Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
   presentation, and
   I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but
 I am
   actually
   needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table
 does
   not get
   enough small. Is there some solution?
  
   Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
  
   http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
  
   Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
  
   I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font
 size
   controls
   how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then
 tiny
  would
   decrease also.
 
  Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in
 text
  mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
  desired:
 
 
  \documentclass[12pt]{article}
  \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
  \supertinyfont}
 
  \begin{document}
  Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
  \end{document}
 
 
 
  Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
  \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
  supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you
 can
  make it as small as you want!
 
  Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
  replace cmr10 by what?

 I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
 Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...

 None works. And I have

 $ locate mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
 $

 Paul


 Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this
 in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried
 something with mathpazo that works in equations:

 $$
 \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
 $$

 produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

 Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's
 wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this
 alternative solution is what you really want.

 Jens




Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!
Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.

\end{document}


Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny
one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
   presentation, and
   I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but
 I am
   actually
   needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table
 does
   not get
   enough small. Is there some solution?
  
   Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
  
   http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
  
   Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
  
   I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font
 size
   controls
   how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then
 tiny
  would
   decrease also.
 
  Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in
 text
  mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
  desired:
 
 
  \documentclass[12pt]{article}
  \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
  \supertinyfont}
 
  \begin{document}
  Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
  \end{document}
 
 
 
  Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
  \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
  supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you
 can
  make it as small as you want!
 
  Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
  replace cmr10 by what?

 I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
 Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...

 None works. And I have

 $ locate mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
 $

 Paul


 Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this
 in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried
 something with mathpazo that works in equations:

 $$
 \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
 $$

 produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

 Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's
 wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this
 alternative solution is what you really want.

 Jens




Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!
Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.

\end{document}


Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny
one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> >>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>> >>  presentation, and
>>> >>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but
>>> I am
>>> >>  actually
>>> >>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table
>>> does
>>> >>  not get
>>> >>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font
>>> size
>>> >> > controls
>>> >> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then
>>> tiny
>>> >> would
>>> >> > decrease also.
>>> >>
>>> >> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in
>>> text
>>> >> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>>> >> desired:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>>> >> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>>> >> \supertinyfont}
>>> >>
>>> >> \begin{document}
>>> >> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>>> >> \end{document}
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>>> >> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>>> >> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you
>>> can
>>> >> make it as small as you want!
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
>>> > replace cmr10 by what?
>>>
>>> I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
>>> Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...
>>
>> None works. And I have
>>
>> $ locate mathpazo
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
>> $
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this
> in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried
> something with mathpazo that works in equations:
>
> $$
> \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
> $$
>
> produces a super tiny sine of alpha.
>
> Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's
> wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this
> alternative solution is what you really want.
>
> Jens
>
>
>

Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!
Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.

\end{document}


Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny
one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear All
 
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

Regards,
Bob Lounsbury




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls
how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer  
presentation, and
I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am  
actually
needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does  
not get

enough small. Is there some solution?


Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.


I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size  
controls

how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob





Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text  
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax  
\supertinyfont}


\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the  
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the  
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can  
make it as small as you want!


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:


\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny  
would

 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is  
desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul




I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.  
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in  
text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong  
on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative  
solution is what you really want.


Jens





Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote:



On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but  
I am

  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then  
tiny

 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in  
text

 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you  
can

 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this  
in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's  
wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this  
alternative solution is what you really want.


Jens





Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT  
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!

Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the  
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.


\end{document}






Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear All
 
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

Regards,
Bob Lounsbury




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls
how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer  
presentation, and
I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am  
actually
needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does  
not get

enough small. Is there some solution?


Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.


I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size  
controls

how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob





Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text  
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax  
\supertinyfont}


\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the  
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the  
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can  
make it as small as you want!


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:


\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny  
would

 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is  
desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul




I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.  
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in  
text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong  
on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative  
solution is what you really want.


Jens





Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote:



On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but  
I am

  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then  
tiny

 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in  
text

 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you  
can

 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this  
in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's  
wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this  
alternative solution is what you really want.


Jens





Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT  
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!

Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the  
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.


\end{document}






Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear All
> 
> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
> enough small. Is there some solution?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Paul

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

Regards,
Bob Lounsbury




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
> enough small. Is there some solution?

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
>>> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
>>> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
>>> enough small. Is there some solution?
>> 
>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> 
>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
> 
> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls
how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer  
presentation, and
I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am  
actually
needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does  
not get

enough small. Is there some solution?


Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.


I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size  
controls

how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob





Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text  
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax  
\supertinyfont}


\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the  
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the  
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can  
make it as small as you want!


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
>>>
>>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>>>
>>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>>
>> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>
> I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
> controls
> how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
> decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:


\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
>>>
>>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>>>
>>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>>
>> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>
> I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
> controls
> how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny  
would

> decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is  
desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul




I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.  
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>  presentation, and
>>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
>>  actually
>>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
>>  not get
>>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
>> > controls
>> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
>> would
>> > decrease also.
>>
>> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
>> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>> desired:
>>
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>> \supertinyfont}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>> \end{document}
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
>> make it as small as you want!
>
> Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
> replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>  presentation, and
>>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
>>  actually
>>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

>>  not get
>>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

>> > controls
>> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
>> would
>> > decrease also.
>>
>> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
>> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>> desired:
>>
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>> \supertinyfont}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>> \end{document}
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
>> make it as small as you want!
>
> Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
> replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in  
text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong  
on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative  
solution is what you really want.


Jens





Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote:



On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>  presentation, and
>>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but  
I am

>>  actually
>>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

>>  not get
>>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

>> > controls
>> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then  
tiny

>> would
>> > decrease also.
>>
>> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in  
text

>> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>> desired:
>>
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>> \supertinyfont}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>> \end{document}
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you  
can

>> make it as small as you want!
>
> Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
> replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this  
in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's  
wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this  
alternative solution is what you really want.


Jens





Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT  
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!

Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the  
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.


\end{document}