiments to see if 2.0.x really works that way every 
time, or whether I just got lucky the first time with 2.0.x.  In the past I've 
found layout recognition to be a hit or miss intermittent.

In August I put in a request for a couple improvements to LyX outline mode 
that would stratospherically launch productivity. See it here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg154181.html

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6174

The enhancement described, or even something close, would enable authors to 
construct from scratch outlines within LyX, enhancing the organization and 
value of their documents. It would also limit mistakes as the author flips 
between outline view and document view. I see right now it's owned by 
"nobody", and it would be wonderful if it could be addressed. If the 
enhancement as I described it is too difficult to code in time for release, I 
can work with the developer to simplify the enhancement while still retaining 
its value.

Anyway, my next step will be to observe and document how all the features 
added since 1.5.x work. 1.6.x had a lot of different inserts. 1.6 has layout 
modules, which I haven't explored yet. I hear 2.0 allows you to shut off 
spellcheck in certain styles, which probably means there's LOTS of 
customization that can be done at the style level.

Anyway, thanks for the great software.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt