Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Dear Iwan,

2009/6/17 Barankay, Iwan baran...@wharton.upenn.edu

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:


 3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx
 or tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to
 this general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font
 in lyx - but may be I am too optimistic?
 Thanks,

 Iwan


You are not too optimistic. Really, it is easy. I am not a LaTeX guru and I
didn't install any additional font, as I said. But  this is not required
because it is very very easy to use different fonts.
You just have to add a few lines in the preamble of your document (in the
Document menu). Than in Characters you set the family: for example, if you
use utopia choose Family: Roman;  and then Roman: Predefined; Sans Serif:
Predefined. And that's all.
Here it is an example of the three lines I put at the beginning of the
preamble of a LyX document when I want to use utopia:
\usepackage{utopia}
\usepackage{berasans}
\renewcommand{\ttdefault}{lmtt}

Pierfranco

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Dear Iwan,

2009/6/17 Barankay, Iwan baran...@wharton.upenn.edu

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:


 3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx
 or tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to
 this general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font
 in lyx - but may be I am too optimistic?
 Thanks,

 Iwan


You are not too optimistic. Really, it is easy. I am not a LaTeX guru and I
didn't install any additional font, as I said. But  this is not required
because it is very very easy to use different fonts.
You just have to add a few lines in the preamble of your document (in the
Document menu). Than in Characters you set the family: for example, if you
use utopia choose Family: Roman;  and then Roman: Predefined; Sans Serif:
Predefined. And that's all.
Here it is an example of the three lines I put at the beginning of the
preamble of a LyX document when I want to use utopia:
\usepackage{utopia}
\usepackage{berasans}
\renewcommand{\ttdefault}{lmtt}

Pierfranco

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Dear Iwan,

2009/6/17 Barankay, Iwan 

> Barankay, Iwan wrote:
>
>
> 3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx
> or tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to
> this general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font
> in lyx - but may be I am too optimistic?
> Thanks,
>
> Iwan


You are not too optimistic. Really, it is easy. I am not a LaTeX guru and I
didn't install any additional font, as I said. But  this is not required
because it is very very easy to use different fonts.
You just have to add a few lines in the preamble of your document (in the
Document menu). Than in Characters you set the family: for example, if you
use utopia choose Family: Roman;  and then Roman: Predefined; Sans Serif:
Predefined. And that's all.
Here it is an example of the three lines I put at the beginning of the
preamble of a LyX document when I want to use utopia:
\usepackage{utopia}
\usepackage{berasans}
\renewcommand{\ttdefault}{lmtt}

Pierfranco

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Guenter Mildemi...@users.berlios.de wrote:
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

 Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

 Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
 that suits your needs.

 http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

If you are on Linux, then use Okular as the pdf viewer. Latin Modern
looks great on Okular.

Paul

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Olivier Ripoll]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan



Hi,

You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because 
it's also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings 
('OS' in the widest meaning):
On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp 
on screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp 
with Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display 
modes in Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And 
there are yet other alternatives...
I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries 
(poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.


Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal 
answer. Good luck in your quest.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi all,

speaking of fonts, I could add my experience with LaTeX (LyX) using MAC OS X
and mostly Preview, that is the default PDF viewer on MAC computers.
Actually I have never used lmodern because it didn't look well on the
screen, as it has been said. After several trials I have found out that
these fonts were best both for screen reading and for printing. In the Roman
family: Charter, Fourier, Utopia. For the sans serif family I use berasans.
All these fonts are available through a standard LaTeX distribution, or at
least with a MAC OS X LaTeX distribution, so you don't need to install any
additional font.

best wishes

Pierfranco




2009/6/17 Olivier Ripoll durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 Hi,
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default
 font. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It
 prints fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the
 mailing list but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the
 preamble does not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but
 I would really like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like
 it.
 Any suggestions?

 Thanks,

 Iwan


 Hi,

 You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because it's
 also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings ('OS' in
 the widest meaning):
 On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp on
 screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp with
 Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display modes in
 Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And there are yet
 other alternatives...
 I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries
 (poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.

 Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal
 answer. Good luck in your quest.

 Best regards,

 Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:
 Hi,

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=

 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=

  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=

 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=

  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=

 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.

 Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan


Hi,

Thanks for the informative suggestions. Let me may be clarify the issue:


1)  I wanted a font that looks sharp on screen and will do so on many people's 
screens: I want to post my pdf-document onto my webpage and want it to look 
good on many people's screen over which I don't have control. This seems to be 
a tall order but when I look at other people's documents, who may be much more 
proficient in Tex than I am, then their pdf documents, using e.g. fonts like 
the dcr10 look so sharp. Latin Modern, however, looks so thin and not sharp on 
screen.

2)  I wanted to keep the Latin Modern look but may be that may not be possible. 
I agree that Utopia or Times looks very sharp on screen.

3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx or 
tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to this 
general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font in lyx - 
but may be I am too optimistic?
Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Guenter Mildemi...@users.berlios.de wrote:
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

 Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

 Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
 that suits your needs.

 http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

If you are on Linux, then use Okular as the pdf viewer. Latin Modern
looks great on Okular.

Paul

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Olivier Ripoll]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan



Hi,

You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because 
it's also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings 
('OS' in the widest meaning):
On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp 
on screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp 
with Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display 
modes in Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And 
there are yet other alternatives...
I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries 
(poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.


Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal 
answer. Good luck in your quest.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi all,

speaking of fonts, I could add my experience with LaTeX (LyX) using MAC OS X
and mostly Preview, that is the default PDF viewer on MAC computers.
Actually I have never used lmodern because it didn't look well on the
screen, as it has been said. After several trials I have found out that
these fonts were best both for screen reading and for printing. In the Roman
family: Charter, Fourier, Utopia. For the sans serif family I use berasans.
All these fonts are available through a standard LaTeX distribution, or at
least with a MAC OS X LaTeX distribution, so you don't need to install any
additional font.

best wishes

Pierfranco




2009/6/17 Olivier Ripoll durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 Hi,
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default
 font. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It
 prints fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the
 mailing list but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the
 preamble does not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but
 I would really like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like
 it.
 Any suggestions?

 Thanks,

 Iwan


 Hi,

 You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because it's
 also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings ('OS' in
 the widest meaning):
 On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp on
 screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp with
 Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display modes in
 Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And there are yet
 other alternatives...
 I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries
 (poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.

 Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal
 answer. Good luck in your quest.

 Best regards,

 Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:
 Hi,

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=

 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=

  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=

 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=

  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=

 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.

 Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan


Hi,

Thanks for the informative suggestions. Let me may be clarify the issue:


1)  I wanted a font that looks sharp on screen and will do so on many people's 
screens: I want to post my pdf-document onto my webpage and want it to look 
good on many people's screen over which I don't have control. This seems to be 
a tall order but when I look at other people's documents, who may be much more 
proficient in Tex than I am, then their pdf documents, using e.g. fonts like 
the dcr10 look so sharp. Latin Modern, however, looks so thin and not sharp on 
screen.

2)  I wanted to keep the Latin Modern look but may be that may not be possible. 
I agree that Utopia or Times looks very sharp on screen.

3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx or 
tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to this 
general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font in lyx - 
but may be I am too optimistic?
Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
>> nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
>>  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
>> ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
>>  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
>> ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Latin Modern is not "screen optimized" but designed for print.
>
> Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
> that suits your needs.
>
> http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

If you are on Linux, then use Okular as the pdf viewer. Latin Modern
looks great on Okular.

Paul

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Olivier Ripoll]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan



Hi,

You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because 
it's also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings 
('OS' in the widest meaning):
On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp 
on screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp 
with Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display 
modes in Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And 
there are yet other alternatives...
I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries 
(poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.


Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal 
answer. Good luck in your quest.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi all,

speaking of fonts, I could add my experience with LaTeX (LyX) using MAC OS X
and mostly Preview, that is the default PDF viewer on MAC computers.
Actually I have never used lmodern because it didn't look well on the
screen, as it has been said. After several trials I have found out that
these fonts were best both for screen reading and for printing. In the Roman
family: Charter, Fourier, Utopia. For the sans serif family I use berasans.
All these fonts are available through a standard LaTeX distribution, or at
least with a MAC OS X LaTeX distribution, so you don't need to install any
additional font.

best wishes

Pierfranco




2009/6/17 Olivier Ripoll 

> Barankay, Iwan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default
>> font. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It
>> prints fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the
>> mailing list but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the
>> preamble does not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but
>> I would really like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like
>> it.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Iwan
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because it's
> also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings ('OS' in
> the widest meaning):
> On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp on
> screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp with
> Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display modes in
> Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And there are yet
> other alternatives...
> I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries
> (poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.
>
> Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal
> answer. Good luck in your quest.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Olivier
>
>

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:
>> Hi,

>> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=

>> nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=

>>  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=

>> ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=

>>  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=

>> ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.

>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks,

>>Iwan


Hi,

Thanks for the informative suggestions. Let me may be clarify the issue:


1)  I wanted a font that looks sharp on screen and will do so on many people's 
screens: I want to post my pdf-document onto my webpage and want it to look 
good on many people's screen over which I don't have control. This seems to be 
a tall order but when I look at other people's documents, who may be much more 
proficient in Tex than I am, then their pdf documents, using e.g. fonts like 
the dcr10 look so sharp. Latin Modern, however, looks so thin and not sharp on 
screen.

2)  I wanted to keep the Latin Modern look but may be that may not be possible. 
I agree that Utopia or Times looks very sharp on screen.

3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx or 
tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to this 
general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font in lyx - 
but may be I am too optimistic?
Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-06-17, Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
that suits your needs.

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

Günter

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-06-17, Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
that suits your needs.

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

Günter

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-06-17, Barankay, Iwan wrote:

> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
> nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
>  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
> ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
>  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
> ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
> Any suggestions?

Latin Modern is not "screen optimized" but designed for print.

Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
that suits your needs.

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

Günter