Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens Correcting myself: in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox. Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT work properly if I comment out mathpazo! Jens \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{mathpazo} \begin{document} With or without displaystyle: $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ \tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny. \normalsize Back to normal \fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo. \end{document} Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode. Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens Correcting myself: in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox. Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT work properly if I comment out mathpazo! Jens \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{mathpazo} \begin{document} With or without displaystyle: $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ \tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny. \normalsize Back to normal \fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo. \end{document} Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode. Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer >>> >> presentation, and >>> >> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but >>> I am >>> >> actually >>> >> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table >>> does >>> >> not get >>> >> enough small. Is there some solution? >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. >>> >> > >>> >> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font >>> size >>> >> > controls >>> >> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then >>> tiny >>> >> would >>> >> > decrease also. >>> >> >>> >> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in >>> text >>> >> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is >>> >> desired: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> \documentclass[12pt]{article} >>> >> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax >>> >> \supertinyfont} >>> >> >>> >> \begin{document} >>> >> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye >>> >> \end{document} >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the >>> >> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the >>> >> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you >>> can >>> >> make it as small as you want! >>> > >>> > Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should >>> > replace cmr10 by what? >>> >>> I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. >>> Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... >> >> None works. And I have >> >> $ locate mathpazo >> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo >> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb >> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb >> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb >> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb >> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb >> /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty >> $ >> >> Paul >> > > Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this > in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried > something with mathpazo that works in equations: > > $$ > \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha > $$ > > produces a super tiny sine of alpha. > > Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's > wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this > alternative solution is what you really want. > > Jens > > > Correcting myself: in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox. Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT work properly if I comment out mathpazo! Jens \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{mathpazo} \begin{document} With or without displaystyle: $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ \tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny. \normalsize Back to normal \fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo. \end{document} Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode. Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Thanks in advance, Paul Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Regards, Bob Lounsbury
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Bob
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote: On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Bob Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? Paul I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote: On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens Correcting myself: in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox. Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT work properly if I comment out mathpazo! Jens \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{mathpazo} \begin{document} With or without displaystyle: $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ \tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny. \normalsize Back to normal \fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo. \end{document}
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Thanks in advance, Paul Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Regards, Bob Lounsbury
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Bob
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote: On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Bob Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? Paul I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote: On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens Correcting myself: in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox. Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT work properly if I comment out mathpazo! Jens \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{mathpazo} \begin{document} With or without displaystyle: $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ \tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny. \normalsize Back to normal \fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo. \end{document}
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All > > I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and > I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually > needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get > enough small. Is there some solution? > > Thanks in advance, > > Paul Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Regards, Bob Lounsbury
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and > I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually > needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get > enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and >>> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually >>> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get >>> enough small. Is there some solution? >> >> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >> >> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html > > Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Bob
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote: On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would decrease also. Bob Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? >>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. > > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size > controls > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would > decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get enough small. Is there some solution? >>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. > > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size > controls > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would > decrease also. Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired: \documentclass[12pt]{article} \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax \supertinyfont} \begin{document} Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye \end{document} Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can make it as small as you want! Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should replace cmr10 by what? Paul I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer >> presentation, and >> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am >> actually >> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does >> not get >> enough small. Is there some solution? >> >>> >> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >> >>> >> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html >> >> >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. >> > >> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size >> > controls >> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny >> would >> > decrease also. >> >> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text >> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is >> desired: >> >> >> \documentclass[12pt]{article} >> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax >> \supertinyfont} >> >> \begin{document} >> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye >> \end{document} >> >> >> >> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the >> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the >> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can >> make it as small as you want! > > Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should > replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer >> presentation, and >> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am >> actually >> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does >> not get >> enough small. Is there some solution? >> >>> >> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >> >>> >> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html >> >> >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. >> > >> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size >> > controls >> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny >> would >> > decrease also. >> >> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text >> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is >> desired: >> >> >> \documentclass[12pt]{article} >> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax >> \supertinyfont} >> >> \begin{document} >> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye >> \end{document} >> >> >> >> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the >> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the >> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can >> make it as small as you want! > > Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should > replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens
Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters
On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote: On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote: On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer >> presentation, and >> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am >> actually >> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does >> not get >> enough small. Is there some solution? >> >>> >> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes. >> >>> >> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html >> >> >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny. >> > >> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size >> > controls >> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny >> would >> > decrease also. >> >> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text >> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is >> desired: >> >> >> \documentclass[12pt]{article} >> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax >> \supertinyfont} >> >> \begin{document} >> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye >> \end{document} >> >> >> >> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the >> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the >> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can >> make it as small as you want! > > Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should > replace cmr10 by what? I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10. Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong... None works. And I have $ locate mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty $ Paul Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried something with mathpazo that works in equations: $$ \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha $$ produces a super tiny sine of alpha. Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative solution is what you really want. Jens Correcting myself: in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox. Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT work properly if I comment out mathpazo! Jens \documentclass[12pt]{article} \usepackage{mathpazo} \begin{document} With or without displaystyle: $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ $$ \mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} {\frac{1}{3}}$} $$ \tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny. \normalsize Back to normal \fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo. \end{document}