subject:"Re\: lyx on windows \(and printing notes\)"


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:

shrug
You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.
/shrug


There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe. It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies. The 
current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and 
to work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely 
remove programs via Windows Installed Applications list.


Lots and lots of stuff can be installed by a local user. It's more effort 
on the part of the installer writer, that's all.


Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Angus Leeming wrote:

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. 
If you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once 
again, Uwe.


;-) We aren't fundamentalists!


It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl. And what if other installers will 
need admin privileges too in future releases?


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

it mainly depends on which registry the install is trying to write to.

- in many cases you can install software to your home directory without any
admin privileges because it uses the user registry and not the main
registry.
- sometimes it asks whether it should be installed for everyone (main
registry) or just the current user (user registry).
- sometimes it needs to use the main registry for legitimate reasons (need
low level access to drivers etc) or only bothers with the main registry and
then you can't do anything without admin privileges.

i have to agree with angus, there's no legitimate need for a word processor
to require admin level registry access. it's simply a user-level app...

thx angus for letting regular users use your installer ;)

mamato

On 11/28/05, Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/

No it doesn't. I regularly install at
J:\Program Files\LyX
without problems. Installing to
C:\Program Files
on WinXP certainly *does* require admin privileges.

i just tried again running
LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exehttp://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exe
and
before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i need
administrator privileges.

Admin privileges have to do with the operating system.
Do you own the laptop? Then you should have admin rights.

If you don't own the computer, then the rights are those
given to you by the network administrator of the network.
Ordinary users have few rights. If you own the laptop then
you should login as a user with admin rights or create such
an account. But you need the admin password to do that.

The net admin can prevent you from installing Python2.4
and allow winzip etc or allow both or prevent all, including
certain websites, using email etc.etc. Also the complete
install still accesses the internet which is why I suggested a cd.
For instance, a public library can completely erase any change
made by any user, when the next user logs in.

It is not the LyX installer. Other programs, determined by
the network admin, can also have the admin rights stipulation
applied to them by the network admin. A beginning course
in Windows covers this type of stuff. If you have an XP home
computer, you can usually install LyX because the default
for home computers is close to full rights. The Operating system
is generating the error message in your situation, not the LyX
installer. On a network, the admin dictates the extent of your rights.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl.


* LyX 1.4 won't need Perl.
* I see heaps of complaints to the Python devs about Python 2.4 requiring 
admin priviliges. Python 2.3 and below don't.

* MSYS doesn't need admin priviliges.
* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.
* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


It's perfectly reasonable to tell your user that some parts of the 
installation procedure need admin rights, for reasons outside of your 
control. If the installer is run by a non-admin then restrict what gets 
installed or enable the installer to upgrade itself to admin priviliges for 
those bits (presumably requires a password dialog).


And what if other installers will

need admin privileges too in future releases?


That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.

Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Angus Leeming wrote:


* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.


I never said this. But ImageMagick is of course required to run LyX. A 
wordprocessor is useless when no images can be processed.


* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


Hä? Run a program is not just starting it. If I run LyX I want to be 
able to get a result. This is the reason why I build the new installer!



And what if other installers will
need admin privileges too in future releases?


That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.


No it is my problem because my installer uses them! Angus, with all 
respect, have you ever tested my installer or looked in its code?

Please do so and you will probably understand my decision.
I don't say that admin privileges are definetively needed but for the 
moment I want to have a stable installer before working on this.
(Currently I have the problem that the Postscript delegation of the 
latest ImageMagick still fails and that the graphics conversion don't 
work when TeXLive is used.)


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-29 Thread Herbert Voss


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:


* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.



I never said this. But ImageMagick is of course required to run LyX. A 
wordprocessor is useless when no images can be processed.


there are a lot of other tools ...

* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
try to run LyX ... ;-)

(Currently I have the problem that the Postscript delegation of the 
latest ImageMagick still fails and that the graphics conversion don't 
work when TeXLive is used.)


ImagaMagick _always_ uses ghostscript when converting ps/eps/pdf files

Herbert

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


  admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.
 Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
 try to run LyX ... ;-)



being able to run lyx without latex is IMHO a good and useful thing!

i almost decided to go with that solution on my laptop from work because
latex was so heavy and i wasn't sure it would install without admin
privileges.

running lyx without latex would have allowed me to write my thesis anywhere
using the laptop. i'm in no hurry to print it and when i do need to print it
i can always latex it from my home computer or remotely over the net...

  mamato

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-29 Thread David L. Johnson

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:24:39 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.
  Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
  try to run LyX ... ;-)
 
 
 
 being able to run lyx without latex is IMHO a good and useful thing!

I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find being able to
install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX is a good option.  On my
Zaurus, there is not only not enough room for TeX, there is no direct printer
access, so just being able to edit documents, then move them to another
computer to print, is fine.  IMO there should be the option of using LyX
without TeX.

-- 

David L. Johnson

   __o   | Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and
 _`\(,_  | Excellence.  
(_)/ (_) |

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

- Original Message - 
From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:

shrug
You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.
/shrug

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.

I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe. It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies. The 
current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.

A limited Win XP user can install all the helper apps. It doesn't make
sense for one installer to block LyX because of Admin rights; one can
just use the other installer. Suppose a parent has to take a six-week
business trip and wants to let his teenager install programs, but just not
eliminate the parent's programs. Why should the LyX installer eliminate
that option. On a network, the right to allow program installs or not
belongs to the sys/net admin policy adminstration, not a developer.
Because frequently, you have to ask a sysadmin to install a program
does not mean that _must_ be a rule enforced by a programmer.
The installer working this way is also not aligned with open source ideals.

But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and to 
work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely remove 
programs via Windows Installed Applications list.

Lots and lots of stuff can be installed by a local user. It's more effort 
on the part of the installer writer, that's all.

I think eliminating the Administrator group check and mentioning
in the Readme that Admin rights may be required is enough for LyX
will work as things are now without any extra effort. I could use
Add/Remove programs with LyX as a limited user; besides it says
from the Windows XP Program Files/ User Accounts :

Pick an Account Type
_   _
|_| Computer administrator  |_| Limited

With a limited account, you can:

*Change or remove your password
*Change your picture, theme, and other desktop settings
*View Files you created
*View Files in the Shared Documents Folder

Users with limited accounts cannot always install programs.

Depending on the program, a user might need administrator
privileges to install it.
Also, programs designed prior to Windows VP or Windows 2000
might not work properly with limited accounts. For best results,
choose programs bearing the Designed For Windows VP logo, or,
to run older programs, choose the
computer administrator account type.

SH: That seems like enough warning to me. Why should LyX require 
administrator privileges when MikTeX doesn't?!

Angus

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 Hä? Run a program is not just starting it. If I run LyX I want to be
 able to get a result.

Your definition of result is different to mine then. I want to write a
paper on my laptop. I don't need to see the thing typeset.

 This is the reason why I build the new installer! 

No, everything works for *you* already. There's no need to build a new
installer for that. You are building a new installer because you want
other people to benefit from your work. You think that you can create
something which improves on what exists currently.

That's laudable, but in my opinion you should aim to create something that
is uniformly better than the existing tool. Not better in some places and
worse in others.

 And what if other installers will
 need admin privileges too in future releases?

 That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.

 No it is my problem because my installer uses them! Angus, with all
 respect, have you ever tested my installer or looked in its code?

No and yes, in that order.

Look, with all due respect that's not the point. The point I'm trying to
get across is that your vision isn't the only one and, indeed, isn't
better or worse than, say, mine. However, if you create a flexible tool
then we all benefit. There's nothing conceptually difficult about an
installer that can do more if it has administrator privileges, nor does
such a beast have to result in much more work for you. It boils down to:

   if (is_admin)
 install_imagemagick
   else
 print can't install image magick without admin rights

-- 
Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

 Herbert == Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Herbert Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX
Herbert system and try to run LyX ... ;-)

You are supposed to be able to edit files without LaTeX installed. If
it does not work, there is a bug.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

 David == David L Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find
David being able to install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX
David is a good option. On my Zaurus, there is not only not enough
David room for TeX, there is no direct printer access, so just being
David able to edit documents, then move them to another computer to
David print, is fine. IMO there should be the option of using LyX
David without TeX.

I tried to do what is needed to make that work. If it does not work,
complain.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

- Original Message - 
From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Angus Leeming wrote:

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.

I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe.

;-) We aren't fundamentalists!

It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.

I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl. And what if other installers will 
need admin privileges too in future releases?

regards Uwe

Currently, a new LyX user can download and install all the
programs needed to make LyX 1.3.6 work. It defeats the
purpose of your installer if the current new user, such as
mamato, can pre-install workable helper programs but has to
turn to the Angus installer, which does not interfere with WinXP
limited user policy or network admin authority, to complete the job.

I mean if the install fails because of rights, then let it fail,
why make it fail? Add a line or two to the Readme about it.
Your method runs counter to open source and cross-porting ideals.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:

shrug
You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.
/shrug


There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe. It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies. The 
current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and 
to work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely 
remove programs via Windows Installed Applications list.


Lots and lots of stuff can be installed by a local user. It's more effort 
on the part of the installer writer, that's all.


Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Angus Leeming wrote:

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. 
If you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once 
again, Uwe.


;-) We aren't fundamentalists!


It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl. And what if other installers will 
need admin privileges too in future releases?


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

it mainly depends on which registry the install is trying to write to.

i have to agree with angus, there's no legitimate need for a word processor
to require admin level registry access. it's simply a user-level app...

thx angus for letting regular users use your installer ;)

mamato

On 11/28/05, Stephen Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/

No it doesn't. I regularly install at
J:\Program Files\LyX
without problems. Installing to
C:\Program Files
on WinXP certainly *does* require admin privileges.

Admin privileges have to do with the operating system.
Do you own the laptop? Then you should have admin rights.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl.


* LyX 1.4 won't need Perl.
* I see heaps of complaints to the Python devs about Python 2.4 requiring 
admin priviliges. Python 2.3 and below don't.

* MSYS doesn't need admin priviliges.
* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.
* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


It's perfectly reasonable to tell your user that some parts of the 
installation procedure need admin rights, for reasons outside of your 
control. If the installer is run by a non-admin then restrict what gets 
installed or enable the installer to upgrade itself to admin priviliges for 
those bits (presumably requires a password dialog).


And what if other installers will

need admin privileges too in future releases?


That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.

Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Angus Leeming wrote:


* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.


I never said this. But ImageMagick is of course required to run LyX. A 
wordprocessor is useless when no images can be processed.


* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


Hä? Run a program is not just starting it. If I run LyX I want to be 
able to get a result. This is the reason why I build the new installer!



And what if other installers will
need admin privileges too in future releases?


That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.


No it is my problem because my installer uses them! Angus, with all 
respect, have you ever tested my installer or looked in its code?

Please do so and you will probably understand my decision.
I don't say that admin privileges are definetively needed but for the 
moment I want to have a stable installer before working on this.
(Currently I have the problem that the Postscript delegation of the 
latest ImageMagick still fails and that the graphics conversion don't 
work when TeXLive is used.)


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-29 Thread Herbert Voss


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:


* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.



I never said this. But ImageMagick is of course required to run LyX. A 
wordprocessor is useless when no images can be processed.


there are a lot of other tools ...

* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
try to run LyX ... ;-)

(Currently I have the problem that the Postscript delegation of the 
latest ImageMagick still fails and that the graphics conversion don't 
work when TeXLive is used.)


ImagaMagick _always_ uses ghostscript when converting ps/eps/pdf files

Herbert

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


  admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.
 Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
 try to run LyX ... ;-)



being able to run lyx without latex is IMHO a good and useful thing!

i almost decided to go with that solution on my laptop from work because
latex was so heavy and i wasn't sure it would install without admin
privileges.

running lyx without latex would have allowed me to write my thesis anywhere
using the laptop. i'm in no hurry to print it and when i do need to print it
i can always latex it from my home computer or remotely over the net...

  mamato

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-29 Thread David L. Johnson

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:24:39 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
   admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.
  Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
  try to run LyX ... ;-)
 
 
 
 being able to run lyx without latex is IMHO a good and useful thing!

I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find being able to
install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX is a good option.  On my
Zaurus, there is not only not enough room for TeX, there is no direct printer
access, so just being able to edit documents, then move them to another
computer to print, is fine.  IMO there should be the option of using LyX
without TeX.

-- 

David L. Johnson

   __o   | Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and
 _`\(,_  | Excellence.  
(_)/ (_) |

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

- Original Message - 
From: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:

shrug
You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.
/shrug

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.

I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe. It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies. The 
current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.

A limited Win XP user can install all the helper apps. It doesn't make
sense for one installer to block LyX because of Admin rights; one can
just use the other installer. Suppose a parent has to take a six-week
business trip and wants to let his teenager install programs, but just not
eliminate the parent's programs. Why should the LyX installer eliminate
that option. On a network, the right to allow program installs or not
belongs to the sys/net admin policy adminstration, not a developer.
Because frequently, you have to ask a sysadmin to install a program
does not mean that _must_ be a rule enforced by a programmer.
The installer working this way is also not aligned with open source ideals.

But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and to 
work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely remove 
programs via Windows Installed Applications list.

Lots and lots of stuff can be installed by a local user. It's more effort 
on the part of the installer writer, that's all.

I think eliminating the Administrator group check and mentioning
in the Readme that Admin rights may be required is enough for LyX
will work as things are now without any extra effort. I could use
Add/Remove programs with LyX as a limited user; besides it says
from the Windows XP Program Files/ User Accounts :

Pick an Account Type
_   _
|_| Computer administrator  |_| Limited

With a limited account, you can:

*Change or remove your password
*Change your picture, theme, and other desktop settings
*View Files you created
*View Files in the Shared Documents Folder

Users with limited accounts cannot always install programs.

Depending on the program, a user might need administrator
privileges to install it.
Also, programs designed prior to Windows VP or Windows 2000
might not work properly with limited accounts. For best results,
choose programs bearing the Designed For Windows VP logo, or,
to run older programs, choose the
computer administrator account type.

SH: That seems like enough warning to me. Why should LyX require 
administrator privileges when MikTeX doesn't?!

Angus

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 Hä? Run a program is not just starting it. If I run LyX I want to be
 able to get a result.

Your definition of result is different to mine then. I want to write a
paper on my laptop. I don't need to see the thing typeset.

 This is the reason why I build the new installer! 

No, everything works for *you* already. There's no need to build a new
installer for that. You are building a new installer because you want
other people to benefit from your work. You think that you can create
something which improves on what exists currently.

That's laudable, but in my opinion you should aim to create something that
is uniformly better than the existing tool. Not better in some places and
worse in others.

 And what if other installers will
 need admin privileges too in future releases?

 That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.

 No it is my problem because my installer uses them! Angus, with all
 respect, have you ever tested my installer or looked in its code?

No and yes, in that order.

Look, with all due respect that's not the point. The point I'm trying to
get across is that your vision isn't the only one and, indeed, isn't
better or worse than, say, mine. However, if you create a flexible tool
then we all benefit. There's nothing conceptually difficult about an
installer that can do more if it has administrator privileges, nor does
such a beast have to result in much more work for you. It boils down to:

   if (is_admin)
 install_imagemagick
   else
 print can't install image magick without admin rights

-- 
Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

 Herbert == Herbert Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Herbert Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX
Herbert system and try to run LyX ... ;-)

You are supposed to be able to edit files without LaTeX installed. If
it does not work, there is a bug.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

 David == David L Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find
David being able to install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX
David is a good option. On my Zaurus, there is not only not enough
David room for TeX, there is no direct printer access, so just being
David able to edit documents, then move them to another computer to
David print, is fine. IMO there should be the option of using LyX
David without TeX.

I tried to do what is needed to make that work. If it does not work,
complain.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

- Original Message - 
From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Angus Leeming wrote:

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.

I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe.

;-) We aren't fundamentalists!

It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.

I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl. And what if other installers will 
need admin privileges too in future releases?

regards Uwe

Currently, a new LyX user can download and install all the
programs needed to make LyX 1.3.6 work. It defeats the
purpose of your installer if the current new user, such as
mamato, can pre-install workable helper programs but has to
turn to the Angus installer, which does not interfere with WinXP
limited user policy or network admin authority, to complete the job.

I mean if the install fails because of rights, then let it fail,
why make it fail? Add a line or two to the Readme about it.
Your method runs counter to open source and cross-porting ideals.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:


You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.



There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe. It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies. The 
current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and 
to work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely 
remove programs via Windows Installed Applications list.


Lots and lots of stuff can be installed by a local user. It's more effort 
on the part of the installer writer, that's all.


Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Angus Leeming wrote:

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. 
If you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once 
again, Uwe.


;-) We aren't fundamentalists!


It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl. And what if other installers will 
need admin privileges too in future releases?


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

it mainly depends on which registry the install is trying to write to.

- in many cases you can install software to your home directory without any
admin privileges because it uses the user registry and not the main
registry.
- sometimes it asks whether it should be installed for everyone (main
registry) or just the current user (user registry).
- sometimes it needs to use the main registry for legitimate reasons (need
low level access to drivers etc) or only bothers with the main registry and
then you can't do anything without admin privileges.

i have to agree with angus, there's no legitimate need for a word processor
to require admin level registry access. it's simply a user-level app...

thx angus for letting regular users use your installer ;)

mamato


On 11/28/05, Stephen Harris < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:57 AM
> Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)
>
>
> >
> > > argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/
> >
> > No it doesn't. I regularly install at
> >J:\Program Files\LyX
> > without problems. Installing to
> >C:\Program Files
> > on WinXP certainly *does* require admin privileges.
>
>
> i just tried again running
> LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exe<http://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exe
> >and
> before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i need
> administrator privileges.
>
> Admin privileges have to do with the operating system.
> Do you own the laptop? Then you should have admin rights.
>
> If you don't own the computer, then the rights are those
> given to you by the network administrator of the network.
> Ordinary users have few rights. If you own the laptop then
> you should login as a user with admin rights or create such
> an account. But you need the admin password to do that.
>
> The net admin can prevent you from installing Python2.4
> and allow winzip etc or allow both or prevent all, including
> certain websites, using email etc.etc. Also the complete
> install still accesses the internet which is why I suggested a cd.
> For instance, a public library can completely erase any change
> made by any user, when the next user logs in.
>
> It is not the LyX installer. Other programs, determined by
> the network admin, can also have the admin rights stipulation
> applied to them by the network admin. A beginning course
> in Windows covers this type of stuff. If you have an XP home
> computer, you can usually install LyX because the default
> for home computers is close to full rights. The Operating system
> is generating the error message in your situation, not the LyX
> installer. On a network, the admin dictates the extent of your rights.
>
> Regards,
> Stephen
>
>
> Regards,
> Stephen
>
>
>

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.


I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl.


* LyX 1.4 won't need Perl.
* I see heaps of complaints to the Python devs about Python 2.4 requiring 
admin priviliges. Python 2.3 and below don't.

* MSYS doesn't need admin priviliges.
* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.
* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


It's perfectly reasonable to tell your user that some parts of the 
installation procedure need admin rights, for reasons outside of your 
control. If the installer is run by a non-admin then restrict what gets 
installed or enable the installer to upgrade itself to admin priviliges for 
those bits (presumably requires a password dialog).


And what if other installers will

need admin privileges too in future releases?


That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.

Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)


Angus Leeming wrote:


* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.


I never said this. But ImageMagick is of course required to run LyX. A 
wordprocessor is useless when no images can be processed.


* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


Hä? "Run" a program is not just starting it. If I run LyX I want to be 
able to get a result. This is the reason why I build the new installer!



And what if other installers will
need admin privileges too in future releases?


That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.


No it is my problem because my installer uses them! Angus, with all 
respect, have you ever tested my installer or looked in its code?

Please do so and you will probably understand my decision.
I don't say that admin privileges are definetively needed but for the 
moment I want to have a stable installer before working on this.
(Currently I have the problem that the Postscript delegation of the 
latest ImageMagick still fails and that the graphics conversion don't 
work when TeXLive is used.)


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-29 Thread Herbert Voss


Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:


* You say ImageMagick does, but ImageMagick isn't *required* to run LyX.



I never said this. But ImageMagick is of course required to run LyX. A 
wordprocessor is useless when no images can be processed.


there are a lot of other tools ...

* There are certainly latex distributions out there that don't require 
admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.


Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
try to run LyX ... ;-)

(Currently I have the problem that the Postscript delegation of the 
latest ImageMagick still fails and that the graphics conversion don't 
work when TeXLive is used.)


ImagaMagick _always_ uses ghostscript when converting ps/eps/pdf files

Herbert

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

>
> >> admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.
> Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
> try to run LyX ... ;-)



being able to run lyx without latex is IMHO a good and useful thing!

i almost decided to go with that solution on my laptop from work because
latex was so heavy and i wasn't sure it would install without admin
privileges.

running lyx without latex would have allowed me to write my thesis anywhere
using the laptop. i'm in no hurry to print it and when i do need to print it
i can always latex it from my home computer or remotely over the net...

  mamato

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-29 Thread David L. Johnson

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:24:39 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >
> > >> admin priviliges. Again, you don't *need* latex installed to run LyX.
> > Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX system and
> > try to run LyX ... ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> being able to run lyx without latex is IMHO a good and useful thing!

I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find being able to
install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX is a good option.  On my
Zaurus, there is not only not enough room for TeX, there is no direct printer
access, so just being able to edit documents, then move them to another
computer to print, is fine.  IMO there should be the option of using LyX
without TeX.

-- 

David L. Johnson

   __o   | Enron's slogan: Respect, Communication, Integrity, and
 _`\(,_  | Excellence.  
(_)/ (_) |

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

- Original Message - 
From: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Angus Leeming wrote:

You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.

I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe. It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies. The 
current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.

A limited Win XP user can install all the helper apps. It doesn't make
sense for one installer to block LyX because of Admin rights; one can
just use the other installer. Suppose a parent has to take a six-week
business trip and wants to let his teenager install programs, but just not
eliminate the parent's programs. Why should the LyX installer eliminate
that option. On a network, the right to allow program installs or not
belongs to the sys/net admin policy adminstration, not a developer.
Because frequently, you have to ask a sysadmin to install a program
does not mean that _must_ be a rule enforced by a programmer.
The installer working this way is also not aligned with open source ideals.

But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and to 
work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely remove 
programs via Windows Installed Applications list.

Lots and lots of stuff can be installed by a local user. It's more effort 
on the part of the installer writer, that's all.

I think eliminating the Administrator group check and mentioning
in the Readme that Admin rights may be required is enough for LyX
will work as things are now without any extra effort. I could use
Add/Remove programs with LyX as a limited user; besides it says
from the Windows XP Program Files/ User Accounts :

"Pick an Account Type
_   _
|_| Computer administrator  |_| Limited

With a limited account, you can:

*Change or remove your password
*Change your picture, theme, and other desktop settings
*View Files you created
*View Files in the Shared Documents Folder

Users with limited accounts cannot always install programs.

Depending on the program, a user might need administrator
privileges to install it.
Also, programs designed prior to Windows VP or Windows 2000
might not work properly with limited accounts. For best results,
choose programs bearing the Designed For Windows VP logo, or,
to run older programs, choose the
"computer administrator account type."

SH: That seems like enough warning to me. Why should LyX require 
administrator privileges when MikTeX doesn't?!

Angus

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Hä? "Run" a program is not just starting it. If I run LyX I want to be
> able to get a result.

Your definition of "result" is different to mine then. I want to write a
paper on my laptop. I don't need to see the thing typeset.

> This is the reason why I build the new installer! 

No, everything works for *you* already. There's no need to build a new
installer for that. You are building a new installer because you want
other people to benefit from your work. You think that you can create
something which improves on what exists currently.

That's laudable, but in my opinion you should aim to create something that
is uniformly better than the existing tool. Not better in some places and
worse in others.

>>> And what if other installers will
>>> need admin privileges too in future releases?

>> That's their problem. It's not something you should be concerned about.

> No it is my problem because my installer uses them! Angus, with all
> respect, have you ever tested my installer or looked in its code?

No and yes, in that order.

Look, with all due respect that's not the point. The point I'm trying to
get across is that your vision isn't the only one and, indeed, isn't
better or worse than, say, mine. However, if you create a flexible tool
then we all benefit. There's nothing conceptually difficult about an
installer that can do more if it has administrator privileges, nor does
such a beast have to result in much more work for you. It boils down to:

   if (is_admin)
 install_imagemagick
   else
 print "can't install image magick without admin rights"

-- 
Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

> "Herbert" == Herbert Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Herbert> Angus, then try to install LyX without an installed TeX
Herbert> system and try to run LyX ... ;-)

You are supposed to be able to edit files without LaTeX installed. If
it does not work, there is a bug.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

> "David" == David L Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> I don't want to get too involved in the debate, but I also find
David> being able to install lyx on a computer that does not have TeX
David> is a good option. On my Zaurus, there is not only not enough
David> room for TeX, there is no direct printer access, so just being
David> able to edit documents, then move them to another computer to
David> print, is fine. IMO there should be the option of using LyX
David> without TeX.

I tried to do what is needed to make that work. If it does not work,
complain.

JMarc

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

- Original Message - 
From: "Uwe Stöhr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Angus Leeming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Angus Leeming wrote:

There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.

I'm afraid we're going to just have to disagree fundamentally once again, 
Uwe.

;-) We aren't fundamentalists!

It's not the installer's business to enforce such policies.
The current installer runs without admin priviliges; so should yours.

I tried it but there were too many problems to cover all specialities of 
the third-party programs. If the user has admin privileges I can assure 
that it works on every Win2k and WinXP-installation.
And also when the user uses your installer he needs admin privileges to 
install for example the latest Perl. And what if other installers will 
need admin privileges too in future releases?

regards Uwe

Currently, a new LyX user can download and install all the
programs needed to make LyX 1.3.6 work. It defeats the
purpose of your installer if the current new user, such as
mamato, can pre-install workable helper programs but has to
turn to the Angus installer, which does not interfere with WinXP
limited user policy or network admin authority, to complete the job.

I mean if the install fails because of rights, then let it fail,
why make it fail? Add a line or two to the Readme about it.
Your method runs counter to open source and cross-porting ideals.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/

No it doesn't. I regularly install at
   J:\Program Files\LyX
without problems. Installing to
   C:\Program Files
on WinXP certainly *does* require admin privileges.

 i managed to install it using the LyX 1.3.6 installer after
 installing minsys and python 2.3 (2.4 requires admin privileges :/)

Not our problsm then...

 i'll try to install miktex and gs tomorrow. once i've installed
 them, i can simply add the directories in the preferences and
 reconfigure?

What directories?

 another annoying thing is the dialog boxes used by winlyx to
 open/save files. it's old school drive:\dir and my work laptop has
 that weird setup for network syncing where my home directory is a
 network dir (\\server\...) synced locally as My Documents. since the
 widget doesnt recognize shortcut links i have no way to access my
 home directory.

shrugWe use whatever the Qt toolkit gives us here I'm
afraid.\shrug

You might try http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX137pre which fixes a
bunch of bugs in LyX 1.3.6. I've no idea whether that'd cure this
particular problem.

 concerning printing notes (previous message), i'll try to see if
 it's possible to create a new flagged environment like in latex...
 do i just use ERT or is there an nicer way to do it?

I think that the best you can do is either to add stuff like:

ert\begin{comment}\ert
your note contents.
ert\end{comment}\ert

to your LyX document, or to derive a new document class from
article.layout and to add a Comment environment that wraps your note
with the latex magic.

Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread mamato

argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/

No it doesn't. I regularly install at
J:\Program Files\LyX
without problems. Installing to
C:\Program Files
on WinXP certainly *does* require admin privileges.

i just tried again running
LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exehttp://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exeand
before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i need
administrator privileges.

i managed to install it using the LyX 1.3.6 installer after
installing minsys and python 2.3 (2.4 requires admin privileges :/)

Not our problsm then...

fair, i'll go complain to python list ;)

i'll try to install miktex and gs tomorrow. once i've installed
them, i can simply add the directories in the preferences and
reconfigure?

What directories?

i guess my question was: if i add the latex and yap bin directories to the
PATH option in the preferences and reconfigure, will i then be able to
view dvi and export pdf (i currently dont have these options since i said
do not install because i wasn't able to install them at the time).

i guess i'll try and see and reinstall lyx if necessary.

another annoying thing is the dialog boxes used by winlyx to
open/save files. it's old school drive:\dir and my work laptop has
that weird setup for network syncing where my home directory is a
network dir (\\server\...) synced locally as My Documents. since the
widget doesnt recognize shortcut links i have no way to access my
home directory.

shrugWe use whatever the Qt toolkit gives us here I'm
afraid.\shrug

You might try http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX137pre which fixes a
bunch of bugs in LyX 1.3.6. I've no idea whether that'd cure this
particular problem.

thx for the tip, i'll try it and complain to some qt mailing list if
appropriate ;)

concerning printing notes (previous message), i'll try to see if
it's possible to create a new flagged environment like in latex...
do i just use ERT or is there an nicer way to do it?

I think that the best you can do is either to add stuff like:

ert\begin{comment}\ert
your note contents.
ert\end{comment}\ert

to your LyX document, or to derive a new document class from
article.layout and to add a Comment environment that wraps your note
with the latex magic.

nice, i'll look into deriving my own layout when i get a chance

mamato

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i just tried again running

LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exehttp://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exeand
 before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i need
 administrator privileges.

Not my installer. Bug reports to Uwe Stöhr please.

 another annoying thing is the dialog boxes used by winlyx to
  open/save files. it's old school drive:\dir and my work laptop
  has that weird setup for network syncing where my home directory
  is a network dir (\\server\...) synced locally as My Documents.
  since the widget doesnt recognize shortcut links i have no way to
  access my home directory.

 shrugWe use whatever the Qt toolkit gives us here I'm
 afraid.\shrug

 You might try http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyX137pre which fixes a
 bunch of bugs in LyX 1.3.6. I've no idea whether that'd cure this
 particular problem.

 thx for the tip, i'll try it and complain to some qt mailing list if
 appropriate ;)

It isn't. Qt/Win Free is a fork of Trolltech's GPL-licenced Qt3/Unix
that has been hacked by volunteers to run on Windows. It's nothing to
do with Trolltech. The people to complain to are
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtwin

Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Paul A. Rubin


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



another annoying thing is the dialog boxes used by winlyx to open/save
files. it's old school drive:\dir and my work laptop has that weird setup
for network syncing where my home directory is a network dir (\\server\...)
synced locally as My Documents. since the widget doesnt recognize shortcut
links i have no way to access my home directory.



What about mapping a drive letter to \\server\...?  Or (from a DOS 
shell), what about 'subst z:\ \\server\...'?


Paul

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread mamato

nice thx! does work...



On 11/28/05, Paul A. Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  another annoying thing is the dialog boxes used by winlyx to open/save
  files. it's old school drive:\dir and my work laptop has that weird
 setup
  for network syncing where my home directory is a network dir
 (\\server\...)
  synced locally as My Documents. since the widget doesnt recognize
 shortcut
  links i have no way to access my home directory.
 

 What about mapping a drive letter to \\server\...?  Or (from a DOS
 shell), what about 'subst z:\ \\server\...'?

 Paul

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr


[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:


argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/


i just tried again running
LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exehttp://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exeand
before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i need
administrator privileges.


Yes it requires admin privileges. This is described in the Readme-files 
and on the startpage of the installer.
Admin privileges are necessary to assure that all thirdparty programs 
(ImageMagick etc.) can be installed and that the registry can be modified.


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

Uwe Stöhr wrote:
 http://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exe
 and before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i
 need administrator privileges.

 Yes it requires admin privileges. This is described in the Readme-files
 and on the startpage of the installer.
 Admin privileges are necessary to assure that all thirdparty programs
 (ImageMagick etc.) can be installed and that the registry can be
 modified.

shrug
You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.
/shrug

If you're going to all this effort you should try and make the thing smart
too ;-) In fact, isn't that what I do already?

-- 
Angus

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen Harris

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:59 AM
Subject: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/

i managed to install it using the LyX 1.3.6 installer after installing
minsys and python 2.3 (2.4 requires admin privileges :/)

i'll try to install miktex and gs tomorrow. once i've installed them, i can
simply add the directories in the preferences and reconfigure?

SH: The best way to do this is have your helper applications 
installed before you install LyX, so that LyX just recognizes them.

You might have trouble installing Miktex if you are behind
a network firewall. I haven't tried it. If you have trouble, try
downloading the Miktex cd and installing from the cdrom,
rather than using an internet connection. There is also software
to extract cd images to your harddrive, and then install from
there. Normally, if you install the helper apps after LyX, you
need to run Edit--Reconfigure, close and then open LyX.

Installing any new program can be controlled by the Network
Admin; they can set a policy to prohibit it. Sometimes you
can boot up your laptop using your personal settings/profile.

This information may benefit others if not you.

This is for people with laptops who have to change
their network settings from home to office to maybe
network gaming at a friends house. I think 4 profiles 
can be chosen. http://www.iljaherlein.de/netsetman/

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen Harris

- Original Message - 
From: Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:

argh!! LyXWinInstaller requires admin privileges :/

i just tried again running
LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exehttp://download.berlios.de/lyxwininstall/LyXWin136Complete-0-4.exeand
before anything else (ex specifying directory), it says that i need
administrator privileges.

Yes it requires admin privileges. This is described in the Readme-files 
and on the startpage of the installer.
Admin privileges are necessary to assure that all thirdparty programs 
(ImageMagick etc.) can be installed and that the registry can be modified.

regards Uwe

I may have understood this incorrectly. Admin privileges are
sufficient to change the admin password. On a network, can't
other groups that can write to the registry be created? I ask
because mamato is on a network, and before, John Kane who
was on a network installed LyX and helpers. I don't think they
give out the admin password to even high-level users. Or do
you mean LyX checks to see if the user is logged on as a
member of the admin group with complete rights? Or do you
mean you it is enough to be able to write to the registry?

BTW, that graphic that apparently displays rotated 90 degrees
in Mac OS X, displays OK in Windows. The eps file also
opens (in Illustrator) correctly displayed. Apparently this is
just a Linux thing.

Regards,
Stephen

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr


Angus Leeming wrote:


shrug
You can modify the registry without admin priviliges as HKCU rather than
HKLM.
/shrug


There are reasons that not every user is allowed to install programs. If 
you don't have admin privileges your employer knows in most cases why.


But anyway, HKLM is needed to get all third-party programs running and 
to work together. You also need it to be able to modify or completely 
remove programs via Windows Installed Applications list.


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)

2005-11-28 Thread Uwe Stöhr


Stephen Harris wrote:


I may have understood this incorrectly. Admin privileges are
sufficient to change the admin password. On a network, can't
other groups that can write to the registry be created? I ask
because mamato is on a network, and before, John Kane who
was on a network installed LyX and helpers.


I also don't always have an admin password when I'm at work. In this 
cases I need the admin to come to me, log in and install a program. When 
he installs it he agrees to the program so that nobody can stress me 
later that I installed something without asking.



Or do
you mean LyX checks to see if the user is logged on as a
member of the admin group with complete rights?


The installer checks if the user who starts it is in the administrator 
member list of the computer.


---

Stephen, have you checked if the pdf export problem with TeXLive is 
fixed when you use ps2pdf instead of epstopdf?


regards Uwe

Re: lyx on windows (and printing notes)