Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
Ryan Cross wrote: I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. skeptic_mode Does this actually work with math? /skeptic_mode
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
I haven't tested it, but it can't be any worse than the super long way that he is already trying. -Ryan On 12/24/07, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Cross wrote: I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. skeptic_mode Does this actually work with math? /skeptic_mode
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
Ryan Cross wrote: I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. skeptic_mode Does this actually work with math? /skeptic_mode
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
I haven't tested it, but it can't be any worse than the super long way that he is already trying. -Ryan On 12/24/07, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Cross wrote: I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. skeptic_mode Does this actually work with math? /skeptic_mode
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
Ryan Cross wrote: > I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one > of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the > pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into > an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open > office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable > converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check > the wiki for more details. > Does this actually work with math?
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
I haven't tested it, but it can't be any worse than the super long way that he is already trying. -Ryan On 12/24/07, Neal Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ryan Cross wrote: > > > I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is > one > > of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease > the > > pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it > into > > an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open > > office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable > > converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check > > the wiki for more details. > > > > > Does this actually work with math? > > >
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
Hey Roger, I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. Also, you should consider trying some of the keyboard short cuts to input equations in lyx - most of the latex ones work - since it really helps speed up the equation writing process. I find that since I'm able to use the keyboard to enter about 85% of the equation, and the other 15% I use the math toolbar for some of the more uncommon math characters (or the ones i don't know the keyboard shortcut for), that I can practically write all of my equations and in about 1/3 of the time it would take me to write it in equation editor. Plus, all my equations look so much better when printed. My only point here, is that if you need to edit your equations anyways it might be relatively easy to just rewrite any equations you need in lyx and then you'll end up with a fully working lyx document - plus its something you can put under revision control (like subversion). Good luck, Ryan On 12/23/07, Roger A. Wehage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I.T. #1: Using MathType with MS Word sucks. Big Time! I.T. #2: Our project at work is in big trouble. If we don't get our computer program working by the middle of February 2008, all funding will be cut and years of effort will go down the drain. I.T. #3: The theory for this computer program lies in a 48 page MS Word document (created in Microsoft Office 2000 on a PC) containing many hundreds of MathType expressions. It must be revised by January 2, 2008, so work can begin on revising the computer program. I.T. #4: The company is closed down between December 22, 2007 and January 1, 2008, so I must revise the document at home on my own time. :o( I.T. #5: I don't own a PC. I've never owned a PC. And I don't have a PC laptop that I can bring home from work. So I loaded the MS Word document onto my flash memory stick and transferred it to my MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, running OS X 10.4.11. I.T. #6: MS Word 2004, running on my MacBook Pro, reliably crashes (every time) when I attempt to convert the MathType expressions in this file from PC to Mac. I.T. #7: While contemplating what to do about this, I again play around with LyX, practicing making equations in its editor. And what I've learned so far is that it's almost as easy to create expressions in LyX's editor as it is in MathType. :o) I.T. #8: Earlier this week, I discovered a fantastic program called GrindEQ http://www.grindeq.com which unfortunately runs only on PCs, that will convert my many MS Word documents (including MathType expressions) to LaTeX, which can then be imported directly into LyX. Yes! Goodbye MS Word! I.T. #9: I don't have time right now to convert the 48 page MS Word document to LaTex and clean it up, and I still have some learning and practice before I can reliably use LyX to create and edit my documents. But I was able to convert the 48 page MS Word document to LaTex, and the results in LyX look very encouraging! I.T. #10: I found an inconvenient workaround to convert the 48 page MS Word document created on a PC to an MS Word document that can be viewed and edited in MS Word 2004 running on my MacBook Pro. It isn't pretty and requires a considerable amount of prayer and alcoholic spirits. :o( But it can be done. I.T. #11: Before doing anything, I make a backup copy of the file. More on that later. I.T. #12: The file must then be converted in little pieces. It seems that MS Word 2004 can't handle more than about 200 expressions at a time. I.T. #13: I use the mouse to select that portion of the document I want to convert. But not too much, or I'll violate the 200 expression rule and MS Word will crash and I'll have to start all over again. Then I instruct MathType to convert the selected segment of the document and wait several minutes while meaningless garbage floats across the screen. This is a good time to have another beer and go play around with LyX. And for some, prayer might help, but not for me since I'm an Atheist. I.T. #14: If I'm lucky and MS Word hasn't crashed and the funny stuff has stopped flashing across the screen, I can (I'd better) save the file or I'll risk losing all the changes I've made so far. Don't laugh, damn it, it happened more than once. :o( I.T. #15: And it keeps getting better. (Time for another beer or maybe something stronger.) After I've saved the file I must then quit out of MS Word and relaunch it before converting the next segment of the file. If I don't, then MS Word will crash and quit for me, and I'll have
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
Hey Roger, I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. Also, you should consider trying some of the keyboard short cuts to input equations in lyx - most of the latex ones work - since it really helps speed up the equation writing process. I find that since I'm able to use the keyboard to enter about 85% of the equation, and the other 15% I use the math toolbar for some of the more uncommon math characters (or the ones i don't know the keyboard shortcut for), that I can practically write all of my equations and in about 1/3 of the time it would take me to write it in equation editor. Plus, all my equations look so much better when printed. My only point here, is that if you need to edit your equations anyways it might be relatively easy to just rewrite any equations you need in lyx and then you'll end up with a fully working lyx document - plus its something you can put under revision control (like subversion). Good luck, Ryan On 12/23/07, Roger A. Wehage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I.T. #1: Using MathType with MS Word sucks. Big Time! I.T. #2: Our project at work is in big trouble. If we don't get our computer program working by the middle of February 2008, all funding will be cut and years of effort will go down the drain. I.T. #3: The theory for this computer program lies in a 48 page MS Word document (created in Microsoft Office 2000 on a PC) containing many hundreds of MathType expressions. It must be revised by January 2, 2008, so work can begin on revising the computer program. I.T. #4: The company is closed down between December 22, 2007 and January 1, 2008, so I must revise the document at home on my own time. :o( I.T. #5: I don't own a PC. I've never owned a PC. And I don't have a PC laptop that I can bring home from work. So I loaded the MS Word document onto my flash memory stick and transferred it to my MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, running OS X 10.4.11. I.T. #6: MS Word 2004, running on my MacBook Pro, reliably crashes (every time) when I attempt to convert the MathType expressions in this file from PC to Mac. I.T. #7: While contemplating what to do about this, I again play around with LyX, practicing making equations in its editor. And what I've learned so far is that it's almost as easy to create expressions in LyX's editor as it is in MathType. :o) I.T. #8: Earlier this week, I discovered a fantastic program called GrindEQ http://www.grindeq.com which unfortunately runs only on PCs, that will convert my many MS Word documents (including MathType expressions) to LaTeX, which can then be imported directly into LyX. Yes! Goodbye MS Word! I.T. #9: I don't have time right now to convert the 48 page MS Word document to LaTex and clean it up, and I still have some learning and practice before I can reliably use LyX to create and edit my documents. But I was able to convert the 48 page MS Word document to LaTex, and the results in LyX look very encouraging! I.T. #10: I found an inconvenient workaround to convert the 48 page MS Word document created on a PC to an MS Word document that can be viewed and edited in MS Word 2004 running on my MacBook Pro. It isn't pretty and requires a considerable amount of prayer and alcoholic spirits. :o( But it can be done. I.T. #11: Before doing anything, I make a backup copy of the file. More on that later. I.T. #12: The file must then be converted in little pieces. It seems that MS Word 2004 can't handle more than about 200 expressions at a time. I.T. #13: I use the mouse to select that portion of the document I want to convert. But not too much, or I'll violate the 200 expression rule and MS Word will crash and I'll have to start all over again. Then I instruct MathType to convert the selected segment of the document and wait several minutes while meaningless garbage floats across the screen. This is a good time to have another beer and go play around with LyX. And for some, prayer might help, but not for me since I'm an Atheist. I.T. #14: If I'm lucky and MS Word hasn't crashed and the funny stuff has stopped flashing across the screen, I can (I'd better) save the file or I'll risk losing all the changes I've made so far. Don't laugh, damn it, it happened more than once. :o( I.T. #15: And it keeps getting better. (Time for another beer or maybe something stronger.) After I've saved the file I must then quit out of MS Word and relaunch it before converting the next segment of the file. If I don't, then MS Word will crash and quit for me, and I'll have
Re: Some Inconvenient Truths...
Hey Roger, I completely sypathize with you and using equations in my documents is one of the main reason I use latex. Just a thought though to perhaps ease the pain of transition. How about taking your ms word file, converting it into an open office file and then from there using the conversion from open office (ODF) to lyx/latex. I think there is also a fairly reliable converter between lyx/odt to go back and forth if you need to, but check the wiki for more details. Also, you should consider trying some of the keyboard short cuts to input equations in lyx - most of the latex ones work - since it really helps speed up the equation writing process. I find that since I'm able to use the keyboard to enter about 85% of the equation, and the other 15% I use the math toolbar for some of the more uncommon math characters (or the ones i don't know the keyboard shortcut for), that I can practically write all of my equations and in about 1/3 of the time it would take me to write it in equation editor. Plus, all my equations look so much better when printed. My only point here, is that if you need to edit your equations anyways it might be relatively easy to just rewrite any equations you need in lyx and then you'll end up with a fully working lyx document - plus its something you can put under revision control (like subversion). Good luck, Ryan On 12/23/07, Roger A. Wehage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I.T. #1: Using MathType with MS Word sucks. Big Time! > I.T. #2: Our project at work is in big trouble. If we don't get our > computer program working by the middle of February 2008, all funding will be > cut and years of effort will go down the drain. > > I.T. #3: The theory for this computer program lies in a 48 page MS Word > document (created in Microsoft Office 2000 on a PC) containing many hundreds > of MathType expressions. It must be revised by January 2, 2008, so work can > begin on revising the computer program. > > I.T. #4: The company is closed down between December 22, 2007 and January > 1, 2008, so I must revise the document at home on my own time. :o( > > I.T. #5: I don't own a PC. I've never owned a PC. And I don't have a PC > laptop that I can bring home from work. So I loaded the MS Word document > onto my flash memory stick and transferred it to my MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz > Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM, running OS X 10.4.11. > > I.T. #6: MS Word 2004, running on my MacBook Pro, reliably crashes (every > time) when I attempt to convert the MathType expressions in this file from > PC to Mac. > > I.T. #7: While contemplating what to do about this, I again play around > with LyX, practicing making equations in its editor. And what I've learned > so far is that it's almost as easy to create expressions in LyX's editor as > it is in MathType. :o) > > I.T. #8: Earlier this week, I discovered a fantastic program called > GrindEQ http://www.grindeq.com which unfortunately runs only on PCs, that > will convert my many MS Word documents (including MathType expressions) to > LaTeX, which can then be imported directly into LyX. Yes! Goodbye MS Word! > > I.T. #9: I don't have time right now to convert the 48 page MS Word > document to LaTex and clean it up, and I still have some learning and > practice before I can reliably use LyX to create and edit my documents. But > I was able to convert the 48 page MS Word document to LaTex, and the results > in LyX look very encouraging! > > I.T. #10: I found an inconvenient workaround to convert the 48 page MS > Word document created on a PC to an MS Word document that can be viewed and > edited in MS Word 2004 running on my MacBook Pro. It isn't pretty and > requires a considerable amount of prayer and alcoholic spirits. :o( But it > can be done. > > I.T. #11: Before doing anything, I make a backup copy of the file. More on > that later. > > I.T. #12: The file must then be converted in little pieces. It seems that > MS Word 2004 can't handle more than about 200 expressions at a time. > > I.T. #13: I use the mouse to select that portion of the document I want to > convert. But not too much, or I'll violate the 200 expression rule and MS > Word will crash and I'll have to start all over again. Then I instruct > MathType to convert the selected segment of the document and wait several > minutes while meaningless garbage floats across the screen. This is a good > time to have another beer and go play around with LyX. And for some, prayer > might help, but not for me since I'm an Atheist. > > I.T. #14: If I'm lucky and MS Word hasn't crashed and the funny stuff has > stopped flashing across the screen, I can (I'd better) save the file or I'll > risk losing all the changes I've made so far. Don't laugh, damn it, it > happened more than once. :o( > > I.T. #15: And it keeps getting better. (Time for another beer or maybe > something stronger.) After I've saved the file I must then quit out of MS > Word and relaunch it before converting the next segment of the
