Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-09-21, Påvel Nicklasson wrote:
 Hello again!
 I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
 solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have several
 authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I get
 them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:

 1. Author: Schött
 2. Author: Schück

 In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
 be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
 around, like above.
 Schött is written: {Harald Sch{o}tt} in the .bib file
 Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\{u}}ck} in the .bib file

 I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
 with bibtex.

Indeed. You could try if there is a swedish ... style that solves
this for you, or you can help bibtex, e.g. with the suggestion from 
btxdoc.pdf:

  in the database (*.bib) file:
  
  @PREAMBLE{ \newcommand{\noopsort}[1]{} 
 # \newcommand{\singleletter}[1]{#1}  }

  author = {{\noopsort{Harald Sch~tt}}Harald Sch{\o}tt}
  . . .
  author = {Henrik Sch{\u}ck}

LaTeX will then ignore the \noopsort, but BibTeX will use it for
sorting.

Hej,

Günter

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Påvel Nicklasson]

Hello and Thank you for your replies!
I have tested the solutions. I use a Swedish style, sweplnat, that  
(generally) works well. When I try Günther's solution, Shött disappears  
from the Bibliography. It may be that I am not enough familiar with LyX  
and make some basic mistake.
I have looked into Wolfgang's solution, but I must do some checking up on  
how to install/run Biblatex and Biber first.
I will do more tests and perhaps drop Zotero/LyZ and test JabRef. I also  
think I must learn more LyX. It is truly a fantastic program, but is  
sometimes a bit strange for a newcomer!

Thank you very much!
Hej!
Påvel

Den 2010-09-22 09:12:17 skrev Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de:


On 2010-09-21, Påvel Nicklasson wrote:

Hello again!
I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have  
several
authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I  
get

them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:



1. Author: Schött
2. Author: Schück



In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
around, like above.
Schött is written: {Harald Sch{o}tt} in the .bib file
Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\{u}}ck} in the .bib file



I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
with bibtex.


Indeed. You could try if there is a swedish ... style that solves
this for you, or you can help bibtex, e.g. with the suggestion from
btxdoc.pdf:

  in the database (*.bib) file:
 @PREAMBLE{ \newcommand{\noopsort}[1]{} 
 # \newcommand{\singleletter}[1]{#1}  }

  author = {{\noopsort{Harald Sch~tt}}Harald Sch{\o}tt}
  . . .
  author = {Henrik Sch{\u}ck}

LaTeX will then ignore the \noopsort, but BibTeX will use it for
sorting.

Hej,

Günter

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-09-21, Påvel Nicklasson wrote:
 Hello again!
 I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
 solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have several
 authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I get
 them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:

 1. Author: Schött
 2. Author: Schück

 In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
 be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
 around, like above.
 Schött is written: {Harald Sch{o}tt} in the .bib file
 Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\{u}}ck} in the .bib file

 I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
 with bibtex.

Indeed. You could try if there is a swedish ... style that solves
this for you, or you can help bibtex, e.g. with the suggestion from 
btxdoc.pdf:

  in the database (*.bib) file:
  
  @PREAMBLE{ \newcommand{\noopsort}[1]{} 
 # \newcommand{\singleletter}[1]{#1}  }

  author = {{\noopsort{Harald Sch~tt}}Harald Sch{\o}tt}
  . . .
  author = {Henrik Sch{\u}ck}

LaTeX will then ignore the \noopsort, but BibTeX will use it for
sorting.

Hej,

Günter

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Påvel Nicklasson]

Hello and Thank you for your replies!
I have tested the solutions. I use a Swedish style, sweplnat, that  
(generally) works well. When I try Günther's solution, Shött disappears  
from the Bibliography. It may be that I am not enough familiar with LyX  
and make some basic mistake.
I have looked into Wolfgang's solution, but I must do some checking up on  
how to install/run Biblatex and Biber first.
I will do more tests and perhaps drop Zotero/LyZ and test JabRef. I also  
think I must learn more LyX. It is truly a fantastic program, but is  
sometimes a bit strange for a newcomer!

Thank you very much!
Hej!
Påvel

Den 2010-09-22 09:12:17 skrev Guenter Milde mi...@users.berlios.de:


On 2010-09-21, Påvel Nicklasson wrote:

Hello again!
I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have  
several
authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I  
get

them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:



1. Author: Schött
2. Author: Schück



In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
around, like above.
Schött is written: {Harald Sch{o}tt} in the .bib file
Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\{u}}ck} in the .bib file



I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
with bibtex.


Indeed. You could try if there is a swedish ... style that solves
this for you, or you can help bibtex, e.g. with the suggestion from
btxdoc.pdf:

  in the database (*.bib) file:
 @PREAMBLE{ \newcommand{\noopsort}[1]{} 
 # \newcommand{\singleletter}[1]{#1}  }

  author = {{\noopsort{Harald Sch~tt}}Harald Sch{\o}tt}
  . . .
  author = {Henrik Sch{\u}ck}

LaTeX will then ignore the \noopsort, but BibTeX will use it for
sorting.

Hej,

Günter

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Guenter Milde]

On 2010-09-21, Påvel Nicklasson wrote:
> Hello again!
> I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
> solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have several
> authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I get
> them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:

> 1. Author: Schött
> 2. Author: Schück

> In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
> be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
> around, like above.
> Schött is written: {Harald Sch{"o}tt} in the .bib file
> Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\"{u}}ck} in the .bib file

> I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
> with bibtex.

Indeed. You could try if there is a "swedish ..." style that solves
this for you, or you can help bibtex, e.g. with the suggestion from 
btxdoc.pdf:

  in the database (*.bib) file:
  
  @PREAMBLE{ "\newcommand{\noopsort}[1]{} "
 # "\newcommand{\singleletter}[1]{#1} " }

  author = {{\noopsort{Harald Sch~tt}}Harald Sch{\"o}tt}
  . . .
  author = {Henrik Sch{\"u}ck}

LaTeX will then ignore the \noopsort, but BibTeX will use it for
sorting.

Hej,

Günter

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Påvel Nicklasson]

Hello and Thank you for your replies!
I have tested the solutions. I use a Swedish style, sweplnat, that  
(generally) works well. When I try Günther's solution, Shött disappears  
from the Bibliography. It may be that I am not enough familiar with LyX  
and make some basic mistake.
I have looked into Wolfgang's solution, but I must do some checking up on  
how to install/run Biblatex and Biber first.
I will do more tests and perhaps drop Zotero/LyZ and test JabRef. I also  
think I must learn more LyX. It is truly a fantastic program, but is  
sometimes a bit strange for a newcomer!

Thank you very much!
Hej!
Påvel

Den 2010-09-22 09:12:17 skrev Guenter Milde :


On 2010-09-21, Påvel Nicklasson wrote:

Hello again!
I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have  
several
authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I  
get

them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:



1. Author: Schött
2. Author: Schück



In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
around, like above.
Schött is written: {Harald Sch{"o}tt} in the .bib file
Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\"{u}}ck} in the .bib file



I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
with bibtex.


Indeed. You could try if there is a "swedish ..." style that solves
this for you, or you can help bibtex, e.g. with the suggestion from
btxdoc.pdf:

  in the database (*.bib) file:
 @PREAMBLE{ "\newcommand{\noopsort}[1]{} "
 # "\newcommand{\singleletter}[1]{#1} " }

  author = {{\noopsort{Harald Sch~tt}}Harald Sch{\"o}tt}
  . . .
  author = {Henrik Sch{\"u}ck}

LaTeX will then ignore the \noopsort, but BibTeX will use it for
sorting.

Hej,

Günter

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Tuesday 21 September 2010 18:38:05 schrieb Påvel Nicklasson:
 Hello again!
 I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
 solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have several
 authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I get
 them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:

 1. Author: Schött
 2. Author: Schück

 In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
 be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
 around, like above.
 Schött is written: {Harald Sch{o}tt} in the .bib file
 Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\{u}}ck} in the .bib file

 I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
 with bibtex.
 Sorry to bother with Swedish newbie problems!
 Best Regards
 PÃ¥vel Nicklasson

not sure, but biblatex respectively biber might offer a solution?
Wolfgang

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Tuesday 21 September 2010 18:38:05 schrieb Påvel Nicklasson:
 Hello again!
 I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
 solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have several
 authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I get
 them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:

 1. Author: Schött
 2. Author: Schück

 In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
 be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
 around, like above.
 Schött is written: {Harald Sch{o}tt} in the .bib file
 Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\{u}}ck} in the .bib file

 I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
 with bibtex.
 Sorry to bother with Swedish newbie problems!
 Best Regards
 PÃ¥vel Nicklasson

not sure, but biblatex respectively biber might offer a solution?
Wolfgang

Re: More problems sorting bibtex/Lyx output

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am Tuesday 21 September 2010 18:38:05 schrieb Påvel Nicklasson:
> Hello again!
> I asked earlier about how to handle Swedish letters in lyx/bibtex:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg82909.html. The
> solution works fine. Now I have run into a similar problem. I have several
> authors with different non English characters in their names. How do I get
> them sorted in correct order in the Lyx bibliography? An example is:
>
> 1. Author: Schött
> 2. Author: Schück
>
> In Sweden ö is the last character in the alphabet and Schött should thus
> be sorted after Schück. The output file in Lyx does it the other way
> around, like above.
> Schött is written: {Harald Sch{"o}tt} in the .bib file
> Schück is written: {Henrik Sch{\"{u}}ck} in the .bib file
>
> I have several similar cases. Swedish seems to be a hard language to use
> with bibtex.
> Sorry to bother with Swedish newbie problems!
> Best Regards
> PÃ¥vel Nicklasson

not sure, but biblatex respectively biber might offer a solution?
Wolfgang