Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-16 Thread Helge Hafting

Robert Orr wrote:

I used to try going into the file with the text editor
and changing the lyxformat tag so that the file
matched what version of LyX I was using.That
sometimes solved the program.
  

That may seem to work, but it is a dangerous game to play.
When LyX reads a file, it doesn't really expect that the lyxformat tag
doesn't match content.

So any mismatching content might put LyX in a strange internal
state, which may manifest itself later as strange crashes or
even strange stuff written when you eventually save the file.

LyX has very little protection against such problems. That is
actually what the lyxformat tag is for - it prevents LyX from
trying to read 'dangerous stuff'.

Helge Hafting



Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-16 Thread Helge Hafting

Robert Orr wrote:

I used to try going into the file with the text editor
and changing the lyxformat tag so that the file
matched what version of LyX I was using.That
sometimes solved the program.
  

That may seem to work, but it is a dangerous game to play.
When LyX reads a file, it doesn't really expect that the lyxformat tag
doesn't match content.

So any mismatching content might put LyX in a strange internal
state, which may manifest itself later as strange crashes or
even strange stuff written when you eventually save the file.

LyX has very little protection against such problems. That is
actually what the lyxformat tag is for - it prevents LyX from
trying to read 'dangerous stuff'.

Helge Hafting



Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-16 Thread Helge Hafting

Robert Orr wrote:

I used to try going into the file with the text editor
and changing the lyxformat tag so that the file
matched what version of LyX I was using.That
sometimes solved the program.
  

That may seem to work, but it is a dangerous game to play.
When LyX reads a file, it doesn't really expect that the lyxformat tag
doesn't match content.

So any mismatching content might put LyX in a strange internal
state, which may manifest itself later as strange crashes or
even strange stuff written when you eventually save the file.

LyX has very little protection against such problems. That is
actually what the lyxformat tag is for - it prevents LyX from
trying to read 'dangerous stuff'.

Helge Hafting



Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Unknown wrote:

Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent to me by a writer
with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message I'm getting is
/tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier version of Lyx, but
the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any solution? I'm on Lyx
1.4.3 FN


The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the latest format) 
usually works pretty well, but I think that occasionally something odd 
in the file will trip it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin 
characters first.  Other than that, you can try divide-and-conquer. 
Delete roughly the second half from a copy of the document (keeping the 
\end_body \end_document lines and making sure you don't cut in the 
middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx manages to convert the 
resulting file, the problem is in the second half; if not, it's in the 
first half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down where the culprit 
lies.


Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize the likelihood of 
future issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of getting this 
particular document converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he 
can open the document in his older version and cut/paste everything into 
the new version.


/Paul



Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Paul A . Rubin
Unknown unknown at unknown.invalid writes:

 
 Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent to me by a writer
 with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message I'm getting is
 /tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier version of Lyx, but
 the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any solution? I'm on Lyx
 1.4.3 FN


The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the latest format) usually works
pretty well, but I think that occasionally something odd in the file will trip
it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin characters first.  Other than that, you
can try divide-and-conquer. Delete roughly the second half from a copy of the
document (keeping the \end_body \end_document lines and making sure you don't
cut in the middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx manages to convert the
resulting file, the problem is in the second half; if not, it's in the first
half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down where the culprit lies.

Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize the likelihood of future
issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of getting this particular document
converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he can open the document in his
older version and cut/paste everything into the new version.

/Paul




Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Robert Orr
I used to try going into the file with the text editor
and changing the lyxformat tag so that the file
matched what version of LyX I was using.That
sometimes solved the program.

HTH.

Phil

--- Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Unknown unknown at unknown.invalid writes:
 
  
  Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent
 to me by a writer
  with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message
 I'm getting is
  /tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier
 version of Lyx, but
  the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any
 solution? I'm on Lyx
  1.4.3 FN
 
 
 The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the
 latest format) usually works
 pretty well, but I think that occasionally something
 odd in the file will trip
 it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin characters
 first.  Other than that, you
 can try divide-and-conquer. Delete roughly the
 second half from a copy of the
 document (keeping the \end_body \end_document lines
 and making sure you don't
 cut in the middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx
 manages to convert the
 resulting file, the problem is in the second half;
 if not, it's in the first
 half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down
 where the culprit lies.
 
 Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize
 the likelihood of future
 issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of
 getting this particular document
 converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he
 can open the document in his
 older version and cut/paste everything into the new
 version.
 
 /Paul
 
 
 



   

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Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Unknown wrote:

Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent to me by a writer
with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message I'm getting is
/tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier version of Lyx, but
the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any solution? I'm on Lyx
1.4.3 FN


The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the latest format) 
usually works pretty well, but I think that occasionally something odd 
in the file will trip it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin 
characters first.  Other than that, you can try divide-and-conquer. 
Delete roughly the second half from a copy of the document (keeping the 
\end_body \end_document lines and making sure you don't cut in the 
middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx manages to convert the 
resulting file, the problem is in the second half; if not, it's in the 
first half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down where the culprit 
lies.


Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize the likelihood of 
future issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of getting this 
particular document converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he 
can open the document in his older version and cut/paste everything into 
the new version.


/Paul



Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Paul A . Rubin
Unknown unknown at unknown.invalid writes:

 
 Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent to me by a writer
 with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message I'm getting is
 /tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier version of Lyx, but
 the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any solution? I'm on Lyx
 1.4.3 FN


The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the latest format) usually works
pretty well, but I think that occasionally something odd in the file will trip
it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin characters first.  Other than that, you
can try divide-and-conquer. Delete roughly the second half from a copy of the
document (keeping the \end_body \end_document lines and making sure you don't
cut in the middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx manages to convert the
resulting file, the problem is in the second half; if not, it's in the first
half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down where the culprit lies.

Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize the likelihood of future
issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of getting this particular document
converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he can open the document in his
older version and cut/paste everything into the new version.

/Paul




Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Robert Orr
I used to try going into the file with the text editor
and changing the lyxformat tag so that the file
matched what version of LyX I was using.That
sometimes solved the program.

HTH.

Phil

--- Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Unknown unknown at unknown.invalid writes:
 
  
  Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent
 to me by a writer
  with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message
 I'm getting is
  /tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier
 version of Lyx, but
  the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any
 solution? I'm on Lyx
  1.4.3 FN
 
 
 The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the
 latest format) usually works
 pretty well, but I think that occasionally something
 odd in the file will trip
 it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin characters
 first.  Other than that, you
 can try divide-and-conquer. Delete roughly the
 second half from a copy of the
 document (keeping the \end_body \end_document lines
 and making sure you don't
 cut in the middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx
 manages to convert the
 resulting file, the problem is in the second half;
 if not, it's in the first
 half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down
 where the culprit lies.
 
 Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize
 the likelihood of future
 issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of
 getting this particular document
 converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he
 can open the document in his
 older version and cut/paste everything into the new
 version.
 
 /Paul
 
 
 



   

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Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Unknown wrote:

Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent to me by a writer
with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message I'm getting is
"/tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier version of Lyx, but
the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it". Any solution? I'm on Lyx
1.4.3 FN


The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the latest format) 
usually works pretty well, but I think that occasionally something odd 
in the file will trip it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin 
characters first.  Other than that, you can try divide-and-conquer. 
Delete roughly the second half from a copy of the document (keeping the 
\end_body \end_document lines and making sure you don't cut in the 
middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx manages to convert the 
resulting file, the problem is in the second half; if not, it's in the 
first half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down where the culprit 
lies.


Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize the likelihood of 
future issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of getting this 
particular document converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he 
can open the document in his older version and cut/paste everything into 
the new version.


/Paul



Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Paul A . Rubin
Unknown  unknown.invalid> writes:

> 
> Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent to me by a writer
> with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message I'm getting is
> "/tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier version of Lyx, but
> the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it". Any solution? I'm on Lyx
> 1.4.3 FN


The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the latest format) usually works
pretty well, but I think that occasionally something odd in the file will trip
it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin characters first.  Other than that, you
can try divide-and-conquer. Delete roughly the second half from a copy of the
document (keeping the \end_body \end_document lines and making sure you don't
cut in the middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx manages to convert the
resulting file, the problem is in the second half; if not, it's in the first
half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down where the culprit lies.

Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize the likelihood of future
issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of getting this particular document
converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he can open the document in his
older version and cut/paste everything into the new version.

/Paul




Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-15 Thread Robert Orr
I used to try going into the file with the text editor
and changing the lyxformat tag so that the file
matched what version of LyX I was using.That
sometimes solved the program.

HTH.

Phil

--- "Paul A. Rubin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Unknown  unknown.invalid> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent
> to me by a writer
> > with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message
> I'm getting is
> > "/tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier
> version of Lyx, but
> > the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it". Any
> solution? I'm on Lyx
> > 1.4.3 FN
> 
> 
> The lyx2lyx script (which updates a LyX file to the
> latest format) usually works
> pretty well, but I think that occasionally something
> odd in the file will trip
> it up.  I suggest you look for non-Latin characters
> first.  Other than that, you
> can try divide-and-conquer. Delete roughly the
> second half from a copy of the
> document (keeping the \end_body \end_document lines
> and making sure you don't
> cut in the middle of a layout or inset).  If lyx2lyx
> manages to convert the
> resulting file, the problem is in the second half;
> if not, it's in the first
> half.  Continue bisecting until you narrow down
> where the culprit lies.
> 
> Convincing your co-author to upgrade will minimize
> the likelihood of future
> issues.  It won't directly solve the problem of
> getting this particular document
> converted.  If your co-author upgrades, though, he
> can open the document in his
> older version and cut/paste everything into the new
> version.
> 
> /Paul
> 
> 
> 



   

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Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-14 Thread John Kane
I have run into this before and later discovered that
what was happening was that my version was out of date
not the one the other person was using.  

I would suggest checking with the other author : He or
she may be using a more modern version of LyX.  If so
you may need to upgrade.

--- Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक
नोरोंया [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent
 to me by a writer
 with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message
 I'm getting is
 /tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier
 version of Lyx, but
 the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any
 solution? I'm on Lyx
 1.4.3 FN
 -- 
 Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph
 0091-832-2409490
 List of Indian e-lists
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Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-14 Thread John Kane
I have run into this before and later discovered that
what was happening was that my version was out of date
not the one the other person was using.  

I would suggest checking with the other author : He or
she may be using a more modern version of LyX.  If so
you may need to upgrade.

--- Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक
नोरोंया [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent
 to me by a writer
 with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message
 I'm getting is
 /tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier
 version of Lyx, but
 the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it. Any
 solution? I'm on Lyx
 1.4.3 FN
 -- 
 Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph
 0091-832-2409490
 List of Indian e-lists
 http://wikiwikiweb.de/MailingListsInIndia
 



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Re: For Lyx users, a problem in sharing a Lyx file

2007-10-14 Thread John Kane
I have run into this before and later discovered that
what was happening was that my version was out of date
not the one the other person was using.  

I would suggest checking with the other author : He or
she may be using a more modern version of LyX.  If so
you may need to upgrade.

--- "Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक
नोरोंया" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi Lyx-Users, When I try to read the Lyx file sent
> to me by a writer
> with whom I'm collaborating on a book, the message
> I'm getting is
> "/tmp/song of the survivors.lyx is from an earlier
> version of Lyx, but
> the lyx2lyx script failed to convert it". Any
> solution? I'm on Lyx
> 1.4.3 FN
> -- 
> Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph
> 0091-832-2409490
> List of Indian e-lists
> http://wikiwikiweb.de/MailingListsInIndia
> 



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