Re: LyX install on Fedora
Milen Ivanov wrote: Dear Abdel, I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. It is mostly my general feeling, but I have collected some data for a rather arbitrary example. 1/ I run Linux F8 on laptop with Intel 1.7GHz and XP on Intel 1GHz (both 32bit, of course). Now, they say that both configuration should be comparable in speed because laptop configuration slows down things. Anyway even if factor of 1/2 is applied to below figures, the conclusion is still in favor of Linux. 2/ Of course, this applies to whole configuration: it may be that teTeX is faster than MikTeX, the viewer is faster and so on. So, the test is that I opened one of my files: custom, the Introduction and the User Guide, clicked DVI and PDF (after that) and measured approximately how many seconds it will take to show. OK, this means that teTeX is faster that MikTeX but this does not talk about LyX itself. I was thinking more in terms of startup time, file loading, scrolling, etc. But thanks anyway for the numbers, Abdel.
RE: Re: LyX install on Fedora
Dear Abdel, I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. It is mostly my general feeling, but I have collected some data for a rather arbitrary example. 1/ I run Linux F8 on laptop with Intel 1.7GHz and XP on Intel 1GHz (both 32bit, of course). Now, they say that both configuration should be comparable in speed because laptop configuration slows down things. Anyway even if factor of 1/2 is applied to below figures, the conclusion is still in favor of Linux. 2/ Of course, this applies to whole configuration: it may be that teTeX is faster than MikTeX, the viewer is faster and so on. So, the test is that I opened one of my files: custom, the Introduction and the User Guide, clicked DVI and PDF (after that) and measured approximately how many seconds it will take to show. The results are: Linux: DVI PDF Custom 8 3 Introduction15 4 User Guide 20 10 Windows: DVI PDF Custom 21 12 Introduction35 14 User Guide more than 60s I do not know if this info is useful for you, but anyway. Best regards, Milen -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abdelrazak Younes Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:10 PM To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: LyX install on Fedora Milen Ivanov wrote: From what I can see so far, LyX on Linux is clearly faster than LyX on Windows. I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. Abdel.
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Milen Ivanov wrote: Dear Abdel, I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. It is mostly my general feeling, but I have collected some data for a rather arbitrary example. 1/ I run Linux F8 on laptop with Intel 1.7GHz and XP on Intel 1GHz (both 32bit, of course). Now, they say that both configuration should be comparable in speed because laptop configuration slows down things. Anyway even if factor of 1/2 is applied to below figures, the conclusion is still in favor of Linux. 2/ Of course, this applies to whole configuration: it may be that teTeX is faster than MikTeX, the viewer is faster and so on. So, the test is that I opened one of my files: custom, the Introduction and the User Guide, clicked DVI and PDF (after that) and measured approximately how many seconds it will take to show. OK, this means that teTeX is faster that MikTeX but this does not talk about LyX itself. I was thinking more in terms of startup time, file loading, scrolling, etc. But thanks anyway for the numbers, Abdel.
RE: Re: LyX install on Fedora
Dear Abdel, I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. It is mostly my general feeling, but I have collected some data for a rather arbitrary example. 1/ I run Linux F8 on laptop with Intel 1.7GHz and XP on Intel 1GHz (both 32bit, of course). Now, they say that both configuration should be comparable in speed because laptop configuration slows down things. Anyway even if factor of 1/2 is applied to below figures, the conclusion is still in favor of Linux. 2/ Of course, this applies to whole configuration: it may be that teTeX is faster than MikTeX, the viewer is faster and so on. So, the test is that I opened one of my files: custom, the Introduction and the User Guide, clicked DVI and PDF (after that) and measured approximately how many seconds it will take to show. The results are: Linux: DVI PDF Custom 8 3 Introduction15 4 User Guide 20 10 Windows: DVI PDF Custom 21 12 Introduction35 14 User Guide more than 60s I do not know if this info is useful for you, but anyway. Best regards, Milen -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abdelrazak Younes Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:10 PM To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: LyX install on Fedora Milen Ivanov wrote: From what I can see so far, LyX on Linux is clearly faster than LyX on Windows. I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. Abdel.
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Milen Ivanov wrote: Dear Abdel, I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. It is mostly my general feeling, but I have collected some data for a rather arbitrary example. 1/ I run Linux F8 on laptop with Intel 1.7GHz and XP on Intel 1GHz (both 32bit, of course). Now, they say that both configuration should be comparable in speed because laptop configuration slows down things. Anyway even if factor of 1/2 is applied to below figures, the conclusion is still in favor of Linux. 2/ Of course, this applies to whole configuration: it may be that teTeX is faster than MikTeX, the viewer is faster and so on. So, the test is that I opened one of my files: "custom", the Introduction and the User Guide, clicked DVI and PDF (after that) and measured approximately how many seconds it will take to show. OK, this means that teTeX is faster that MikTeX but this does not talk about LyX itself. I was thinking more in terms of startup time, file loading, scrolling, etc. But thanks anyway for the numbers, Abdel.
RE: Re: LyX install on Fedora
Dear Abdel, >I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. It is mostly my general feeling, but I have collected some data for a rather arbitrary example. 1/ I run Linux F8 on laptop with Intel 1.7GHz and XP on Intel 1GHz (both 32bit, of course). Now, they say that both configuration should be comparable in speed because laptop configuration slows down things. Anyway even if factor of 1/2 is applied to below figures, the conclusion is still in favor of Linux. 2/ Of course, this applies to whole configuration: it may be that teTeX is faster than MikTeX, the viewer is faster and so on. So, the test is that I opened one of my files: "custom", the Introduction and the User Guide, clicked DVI and PDF (after that) and measured approximately how many seconds it will take to show. The results are: Linux: DVI PDF Custom 8 3 Introduction15 4 User Guide 20 10 Windows: DVI PDF Custom 21 12 Introduction35 14 User Guide more than 60s I do not know if this info is useful for you, but anyway. Best regards, Milen -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abdelrazak Younes Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:10 PM To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: LyX install on Fedora Milen Ivanov wrote: > From what I can see so far, LyX on Linux is clearly faster than LyX on > Windows. I'd be interested in a more detailed comparison about the speed. Abdel.
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Uh, did you consider 'yum install lyx'? You don't need to build anything for lyx on F8.
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Milen Ivanov wrote: Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because Ubuntu setup program could not find its way around the chipset, Debian appears LARGE (4 DVDs! to have no worry) and no-one I know is on SuSe. For what it's worth, I still love Fedora. I think it strikes a nice balance between having the latest software and being fairly stable. You just do need to make sure to keep it upgraded, and to upgrade versions regularly, too, since they have a fairly short life-cycle. I'm just frustrated by certain bits related to KDE. If you're going to use Gnome, I think Fedora will be fine, and I can see myself staying with it, even with the frustrations. Nevertheless, after compiling and installing the latest version of Qt4, the from source installation of LyX is a piece of cake. Generally so, yes. I regularly compile LyX 1.6.svn for development purposes just using the Qt packages from Fedora. The only problem was that xdvi seems to be missing from the distribution, or at least not recognizable. Just installing it solves the problem. (The one I got has an interface from the good old days, but in the context of LyX does its job just fine). [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qf `which xdvi` tetex-xdvi-3.0-44.3.fc8 You can also install kdvi, in the kdegraphics package. It's a nice viewer. Fast, and it supports things like thumbnails and links. From what I can see so far, LyX on Linux is clearly faster than LyX on Windows. The latter however is somehow better configured when using the alternative installer. If there are other respects in which this is so, other than the failure to find xdvi, then do let us know. DVI is a special case, though. The only two DVI viewers listed in the configure script are xdvi and kdvi. Evince, for example, won't handle it. Richard
Re: LyX install on Fedora
On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), so as Neal Becker points out below all you need to do is to install the latest available package. The advantages of using a package-based distro (whether it's rpm based (e.g. Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE) or deb based (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) is that removing/upgrading the program (and all it's dependent parts) is much cleaner and easier. It also allows you to benefit from the experience of someone who has made it their specialty and expertise to figure out exactly how the upstream source can be best integrated with the rest of the distribution. There is some excellent documentation available on software management in Fedora here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/ HTH, Oisin Feeley
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Oisin wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), [...] I took it he meant he wanted to try 1.6.svn rh
RE: LyX install on Fedora
Dear Oisin, Thank you, it surely helps! Actually the first thing I tried was to find a .rpm for LyX 1.5.3 for Fedora 8, but from another computer running XP (I used Google) as it will take me few more days to connect the laptop to internet. I did find some .rpm's but for LyX 1.4.. and Fedora 6, so I assumed that it is not on yet. What can I say... rookie performance. When it comes to updating to LyX 1.6, I will use the package manager. Best regards, Milen -Original Message- From: Oisin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:24 PM To: Milen Ivanov Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: LyX install on Fedora On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), so as Neal Becker points out below all you need to do is to install the latest available package. The advantages of using a package-based distro (whether it's rpm based (e.g. Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE) or deb based (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) is that removing/upgrading the program (and all it's dependent parts) is much cleaner and easier. It also allows you to benefit from the experience of someone who has made it their specialty and expertise to figure out exactly how the upstream source can be best integrated with the rest of the distribution. There is some excellent documentation available on software management in Fedora here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/ HTH, Oisin Feeley
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Uh, did you consider 'yum install lyx'? You don't need to build anything for lyx on F8.
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Milen Ivanov wrote: Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because Ubuntu setup program could not find its way around the chipset, Debian appears LARGE (4 DVDs! to have no worry) and no-one I know is on SuSe. For what it's worth, I still love Fedora. I think it strikes a nice balance between having the latest software and being fairly stable. You just do need to make sure to keep it upgraded, and to upgrade versions regularly, too, since they have a fairly short life-cycle. I'm just frustrated by certain bits related to KDE. If you're going to use Gnome, I think Fedora will be fine, and I can see myself staying with it, even with the frustrations. Nevertheless, after compiling and installing the latest version of Qt4, the from source installation of LyX is a piece of cake. Generally so, yes. I regularly compile LyX 1.6.svn for development purposes just using the Qt packages from Fedora. The only problem was that xdvi seems to be missing from the distribution, or at least not recognizable. Just installing it solves the problem. (The one I got has an interface from the good old days, but in the context of LyX does its job just fine). [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qf `which xdvi` tetex-xdvi-3.0-44.3.fc8 You can also install kdvi, in the kdegraphics package. It's a nice viewer. Fast, and it supports things like thumbnails and links. From what I can see so far, LyX on Linux is clearly faster than LyX on Windows. The latter however is somehow better configured when using the alternative installer. If there are other respects in which this is so, other than the failure to find xdvi, then do let us know. DVI is a special case, though. The only two DVI viewers listed in the configure script are xdvi and kdvi. Evince, for example, won't handle it. Richard
Re: LyX install on Fedora
On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), so as Neal Becker points out below all you need to do is to install the latest available package. The advantages of using a package-based distro (whether it's rpm based (e.g. Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE) or deb based (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) is that removing/upgrading the program (and all it's dependent parts) is much cleaner and easier. It also allows you to benefit from the experience of someone who has made it their specialty and expertise to figure out exactly how the upstream source can be best integrated with the rest of the distribution. There is some excellent documentation available on software management in Fedora here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/ HTH, Oisin Feeley
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Oisin wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), [...] I took it he meant he wanted to try 1.6.svn rh
RE: LyX install on Fedora
Dear Oisin, Thank you, it surely helps! Actually the first thing I tried was to find a .rpm for LyX 1.5.3 for Fedora 8, but from another computer running XP (I used Google) as it will take me few more days to connect the laptop to internet. I did find some .rpm's but for LyX 1.4.. and Fedora 6, so I assumed that it is not on yet. What can I say... rookie performance. When it comes to updating to LyX 1.6, I will use the package manager. Best regards, Milen -Original Message- From: Oisin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:24 PM To: Milen Ivanov Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: LyX install on Fedora On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), so as Neal Becker points out below all you need to do is to install the latest available package. The advantages of using a package-based distro (whether it's rpm based (e.g. Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE) or deb based (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) is that removing/upgrading the program (and all it's dependent parts) is much cleaner and easier. It also allows you to benefit from the experience of someone who has made it their specialty and expertise to figure out exactly how the upstream source can be best integrated with the rest of the distribution. There is some excellent documentation available on software management in Fedora here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/ HTH, Oisin Feeley
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Uh, did you consider 'yum install lyx'? You don't need to build anything for lyx on F8.
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Milen Ivanov wrote: Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because Ubuntu setup program could not find its way around the chipset, Debian appears LARGE (4 DVDs! to have no worry) and no-one I know is on SuSe. For what it's worth, I still love Fedora. I think it strikes a nice balance between having the latest software and being fairly stable. You just do need to make sure to keep it upgraded, and to upgrade versions regularly, too, since they have a fairly short life-cycle. I'm just frustrated by certain bits related to KDE. If you're going to use Gnome, I think Fedora will be fine, and I can see myself staying with it, even with the frustrations. Nevertheless, after compiling and installing the latest version of Qt4, the "from source" installation of LyX is a piece of cake. Generally so, yes. I regularly compile LyX 1.6.svn for development purposes just using the Qt packages from Fedora. The only problem was that xdvi seems to be missing from the distribution, or at least not recognizable. Just installing it solves the problem. (The one I got has an interface from the good old days, but in the context of LyX does its job just fine). [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qf `which xdvi` tetex-xdvi-3.0-44.3.fc8 You can also install kdvi, in the kdegraphics package. It's a nice viewer. Fast, and it supports things like thumbnails and links. From what I can see so far, LyX on Linux is clearly faster than LyX on Windows. The latter however is somehow better configured when using the alternative installer. If there are other respects in which this is so, other than the failure to find xdvi, then do let us know. DVI is a special case, though. The only two DVI viewers listed in the configure script are xdvi and kdvi. Evince, for example, won't handle it. Richard
Re: LyX install on Fedora
On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > > > Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version > of LyX. > > > > Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few > days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), so as Neal Becker points out below all you need to do is to install the latest available package. The advantages of using a package-based distro (whether it's rpm based (e.g. Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE) or deb based (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) is that removing/upgrading the program (and all it's dependent parts) is much cleaner and easier. It also allows you to benefit from the experience of someone who has made it their specialty and expertise to figure out exactly how the upstream source can be best integrated with the rest of the distribution. There is some excellent documentation available on software management in Fedora here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/ HTH, Oisin Feeley
Re: LyX install on Fedora
Oisin wrote: On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear All, Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version of LyX. Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), [...] I took it he meant he wanted to try 1.6.svn rh
RE: LyX install on Fedora
Dear Oisin, Thank you, it surely helps! Actually the first thing I tried was to find a .rpm for LyX 1.5.3 for Fedora 8, but from another computer running XP (I used Google) as it will take me few more days to connect the laptop to internet. I did find some .rpm's but for LyX 1.4.. and Fedora 6, so I assumed that it is not on yet. What can I say... rookie performance. When it comes to updating to LyX 1.6, I will use the package manager. Best regards, Milen -Original Message- From: Oisin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:24 PM To: Milen Ivanov Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Subject: Re: LyX install on Fedora On Jan 15, 2008 6:54 AM, Milen Ivanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > > > Just a note for Linux rookies like me who might want the latest version > of LyX. > > > > Unfortunately the recent discussion on Linux distributions came just few > days too late for me. I chose Fedora 8 (Gnome) for my laptop because The results of that are now a bit out of date as Fedora 8 has the latest Lyx (1.5.3), so as Neal Becker points out below all you need to do is to install the latest available package. The advantages of using a package-based distro (whether it's rpm based (e.g. Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE) or deb based (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu) is that removing/upgrading the program (and all it's dependent parts) is much cleaner and easier. It also allows you to benefit from the experience of someone who has made it their specialty and expertise to figure out exactly how the upstream source can be best integrated with the rest of the distribution. There is some excellent documentation available on software management in Fedora here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/yum/en/ HTH, Oisin Feeley
