Re: kerning and accented characters

[Helge Hafting]

On 06. mars 2012 16:12, Csikos Bela wrote:

Hello:

Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it looks 
very ugly.
See the attached lyx and pdf files.


LyX follows the kerning in the font file. So the best advice is to get a 
font that has proper kerning.


Unfortunately, many (cheap) fonts are kerned for A-Za-z,
accented letters are provided but not kerned.

So either buy a professional font, or get some software tools
and modify your free/cheap fonts.

One could, for example, take all the kernings involving a
and apply them to á too. It might work, but for some fonts,
Tá might have the T crash into the accent if it is kerned like Ta.

Helge Hafting, wishing there were a fj ligature similar to fi

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Helge Hafting]

On 06. mars 2012 16:12, Csikos Bela wrote:

Hello:

Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it looks 
very ugly.
See the attached lyx and pdf files.


LyX follows the kerning in the font file. So the best advice is to get a 
font that has proper kerning.


Unfortunately, many (cheap) fonts are kerned for A-Za-z,
accented letters are provided but not kerned.

So either buy a professional font, or get some software tools
and modify your free/cheap fonts.

One could, for example, take all the kernings involving a
and apply them to á too. It might work, but for some fonts,
Tá might have the T crash into the accent if it is kerned like Ta.

Helge Hafting, wishing there were a fj ligature similar to fi

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Helge Hafting]

On 06. mars 2012 16:12, Csikos Bela wrote:

Hello:

Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it looks 
very ugly.
See the attached lyx and pdf files.


LyX follows the kerning in the font file. So the best advice is to get a 
font that has proper kerning.


Unfortunately, many (cheap) fonts are kerned for A-Za-z,
accented letters are provided but not kerned.

So either buy a professional font, or get some software tools
and modify your free/cheap fonts.

One could, for example, take all the kernings involving "a"
and apply them to "á" too. It might work, but for some fonts,
"Tá" might have the T crash into the accent if it is kerned like "Ta".

Helge Hafting, wishing there were a "fj" ligature similar to "fi"

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Csikos Bela]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
Csikos Bela wrote:
 Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
 For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it
 looks very ugly. See the attached lyx and pdf files.
 I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the
 characters but how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence
 of such character pairs?

This looks like a problem in the kerning tables of the fonts. It seems to me 
that LatinModern does a better job at kerning these character pairs.

Fixing the kerning is difficult, see
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10455/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-kerning-
for-a-specific-character-combination

If you need this specific font, you could define a macro such as
\newcommand\myve{V\kern-1pt é}
Where you fix the kerning for specific pairs (and sizes). A crude hack, I 
know.

You might also check the TeXGyre Pagella font instead of Palatino. Pagella is 
a Palatino clone from the LatinModern makers.
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/pagella


Thank Jürgen.
I tried several fonts available in my latex installation but none of them
looks  correct.
Unfortunately I don't know how to add a font to my my latex font pool.
I looked at the relevant latex documents but I had no time yet to go
through them. 

Thanks again,

bcsikos

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Csikos Bela]

Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org írta:
Csikos Bela wrote:
 Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
 For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it
 looks very ugly. See the attached lyx and pdf files.
 I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the
 characters but how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence
 of such character pairs?

This looks like a problem in the kerning tables of the fonts. It seems to me 
that LatinModern does a better job at kerning these character pairs.

Fixing the kerning is difficult, see
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10455/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-kerning-
for-a-specific-character-combination

If you need this specific font, you could define a macro such as
\newcommand\myve{V\kern-1pt é}
Where you fix the kerning for specific pairs (and sizes). A crude hack, I 
know.

You might also check the TeXGyre Pagella font instead of Palatino. Pagella is 
a Palatino clone from the LatinModern makers.
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/pagella


Thank Jürgen.
I tried several fonts available in my latex installation but none of them
looks  correct.
Unfortunately I don't know how to add a font to my my latex font pool.
I looked at the relevant latex documents but I had no time yet to go
through them. 

Thanks again,

bcsikos

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Csikos Bela]

"Jürgen Spitzmüller"  írta:
>Csikos Bela wrote:>
> Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.>
> For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it>
> looks very ugly. See the attached lyx and pdf files.>
> I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the>
> characters but how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence>
> of such character pairs?>
>
This looks like a problem in the kerning tables of the fonts. It seems to me >
that LatinModern does a better job at kerning these character pairs.>
>
Fixing the kerning is difficult, see>
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10455/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-kerning->
for-a-specific-character-combination>
>
If you need this specific font, you could define a macro such as>
\newcommand\myve{V\kern-1pt é}>
Where you fix the kerning for specific pairs (and sizes). A crude hack, I >
know.>
>
You might also check the TeXGyre Pagella font instead of Palatino. Pagella is >
a Palatino clone from the LatinModern makers.>
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/pagella>


Thank Jürgen.
I tried several fonts available in my latex installation but none of them
looks  correct.
Unfortunately I don't know how to add a font to my my latex font pool.
I looked at the relevant latex documents but I had no time yet to go
through them. 

Thanks again,

bcsikos

kerning and accented characters

[Csikos Bela]

Hello:

Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it looks 
very ugly.
See the attached lyx and pdf files.
I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the 
characters but
how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence of such character 
pairs?

Thanks,

bcsikos


kerning-accented-characters.lyx
Description: Binary data


kerning-accented-characters.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Csikos Bela wrote:
 Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
 For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it
 looks very ugly. See the attached lyx and pdf files.
 I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the
 characters but how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence
 of such character pairs?

This looks like a problem in the kerning tables of the fonts. It seems to me 
that LatinModern does a better job at kerning these character pairs.

Fixing the kerning is difficult, see
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10455/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-kerning-
for-a-specific-character-combination

If you need this specific font, you could define a macro such as
\newcommand\myve{V\kern-1pt é}
Where you fix the kerning for specific pairs (and sizes). A crude hack, I 
know.

You might also check the TeXGyre Pagella font instead of Palatino. Pagella is 
a Palatino clone from the LatinModern makers.
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/pagella

HTH
Jürgen

kerning and accented characters

[Csikos Bela]

Hello:

Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it looks 
very ugly.
See the attached lyx and pdf files.
I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the 
characters but
how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence of such character 
pairs?

Thanks,

bcsikos


kerning-accented-characters.lyx
Description: Binary data


kerning-accented-characters.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Csikos Bela wrote:
 Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
 For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it
 looks very ugly. See the attached lyx and pdf files.
 I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the
 characters but how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence
 of such character pairs?

This looks like a problem in the kerning tables of the fonts. It seems to me 
that LatinModern does a better job at kerning these character pairs.

Fixing the kerning is difficult, see
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10455/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-kerning-
for-a-specific-character-combination

If you need this specific font, you could define a macro such as
\newcommand\myve{V\kern-1pt é}
Where you fix the kerning for specific pairs (and sizes). A crude hack, I 
know.

You might also check the TeXGyre Pagella font instead of Palatino. Pagella is 
a Palatino clone from the LatinModern makers.
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/pagella

HTH
Jürgen

kerning and accented characters

[Csikos Bela]

Hello:

Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it looks 
very ugly.
See the attached lyx and pdf files.
I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the 
characters but
how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence of such character 
pairs?

Thanks,

bcsikos


kerning-accented-characters.lyx
Description: Binary data


kerning-accented-characters.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: kerning and accented characters

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Csikos Bela wrote:
> Certain character pairs look very ugly in lyx/latex output.
> For example if V is followed by Hungarian accented a or e (ie. á or é) it
> looks very ugly. See the attached lyx and pdf files.
> I know that I could use \kerning command to adjust the distance between the
> characters but how could I avoid inserting the command at every occurrence
> of such character pairs?

This looks like a problem in the kerning tables of the fonts. It seems to me 
that LatinModern does a better job at kerning these character pairs.

Fixing the kerning is difficult, see
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/10455/is-there-a-way-to-adjust-kerning-
for-a-specific-character-combination

If you need this specific font, you could define a macro such as
\newcommand\myve{V\kern-1pt é}
Where you fix the kerning for specific pairs (and sizes). A crude hack, I 
know.

You might also check the TeXGyre Pagella font instead of Palatino. Pagella is 
a Palatino clone from the LatinModern makers.
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/pagella

HTH
Jürgen